Re: [Biofuel] We Need To Solve The Oil Crisis--Now

[Mike Weaver]

I have a 2002 Golf: on a flat road at 1850 rpm or about 59 mph, it gets 
close to 60 mpg.  On I 95 in the US, where it is impossible to go less than
70 mph without being killed by a trucker, the mileage drops into the 
high 40's, at 80 or so, into the low 40's.

If I had another gear (6th) I think it would do better.

-Mike

Brian Schneider wrote:

>Well,
>I happen to drive a VW Jetta TDI that does get good fuel milage.  I  
>consistently get between 45 and 49 mpg and can go over 600 miles per  
>tank of fuel.  But I do notice that my milage does drop a little when  
>I am on the interstate driving the speed limit or better (to keep up  
>with traffic) as compared to when I am on the back roads doing 55.
>Brian
>On Apr 24, 2008, at 6:33 PM, Perry Jones wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Then mandate higher fuel efficiency in vehicles.  Oh, I know, put the
>>onus on the
>>victims as has been done throughout history.  What do you drive?  What
>>is your
>>fuel efficiency at 30 mph?  When it matches mine at 75 mph then  
>>talk to me.
>>Otherwise, this ain't one of the solutions.
>>Perry Jones
>>
>>
>>Brian Schneider wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>So then what would be the suggestion?  Sometimes laws are necessary
>>>to help or protect those who can't or won't do it them selves.
>>>If on a national level if lowering the speed limit 10 to 15 mph would
>>>help decrease our dependance on foreign oil or any oil for that
>>>matter then it should be addressed regardless of how popular or
>>>unpopular it is.
>>>Granted there are some laws that are nonsense, but they are necessary
>>>because without most of them there would be utter chaos.
>>>Brian
>>>On Apr 24, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Chip Mefford wrote:
>>>
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Re: [Biofuel] This Company May Be the Biggest Threat to Your Future Health

[Mike Weaver]

Mother Jones, Utne Reader...

Keith Addison wrote:

>Hi Chip
>
>  
>
>>Keith Addison wrote:
>>
>>
   Sources:
Vanity Fair May 2008


>>Just a comment/observation;
>>
>>I've been reading Vanity Fair on and off for
>>a few decades.
>>
>>Why is their reporting -when the decide to
>>report on something- so staggeringly superior to
>>anything else we get here in the US?
>>
>>has anyone else noticed this?
>>
>>
>
>Yes, but not only Vanity Fair, a few others too, occasionally - 
>Harpers, New Yorker, eg. Good American journalism, a real pleasure to 
>read. It sure stands out by comparison, especially these days.
>
>PR Watch ran a piece titled "Media Deathwatch" 10 days ago:
>
>  
>
>> ...newspapers are feeling even more heat, according to Eric 
>>Alterman. "Independent, publicly traded American newspapers have 
>>lost forty-two per cent of their market value in the past three 
>>years," he writes. "Most managers in the industry have reacted to 
>>the collapse of their business model with a spiral of budget cuts, 
>>bureau closings, buyouts, layoffs, and reductions in page size and 
>>column inches. Since 1990, a quarter of all American newspaper jobs 
>>have disappeared." Alterman worries that the decline of traditional 
>>media and the rise of citizen journalism are creating "a fractured, 
>>chaotic world of news, characterized by superior community 
>>conversation but a decidedly diminished level of first-rate 
>>journalism."
>>
>>
>http://www.prwatch.org/node/7187
>
>This is Alterman's article, in the New Yorker, worth a read.
>
>Out Of Print - The death and life of the American newspaper.
>by Eric Alterman
>MARCH 31, 2008
>
>
>The US mainstream media have certainly disgraced themselves in the 
>last few years.
>
>And here's a nice bit of confusion for you:
>
>Americans slam news media on believability - SACRED HEART UNIVERSITY 
>NEWS January 8, 2008
>Americans see:
>* Growing media attempts to influence public opinion and policies
>* Poor quality
>* A strong liberal bent in most media
>* Fox News, CNN and NBC as the most accurate
>
>
>LOL! Dunno whether to laugh or cry... They say people get the 
>government they deserve. I think maybe they get the newspapers they 
>deserve too.
>
>:-(
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
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Re: [Biofuel] SCHOOL 1967 vs. 2007]

[Mike Weaver]

Ritalin is an upper, not a sedative. 

Kirk McLoren wrote:

> 
>  
>  SCHOOL 1967 vs. 2007 
>  
>  
>Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking 
>lot with shotgun in gun rack. 
>
>1967 - Vice principal comes over to look at Jack's shotgun. He goes to his 
>car and gets his shotgun to show Jack. 
>2007 - School goes into lock down, and FBI is called. Jack is hauled off to 
>jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for 
>traumatized students and teachers. 
>  
>  
>Scenario: Johnny and M! ark get into a fistfight after school. 
>  
>1967 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up 
>best friends. 
>2007 - Police called. SWAT team arrives. Johnny and Mark are arrested and 
>charged with assault. Both are expelled even though Johnny started it. 
>  
>  
>Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students. 
>
>1967 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the principal. 
>He returns to class, sits still, and does not disrupt class again. 
>2007 - Jeffrey is diagnosed with ADD and given huge doses of ritalin. 
>Becomes a zombie. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a 
>learning disability. 
>  
>  
>Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his dad gives 
>him a whipping with his belt. 
>
>1967 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, 
>and becomes a successful businessman. 
>2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is placed in foster 
>care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she 
>remembers being abused herself, and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom 
>has affair with psychologist. 
>  
>  
>Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school. 
>
>1967 - Mark shares aspirin with principal out on the smoking dock. 
>2007 - Police called. Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. Car 
>is searched for drugs and weapons. 
>  
>
>Scenario: Pedro fails high school English. 
>
>1967 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college. 
>2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear 
>nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation 
>is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and 
>Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro is 
>given a diploma anyway, but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he 
>cannot speak English. 
>  
>  
>Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July, puts 
>them in a model airplane paint bottle, and blows up a red ant bed. 
>
>1967 - Ants die. 
>2007 - Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Homeland Security, and FBI 
>called. Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. The FBI investigates 
>parents; siblings are removed from home; computers confiscated Johnny's dad 
>goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again. 
>  
>  
>Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He 
>is found crying by his teacher, Heather. Heather hugs him to comfort him. 
>
>1967 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing. 
>2007 - Heather is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She 
>faces three years in state prison. Johnny undergoes five years of therapy. 
>  
>  
>Go figure. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] In other news. Milk labelling controvery in US

[Mike Weaver]

I happen to like pus...ever google "somatic cell count + milk"? ;-)


Chip Mefford wrote:

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
>
>>I have  a raw milk dairy in massachusettes, i wouldn't waste my time or money 
>>on calling it organic, 
>>if i did i may wake up one day and find i'm out of buisness . Eventually the 
>>public is going to figure 
>>out that corporate america has turned ORGANIC into another marketing gimmick. 
>>when you come to my 
>>farm you can see what the cows are eating, and you can see how they are 
>>eating it, and if you don't 
>>like what you see, go 5 miles down the road and get some organic milk at 
>>walmart. 
>>
>>
>
>Right on!
>
>The public is figuring it out. A lot of folks are still sketchy on raw
>milk. (as opposed to whole milk). On the other hand, as I tend to split
>my time between Pa, WV, and Va, neighbors of mine in the little town
>where I live, in WV, know when I'm going to Pa, and have me shuttle them
>raw milk when I can. We can't get raw (bovine) milk in WV commercially,
>and I think it's against the rules in Va as well.
>
>Yes, I am adding a fuel load, but it's a fuel load that's spent anyway.
>
>A nice motto from a dairy I know up in Michigan,
>
>"Our cows are not on drugs,
>  But they are on grass".
>
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Re: [Biofuel] October 77% OFF

[Mike Weaver]

 >> is like having sex with a blow-up doll.

There's no need to get personal.

Let's leave sexual preferences out of this, eh?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>LOL.  I think not.
>
>:-) I also think not.
>
>Here's a case though, about Dick Cheney, I can't figure out if it's
>negative growth or positive growth:
>
>... "Birds raised for canned hunts at gun clubs and in state
>"recreational" areas are grown in packed pens -- think factory farmed
>chickens -- and fitted with goggles so they won't peck each other to death
>from the crowding.
>
>"When released for put and take hunters like Cheney, pen raised birds can
>barely walk or fly -- or see, thanks to the goggles. They don't know how
>to forage or hide in the wild and sometimes have to be kicked to "fly"
>enough to be shot.
>
>"Some hunters say shooting the pellet-ready tame animals, which offer no
>resistance, is like having sex with a blow-up doll.
>
>"But others say hunting itself is like sex with a blow-up doll and that
>the 10 percent decline in hunters seen in the United States since the late
>'90s -- from 14 million to about 12.5 million -- coincides exactly with
>the debut of impotence drugs like Viagra.
>
>"Still for the veep to pursue his addiction to the "programmed massacre of
>scores of tame, pen-raised birds" despite all the "negative publicity it
>has generated for him" suggests a deep psychological disorder, writes
>Gerald Schiller in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
>
>"Especially since criminologists have long recognized that premeditated,
>sadistic treatment of animals is a strong predictor of criminal and
>homicidal violence."
>
>-- Dick Cheney's Sadistic Passion for Shooting Tame Animals
>By Martha Rosenberg, AlterNet, November 14, 2007
>http://www.alternet.org/story/67663/
>
>Heh...
>
>Then there was this...
>
>"I've always thought Cheney was way out there - the most Voldemort-like
>official I've run across." -- Maureen Dowd, "A Vice President Without
>Borders, Bordering on Lunacy", The New York Times Sunday 24 June 2007
>http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/062407F.shtml
>
>And now you can buy "Cheney Voldemort 08" bumper stickers. Not to mention
>Waldemart. Voldemortising is definitely headed for sustained growth, if
>not big game budgerigar hunting.
>
>Way to go to try to bring it back on topic though...
>
>Erm, yes, sorry.
>
>Anyway it's just an empty virus, the virus itself got scrubbed, and the
>message didn't make it to the archives, no real harm done. Can't keep them
>all out or the list gets difficult to use.
>
>So what sort of growth is sustainable? Apart from the organic veggies
>people grow in their gardens and so on. Well that too, all very much
>on-topic.
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>Z
>
>On Dec 4, 2007 4:22 PM, David Penfold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Is such growth sustainable?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] The great Iraqi swindle

[Mike Weaver]

*"And we keep getting richer but we can't get our picture
On the cover of the Rolling Stone"

-Dr Hook
*
Kirk McLoren wrote:

>  
>
>As long as we're there, spreading freedom, the heist of the taxpayer 
> will continue.
>  GW Bush believes that contractors have an inalienable right to steal our 
> money.
>   
>  http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/16076312/the_great_iraq_swindle
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Re: [Biofuel] Don't let's be beastly to the Germans

[Mike Weaver]

ards to my own previous bloviations; you have my 
apologies for laying into you so harshly.  Looking at the original post, 
I clearly made an error in assuming the line "Ahmadinejad's Holocaust 
Problems are My Holocaust Problems " was yours.  I see now that it was 
the original author's.   But I will say I didn't really see the point in 
posting the piece in the first place - you're clearly able to string 
words and thoughts together - a few minute's research and you could have 
debunked it yourself.

And finally, thank you for your gracious invitation; next time I make it 
to the Southern Hemisphere we can hoist a few and no doubt settle the 
Middle East question in record time.

Best regards,

Mike Weaver





Bob Molloy wrote:

>Hi Mike,
>Greetings and felicitations from Godzone. Loved your Noel
>Coward piece. Wasn't he the bloke who also bracketed mad dogs and
>Englishmen? Hmmm, perhaps we're dealing with satire here. Not the best basis
>for clarity in any discussion.
>
>Re points 18-20 of Santomauro's article: they boil down to a single issue -
>that the word "holocaust" (originally meaning major destruction by fire) has
>been expropriated to serve a single meaning: the Shoah or mass murder of
>European Jewry by the Nazis (note: I didn't say the Germans) between 1936
>and 1945.
>Hence mention of the Holocaust (note: I didn't use the correct word "Shoah"
>because it is meaningless to most people) evokes emotions of both sympathy
>and guilt in non-Jewish western communities. Such emotions can be, and are,
>focused for political purposes.
>
>Among them is the need by Zionists (note: I did not say Jews, there is a
>very clear difference) to cover their crimes and misdeeds in the Middle
>East, not least being the Nakba or genocide of Palistinians and
>expropriation of their property during and after the formation of the
>present State of Israel, and also the ongoing war of attrition in which
>thousands of Palestinians and Lebanese have lost their lives.
>Such crimes, if committed by any other nation, would bring major world
>condemnation if not actual military intervention as in the case of Serbia.
>
>Thus the holocaust is the notional hairshirt, the red herring if you like,
>which serves to keep the non-Jewish westerner in a state of unease and
>indecision when he or she dares to question Zionist politics or their
>criminally insane foreign policy. In brief: the Holocaust and criticism of
>Zionism are conflated into a single issue so that the emotions generated by
>the one serve to cover the crimes of the other.
>The second and perhaps most succesful part of this semantic sleight of hand
>is that criticism of Zionism is then seen as rejection of Judaism or
>anti-semitism. Of course, once you have released the anti-semitism beast
>into any debate all logical discussion comes to a halt.
>
>Recommended background reading: "My Israel Question" by Anthony Loewenstein,
>Melbourne University Press, 2006. Also - if you have a strong stomach -
>Google "Nakba" and read the first few entries. Then Google "B'Tselem", the
>Jewish (note, I didn't say Zionist) peace group located in Tel Aviv. That
>should keep you  queasily reading for a least a month, after which we can
>talk about Noel Coward - a subject easier to digest.
>
>Alternately come and visit me here in the stunning Bay of Islands where if I
>turn off my computer, throw the telly out of the window, stop all the
>papers, toss a few rods and some beers into the boat, and raise sail I can
>truly believe we live in Paradise.
>
>Best wishes Mike,
>Bob.
>
>
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>- Original Message -
>From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:31 AM
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Don't let's be beastly to the Germans
>
>
>Thanks, I thought so.
>
>These are 18-20 of Santomauro's piece.Which question(s) are you asking?
>
>18) Why has Holocaust Revisionism been criminalized in at least eleven
>countries…what other historic truth needs the threat of prison or the
>destruction of one's career to maintain itself. Should someone be sent
>to prison for expressing skepticism about the official Chinese claim
>that they suffere

Re: [Biofuel] Don't let's be beastly to the Germans

[Mike Weaver]

Thanks, I thought so.

These are 18-20 of Santomauro's piece.Which question(s) are you asking?

18) Why has Holocaust Revisionism been criminalized in at least eleven 
countries…what other historic truth needs the threat of prison or the 
destruction of one's career to maintain itself. Should someone be sent 
to prison for expressing skepticism about the official Chinese claim 
that they suffered thirty-five million dead in World War II.

19) Why do the court historians insist that "denying the Holocaust" is 
like denying slavery or saying the earth is flat when it is nothing of 
the sort. The leading Revisionists are first rate scholars who hold 
advanced degrees from the world's leading universities. Is there anyone 
comparable among those who say the world is flat or that slavery never 
existed?

20) Promoters of the Holocaust have expressed concerns about the 
remembering the Holocaust once the last survivors die. Why haven't Civil 
War historians expressed similar concerns since the last survivor of 
that conflict died in 1959?





Keith Addison wrote:

>Hello Mike
>
>Nice bit bit of ol' wartime jingoism you dragged up there eh? That'll 
>help a lot.
>
>What it doesn't help do though is hide the fact that for all this 
>flailing about you still haven't answered the question, since it was 
>you Bob put it to in the first place. So I'll ask it again, right 
>here at the top:
>
>  
>
... But in fact it begs the question,
posed in items 18-20 of Santomauro's piece.
This is the nub of the matter. Why is this subject banned from 


>>discussion in
>>
>>
11 countries (with a 12th about to come on line i.e. the recent American
"hate speech" law which sailed through Congress) and why do otherwise
apparently sane and intelligent people suddenly go la-la when asked to
contemplate the anomalies?
... Over the years I have come to wonder if perhaps the Holocaust
story has been
used to weave a political hair shirt to keep likely dissenters in 


>>line while
>>
>>
another holocaust - an ever-increasing obscenity of more than 50 years
standing - is pursued with even more inhuman zeal than ever fascism could
summon to its cause.


>
>Last time you said this:
>
>  
>
>>What's next? A cut and paste proof
>>that global warming is a hoax?  The war in Iraq is about liberation?
>>Apartheid didn't happen?
>>
>>
>
>This time:
>
>  
>
>>Next up:  Clearing the record on slavery,  Stalin, Belgium in the 
>>Congo, war in Iraq, and heck, why not Darfur?
>>
>>
>
>Why not Palestine?
>
>Whether begged or raised, why not drop all the obfuscation and just 
>answer the question?
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>  
>
>>What I can't stand is when someone says "begs the question" when they
>>mean "raise the question."  Begging the question describes a logical
>>fallacy.
>>
>>As for "political hair shirt" - that's too obtuse for comment.
>>
>>"Having survived the Allied firebombing of his native
>>city of Pforzheim as a child, Zundel was well familiar
>>with the war crimes of the hypocritical Allies and he
>>made it his life's work to clear the name of his own
>>people.  For this commendable enterprise,"
>>
>>Clearing Germany of culpability for the deaths of jews, Gypsies, 
>>homosexuals and other "undesirables" is indeed commendable.
>>
>>Next up:  Clearing the record on slavery,  Stalin, Belgium in the 
>>Congo, war in Iraq, and heck, why not Darfur?
>>
>>Besides,  Noel Coward is way ahead of you on Germany:
>>
>>*Don't Let's Be Beastly To The Germans - Noel Coward*
>>
>>Verse 1
>>
>>We must be kind
>>And with an open mind
>>We must endeavour to find
>>A way-
>>To let the Germans know that when the war is over
>>They are not the ones who'll have to pay.
>>We must be sweet-
>>And tactful and discreet
>>And when they've suffered defeat
>>We mustn't let
>>Them feel upset
>>Or ever get
>>The feeling that we're cross with them or hate them,
>>Our future policy must be to reinstate them.
>>
>>Refrain 1
>>
>>Don't let's be beastly to the Germans
>>When our victory is ultimately won,
>>It was just those nasty Nazis who persuaded them to fight
>>And their Beethoven and Bach are really far worse than their bite
>>Let's be meek to them-
>>And turn the other cheek to them
>>And try to bring out their latent sense of fun.
>>Let's give them full air parity-
>>And treat the rats with charity,
>>But don't let's be beastly to the Hun.
>>
>>Verse 2
>>
>>We must be just-
>>And win their love and trust
>>And in additon we must
>>Be wise
>>And ask the conquered lands to join our hands to aid them.
>>That would be a wonderful surprise.
>>For many years-
>>They've been in floods of tears
>>Because the poor little dears
>>Have been so wronged and only longed
>>To cheat the world,
>>Deplete the world
>>And beat
>>The world to blazes.
>>This is the moment when we ought to sing their praises.
>>
>>Refrain 2
>>
>>Don't let's be beastly to the Germans
>>When we

Re: [Biofuel] The real 9/11 culprit - Winston Churchill?

[Mike Weaver]

Good:
Early in his political career he worked hard to implement a minimum wage 
in England.
But probably the one thing he's rightly remembered well for is his 
refusal to capitualte to Hitler, although I think David Lloyd George 
probably got that ball rolling.  His speeches rallied Britain during WWII.
He, along with FDR, played in instumental role in defeating Nazi Germany.
Despite his myriad flaws, he was a great source of quotes.

Bad:
Rotten policy on India.
At least up until 1937, didn't seem to have much problem w/ Hitler OR 
Mussolini.
Saw no problem with the concept of an Empire.
Miseable views on race.
Had a hand in any number of bad policies...the list goes on.




Keith Addison wrote:

>>I think Winnie was a pretty mixed bag myself.
>>
>>
>
>First you said good and bad, now you say mixed. If you can't remind 
>me of something good about him, how about something that's not 
>outright bad?
>
>  
>
>>A better question might be why the British were so anxious to go *back*
>>into Iraq?  I think it was Stanley Maude  who went stomping into
>>Mesopotamia around 1916 and I don't think the Brits were out until '56
>>or so.  No guarantee on those dates.
>>
>>
>
>Try Geoff Simons' "Iraq: From Sumer to Saddam". Anyway, the League of 
>Nations awarded Britain the new mandate of Iraq as part of "secret 
>deals" made during World War I. Ho-hum. Lots of horse-trading with 
>the French, and there was this stray king who needed a kingdom 
>somewhere or other. Anyway, heavy application of Churchill's usual 
>hamfist, with Bomber Harris delivering prototype terror bombing raids 
>on tribal villages and so on. So what's new.
>
>Keith
>
>
>  
>
>>Keith Addison wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hello Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
One can find Churchill's fingerprints on just about every Western
historical artifact, both good and bad, for the roughly the past 120 years.




>>>Maybe, but that doesn't explain it away. Mishra makes some good points.
>>>
>>>Ugly racism aside, what excuse is there for sheer ignorance?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
According to his own Secretary of State for India, Leopold Amery,
Churchill knew "as much of the Indian problem as George III did of
the American colonies."




>>>Or as much as George W. Bush knew of Iraq? Iraq was also Churchill's
>>>doing, chucked together out of incompatible parts, despite warnings
>>>  
>>>
>>>from people who knew better that it couldn't work. Famous Churchill
>>
>>
>>>quote: "I am strongly in favour of using poison gas against
>>>uncivilised tribes" (Iraqis). (Lawrence of Arabia agreed.)
>>>
>>>Good and bad? Maybe you can remind me of something good about
>>>Churchill, I forget.
>>>
>>>I wrote something similar to what you say about him about 25 years
>>>ago, not about Churchill though, it was about the British Empire -
>>>take just about any trouble-spot in the world and dig a little and
>>>you'll find something nasty the British Empire swept under the carpet
>>>long ago.
>>>
>>>Divide and conquer, force folks to compete for what's theirs, turn
>>>peaceful differences into vicious enmities that'll fester away
>>>forever.
>>>
>>>I guess one empire's much the same as another.
>>>
>>>Best
>>>
>>>Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Keith Addison wrote:





>"Meeting Mountbatten a few months after partition, Churchill assailed
>him for helping Britain's "enemies," "Hindustan," against "Britain's
>friends," the Muslims. Little did Churchill know that his expedient
>boosting of political Islam would eventually unleash a global jihad
>engulfing even distant New York and London. The rival nationalisms
>and politicized religions the British Empire brought into being now
>clash in an enlarged geopolitical arena; and the human costs of
>imperial overreaching seem unlikely to attain a final tally for many
>more decades."
>
>-
>
>http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2007/08/13/070813crbo_book
>s_mishra?printable=true
>Exit Wounds: Books: The New Yorker
>
>Books
>
>Exit Wounds
>
>The legacy of Indian partition.
>
>by Pankaj Mishra August 13, 2007
>
>Sixty years ago, on the evening of August 14, 1947, a few hours
>before Britain's Indian Empire was formally divided into the
>nation-states of India and Pakistan, Lord Louis Mountbatten and his
>wife, Edwina, sat down in the viceregal mansion in New Delhi to watch
>the latest Bob Hope movie, "My Favorite Brunette." Large parts of the
>subcontinent were descending into chaos, as the implications of
>partitioning the Indian Empire along religious lines became clear to
>the millions of Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs caught on the wrong side
>of the border. In the next few months, some twelve million people
>would be uprooted and as many as a million murdered. But on that
>night

Re: [Biofuel] The real 9/11 culprit - Winston Churchill?

[Mike Weaver]

I think Winnie was a pretty mixed bag myself.

A better question might be why the British were so anxious to go *back* 
into Iraq?  I think it was Stanley Maude  who went stomping into 
Mesopotamia around 1916 and I don't think the Brits were out until '56 
or so.  No guarantee on those dates.


Keith Addison wrote:

>Hello Mike
>
>  
>
>>One can find Churchill's fingerprints on just about every Western
>>historical artifact, both good and bad, for the roughly the past 120 years.
>>
>>
>
>Maybe, but that doesn't explain it away. Mishra makes some good points.
>
>Ugly racism aside, what excuse is there for sheer ignorance?
>
>  
>
>>According to his own Secretary of State for India, Leopold Amery, 
>>Churchill knew "as much of the Indian problem as George III did of 
>>the American colonies."
>>
>>
>
>Or as much as George W. Bush knew of Iraq? Iraq was also Churchill's 
>doing, chucked together out of incompatible parts, despite warnings 
>from people who knew better that it couldn't work. Famous Churchill 
>quote: "I am strongly in favour of using poison gas against 
>uncivilised tribes" (Iraqis). (Lawrence of Arabia agreed.)
>
>Good and bad? Maybe you can remind me of something good about 
>Churchill, I forget.
>
>I wrote something similar to what you say about him about 25 years 
>ago, not about Churchill though, it was about the British Empire - 
>take just about any trouble-spot in the world and dig a little and 
>you'll find something nasty the British Empire swept under the carpet 
>long ago.
>
>Divide and conquer, force folks to compete for what's theirs, turn 
>peaceful differences into vicious enmities that'll fester away 
>forever.
>
>I guess one empire's much the same as another.
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Keith Addison wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>"Meeting Mountbatten a few months after partition, Churchill assailed
>>>him for helping Britain's "enemies," "Hindustan," against "Britain's
>>>friends," the Muslims. Little did Churchill know that his expedient
>>>boosting of political Islam would eventually unleash a global jihad
>>>engulfing even distant New York and London. The rival nationalisms
>>>and politicized religions the British Empire brought into being now
>>>clash in an enlarged geopolitical arena; and the human costs of
>>>imperial overreaching seem unlikely to attain a final tally for many
>>>more decades."
>>>
>>>-
>>>
>>>http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2007/08/13/070813crbo_book
>>>s_mishra?printable=true
>>>Exit Wounds: Books: The New Yorker
>>>
>>>Books
>>>
>>>Exit Wounds
>>>
>>>The legacy of Indian partition.
>>>
>>>by Pankaj Mishra August 13, 2007
>>>
>>>Sixty years ago, on the evening of August 14, 1947, a few hours
>>>before Britain's Indian Empire was formally divided into the
>>>nation-states of India and Pakistan, Lord Louis Mountbatten and his
>>>wife, Edwina, sat down in the viceregal mansion in New Delhi to watch
>>>the latest Bob Hope movie, "My Favorite Brunette." Large parts of the
>>>subcontinent were descending into chaos, as the implications of
>>>partitioning the Indian Empire along religious lines became clear to
>>>the millions of Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs caught on the wrong side
>>>of the border. In the next few months, some twelve million people
>>>would be uprooted and as many as a million murdered. But on that
>>>night in mid-August the bloodbath-and the fuller consequences of
>>>hasty imperial retreat-still lay in the future, and the Mountbattens
>>>probably felt they had earned their evening's entertainment.
>>>
>>>Mountbatten, the last viceroy of India, had arrived in New Delhi in
>>>March, 1947, charged with an almost impossible task. Irrevocably
>>>enfeebled by the Second World War, the British belatedly realized
>>>that they had to leave the subcontinent, which had spiralled out of
>>>their control through the nineteen-forties. But plans for brisk
>>>disengagement ignored messy realities on the ground. Mountbatten had
>>>a clear remit to transfer power to the Indians within fifteen months.
>>>Leaving India to God, or anarchy, as Mohandas Gandhi, the foremost
>>>Indian leader, exhorted, wasn't a political option, however tempting.
>>>Mountbatten had to work hard to figure out how and to whom power was
>>>to be transferred.
>>>
>>>The dominant political party, the Congress Party, took inspiration
>>>  
>>>
>>>from Gandhi in claiming to be a secular organization, representing
>>
>>
>>>all four hundred million Indians. But many Muslim politicians saw it
>>>as a party of upper-caste Hindus and demanded a separate homeland for
>>>their hundred million co-religionists, who were intermingled with
>>>non-Muslim populations across the subcontinent's villages, towns, and
>>>cities. Eventually, as in Palestine, the British saw partition along
>>>religious lines as the quickest way to the exit.
>>>
>>>But sectarian riots in Punjab and Bengal dimmed hopes for a quick and
>>>dignified British withdrawal, and boded ill for India's assu

[Biofuel] On a lighter note...

[Mike Weaver]

Oct. 12-13, 2007 

"Yesterday, Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize for his work with the 
environment. Then, in a stunning reversal, the Supreme Court awarded it to 
George Bush." --Amy Poehler 

"I think I know why you're happy tonight ... 'cause Al Gore won the Nobel 
prize. Al Gore won the Nobel prize. Or, as President Bush announced it, 'Sweden 
is with the terrorists.' No, the president did not say that. What he said was, 
'The Nobel Prize is just a theory. It needs more study.'" --Bill Maher 

"You can tell Al Gore is still worrying about these kind of things. They told 
him today, 'You received the most votes.' He said, 'Yeah, who won?'" --Bill 
Maher 

"Congratulations to former Vice President Al Gore. He won the Nobel Peace 
Prize. ... And he did it without a single vote from Florida." --Jay Leno 

"A White House spokesman said President Bush is very happy Al Gore won. Not 
Dick Cheney. Oh, no. Dick Cheney said today now he wants to bomb Norway." --Jay 
Leno 

"A lot of people are now wondering if Al Gore will run for president, which 
would make it a Gore vs. Hillary Democratic primary. Kind of global warming vs. 
global cooling." --Jay Leno 

"I have become such a fan of these Republican debates. There was another one 
this week. ... Mitt Romney and Giuliani went at each other. It was like 
watching a mannequin fight a Halloween costume." --Bill Maher 

"And Mitt Romney was asked if he would seek congressional approval to attack 
Iran. ... He said he would check with his attorneys. Is that the right answer? 
I'm not sure. ... And then Fred Thompson said he would check with his manager 
and his publicist. That's the right answer." --Bill Maher 

"This was Fred Thompson's first debate. You know, the long-awaited savior for 
the Republicans, Fred Thompson, is finally in the debates. It was a good chance 
for the voters to finally put the name with the cadaver." --Bill Maher 

"Hillary Clinton ... said this week that she would negotiate with Iran. Barack 
Obama jumped on that. He said that's a flip-flop because she criticized him for 
basically saying the same thing back in July. But she said that's just her way 
of adopting something from Africa." --Bill Maher 

"The people who are really getting tough with the Middle East is the House 
Foreign Relations Committee. Those motherf-- are not kidding around. They 
voted yesterday to condemn, as an act of genocide, the killings of Armenians in 
Turkey in 1915. See, this is exactly why the voters gave control to the 
Democrats. They send a stern message to the Ottoman Empire." --Bill Maher 

"On the peaceful side of the equation, the Dalai Lama is coming to the United 
States next week. He's going to get the Congressional Medal of honor, meet with 
President Bush. He is going to, of course, be wearing his famous flowing orange 
robes. Nothing religious about that, he just doesn't want to get shot by 
Cheney." --Bill Maher 

"Ramsey Usef, you know that name? He was the mastermind of the first World 
Trade Center attack back in '93. He's been rotting in prison -- as he should -- 
for many years. He said he's now converted to Christianity. He has seen the 
light. He can't wait to get out and bomb an abortion clinic" --Bill Maher 

"Congratulations to our own Matt Lauer of the 'Today Show.' Matt has secured 
the very first TV interview with Idaho Senator Larry Craig. I believe it will 
be conducted in the men's room at Rockefeller Center. ... Senator Craig said 
he's looking forward to meeting with Matt and going toe to toe." --Jay Leno 

"This week, President Bush said that Congress needs to give him more power to 
spy on Americans by making changes to the Protect America Act. Did you ever 
notice they always give these pieces of legislation names you can't disagree 
with? The Protect America Act. ... Give it a fair name. At least call it the 
Ignore The Constitution Act." --Jay Leno 

"On Tuesday, the Republican presidential candidates gathered in Michigan for a 
debate. The last time there were this many old white dudes in one place, Steve 
Guttenberg was trying to get them out of a swimming pool [on screen: the movie 
'Cocoon']." --Seth Meyers 

"Communist Cuba paid tribute on Monday to Ernesto Che Guevara, the populist 
revolutionary and guerrilla fighter, and not, as most college students believe, 
the founder of Urban Outfitters." --Amy Poehler 




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[Biofuel] Don't let's be beastly to the Germans

[Mike Weaver]

What I can't stand is when someone says "begs the question" when they 
mean "raise the question."  Begging the question describes a logical 
fallacy. 

As for "political hair shirt" - that's too obtuse for comment.

"Having survived the Allied firebombing of his native
city of Pforzheim as a child, Zundel was well familiar
with the war crimes of the hypocritical Allies and he
made it his life's work to clear the name of his own
people.  For this commendable enterprise,"

Clearing Germany of culpability for the deaths of jews, Gypsies, homosexuals 
and other "undesirables" is indeed commendable.

Next up:  Clearing the record on slavery,  Stalin, Belgium in the Congo, war in 
Iraq, and heck, why not Darfur?

Besides,  Noel Coward is way ahead of you on Germany:

*Don't Let's Be Beastly To The Germans - Noel Coward*

Verse 1

We must be kind
And with an open mind
We must endeavour to find
A way-
To let the Germans know that when the war is over
They are not the ones who'll have to pay.
We must be sweet-
And tactful and discreet
And when they've suffered defeat
We mustn't let
Them feel upset
Or ever get
The feeling that we're cross with them or hate them,
Our future policy must be to reinstate them.

Refrain 1

Don't let's be beastly to the Germans
When our victory is ultimately won,
It was just those nasty Nazis who persuaded them to fight
And their Beethoven and Bach are really far worse than their bite
Let's be meek to them-
And turn the other cheek to them
And try to bring out their latent sense of fun.
Let's give them full air parity-
And treat the rats with charity,
But don't let's be beastly to the Hun.

Verse 2

We must be just-
And win their love and trust
And in additon we must
Be wise
And ask the conquered lands to join our hands to aid them.
That would be a wonderful surprise.
For many years-
They've been in floods of tears
Because the poor little dears
Have been so wronged and only longed
To cheat the world,
Deplete the world
And beat
The world to blazes.
This is the moment when we ought to sing their praises.

Refrain 2

Don't let's be beastly to the Germans
When we've definately got them on the run-
Let us treat them very kindly as we would a valued friend
We might send them out some Bishops as a form of lease and lend,
Let's be sweet to them-
And day by day repeat to them
That 'sterilization' simply isn't done.
Let's help the dirty swine again-
To occupy the Rhine again,
But don't let's be beastly to the Hun.

Refrain 3

Don't let's be beastly to the Germans
When the age of peace and plenty has begun.
We must send them steel and oil and coal and everything they need
For their peaceable intentions can be always guaranteed.
Let's employ with them a sort of 'strength through joy' with them,
They're better than us at honest manly fun.
Let's let them feel they're swell again and bomb us all to hell again,
But don't let's be beastly to the Hun.

Refrain 4

Don't let's be beastly to the Germans
For you can't deprive a ganster of his gun
Though they've been a little naughty to the Czechs and Poles and Dutch
But I don't suppose those countries really minded very much
Let's be free with them and share the B.B.C. with them.
We mustn't prevent them basking in the sun.
Let's soften their defeat again-and build their bloody fleet again,
But don't let's be beastly to the Hun.



Keith Addison wrote:

>Hi Peter
>
>I think Hoffman's a bit of a nutcase, or so swathed in conspiracy 
>theories he might as well be one.
>
>Anyway, IMHO, what's interesting isn't the questions themselves so 
>much as the fact that it's forbidden to ask them. It's the 21st 
>Century after all, not the Middle Ages anymore.
>
>As Bob said last time around:
>
>  
>
>>... But in fact it begs the question,
>>posed in items 18-20 of Santomauro's piece.
>>This is the nub of the matter. Why is this subject banned from discussion in
>>11 countries (with a 12th about to come on line i.e. the recent American
>>"hate speech" law which sailed through Congress) and why do otherwise
>>apparently sane and intelligent people suddenly go la-la when asked to
>>contemplate the anomalies?
>>... Over the years I have come to wonder if perhaps the Holocaust 
>>story has been
>>used to weave a political hair shirt to keep likely dissenters in line while
>>another holocaust - an ever-increasing obscenity of more than 50 years
>>standing - is pursued with even more inhuman zeal than ever fascism could
>>summon to its cause.
>>
>>
>
>That was about this:
>
>  
>
>>Ahmadinejad's Holocaust Problems are My Holocaust Problems
>>Michael Santomauro - ReportersNoteBook Sept 27, 2007
>>
>>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg71100.html
>
>Indeed, if you question Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, Bob's 
>"another holocaust", something similar happens, the "Israel lobby" 
>gets you, in the US at least, with much the same tactics, kiss your 
>reputation goodbye and probably your career too.
>
>Because of this taboo, it's difficult or

Re: [Biofuel] The real 9/11 culprit - Winston Churchill?

[Mike Weaver]

One can find Churchill's fingerprints on just about every Western 
historical artifact, both good and bad, for the roughly the past 120 years.


Keith Addison wrote:

>"Meeting Mountbatten a few months after partition, Churchill assailed 
>him for helping Britain's "enemies," "Hindustan," against "Britain's 
>friends," the Muslims. Little did Churchill know that his expedient 
>boosting of political Islam would eventually unleash a global jihad 
>engulfing even distant New York and London. The rival nationalisms 
>and politicized religions the British Empire brought into being now 
>clash in an enlarged geopolitical arena; and the human costs of 
>imperial overreaching seem unlikely to attain a final tally for many 
>more decades."
>
>-
>
>http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2007/08/13/070813crbo_book 
>s_mishra?printable=true
>Exit Wounds: Books: The New Yorker
>
>Books
>
>Exit Wounds
>
>The legacy of Indian partition.
>
>by Pankaj Mishra August 13, 2007
>
>Sixty years ago, on the evening of August 14, 1947, a few hours 
>before Britain's Indian Empire was formally divided into the 
>nation-states of India and Pakistan, Lord Louis Mountbatten and his 
>wife, Edwina, sat down in the viceregal mansion in New Delhi to watch 
>the latest Bob Hope movie, "My Favorite Brunette." Large parts of the 
>subcontinent were descending into chaos, as the implications of 
>partitioning the Indian Empire along religious lines became clear to 
>the millions of Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs caught on the wrong side 
>of the border. In the next few months, some twelve million people 
>would be uprooted and as many as a million murdered. But on that 
>night in mid-August the bloodbath-and the fuller consequences of 
>hasty imperial retreat-still lay in the future, and the Mountbattens 
>probably felt they had earned their evening's entertainment.
>
>Mountbatten, the last viceroy of India, had arrived in New Delhi in 
>March, 1947, charged with an almost impossible task. Irrevocably 
>enfeebled by the Second World War, the British belatedly realized 
>that they had to leave the subcontinent, which had spiralled out of 
>their control through the nineteen-forties. But plans for brisk 
>disengagement ignored messy realities on the ground. Mountbatten had 
>a clear remit to transfer power to the Indians within fifteen months. 
>Leaving India to God, or anarchy, as Mohandas Gandhi, the foremost 
>Indian leader, exhorted, wasn't a political option, however tempting. 
>Mountbatten had to work hard to figure out how and to whom power was 
>to be transferred.
>
>The dominant political party, the Congress Party, took inspiration 
>from Gandhi in claiming to be a secular organization, representing 
>all four hundred million Indians. But many Muslim politicians saw it 
>as a party of upper-caste Hindus and demanded a separate homeland for 
>their hundred million co-religionists, who were intermingled with 
>non-Muslim populations across the subcontinent's villages, towns, and 
>cities. Eventually, as in Palestine, the British saw partition along 
>religious lines as the quickest way to the exit.
>
>But sectarian riots in Punjab and Bengal dimmed hopes for a quick and 
>dignified British withdrawal, and boded ill for India's assumption of 
>power. Not surprisingly, there were some notable absences at the 
>Independence Day celebrations in New Delhi on August 15th. Gandhi, 
>denouncing freedom from imperial rule as a "wooden loaf," had 
>remained in Calcutta, trying, with the force of his moral authority, 
>to stop Hindus and Muslims from killing each other. His great rival 
>Mohammed Ali Jinnah, who had fought bitterly for a separate homeland 
>for Indian Muslims, was in Karachi, trying to hold together the 
>precarious nation-state of Pakistan.
>
>Nevertheless, the significance of the occasion was not lost on many. 
>While the Mountbattens were sitting down to their Bob Hope movie, 
>India's constituent assembly was convening in New Delhi. The moment 
>demanded grandiloquence, and Jawaharlal Nehru, Gandhi's closest 
>disciple and soon to be India's first Prime Minister, provided it. 
>"Long years ago, we made a tryst with destiny," he said. "At the 
>stroke of the midnight hour, while the world sleeps, India will 
>awaken to life and freedom. A moment comes, which comes but rarely in 
>history, when we step out from the old to the new, when an age ends, 
>and when the soul of a nation, long suppressed, finds utterance."
>
>Posterity has enshrined this speech, as Nehru clearly intended. But 
>today his quaint phrase "tryst with destiny" resonates ominously, so 
>enduring have been the political and psychological scars of 
>partition. The souls of the two new nation-states immediately found 
>utterance in brutal enmity. In Punjab, armed vigilante groups, 
>organized along religious lines and incited by local politicians, 
>murdered countless people, abducting and raping thousands of women. 
>Soon, India and Pakistan were fighting

Re: [Biofuel] Twentynine steps to the unthinkable

[Mike Weaver]

Bob Molloy wrote:

Gee Bob, thanks for posting this.  What's next?  A cut and paste proof 
that global warming is a hoax?  The war in Iraq is about liberation?  
Apartheid didn't happen?
It's one thing to be as ignorant as you are; it's quite another thing to 
wave it about so proudly.  When you do learn to read with getting smudge 
marks on your computer screen from using your finger, I urge you to do a 
little reseach before you post these moronic bleatings.

You're a bird brain, and I mean that as an insult to the birds.

-Mike Weaver

1) Why did Elie Wiesel and countless other Jews survive the Holocaust if it was 
the intention of the Third Reich to eliminate every Jew they got there hands 
on? Elie was a prisoner for several years; other Jews survived even longer. 
Most of these ''survivors'' were ordinary people who did not have any unique 
expertise that the Germans could have exploited for their war effort. There was 
no logical reason for them to be kept alive. The very existence of more than a 
million survivors even today, some sixty years later, contradicts one of the 
basic components of the Holocaust i.e. that the Germans had a policy to 
eliminate every Jew they got their hands on. 

Nice try, but not true:  Hitler would have been perfectly happy to just
kick the Jews out of of Germany.  The West didn't want them; in fact
Roosevelt turn back the St. Loius in 1939.  Hitler's desire to
completely exterminate Jewry came later.

2) Why is their no mention of the Holocaust in Churchill's six volume History 
of the Second World War or the wartime memoirs of either De Gaulle or 
Eisenhower or any of the other lesser luminaries who wrote about the Second 
World War. Keep in mind all these were written years after the war ended and 
thus after the Holocaust had been allegedly proven by the Nuremberg Trials? 
With regard to the Holocaust, the silence of these " cognoscenti " is 
deafening! 


Big whoop. Uh, all this proves is that Churchill did not write about the 
fate of the Jews in his memoirs. As for DeGaulle, if one starts to look 
for errors and fabrications, it's hard to know where to stop. Again, 
useless as proof.
If haven't read Eisenhower, but as i recall, he was not in Germany in 
the late 30's and early 40's.

Reading in July 1944 the first detailed account of Auschwitz, Churchill 
wrote:

'There is no doubt this is the most horrible crime ever committed in
the whole history of the world, and it has been done by scientific
machinery by nominally civilised men in the name of a great State
and one of the leading races of Europe. It is quite clear that all
concerned in this crime who may fall into our hands, including the
people who only obeyed orders by carrying out the butcheries, should
be put to death after their association with the murders has been
proved.'

3) What was an inmate infirmary (and a brothel) doing in Auschwitz if in fact 
it was a death camp? 

Do you a cititian for this?

4) Why would the Germans round up Jews from their far flung empire, thereby 
tying up large numbers of personnel and rolling stock, while fighting a world 
war on two fronts to deliver people to ''death camps'' hundreds of miles away 
who were then executed upon arrival.wouldn't a bullet on the spot have appealed 
to legendary German sense of efficiency? 

Another brilliant point.  Good lord, you're smart.  Why would Hitler invade 
Russia?  Why would Hitler provoke the US?  Maybe, just maybe, your hero might 
have been just a tiny bit unhinged?  One of Herr Hitler's many lunatic actions.

5) Why after sixty years have historians been unable to come up with a single 
German document that points to a Holocaust? Should we believe the likes of Raul 
Hilberg that in the place of written orders there was an "incredible meeting of 
the minds" by the literally tens of thousands of people who would have had to 
coordinate their actions in order to carry out an undertaking of this 
magnitude. 

There is plenty of documentation.  You can read it yourself.  Try not to get 
crayon marks on them, Bob.
  

Speech by *Adolf Hitler*, January 31, 1939.
Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals -
Washington, U.S. Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol XIII, p. 131:

Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish
financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the
nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the
bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the
annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!

*Adolph Hitler* speaking to a crowd at the Sports Palace in Berlin,
30 January 1942.
Quoted in "The Holocaust," by Martin Gilbert, Holt, Rinehart and
Winston, NY, 1985, p. 285. Text as monitored by the For

Re: [Biofuel] Volkswagon Rabbit and Cummings 5.9 Diesel

[Mike Weaver]

I added a clear in-line fuel filter ahead on the big expensive filter 
and have 60k on the car.  I've replaced the cheap filter a few times
3 minuts and 3.99.  I did replace the big filter at 59k - it was 
somewhat mucky and had some water but worked fine.


Michael Miller wrote:

>Both engines will run B100. It is the fuel system that will eventually need
>repairs. A sudden switch to the clean biodiesel fuel will result in a
>thorough cleaning out of the existing crud in the fuel system, which will
>end up in the fuel filter. So, plan for it, and have a spare filter on hand.
>
>In the near term future any rubber components of the fuel system will
>dissolve and begin to leak. I have a '92 Chevy 6.2L with no modifications at
>all. It has been burning blends of biodiesel for two years with no leaks,
>but I will not be surprised when they start. On the other hand a leak is
>easy to discover and makes finding the failed part easy to identify.
>
>I live in northern Wisconsin. Making biodiesel from waste vegetable oil does
>not make as good a fuel as from virgin oil. It is possible, but requires a
>lot more time to wash and dry, and I still end up with a fuel that is not
>usable in temps below 30F. From experience I now begin blending when the
>overnight lows reach 40F. When the overnight lows reach 30F I am at a 50%
>blend, and by 0F I do not use any biodiesel. But days of below zero temps
>are not many. I only purchased one tank of all petro-diesel last winter.
>
>Last winter my truck failed to start three separate times, and each time
>required a tow to a heated garage to thaw out. However, in defense of
>biodiesel I need to admit that each time it failed to start we found a
>needed repair on the truck. The first failure we discovered the glow plug
>relay was not cycling properly, the second failure, we found the fuel heater
>was not cycling on at all, and the third failure we found the circuit I use
>to plug in the engine block heater was tripped (bad extension cord). So I
>can blame biodiesel for last year's problems. We will see this winter if my
>diesel ownership skills have improved.
>
>Bottom line, go for it. You will learn what you need as you go.
>
>Michael
>
>
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>>bio-diesel?  We live in upstate NY, so I assume B100 would not work in the
>>winter.  What is a suggested mixture (i.e. B75 or B50)?
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Re: [Biofuel] OECD warns against biofuels subsidies

[Mike Weaver]

We probably ought to phase subsidies to petroluem produces are well ;-)


Keith Addison wrote:

>http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e780d216-5fd5-11dc-b0fe-779fd2ac.html
>FT.com / World -
>
>OECD warns against biofuels subsidies
>
>By Andrew Bounds in Brussels
>
>Published: September 10 2007 22:28 | Last updated: September 10 2007 22:28
>
>Governments need to scrap subsidies for biofuels, as the current rush 
>to support alternative energy sources will lead to surging food 
>prices and the potential destruction of natural habitats, the 
>Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development will warn on 
>Tuesday.
>
>The OECD will say in a report to be discussed by ministers on Tuesday 
>that politicians are rigging the market in favour of an untried 
>technology that will have only limited impact on climate change.
>
>"The current push to expand the use of biofuels is creating 
>unsustainable tensions that will disrupt markets without generating 
>significant environmental benefits," say the authors of the study, a 
>copy of which has been obtained by the Financial Times.
>
>The survey says biofuels would cut energy-related emissions by 3 per 
>cent at most. This benefit would come at a huge cost, which would 
>swiftly make them unpopular among taxpayers.
>
>The study estimates the US alone spends $7bn (?5bn) a year helping 
>make ethanol, with each tonne of carbon dioxide avoided costing more 
>than $500. In the EU, it can be almost 10 times that.
>
>It says biofuels could lead to some damage to the environment. "As 
>long as environmental values are not adequately priced in the market, 
>there will be powerful incentives to replace natural eco-systems such 
>as forests, wetlands and pasture with dedicated bio-energy crops," it 
>says.
>
>The report recommends governments phase out biofuel subsidies, using 
>"technology-neutral" carbon taxes instead to allow the market to find 
>the most efficient ways of reducing greenhouse gases.
>
>"Such policies will more effectively stimulate regulatory and market 
>incentives for efficient technologies," it said.
>
>The study, prepared for the OECD's round table on sustainable 
>development, will be discussed in Paris on Tuesday and on Wednesday 
>by ministers and representatives of a dozen governments, including 
>the US. Also attending will be Ángel Gurría, the OECD 
>secretary-general, scientists, business representatives and 
>non-governmental organisations.
>
>The survey puts a question mark over the European Union's plan to 
>derive 10 per cent of transport fuel from plants by 2020. It says 
>money saved from phasing out subsidies should fund research into 
>so-called second-generation fuels, which are being developed to use 
>waste products and so emit less CO2 when they are made.
>
>Today, only three kinds of biofuels are preferable to oil, the study 
>says: Brazilian sugar, which converts easily to ethanol, the 
>by-products of paper-making, and used vegetable oil.
>
>The EU has said only biofuels that meet as yet undefined standards 
>for sustainability will count towards its target to get a tenth of 
>transport fuel from plants by 2020. Tariff discrimination on 
>sustainability grounds is illegal under World Trade Organisation 
>rules and the authors call for talks at the WTO to set up a global 
>certification scheme.
>
>Adrian Bebb, biofuels campaigner with Friends of the Earth said: "The 
>OECD is right to warn against throwing ourselves headfirst down the 
>agrofuels path."
>
>Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2007
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Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you Americans?

[Mike Weaver]

Bigger car bigger house

Matiss Lazdins wrote:

>So what do we have to live for? subsistence is what I am aiming for.
>
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[Biofuel] Smashing Capitalism

[Mike Weaver]

Smashing Capitalism

Barbara Ehrenreich
August 20, 2007

Somewhere in the Hamptons a high-roller is cursing his cleaning lady and
shaking his fists at the lawn guys. The American poor, who are usually
tactful enough to remain invisible to the multi-millionaire class, suddenly
leaped onto the scene and started smashing the global financial system.
Incredibly enough, this may be the first case in history in which the
downtrodden manage to bring down an unfair economic system without going to
the trouble of a revolution.

First they stopped paying their mortgages, a move in which they were joined
by many financially stretched middle class folks, though the poor definitely
led the way. All right, these were trick mortgages, many of them designed to
be unaffordable within two years of signing the contract. There were "NINJA"
loans, for example, awarded to people with "no income, no job or assets."
Conservative columnist Niall Fergusen laments the low levels of "economic
literacy" that allowed people to be exploited by sub-prime loans. Why didn't
these low-income folks get lawyers to go over the fine print? And don't they
have personal financial advisors anyway?

Then, in a diabolically clever move, the poor - a category which now roughly
coincides with the working class - stopped shopping. Both Wal-Mart and Home
Depot announced disappointing second quarter performances, plunging the
market into another Arctic-style meltdown. H. Lee Scott, CEO of the
low-wage Wal-Mart empire, admitted with admirable sensitivity, that "it's no
secret that many customers are running out of money at the end of the
month."

I wish I could report that the current attack on capitalism represents a
deliberate strategy on the part of the poor, that there have been secret
meetings in break rooms and parking lots around the country, where cell
leaders issued instructions like, "You, Vinny - don't make any mortgage
payment this month. And Caroline, forget that back-to-school shopping, OK?"
But all the evidence suggests that the current crisis is something the
high-rollers brought down on themselves.

When, for example, the largest private employer in America, which is
Wal-Mart, starts experiencing a shortage of customers, it needs to take a
long, hard look in the mirror. About a century ago, Henry Ford realized that
his company would only prosper if his own workers earned enough to buy
Fords. Wal-Mart, on the other hand, never seemed to figure out that its
cruelly low wages would eventually curtail its own growth, even at the
company's famously discounted prices.

The sad truth is that people earning Wal-Mart-level wages tend to favor the
fashions available at the Salvation Army. Nor do they have much use for
Wal-Mart's other departments, such as Electronics, Lawn and Garden, and
Pharmacy.

It gets worse though. While with one hand the high-rollers, H. Lee Scott
among them, squeezed the American worker's wages, the other hand was
reaching out with the tempting offer of credit. In fact, easy credit became
the American substitute for decent wages. Once you worked for your money,
but now you were supposed to pay for it. Once you could count on earning
enough to save for a home. Now you'll never earn that much, but, as the
lenders were saying - heh, heh-do we have a mortgage for you!

Pay day loans, rent-to-buy furniture and exorbitant credit card interest
rates for the poor were just the beginning. In its May 21st cover story on
"The Poverty Business," Business Week documented the stampede, in the just
the last few years, to lend money to the people who could least afford to
pay the interest: Buy your dream home! Refinance your house! Take on a car
loan even if your credit rating sucks! Financiamos a Todos! Somehow, no one
bothered to figure out where the poor were going to get the money to pay for
all the money they were being offered.

Personally, I prefer my revolutions to be a little more pro-active. There
should be marches and rallies, banners and sit-ins, possibly a nice color
theme like red or orange. Certainly, there should be a vision of what you
intend to replace the bad old system with-European-style social democracy,
Latin American-style socialism, or how about just American capitalism with
some regulation thrown in?

Global capitalism will survive the current credit crisis; already, the
government has rushed in to soothe the feverish markets. But in the long
term, a system that depends on extracting every last cent from the poor
cannot hope for a healthy prognosis. Who would have thought that
foreclosures in Stockton and Cleveland would roil the markets of London and
Shanghai? The poor have risen up and spoken; only it sounds less like a
shout of protest than a low, strangled, cry of pain.

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[Biofuel] Iraq corruption whistleblowers face penalties

[Mike Weaver]

One after another, the men and women who have stepped forward to report 
corruption in the massive effort to rebuild Iraq have been vilified, 
fired and demoted.

Or worse.

For daring to report illegal arms sales, Navy veteran Donald Vance says 
he was imprisoned by the American military in a security compound 
outside Baghdad and subjected to harsh interrogation methods.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20430153/

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Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage

[Mike Weaver]

I think Mr. Rush Limbaugh knows a little more than you do about 
prescriptions, Mr. Smarty pants Canadian.

Just how many Percocet prescriptions can you get from you "family 
physician" ? Eh? Eh?

Probably none.

That's why USA is #1!


robert rabello wrote:

>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Friday, August 17, 2007 5:05 am
> Subject: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage
> To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>
> > My Encounter with [Insert Scary Music] ... Socialized Medicine!
>
> Gasp!
>
> 
> > I was back at Ann’s in just over an hour from
> > when I left—with my letter, my boot, and my tale of smiling, pleasant,
> > and  efficient health care workers. And somehow I began to believe
> > that back in America we weren’t being given the whole truth. And guess
> > what? Ann tells me that David Beckham and Wayne Rooney, the biggest
> > British soccer (football) stars, have had metatarsal bone fractures, 
> just like
> > mine. In about six weeks, I too will be back on the field, thanks to
> > socialized medicine!
>
>
> I've lived under both systems, and there is NO WAY that I would ever 
> desire to return to America's "free market" medicine.  The system in 
> the US works well if you have a lot of money, a category I have never 
> fit into, and therefore did not have a good experience with health 
> care in my own country, but here in Canada, when I have a medical 
> issue I simply go to my family physician.
>
> Rush Limbaugh and the other ranting lunatics have it wrong, as usual . . .
>
> robert luis rabello
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage

[Mike Weaver]

Bush says we can have both the most expensive military in the world AND 
huge tax cuts for the wealthiest.

So there.

swalms wrote:

> So stay in Uruguay!
>
>  
>
> -Original Message-
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Tom Irwin
> *Sent:* Friday, August 17, 2007 7:25 AM
> *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage
>
>  
>
> Hi Mike and all,
>
> Folks in America can't have everything. There have to be priorities. 
> You can have the most expensive military in the world chasing ghosts 
> or you can have national healthcare. Now in Uruguay I pay some pretty 
> heavy taxes but everyone has healthcare. My prescriptions are U$5.00 
> each. They cost 10 times that in the states but at least there I can 
> get frisked by airport security and photographed by a multitude of 
> hidden cameras for my taxes. Now that's value. :->
>
> Tom Irwin 
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Bloody outrage

[Mike Weaver]

I agree - my folks were overseas for a year and the NHS saw my old man 
thru 2 big problems just fine.

I think the US system is great...if you happen to be rich.

Nobody in the US knows how the NHS or any other European system works:
They always bleat: "But I don't want the Government telling me which 
doctor to see."  I always point out that that's not true anywhere there is
socialized medicine; there is a thriving health insurance industry in 
the EU, and no policeman will arrest you for walking into Dr. Jone's office,
seeing him and then paying the bill.  Just like you can do here.

The right has brain-washed to US to believe they'll forced into health 
collectives and shot if they leave.

Where I live we have socialized trash pick up, for heaven's sake.

But not to worry, we're catching up to the UK fast when it comes to 
video spying...

-Mike




malcolm maclure wrote:

>Hi Mike, & all.
>
>Glad your experience was Ok. I'm in the UK & a few years ago my dad had a
>nasty stroke, he waited on an ambulance trolley in A&E for 7 hrs for a bed
>in a ward, & he devoted his working life to the NHS as a brilliant
>ophthalmologist! 
>
>I do have to say that sometimes our NHS may not be perfect all the time, but
>we are damn lucky to have it. I've used A&E a good few times & I'm glad it's
>there - I can't imagine living with the US system, it seems so elitist. The
>US spends trillions of $'s warmongering & yet it can't provide healthcare
>for all, a basic human right it purports to promote. No offence to you at
>all Mike, but I'm glad I'm British (& there are a lot of things British that
>I'm not proud of) I wouldn't like the way the US behaves in the world on our
>collective conscience.  
>
>Best regards
>
>Malcolm  
>
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>My Encounter with [Insert Scary Music] ... Socialized Medicine!
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[Biofuel] Bloody outrage

[Mike Weaver]

My Encounter with [Insert Scary Music] ... Socialized Medicine!

My foot had been sore for a couple of weeks and it wasn’t getting 
better. I usually would ignore that, but we were about to leave on a 
two-week vacation with my wife Joy’s parents to celebrate both of our 
big anniversaries (their 50th and our 10th). Then I have to fly to 
Singapore for the World Vision triennial conference. So I wouldn’t be 
back home for many weeks and my Washington, D.C., health care provider 
(over the phone) strongly urged me to see a doctor in London before we left.
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I realized then that I was about to have my first encounter with 
SOCIALIZED MEDICINE! Now it’s one thing to advocate health care reform 
in America and even to be politically sympathetic to the idea of a 
single-payer government-supported system like they have in most of the 
world’s developed and civilized countries (such as Canada, Germany, and 
Great Britain). But it was another thing to actually go to the emergency 
room (or ER, but in the U.K. they call it Accident and Emergency) of a 
hospital in the British National Health Service. After all, I had heard 
the horror stories—long waits in incompetent, dirty, and substandard 
medical facilities; bad doctors and faulty diagnoses; and, of course, 
incredible bureaucracies like everything in "socialist systems." Rush 
Limbaugh and every other conservative pundit have warned us all in 
America about the horrific practices of British socialized medicine.
So I prepared myself. I brought a big novel to read, along with my 
eyeglasses, a bottle of water (no telling what they would not have in 
socialized medicine), and emotionally steeled myself for the ordeal. Ann 
Stevens, the Anglican vicar with whom we stay in London (she’s my son 
Luke’s godmother and Joy’s old pal) took me to St. George’s hospital, 
dropped me off at "A and E," and wished me luck at 9 a.m. Hoping I would 
be home that night for dinner, I took a deep breath, walked across the 
street, and made my way into socialized medicine.
The waiting room was actually quite peaceful and not crowded, I noticed, 
as I walked up to reception. The woman at the reception desk smiled. I 
didn’t expect that. "Can I help you?" "Yes," I replied, "you see, I am 
an American—I guess you can tell—and I’m visiting family here—my wife is 
British—and we’re staying with our friend the vicar, and I have a sore 
foot, which I normally wouldn’t worry about but we’re going away for 
several weeks on vacation, and I called my health care provider in the 
U.S., and they told me to come in here and thought I should get an X-ray 
or something." (I wondered for a moment if it would help to tell them 
that I was a friend of the prime minister, but decided not.) "What do 
you need from me?" I asked hesitantly. "Just your name and address," she 
replied with another smile. "Oh ... Okay." She told me it would be about 
10 minutes to see the nurse. "Yeah right," I thought to myself.
I settled into the waiting room chair, looked around at all the people 
who didn’t seem to be in any distress, and opened my book for a good 
long read. It was five minutes before the nurse called me in to a little 
office adjacent to the waiting area, which seemed to be an intake room. 
She was pleasant and professional as she asked me what was wrong, and 
how long I had felt the soreness. She gently examined my foot and then 
told me I would be called in to see a doctor in about 10 minutes. "Sure 
thing," I thought. So I went back out to the waiting room and settled in 
again to read my novel.
It was five minutes before a young woman appeared and called my name, 
"Mr. Wallis?" She was a young Asian doctor named Dr. Gillian Kyei. She 
was also very pleasant and professional, taking time to ask me lots of 
questions about how I might have hurt my foot, etc. She examined the 
injured foot carefully, told me that it didn’t necessarily look broken, 
but that we should get an X-ray to make sure. I waited in her examining 
room for a couple of minutes while she called down to the X-ray 
department to say that I was on the way. Then she came back and escorted 
me herself.
When I got to X-ray, I checked in by just saying my name and took a seat 
in the waiting area. Finally, I was going to get to read my book! But 
five minutes later, the technician came out to bring me in. She took her 
time with me, taking several different angles of my foot. When I was 
done, she sent me back to my young doctor, with another smile.
This time the wait was a full 10 minutes because, I later learned, Dr. 
Kyei was reading the results of my X-ray, which had already been sent to 
her computer. She showed me what looked to her like a fracture of my 
fourth metatarsal bone, but said she wanted to consult with the 
orthopedic specialist. I waited about 10 minutes more while she did that 
and so got a few more pages read.

Re: [Biofuel] Dick Cheney is right

[Mike Weaver]

It was the first time I'd seen it...

Doug Younker wrote:

>Respectfully this is old news.  Americans ignored it when it was trotted 
>out before the run up to the Iraq invasion.  Even with the fact his 
>words have proven true, I doubt that many more Americans are going to 
>care today. I don't believe it would change things if there where. 
>This Administration is suicidally stubborn and this Congress is too 
>timid to figuratively grab the administration by the lapels and throw it 
>against a wall and proceed to pound some sense into it.
>Doug, N0LKK
>Kansas USA inc.
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Re: [Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found

[Mike Weaver]

Huh.  My AK47 is piece of junk - always jamming at the wrong time. 

Jason Mier wrote:

>the RUSSIAN AK47 is the better weapon, but most of the AKs around today are 
>(get this) a cheap Chinese knockoff. Russian designers did a very good job 
>with their firearms, but they never released any specs and all the knockoffs 
>could do was take measurements, and junk metal was cheaper than the good 
>quality materials that Russia used.
>
>
>  
>
>>From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found
>>Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:16:15 +0200
>>
>>
>>I am a bit lost, I thought that AK-47 was the most popular Russian,
>>high quality, reliable weapon. How come that the American lost them.
>>According to the law of business, they should have been destroyed and
>>replaced by an American weapons, which would make the enemy less
>>dangerous. 250,000 bullets/soldier only prove the support of the
>>American industry, I doubt that they have been fired. This means that
>>the average American soldier spent around 23 hours only firing his
>>weapon, sound very high, but the US soldiers are a trigger happy
>>bunch and it is very dangerous to be close to them. The casualties in
>>friendly fire are understandable, but amazing, considering that it is
>>a non drafted and "professional" army. LOL You should also consider
>>that in every war, it is many soldiers that never fire his gun in a
>>real situation.
>>
>>The safety zone around an American soldier must be around 1,000 m, no
>>wonder that they have difficulties getting terrorists and kill so
>>much innocent civilians, who does not know better.
>>
>>Hakan
>>
>>
>>At 16:57 15/08/2007, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm surprised and disappointed at this.  It's totally false and
>>>misleading.  The US has NEVER lost AK-47's in Iraq.
>>>We lose much better weapons.  AK-47's are junk compared to the hardware
>>>WE'VE lost track off.
>>>
>>>If you're going to just fling around anti-Americanism, PLEASE get the
>>>facts straight.
>>>
>>>Jeez,
>>>
>>>-'Merika
>>>
>>>
>>>Keith Addison wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Hello Lee





>It now becomes clear, Bush was right on the money. There are weapons
>of mass destruction and they are still being developed and deployed.
>
>
>  
>
US nuclear weapons being the main example, and I guess the 190,000
guns the US lost in Iraq would also qualify, in sheer number if not
in scale, especially when it emerges that the holy US military shoots
250,000 bullets for every alleged insurgent they kill.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2146645,00.html
Oh well. At least losing all those AK-47s builds a market
Saturday August 11, 2007
The Guardian

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece
US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for
every rebel killed - Independent Online Edition > Americas
26 July 2007

But I get your meaning. It's just that if you're looking for WMDs and
people who're ready to use them it's long been the case that
Washington's the first place to look. In fact that applies to your
meaning for the term here too, the world capital of dangerous and
rash behaviour is Washington.





>The developing countries are following the path of the developed  
>  
>
>>world
>>
>>
>  
>
I don't think so. Some of them are, but even then it's only in part.
India is an industrialised nation but it's also an agrarian society,
and a traditional one, with its own values that don't necessarily
just collapse into those of California wannabes as soon as they see
some Golden Arches and a bottle of Coke. Just as often there's active
resistance.

To say that their most powerful members, India, China, Brazil and
South Africa, are following the path of the developed world would be
a gross simplification.

And "developed" is a very questionable definition, almost Orwellian.
Blind addiction to self-destructive and generally destructive
behaviour is not exactly developed. Better to call them the
industrialised nations.

Anyway the world isn't really made up of nations, that's just a state
of mind, a "sour ferment of the new wine of democracy in the old
bottles of tribalism". Useful for rulers.





>and mass producing greenhouse gasses and other pollutants with
>technology we all know we should no longer be using. As their
>ability  to afford more and consume increases, their medical systems
>improve  their population will boom, compounding the effect.
>
>
>  
>
On the contrary, the evidence shows that as people's economic
situation improves, as so

Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine

[Mike Weaver]

you're being kind...

Jason Mier wrote:

> thats because the old american diesels were poorly designed (being 
> modified gassers) and burned out after a few sickly weak years.
>
>
>> From: Doug Younker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in V6 diesel engine
>> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:15:28 -0500
>>
>>
>>
>> Zeke Yewdall wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I vaguely remember a 6 cylinder 4.3 liter version of the early 80's GM
>> > 5.7 liter diesel but alot of people don't consider those suitable
>> > for running diesel in, let alone biodiesel.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_Diesel_V6_engine supports your
>> recollection. I never knew anyone who owned a vehicle so equipped.
>> Doug, N0LKK
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Re: [Biofuel] I'm tired of being afraid...

[Mike Weaver]

All I fear is fear itself


Fritz Friesinger wrote:

> Hey Doug,
> I'm afraid of only one thing,
> humanity will never learn lessons from the past
> Fritz
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* doug swanson 
> *To:* Biofuel List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:58 PM
> *Subject:* [Biofuel] I'm tired of being afraid...
>
> The following is my attempt at a "chain letter" sort of email.
> Feel free to add to this incomplete list of things not to be
> afraid of.
> Pass it on to someone if you think it's worth the while.
> Or flame me if you think I'm being unpatriotic for not maintaining a
> patriotic sense of fear.
>
> Maybe I'll get it back one day.
> Or not.- - doug
>
>
> I'm tired of being afraid.
> Fear paralyzes.
> I'm over it.
> I'm taking my personal power back from those who peddle fear.
> I'm not afraid of the media's stories.
> I'm not afraid of terrorists.
> I'm not afraid of conspirators.
> I'm not afraid of peak oil.
> I'm not afraid of poisons in the food.
> I'm not afraid of poisons in the air.
> I'm not afraid of poisons in the water.
> I'm not afraid of weird diseases killing everyone.
> I'm not afraid of nuclear disasters.
> I'm not afraid of global warming.
> I'm not afraid of asteroids destroying earth.
> I'm not afraid of burning in hell.
> I'm not afraid of believing the wrong god.
>
> I can do something about some of those dangers.
> About those, I will do something.
>
> I'm not afraid that I can't do something about all of them.
>  
> started Aug 14, 2007
>
> -- 
> Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less.
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>
> All generalizations are false.  Including this one.
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's....

[Mike Weaver]

What you should really be scared of:
The 6 Most Over-Hyped Threats to America (And What Should Scare You 
Instead) 

http://www.cracked.com/index.php?name=News&sid=2312

>>A fear of traffic accidents, paedophiles or bullies, and the growth 
>>of home electronic entertainment, has meant a whole generation are 
>>growing up without the joys of playing free in their neighbourhood. 
>>
>>
>
>BIG SNIP
>
>On a side note;
>
>Here in the US, I have a close and old friend, who's wife
>is an 'education professional' (teacher in old-speek).
>She has spend decades teaching 'Earth Science' to
>secondary school students. (It's funny, as I like to
>think I pay attention to ecological and environmental
>issues, but it's very difficult to suprise her at all)
>
>Anyway, she's been spending this summer at a series of
>lectures and workshops put together to address the fundamental
>changes that have taken place in the way young people learn.
>
>That would be fundamental changes in the way people learn,
>as a direct result in the fundamental changes in they
>they play.
>
>The implications of this stagger me. All implied, but
>I find it pretty staggering none the less.
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[Biofuel] Dick Cheney is right

[Mike Weaver]

I almost never forward these things, but this is unbelieveable.


Click here to check out the video. 
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This weekend, we came across a pretty remarkable snippet of video 
online. You've really got to see it to believe it.

Just click here to check it out:

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Re: [Biofuel] Weapons of mass destruction finally found

[Mike Weaver]

I'm surprised and disappointed at this.  It's totally false and 
misleading.  The US has NEVER lost AK-47's in Iraq.
We lose much better weapons.  AK-47's are junk compared to the hardware 
WE'VE lost track off.

If you're going to just fling around anti-Americanism, PLEASE get the 
facts straight.

Jeez,

-'Merika


Keith Addison wrote:

>Hello Lee
>
>  
>
>>It now becomes clear, Bush was right on the money. There are weapons 
>>of mass destruction and they are still being developed and deployed.
>>
>>
>
>US nuclear weapons being the main example, and I guess the 190,000 
>guns the US lost in Iraq would also qualify, in sheer number if not 
>in scale, especially when it emerges that the holy US military shoots 
>250,000 bullets for every alleged insurgent they kill.
>
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2146645,00.html
>Oh well. At least losing all those AK-47s builds a market
>Saturday August 11, 2007
>The Guardian
>
>http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece
>US forced to import bullets from Israel as troops use 250,000 for 
>every rebel killed - Independent Online Edition > Americas
>26 July 2007
>
>But I get your meaning. It's just that if you're looking for WMDs and 
>people who're ready to use them it's long been the case that 
>Washington's the first place to look. In fact that applies to your 
>meaning for the term here too, the world capital of dangerous and 
>rash behaviour is Washington.
>
>  
>
>>The developing countries are following the path of the developed  world
>>
>>
>
>I don't think so. Some of them are, but even then it's only in part. 
>India is an industrialised nation but it's also an agrarian society, 
>and a traditional one, with its own values that don't necessarily 
>just collapse into those of California wannabes as soon as they see 
>some Golden Arches and a bottle of Coke. Just as often there's active 
>resistance.
>
>To say that their most powerful members, India, China, Brazil and 
>South Africa, are following the path of the developed world would be 
>a gross simplification.
>
>And "developed" is a very questionable definition, almost Orwellian. 
>Blind addiction to self-destructive and generally destructive 
>behaviour is not exactly developed. Better to call them the 
>industrialised nations.
>
>Anyway the world isn't really made up of nations, that's just a state 
>of mind, a "sour ferment of the new wine of democracy in the old 
>bottles of tribalism". Useful for rulers.
>
>  
>
>>and mass producing greenhouse gasses and other pollutants with 
>>technology we all know we should no longer be using. As their 
>>ability  to afford more and consume increases, their medical systems 
>>improve  their population will boom, compounding the effect.
>>
>>
>
>On the contrary, the evidence shows that as people's economic 
>situation improves, as soon as they're not too poverty-stricken to 
>feed their children, their breeding rate slows right down.
>
>The surefire way to do that is to empower the women, and especially 
>to educate the women.
>
>But the usual "wealth creation" method of improving people's economic 
>situation generally just extracts wealth, removes it and concentrates 
>it in the hands of the few, leaving more poverty in its wake. There 
>are better ways.
>
>  
>
>>Have we as a species, reached or exceeded the sustainable population 
>>for our planet?
>>
>>
>
>It depends how big your feet are. I said this here the other day:
>
>  
>
>>... There is NO shortage of food, and there is NO shortage of money, 
>>in fact there's more of both, PER CAPITA, than there's ever been 
>>before. Nor is the human eco-footprint outsized, except for some of 
>>it, which - surprise! - you'll find in exactly the same places where 
>>you'll find all the money, all the food, and all the silly ideas too 
>>that we're a cancer on the face of the planet and a few billion of 
>>us are just going to have to die, pity, but at least it's not us 
>>because we're not poor and starving.
>>
>>
>
>I lifted that from here:
>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg57949.html
>Re: [Biofuel] Overpopulation Off Limits?
>
>Overpopulation is a myth, quite an obnoxious one actually.
>
>  
>
>>We see the depletion of natural resources, in our lifetime, like no  other.
>>
>>
>
>Is that because of human overpopulation, or because some nations are 
>addicted to over-consumption and waste, extracting, consuming and 
>wasting a vastly disproportionate and inequitable "share" of the 
>world's resources?
>
>With 5% of the population consuming 25% of the world's energy supply 
>and emitting a third of the greenhouse gases, the US is way out in 
>front when it comes to over-consumption and waste, especially of 
>other people's resources. But all the industrialised nations are 
>included in that, and you also have to include the elites in the 
>other countries, even when that country's overall footprint is small 
>- and you have to exclude 

Re: [Biofuel] Big Pharma, like Big Oil, owns Congress

[Mike Weaver]

What's the difference between methamphetimine and Adderall?  The name 
and advertising budget...


Kirk McLoren wrote:

>
>
>
>   US Congress: "Under the Influence" of Big Pharma
>
> "In all, at least 15 congressional staffers, congressmen and
> federal officials left to go to work for the pharmaceutical
> industry, whose profits were increased by several billion dollars.
> "I mean, they - they have unlimited resources. Unlimited,"
> [Congressman] Burton says. "And when they push real hard to get
> something accomplished in the Congress of the United States, they
> can get it done." In January, one of the first things the new
> Democratic House of Representatives did was to make it mandatory
> for Medicare to negotiate lower prices with the drug companies.
> But a similar measure was blocked in the Senate, due in part to
> the efforts of the drug lobby." - Steve Kroft, "60 Minutes," CBS
> News
> ,
> July 29, 2007
>
>
> 
> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.
> Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. 
> 
>
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[Biofuel] [Fwd: 40 MPG Weekly Update - U.S.: Leader in Chilled Glove Box Technology - 08/15/07]

[Mike Weaver]

Strange but true




  WEEKLY UPDATE

*U.S.: LEADER IN CHILLED GLOVE BOX TECHNOLOGY*

*August 15, 2007:* The United States may be lagging the rest of the 
world when it comes to vehicle fuel-efficiency innovation ... but we are 
No. 1 when it comes to chilled glove box technology.  As op-ed writer 
Bilal Zuberi points out in the Boston Globe 
:  "Clearly, the barrier to 
improving US fuel economy is not technological; the real obstacle is 
lack of political will. Automakers are demonstrating a remarkable 
ability to resist any changes in mileage standards, and instead they are 
producing larger and heavier cars with unnecessary amenities, such as 
chilled glove boxes. A better way to improve fuel economy would be for 
the government to let market forces do the work, which is what Europe 
has done so successfully over the past few decades." ... Would 
innovation-averse Detroit automakers prefer to see Congress impose a 
more than 50-cent gas tax increase on U.S. consumers, rather than 
improving federal fuel-efficiency standards for vehicles? 
 ... Coming soon to an auto 
dealer near you:  the Smart Car, which "combines a reasonable price, 
less than $12,000 for a base model, excellent gasoline mileage, 40 
mpg-plus combined city-highway, wrapped in a steel cage-like frame with 
the roominess of its cousin, the Mercedes E-Class." 
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Re: [Biofuel] B-99 in my gas tank...

[Mike Weaver]

Also works well as a paint thinner/cleaner

Keith Addison wrote:

>Hello George
>
>  
>
>>A new employee of mine mistakenly put 2 gallons of B99 in the gasoline tank
>>for a small gas-powered reefer unit on our Isuzu NPR.  I'm guessing the mix
>>is now 8 gallons gasoline to 2 gallons BioDiesel.  Do I need to drain the
>>tank, or will it run through OK?
>>
>>Thanks for the input.
>>
>>George
>>www.seabreezefarm.net
>>Vashon Island, WA USA
>>
>>
>
>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#gas
>Biodiesel in gasoline engines
>
>Scroll down to "Biodiesel in 4-stroke gasoline engines".
>
>HTH
>
>Best
>
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Re: [Biofuel] U.S. sends mixed message on climate

[Mike Weaver]

Yeah, you guys do it, and let us know how it turns out...

Keith Addison wrote:

>http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-emissions12aug12, 
>1,523570,full.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage&ctrack=1&cset=true
>U.S. sends mixed message on climate
>As Bush calls on developing nations to curb CO2, two federally 
>controlled agencies are enabling them to emit more.
>
>By Judy Pasternak, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
>August 12, 2007
>
>WASHINGTON -- At the Group of 8 summit of world leaders in June, 
>President Bush repeated his calls for developing nations to curb 
>their emissions of greenhouse gases. Without their cooperation, he 
>said, drastic measures in the United States to battle climate change 
>would make little sense.
>
>"We all can make major strides, and yet there won't be a reduction 
>until China and India are participants," he told reporters.
>
>But just weeks earlier, the U.S. government had pledged to help 
>finance one of the world's most advanced oil refineries, taking shape 
>in Jamnagar, India. The facility, to be completed by December 2008, 
>will not only produce petroleum products, it will annually emit 
>nearly 9 million metric tons of carbon dioxide -- the major 
>contributor to global warming -- into the atmosphere.
>
>That estimate comes from the U.S. Export-Import Bank, which announced 
>$500 million in loan guarantees for the project in May. And those 
>figures do not take into account the emissions from the vehicles that 
>will burn the giant refinery's gasoline, the planes that will fly on 
>its jet fuel or the stoves that use its propane and kerosene.
>
>The Jamnagar refinery is one of hundreds of fossil-fuel projects 
>built with the help of U.S.-controlled funding agencies. Since 1995, 
>when the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 
>agreed there was a "discernible human influence" on global warming, 
>the United States has helped finance power plants, liquefied natural 
>gas processors, oil pipelines and the like in more than 40 countries 
>-- in effect extending America's "carbon footprint" well past this 
>nation's borders.
>
>By calling for developing nations to curb their emissions while 
>simultaneously helping them emit more, "we're being hypocritical," 
>said David Waskow, international policy director for the Friends of 
>the Earth environmental group.
>
>The 73-year-old Export-Import Bank and the Overseas Private 
>Investment Corp., founded in 1971, were established to use loan 
>guarantees, insurance and other financial tools to promote U.S. 
>exports, encourage economic development in emerging markets and 
>support America's foreign policy. Between them, they say they have 
>generated nearly $470 billion in exports.
>
>But they also have been controversial, derided by critics as engaging 
>in "corporate welfare." Many firms that benefit from the agencies' 
>energy projects -- including Halliburton Co., Bechtel Corp. and Exxon 
>Mobil Corp. -- already earn huge profits.
>
>"The problem right now is that we think about India needing more 
>refinery capacity without thinking through a total energy package for 
>India, with biofuels or carbon sequestration," said Mark Helmke, a 
>senior staffer for Republicans on the Senate Foreign Relations 
>Committee. "People aren't looking at this in a holistic way. They're 
>looking at it in a scattershot way."
>
>He added: "There's a lack of White House leadership on these issues."
>
>The federal government has promoted sales of clean-energy technology 
>abroad -- indeed, the Commerce Department led 17 companies on a 
>clean-energy trade mission to China and India in April -- but that 
>effort has been dwarfed by support for fossil fuels.
>
>In 2005, more than $3 billion in financing for the international oil 
>and gas industry was provided by the Export-Import Bank and the 
>Overseas Private Investment Corp. And that does not include projects 
>funded by the World Bank Group, which is an international body that 
>is heavily influenced by its largest shareholder, the United States.
>
> From 1995 to 2006, the Ex-Im Bank and OPIC provided more than $21 
>billion in loans and loan guarantees for oil refineries, pipeline 
>projects, liquefied natural gas plants and electric power plants 
>around the world.
>
>A snapshot of the environmental impact can be seen in a sample of 
>projects subsidized in Russia, Mexico, Venezuela, Algeria, China, 
>Brazil, Turkey and India. Those 48 projects alone will be responsible 
>for at least 12 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions over 
>their lifetime, or at least 600 million metric tons annually, 
>according to a Times analysis of data provided by Friends of the 
>Earth. The organization used data from the lending agencies' records, 
>and emissions were calculated by analyst Richard Heede of Climate 
>Mitigation Services, a private Colorado firm. CO2 figures were not 
>available for more than 150 additional projects in those eight 
>countries.
>
>He

Re: [Biofuel] International Biodiesel Day

[Mike Weaver]

You just can't count on anyone these days - but was it from an African 
fire-starting procedure that he got the idea?


Keith Addison wrote:

>Hello Mike
>
>  
>
>>On this day in 1893 Rudolf Dieselís engine ran for the first time, and
>>it ran on peanut oil. So today we celebrate ìInternational Biodiesel
>>Dayî and raise our glasses to the genius of using fuel that grows back!
>>
>>Praise the Lard!
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel#Historical_background
>>
>>
>
>:-) And tally the tallow - sorry, but it's a myth.
>
>Rudolf Diesel patents the diesel engine in 1893.
>
>Diesel is awarded the Grand Prix at both Paris World Fairs (1900 and 
>1910) for inventing and developing his engine.
>
>But he didn't run it on peanut oil. The true story:
>
>"... excerpts from some of Dr Diesel's work, that he published 1912 
>and 1913, where he states that it was the Otto Company that ran one 
>of his engines on peanut oil at the request of the French government 
>during the 1900 World Fair. He later conducted some trails where he 
>determined fuel consumption and assessed operability. He also 
>mentions similar successful experiments in St. Petersburg using 
>castor oil and animal oils." - Darren Hill
>
>"It WASN'T him! I recently borrowed his book "The Development of the 
>Diesel Engine" -afaik the last one he published until he drowned 
>himself in the Channel. All kinds of fuels that had been tested are 
>described there, from coal dust over weird chemical mixtures that had 
>been sent to Diesel by the industry to all sorts of crude oil and 
>even tar-oil. Vegoil just got about 4 lines- remarking that it was 
>the French "Otto-Company" (yes the Otto-engine!) that ran Diesel's 
>engine on peanut oil: "The engine was built for crude oil and was 
>used without any modification on vegoil."..."it worked so well that 
>only a few insiders took notice of this insignificant circumstance." 
>(Diesel, Rudolf. 1913. Die Entstehung des Dieselmotors" 1st reprint 
>by Braun, Hans-Joachim (Ed). 1984. Moers: Steiger. Page 115.)." - 
>Stephan Helbig
>
>It'll be a long time before wikipedia gets to be much more than 
>knowledge-lite, IMHO.
>
>"Worldwide production of vegetable oil and animal fat is not yet 
>sufficient to replace liquid fossil fuel use."
>
>Yet? LOL! So all we have to do is wait a bit, what a relief.
>
>5,000 gal/acre from algae, sigh...
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
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[Biofuel] I'm ready to settle this once and for all

[Mike Weaver]

Thanks for the write up - has anyone mixed all this discussion up and 
settled out the most salient points?


Joe Street wrote:

> Thanks a lot Tom for all that work in a short time.  You have really 
> shed some light on this discussion.  Jumping to your questions at the 
> end, it seems clear then that Jan and Andres were right on and it must 
> be the soap and mono-diglycerides etc rather than the glycerine itself 
> which is the culprit..  It also seems to confirm or at least not in 
> conflict with the theory that glycerin settles more slowly from 
> incomplete reactions.  I have never done anything with straight 
> glycerol just the cocktail but it does contain soap al lots of other 
> things.  Small amounts of it have a large impact and it appears that 
> incomplete reactions result in a significant amount of it remaining in 
> the fuel after a prolonged period.  I normally allow about 12 hours 
> for settling (at least) and when the reaction is good an agressive 
> pump wash is no problem.  One of the aims of my project was to reduce 
> cycle time so I really don't want to wait 24 or more hours because 
> sometimes time is not free as Keith had put it. 
>
> Was going to add more but time's up and the door to my cage is OPEN!  
> Have a good weekend
>
> Joe
>
> Thomas Kelly wrote:
>
>> Andres, Jan, Joe, Keith, and anyone else who has been following the saga,
>>  
>>  It would seem that glycerine, itself, is not an effective 
>> emulsifier.
>>  
>> I've spent the morning "experimenting" in the kitchen. I did "Wash 
>> Tests" on BD that passed the QT and BD that failed the QT. I tested 
>> one group with glycerine split from the cocktail (using Phosphoric 
>> Acid) and another group with unsplit Glycerin "cocktail".
>>  
>> Volumes used:
>> Biodiesel 150 ml
>> Water 150 ml
>> Glycerin (split and unsplit)  4 ml
>>  
>> Temp:  70F  (~22C)
>>  
>> I. Glycerin split from the cocktail (used Phosphoric Acid):
>>Controls:   Time for clear 
>> separation (min)
>>good quality BD +  water  1 - 2
>>poor quality BD  +  water  3 - 4
>>  
>>Experimental:
>>good quality BD + water + glycerine (split) less than 5
>>poor quality BD  + water + glycerine (split) less than 5
>>  
>> II Glycerin Cocktail:
>>good quality BD + water + glycerine cocktail   > 2 hours*
>>poor quality BD  + water + glycerine cocktail   > 2 hours*
>>  
>> * At 2 hours there is a thin layer of BD (1 - 2 mm) The rest appears 
>> to be an emulsion.
>>  
>>  Andres and Jan, you are correct. Glycerin, itself, did 
>> little to retard separation of BD and water.
>>  
>>  Something in the "cocktail" does seem to be an emulsifier. (The 
>> soaps??)
>>  
>> Some questions remain:
>> 1. The BD that failed the QT (incomplete reaction) was obtained from 
>> a tank that feeds my heating system. It contains unreacted 
>> glycerides, but does not produce an emulsion when shaken in water, 
>> nor did it produce emulsions when it was stir-washed. Why not?
>> 2. At Joe Street's suggestion I took a sample of BD that had settled 
>> for about 10 hours. Twelve hours later, more "glycerin" had settled 
>> out. Today, still another 24 hours later, even more has settled out. 
>> Could this small amount of unsplit glycerine (with associated soaps) 
>> be the cause of the emulsions I got when I started making BD? It 
>> would explain why settling for a day or more seems to eliminate the 
>> problem.
>> 3. Does the glycerine mix (or soaps) settle out more slowly in BD 
>> from incomplete reactions?
>>  
>>  Tom
>>  
>>  
>>
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[Biofuel] International Biodiesel Day

[Mike Weaver]

On this day in 1893 Rudolf Diesel’s engine ran for the first time, and 
it ran on peanut oil. So today we celebrate “International Biodiesel 
Day” and raise our glasses to the genius of using fuel that grows back!

Praise the Lard!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel#Historical_background


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[Biofuel] The Bush Family America Doesn’t Know

[Mike Weaver]

  It's like a Hardy novel...


  The Bush Family America Doesn’t Know

*Lynn Stuter*

In 1938, William Dodd, ambassador to Germany, sent President Franklin 
Delano Roosevelt the following message:

"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state 
to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the 
fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in 
my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling 
families are to the Nazi regime A prominent executive of one of the 
largest corporations, told me point blank that he would be ready to take 
definite action to bring fascism into America if President Roosevelt 
continued his progressive policies. Certain American industrialists had 
a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both 
Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of 
power, and they are helping to keep it there. Propagandists for fascist 
groups try to dismiss the fascist scare. We should be aware of the 
symptoms. When industrialists ignore laws designed for social and 
economic progress they will seek recourse to a fascist state when the 
institutions of our government compel them to comply with the provisions."

In 1933, Marine Corp Major General Smedley Butler was approached by a 
cabal of influential American bankers and industrialists working under 
the umbrella of the front group, American Liberty League. Their request 
of Butler: that he lead a 500,000 strong force of rogue veterans in a 
coup against FDR and the legal American government. The intent of this 
cabal, already supporting the efforts of Hitler and Mussolini in Europe, 
was to instill a government not unlike that of Hitler and Mussolini in 
the United States.

Butler went along with the scheme until he was able to ascertain who the 
participants were. He then blew the whistle on this group before the 
House Committee on un-American Activities. For his efforts, Butler was 
ostracized and black-balled by the mainstream media; his testimony 
before the House Committee on un-American Activities was omitted from 
the record. The cabal was never brought to justice, but the coup was foiled.

Who were the American bankers and industrialists involved in this plot 
to overthrow the legal government of the United States? According to 
Wikipedia, while most of the funding came from the Du Pont family, 
participants included U.S. Steel, General Motors, General Foods, 
Standard Oil, Birdseye, Colgate, Heinz Foods, Chase National Bank, and 
Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company.

And among the participants in this coup attempt was one Prescott Bush, 
father of George Herbert Walker Bush, 41st president of the United 
States, grandfather of George W Bush, current president of the United 
States. Prescott Bush was not only instrumental in bringing Hitler to 
power in Germany, Mussolini to power in Italy, but was also plotting to 
overthrow the legal government of the United States and establish a 
fascist state here. Prescott Bush served as a Senator from Connecticut 
and was a partner in the prominent investment banking firm Brown 
Brothers Harriman.
  It was from the lips of George Herbert Walker Bush that the American 
people heard the phrase, “New World Order.” And America watched as GHW 
Bush passed the reins of power to his “good friend who is like a member 
of the family,” William Jefferson Clinton, who then passed the reins on 
to George Walker Bush in what can only be termed a fraud-ridden 
election, re-elected for a second term in the same manner.

Under the reign of George Walker Bush, we have watched him wage war on 
America, the American people, and American sovereignty; we have watched 
him institute executive order after executive order in his pursuit of 
absolute power, labeling himself “the decider” while the American 
legislative branch does absolutely nothing to curtail his abuse of 
power. His actions mirror those of Hitler in his quest for power in Germany.

And just like Hitler, Bush is using fear to keep the American people 
supporting his un-American activities, starting with the events of 
September 11, 2001. And every time Bush wants something more, another 
threat emerges and Congress and the American people, with few 
exceptions, fall in step. Yet the greatest threat to the American 
people, American sovereignty, the American way of life sits in the White 
House, not in Iraq, not in Afghanistan, not in the Middle East.

And if the reins of power are passed from George Walker Bush, which many 
at this point have serious doubts will happen, given Bush’s ability to 
wage war on the American people through terrorism and the American 
people’s willingness to blame the same on foreign born terrorists, that 
power will be passed, by corrupted balloting if necessary, to Hillary 
Rodham Clinton, protégé of self-avowed Marxist Saul Alinsky, who, in his 
book, Rules for Radicals, paid homage to Lucifer as 

Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Quality Test

[Mike Weaver]

Well, I'm not really a greybeard, but since I've been settling both the 
crack and the wash I haven't seen any white gunk in the clear filter.

-M


Thomas Kelly wrote:

>Mike,
>I let mine settle for a week when I can. It washes  much easier. I doubt 
>that it does anything for an incomplete reaction though. That is to say, I 
>don't think the unreacted oil will settle out.
>
>But:
>I have been wondering about something.
>When I started making BD it would never pass the methanol quality test.
>I inevitably got emulsions in the wash. Now, when I make BD for my 
>"oil"-fired boiler, I use only about 16-17% (vol/vol) of methanol. The BD 
>does not pass the quality test, but I don't have the same emulsion problems. 
>Is it because I let it settle longer  (24+ hours vs 6 - 8 hrs)?
>Does the presence of a small amount of glycerine/soaps make that much of 
>a difference when trying to wash BD from an incomplete reaction?
>
>      Tom
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 2:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Quality Test
>
>
>  
>
>>FWIW - I let the batch settle for a week or so (the lazy man's way) and
>>that also seems to help w/ this.
>>
>>
>>Thomas Kelly wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Shawn,
>>>
>>>I suspect that the "dense substance at the bottom of the flask" was
>>>unreacted glycerides, indicating an incomplete reaction.
>>>
>>>I now drain a sample of the mix towards the end of processing.
>>>- Shut off the pump
>>>- Drain a sample and turn the pump back on
>>>- Allow the glycerin to settle for a few minutes
>>>- Perform Jan W's quality test on the top (crude BD) layer
>>>
>>>There is still glycerin in the mix, but if I have succeeded in 
>>>getting
>>>a complete reaction, I do not get an insoluble residue on the bottom.
>>>
>>>I repeat the test after washing the BD. It is a quick, easy test, and
>>>the
>>>result, whether it passed or failed can be added to the methoxide for your
>>>next batch  .  no wasted methanol, costs nothing to perform the test.
>>> Best to You,
>>>   Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>- Original Message - 
>>>From: "shawn patrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: "Biofuel Mailing List" 
>>>Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:03 AM
>>>Subject: [Biofuel] Biofuel Quality Test
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>>Good Day All,
>>>>
>>>>My question is in regards to the Quality test develop by Jan Warnqvist. 
>>>>Is
>>>>this test to be performed on the product before or after the glycerin has
>>>>been removed, or does it matter. I performed the test with out removing
>>>>glycerin and found that I got a clear bright phase except you could tell
>>>>that there was a more dense substance at the bottom of the flask. I
>>>>assumed
>>>>that was the glycerin since just extracted a sample from the process
>>>>without
>>>>separating BD from glycerin. Does the glycerin dissolve in the methanol??
>>>>Was I looking at the unprocessed materials in my BD??
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>
>>>>Shawn Patrick
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water

[Mike Weaver]

The little island in Maine my family hails from did that as a joke - 
they have a large fresh water pond and bottled and sold the water in the 
one store.
Made a pretty penny.  Of course, the water does taste good, but it's the 
same stuff that comes out of the tap in the houses.

-Mike

Joe Street wrote:

>LOL LOL but the best one is Evian water.  Evian is NAIVE spelled 
>backwards!!  Perfect. (said it here b4)
> BTW here are some locals who are not just emailing web forums on this 
>issue.  Take action.  It is amazing how fast theis group mobilized and 
>how much effect they are having.
>
>http://www.wellingtonwaterwatchers.ca/
>
>Joe
>
>Thomas Kelly wrote:
>
>Big SNIP
>
>  
>
>>But out of curiosity, would my water company be putting  water from a 
>>tap into plastic bottles and then transporting it over great distances to be 
>>sold to an unsuspecting public? Would we run adds on TV, in magazines, and 
>>on billboards suggesting that this is "special" water. Would we have 
>>athletes, beautiful models, even movie stars giving testimonies as to how 
>>"special" this bottled water was. What would we call it? Aquafina and Dasani 
>>are real cool names, but they're already taken. Somehow "Tom's Tap" doesn't 
>>sound "special" enough even though it is real good water.
>>As a friend, who used to be in advertising often says: "Image and logo 
>>recognition."
>>
>>Gotta go work on the logo.
>>   Tom
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Quality Test

[Mike Weaver]

FWIW - I let the batch settle for a week or so (the lazy man's way) and 
that also seems to help w/ this.


Thomas Kelly wrote:

>Shawn,
>
> I suspect that the "dense substance at the bottom of the flask" was 
>unreacted glycerides, indicating an incomplete reaction.
>
> I now drain a sample of the mix towards the end of processing.
> - Shut off the pump
> - Drain a sample and turn the pump back on
> - Allow the glycerin to settle for a few minutes
> - Perform Jan W's quality test on the top (crude BD) layer
>
> There is still glycerin in the mix, but if I have succeeded in getting 
>a complete reaction, I do not get an insoluble residue on the bottom.
>
> I repeat the test after washing the BD. It is a quick, easy test, and 
>the
>result, whether it passed or failed can be added to the methoxide for your 
>next batch  .  no wasted methanol, costs nothing to perform the test.
>  Best to You,
>Tom
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "shawn patrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Biofuel Mailing List" 
>Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:03 AM
>Subject: [Biofuel] Biofuel Quality Test
>
>
>  
>
>>Good Day All,
>>
>>My question is in regards to the Quality test develop by Jan Warnqvist. Is
>>this test to be performed on the product before or after the glycerin has
>>been removed, or does it matter. I performed the test with out removing
>>glycerin and found that I got a clear bright phase except you could tell
>>that there was a more dense substance at the bottom of the flask. I 
>>assumed
>>that was the glycerin since just extracted a sample from the process 
>>without
>>separating BD from glycerin. Does the glycerin dissolve in the methanol??
>>Was I looking at the unprocessed materials in my BD??
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Shawn Patrick
>>
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] VW Passat TDi

[Mike Weaver]

 From my experience it's probably caused by a slightly incomplete 
reaction or a bad wash.

YMMV

Andres Secco wrote:

>Right. I saw it transparent also  like gelatine.
>Potato protein or animal protein, Animal is white. Depends on what was fried 
>with the raw oil.
>
>
>Is it clogged with a whitish-looking gel?
>
>Andres Secco wrote:
>
>  
>
>>If it is 100% biodiesel can be  the fuel filter. This device is clogged by
>>some incomplete reacted portions of the oil.
>>There are some proteins wich forms a gelatine around the filtering system.
>>It is a common problem and can be solved in the biodiesel factory adding
>>some products to precipitate proteins.
>>If it is 20% blend there is a poor biodiesel manufacturing practice to save
>>methanol or dirty oil being used and unproperly treated before reaction.
>>
>>- Original Message - 
>>From: "fox mulder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: 
>>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:15 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] VW Passat TDi
>>
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>>
>>>Dear All,
>>>I have VW Passat TDi. I have been using the biodiesel
>>>for 2 and 1/2 years, I find that the fuel filter
>>>begins to clog up after 6 months. Loss of power
>>>becomes apparent. Further at speed fuel supply cuts
>>>off. After coming to a halt, the car does not start
>>>again. After half an hour, the car restarts. Does any
>>>one know whether its the fuel filter or the fuel pump?
>>>regards
>>>
>>>fox
>>>
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Re: [Biofuel] VW Passat TDi

[Mike Weaver]

Is it clogged with a whitish-looking gel?

Andres Secco wrote:

>If it is 100% biodiesel can be  the fuel filter. This device is clogged by 
>some incomplete reacted portions of the oil.
>There are some proteins wich forms a gelatine around the filtering system. 
>It is a common problem and can be solved in the biodiesel factory adding 
>some products to precipitate proteins.
>If it is 20% blend there is a poor biodiesel manufacturing practice to save 
>methanol or dirty oil being used and unproperly treated before reaction.
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "fox mulder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:15 PM
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] VW Passat TDi
>
>
>  
>
>>Dear All,
>>I have VW Passat TDi. I have been using the biodiesel
>>for 2 and 1/2 years, I find that the fuel filter
>>begins to clog up after 6 months. Loss of power
>>becomes apparent. Further at speed fuel supply cuts
>>off. After coming to a halt, the car does not start
>>again. After half an hour, the car restarts. Does any
>>one know whether its the fuel filter or the fuel pump?
>>regards
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] VW Passat TDi

[Mike Weaver]

Also check the fuel return system - the filter has a return - be sure 
the lines are clear.  I added an inexpensive and (easily replaced) clear 
inline filter before the big expensive filter and I've never had any 
problems with the main fuel filter.  When I did finally change it at 60k 
, it had a fair amount of gunk in it but was still working.
If you fiddle with your fuel lines remember to clamp the line leading 
out of the filter and into the pump so it doesn't fill up w/ air.

Kirk McLoren wrote:

> The only auto problem similar to what you describe that I am familiar 
> with was a friend changed his gas cap and the new one wasnt 
> venting. The engine would starve and after a while enough air got in 
> the tank that you could start it. I guess some tanks have a vent 
> separate from the cap.
>  
> Kirk
>
> */fox mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
> Dear All,
> I have VW Passat TDi. I have been using the biodiesel
> for 2 and 1/2 years, I find that the fuel filter
> begins to clog up after 6 months. Loss of power
> becomes apparent. Further at speed fuel supply cuts
> off. After coming to a halt, the car does not start
> again. After half an hour, the car restarts. Does any
> one know whether its the fuel filter or the fuel pump?
> regards
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water

[Mike Weaver]

It's been my experience that if given the choice between a USD 50k 
granite and Viking kitchen, or USD 50k worth of
energy-saving upgrades, the kitchen wins everytime.


Hakan Falk wrote:

>So, it is the building code and inspection regime that does not work.
>With a good building code and inspection regime, the basic standard
>is set to meet the needs of the buyer and the state, It brings a leveled
>play ground for the contractors, who cannot afford to not meet the code,
>but price differences are then smaller,
>
>Hakan
>
>
>
>At 06:38 PM 8/6/2007, you wrote:
>  
>
>>It's not so much the construction that I think gets shortchanged, as
>>the design.  Most construction workers I've met, even illegal
>>immigrants getting pretty bad pay, take pride in their work, and they
>>wouldn't build a crappy house on purpose.  However, if it's designed
>>with only R-25 insulation and no low-e windows, that's what they put
>>in there.  It's the design decisions where I think that eventual owner
>>is getting cheated.  Code is good for making sure houses don't fall
>>down, but they are not very stringent for energy efficiency or such...
>>
>>And to some extent, you can't completely blame the developers, because
>>they are only building what people want.  People, when they are
>>looking at a new house, don't even ask about the efficiency -- so,
>>yes, if the buyers were more informed, the builders would have some
>>motivation to address those concerns.
>>
>>
>>On 8/6/07, Jeromie Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 8/6/07, Zeke Yewdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>  
>>>
On 8/5/07, Andres Secco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



>>> In planning a house, an apartment building, even a 
>>>  
>>>
>>shopping mall,
>>
>>
>>>one
>>>should not even CONSIDER water quality that is available. ???
>>>  
>>>
>>In a house, the designer, builder, contractors, NO they should not
>>unless the building owner wants them to. Why should it be the
>>responsibility of anyone except the land owner, or the person
>>commissioning the house?
>>
>>
Very few houses in the US are built under direction of the eventual
landowner or person who will live in the house.  They are built by
developers who's only goal is to make money.   Not provide housing.
Since the buyer is unknown, and probably not that well educated on
details on construction, they can cut alot of corners and usually end
up building houses that really should be bulldozed the minute that are
completed.   Insulation... why put that in -- no one thinks about that
till they get their first heating bill.  Efficient appliances?  Water
quality?  Same thing.   The average potential house buyer will no
notice their lack until it's too late, so don't bother spending money
there.   Fancier countertops will be noticed by the potential buyer up
front, so that's a much better place to spend money in the
construction.


>>>I agree that happens. There are some HUD houses in town where I have
>>>clients and the work there was sub standard. The guy I bought my house
>>>from is a framer and I can promise the house he works on do not get
>>>short changed. Sure the primary contractor on the job wants to make
>>>money (just like most of us) but he is not a crook. The building
>>>inspector makes sure things are to code and not a crappy job. They
>>>inspect at many stages of the building process. The guy who was on the
>>>job when the HUD houses were built has since been let go. IMO they
>>>should have made the contractors rebuild the HUD homes but people were
>>>lazy from top to bottom.In my experience a majority of construction
>>>companies are not thieves. My friend that does home evaluations picks
>>>up on short cuts and the price of the house will reflect it. Anyone
>>>who is buying a home should have a independent inspector/evaluator. If
>>>they do not they have only them selves to blame. Its not like this
>>>information is secret, any realestate company should be able to get
>>>you in contact with a few.[my opinion] I think this comes back
>>>primarily to people being lazy.
>>>
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Re: [Biofuel] re-powering a boat

[Mike Weaver]

Re-fit with a Yanmar and run biodiesel

Jason Mier wrote:

> i have just come across a fair sized boat(33ft), but "basket case" 
> doesnt even begin to cover the condition its in. i was wondering, 
> since it will be a total rebuild, what hardware would be better for a 
> plugin gas/electric repowering. im not too fond of a 3.5mpg fuel use, 
> but i love spending weekends on the river. any suggestions?
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Re: [Biofuel] Magic Compost Enhancer

[Mike Weaver]

Foxfire.  Used to be my bible - are they still around?

-Weaver

Doug Younker wrote:

>robert and benita rabello wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>>Indeed!  And they need "technology" to separate urine?  Grief!  A 
>>plastic jugg next to the toilet will do.  This saves water, and my maize 
>>plants are SO much happier . . .
>>
>>robert luis rabello
>>
>>
>
>In the event Law enforcement ever sees your urine collection, you may be 
>a terrorist suspect or suspect of operating a meth lab. Urine can be 
>processed to extract potassium nitrate.  Volume 5 of the Foxfire book 
>series details how it was done in the old days for use in manufacturing 
>black powder. apearently the urine from met users is processed to 
>recover ephedrine
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Re: [Biofuel] biofuel specific?

[Mike Weaver]

If you switch to a linux-based email system you could use procmail to 
filter the messages for you...otherwise I am sure you can set up filters 
in Microsoft Outhouse
er, Outlook and numerous other clients...

-Weaver

Kurt Schasker wrote:

>
>
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> participated. 
>  
> I am wondering if there is some way I could filter the posts to
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> However, this list has active threads going right now on solar
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> outboard motors, and hemp, just to name a few.  By my definition,
> these ar not biofuel topics.  Of course, the readers of this
> listserve may have different definitions.
>  
> So, once again, I do not want anything changed, I just wondered if
> anyone knows a way I could digitally filter out the non-biofuel
> posts so I can read what I want?
>  
> The shear volume of posts on this listserve is quite intimidating,
> and so, I am afraid, I often ignore this listserve as a result.
>  
> Please accept my apologies, in advance, if this post is at all
> presumptuous or offensive.
>  
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Re: [Biofuel] Totally off topic - Outboard motor question

[Mike Weaver]

Second question:

what size boat would it drive?  Flat water mostly for fishing.  Slow river
with medium current.

> Yeah yeah, and most diesel mechanics are in full agreement that
> biodiesel will destroy diesel engines too...
>
> Z
>
> On 7/9/07, Fred Oliff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Having read some publications at marinas I have been at this summer, the
>> manufacturers are issuing dire warnings about the use of ethanol. They
>> are
>> in full agreement against its use.
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> To:  biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> Subject:  [Biofuel] Totally off topic - Outboard motor question
>> Date:  Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:03:43 -0500
>> >Anyone know anything about outboard motors?  And boats?  And whether
>> aarniong
>> >15 HP 4 stroke Mercury would run on ethanol?
>> >
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Re: [Biofuel] The Dark Side of Soy now milk

[Mike Weaver]

FWIW - I can't see the point of cooking most food.  Just today at the 4th
of July picnic I had to hide my corn so it wouldn't get cooked.  For some
reason it *really* irritates people if you eat raw corn.  They all watch
you and made comments.  Of course, they're all fat, have heart disease,
high blood pressure and asthma...


> http://www.realmilk.com/milkcure.html - notice it is raw milk and not what
> you find in the supers.
>   Meat or milk is basically unfit for consumprtion, but lest we think we
> can be vegans consider the ecoli in spinach and the hepatitis from
> strawberries recently. Industry sees keeping a clean operation as a
> money loser.Thats why we have dropped out.
>
>   We have a 5 year old jersey, a former Tillamook cow who now eats green
> grass (and apples when my grandson sees her) instead of a high protein
> grain and silage in a cow barn. Needless to say she is very healthy and
> we just hade home made ice cream made from - God forbid! - real raw
> cream, raw eggs and raw apricots. We grew all of it. Our birds are
> healthy too. Salmonella BTW usually isnt from eggs.
>   The ice cream was delicious. The stuff in the stores is poisonous to my
> estimation. Oh - there was a bit of maple syrup and vanilla in the first
> batch. Very nice but the apricots are better.
>   We make our own butter too. And I can honestly say from a contented cow.
> She is a family pet.
>   Dairy cattle lead a hell of a life. They live on concrete with a bit of
> straw. The ration they eat is to psh milk production and some herds are
> Monsanto - those poor devils are constantly on antibiotics due to
> mastitis. Cruelty to animals, no doubt about it. Monsanto needs to be
> dismantled. The proceeds from the sale should then be given to
> Monsanto's victims.
>
>   Come out of her lest ye partake of her plagues.
>
>   Kirk
>
> Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Actually, I think soy being touted as a "good source of protein" for us
> poor meat-deprived vegetarians is a crock. As far as I can tell, there is
> no danger of developing "protein deficiency" or Kwashiorkor unless you
> really work at it. It almost always accompanies caloric deficiency, and
> is virtually unheard of in the US:
> See - http://www.duke.edu/web/planv/realities.html
> # Disease linked to inadequate protein consumption: Kwashiorkor
> # Number of cases of kwashiorkor in United States: Virtually none
>
> Of course, if you really want a fun read, "google somatic cell count and
> milk"
>
> -Weaver
>
>
>
>> See:
>>
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg44820.html
>> RE: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms ... and vegetarians
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>>The Dark Side of Soy
>>>Is America's favorite health food making us sick?
>>>—By Mary Vance, Terrain
>>>Utne Reader July / August 2007 Issue
>>>http://www.utne.com/issues/2007_142/features/12607-1.html
>>>As someone who is conscious of her health, I spent 13 years cultivating
>>>a vegetarian diet. I took time to plan and balance meals that included
>>>products such as soy milk, soy yogurt, tofu, and Chick'n patties. I
>>>pored over labels looking for words I couldn't pronounce--occasionally
>>>one or two would pop up. Soy protein isolate? Great! They've isolated
>>>the protein from the soybean to make it more concentrated. Hydrolyzed
>>>soy protein? I never successfully rationalized that one, but I wasn't
>>>too worried. After all, in 1999 the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
>>>approved labeling I found on nearly every soy product I purchased:
>>>"Diets low in saturated fat and cholesterol that include 25 grams of soy
>>>protein a day may reduce the risk of heart disease." Soy ingredients
>>>weren't only safe--they were beneficial.
>>>After years of consuming various forms of soy nearly every day, I felt
>>>reasonably fit, but somewhere along the line I'd stopped menstruating. I
>>>couldn't figure out why my stomach became so upset after I ate edamame
>>>or why I was often moody and bloated. It didn't occur to me at the time
>>>to question soy, heart protector and miracle food.
>>>When I began studying holistic health and nutrition, I kept running
>>>across risks associated with eating soy. Endocrine disruption? Check.
>>>Digestive problems? Check. I researched soy's deleterious effects on
>>>thyroid, fertility, hormones, sex drive, digestion, and even its
>>>potential to contribute to certain cancers. For ev

Re: [Biofuel] The Dark Side of Soy

[Mike Weaver]

Actually, I think soy being touted as a "good source of protein" for us
poor meat-deprived vegetarians is a crock.  As far as I can tell, there is
no danger of developing "protein deficiency" or Kwashiorkor unless you
really work at it.  It almost always accompanies caloric deficiency, and
is virtually unheard of in the US:
See - http://www.duke.edu/web/planv/realities.html
# Disease linked to inadequate protein consumption: Kwashiorkor
# Number of cases of kwashiorkor in United States: Virtually none

Of course, if you really want a fun read, "google somatic cell count and
milk"

-Weaver



> See:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg44820.html
> RE: [Biofuel] Cleaning Up Factory Farms ... and vegetarians
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
>>The Dark Side of Soy
>>Is America's favorite health food making us sick?
>>—By Mary Vance, Terrain
>>Utne Reader July / August 2007 Issue
>>http://www.utne.com/issues/2007_142/features/12607-1.html
>>As someone who is conscious of her health, I spent 13 years cultivating
>>a vegetarian diet. I took time to plan and balance meals that included
>>products such as soy milk, soy yogurt, tofu, and Chick'n patties. I
>>pored over labels looking for words I couldn't pronounce--occasionally
>>one or two would pop up. Soy protein isolate? Great! They've isolated
>>the protein from the soybean to make it more concentrated. Hydrolyzed
>>soy protein? I never successfully rationalized that one, but I wasn't
>>too worried. After all, in 1999 the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
>>approved labeling I found on nearly every soy product I purchased:
>>"Diets low in saturated fat and cholesterol that include 25 grams of soy
>>protein a day may reduce the risk of heart disease." Soy ingredients
>>weren't only safe--they were beneficial.
>>After years of consuming various forms of soy nearly every day, I felt
>>reasonably fit, but somewhere along the line I'd stopped menstruating. I
>>couldn't figure out why my stomach became so upset after I ate edamame
>>or why I was often moody and bloated. It didn't occur to me at the time
>>to question soy, heart protector and miracle food.
>>When I began studying holistic health and nutrition, I kept running
>>across risks associated with eating soy. Endocrine disruption? Check.
>>Digestive problems? Check. I researched soy's deleterious effects on
>>thyroid, fertility, hormones, sex drive, digestion, and even its
>>potential to contribute to certain cancers. For every study that proved
>>a connection between soy and reduced disease risk another cropped up to
>>challenge the claims. What was going on?
>>"Studies showing the dark side of soy date back 100 years," says
>>clinical nutritionist Kaayla Daniel, author of The Whole Soy Story (New
>>Trends, 2005). "The 1999 FDA-approved health claim pleased big business,
>>despite massive evidence showing risks associated with soy, and against
>>the protest of the FDA's own top scientists. Soy is a $4 billion [U.S.]
>>industry that's taken these health claims to the bank." Besides
>>promoting heart health, the industry says, soy can alleviate symptoms
>>associated with menopause, reduce the risk of certain cancers, and lower
>>levels of LDL, the "bad" cholesterol.
>>Epidemiological studies have shown that Asians, particularly in Japan
>>and China, have a lower incidence of breast and prostate cancer than
>>people in the United States, and many of these studies credit a
>>traditional diet that includes soy. But Asian diets include small
>>amounts--about nine grams a day--of primarily fermented soy products,
>>such as miso, natto, and tempeh, and some tofu. Fermenting soy creates
>>health-promoting probiotics, the good bacteria our bodies need to
>>maintain digestive and overall wellness. By contrast, in the United
>>States, processed soy food snacks or shakes can contain over 20 grams of
>>nonfermented soy protein in one serving.
>>"There is important information on the cancer-protective values of soy,"
>>says clinical nutritionist Ed Bauman, head of Bauman Clinic in
>>Sebastopol, California, and director of Bauman College. Bauman cautions
>>against painting the bean with a broad brush. "As with any food, it can
>>have benefits in one system and detriments in another. [An individual
>>who is sensitive to it] may have an adverse response to soy. And not all
>>soy is alike," he adds, referring to processing methods and quality.
>>"Soy is not a food that is native to North America or Europe, and you
>>have issues when you move food from one part of the world to another,"
>>Bauman says. "We fare better when we eat according to our ethnicity. Soy
>>is a viable food, but we need to look at how it's used."
>>Once considered a small-scale poverty food, soy exploded onto the
>>American market. Studies--some funded by the industry--promoted soy's
>>ability to lower disease risk while absolving guilt associated with
>>eating meat. "The soy industry has come a long way from when hippies
>>were boiling u

[Biofuel] Microsoft Moves To Change NY State Election Law

[Mike Weaver]

Microsoft has moved forcefully into New York State with proposed changes
to NY state election law drafted by Microsoft attorneys. A document has
been circulating (PDF) among the legislators for a while now. The proposed
changes would gut the source-code escrow and review provisions in current
law that were hard-fought-for and passed in New York in 2005. Microsoft is
siding with the makers of voting machines that run on Windows — the
company doesn't want its code inspected by outsiders. From the article:
"Now the software giant has gone a step further, not just saying 'we won't
comply with your law' but actively trying to change state law to serve
their corporate interests... Adding insult to injury, these changes are
being slipped into a bill that may be voted on Monday or Tuesday, June 18
or 19."


http://politics.slashdot.org/politics/07/06/17/2011226.shtml

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Re: [Biofuel] Fuel-sipping trains

[Mike Weaver]

Actually 2 years - but the ashtray was full and power carpet wasn't working.


> LOL.  I bet your Escalade was 3 years old, and you didn't want to be
> seen in that old a car anyway.  But, I applaud getting the Lexus
> instead of just a newer Escalade.  :)
>
> On 6/15/07, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hey Yewdall,
>>
>> I DID MY PART when I traded in my Escalade for a Lexus SUV hybrid for
>> the
>> commute downtown.  I didn't HAVE to spend the extra money BUT I DID
>> because it was the right thing to do. Now get off my back and let me
>> enjoy
>> my lifestyle.
>>
>> > Uuugh.   Forgot about property flipping.  But now that you mention it,
>> > they are ripping down 2,000 sq foot $800k houses in Boulder, just for
>> > the lot.   Ack.  Our society is nuts.
>> >
>> > This is one reason my town hasn't made too much effort to clean up the
>> > piles of abandoned cars along the road and in everyone's yard it
>> > keeps the property values under control and the yuppies out.  :)
>> >
>> > Z
>> >
>> > On 6/15/07, Chip Mefford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> Zeke Yewdall wrote:
>> >> > Ah, but I think you may be including a non-monetary benefit...
>> >> > remember, for renewable energy or energy efficiency stuff, you can
>> >> > only include the strict monetary benefits when calculating payback.
>> >>
>> >> Nope, I'm talking property flipping.
>> >>
>> >> The sad but incontrovertible truth is, the larger
>> >> the house, the greater the increase in resale value.
>> >>
>> >> Tracking housing costs since the building boom began
>> >> in the early 50s, houses of 10,000 sf, (yes, that's
>> >> correct, ten thousand square feet) have shown the
>> >> highest rate of return in investment over time.
>> >> 5,000 less so, but still quite solid, 2,500 are
>> >> decent investments, and 1,200 or less are only valuable
>> >> for their lots. Fact. ugly but true.
>> >>
>> >> Boutique appliances, countertops and trophy
>> >> stoves (that will never be used) are pretty
>> >> much a requirement for flipping the property.
>> >>
>> >> This is why the cheaper interest rates are available for
>> >> these purchases, because that money yields the highest
>> >> return over similar type goods.
>> >>
>> >> This trend has been solid, with only a few hiccups for
>> >> nigh on 60 years, and there is nothing to indicate there
>> >> will a change anytime soon.
>> >>
>> >> Wonder why all this farm land in the Mid Atlantic
>> >> region of the US (some of the  best and most fertile
>> >> farm land in the world) is all being converted to tract
>> >> mansions? Because that is the sweet spot for investment.
>> >> 5k+ sq ft houses garner the lowest interest rates and
>> >> have the highest resale. No farm can compete with that,
>> >> in this 'free market' economy. (I'd like to actually
>> >> see a genuine free market economy someday, I keep
>> >> hearing about it).
>> >>
>> >> I work in Loundon County Va, USA. Loundon Co is *the*
>> >> textbook example of the worst land managment planning
>> >> there is. Even the the union of concerned scientists
>> >> used Loundon Co as their only negative example in the
>> >> publication The Consumer's Guide to Effective Environmental Choices.
>> >>
>> >> Be that as it may, it's nearly impossible to loose money
>> >> in this real estate market. Unless, you try to protect
>> >> and preserve what little arable land is left.
>> >>
>> >> Mike Weaver lives in this region, and the neighbors of
>> >> whom he speaks are everywhere. You'd have to see it.
>> >>
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Re: [Biofuel] Fuel-sipping trains

[Mike Weaver]

Hey Yewdall,

I DID MY PART when I traded in my Escalade for a Lexus SUV hybrid for the
commute downtown.  I didn't HAVE to spend the extra money BUT I DID
because it was the right thing to do. Now get off my back and let me enjoy
my lifestyle.

> Uuugh.   Forgot about property flipping.  But now that you mention it,
> they are ripping down 2,000 sq foot $800k houses in Boulder, just for
> the lot.   Ack.  Our society is nuts.
>
> This is one reason my town hasn't made too much effort to clean up the
> piles of abandoned cars along the road and in everyone's yard it
> keeps the property values under control and the yuppies out.  :)
>
> Z
>
> On 6/15/07, Chip Mefford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Zeke Yewdall wrote:
>> > Ah, but I think you may be including a non-monetary benefit...
>> > remember, for renewable energy or energy efficiency stuff, you can
>> > only include the strict monetary benefits when calculating payback.
>>
>> Nope, I'm talking property flipping.
>>
>> The sad but incontrovertible truth is, the larger
>> the house, the greater the increase in resale value.
>>
>> Tracking housing costs since the building boom began
>> in the early 50s, houses of 10,000 sf, (yes, that's
>> correct, ten thousand square feet) have shown the
>> highest rate of return in investment over time.
>> 5,000 less so, but still quite solid, 2,500 are
>> decent investments, and 1,200 or less are only valuable
>> for their lots. Fact. ugly but true.
>>
>> Boutique appliances, countertops and trophy
>> stoves (that will never be used) are pretty
>> much a requirement for flipping the property.
>>
>> This is why the cheaper interest rates are available for
>> these purchases, because that money yields the highest
>> return over similar type goods.
>>
>> This trend has been solid, with only a few hiccups for
>> nigh on 60 years, and there is nothing to indicate there
>> will a change anytime soon.
>>
>> Wonder why all this farm land in the Mid Atlantic
>> region of the US (some of the  best and most fertile
>> farm land in the world) is all being converted to tract
>> mansions? Because that is the sweet spot for investment.
>> 5k+ sq ft houses garner the lowest interest rates and
>> have the highest resale. No farm can compete with that,
>> in this 'free market' economy. (I'd like to actually
>> see a genuine free market economy someday, I keep
>> hearing about it).
>>
>> I work in Loundon County Va, USA. Loundon Co is *the*
>> textbook example of the worst land managment planning
>> there is. Even the the union of concerned scientists
>> used Loundon Co as their only negative example in the
>> publication The Consumer's Guide to Effective Environmental Choices.
>>
>> Be that as it may, it's nearly impossible to loose money
>> in this real estate market. Unless, you try to protect
>> and preserve what little arable land is left.
>>
>> Mike Weaver lives in this region, and the neighbors of
>> whom he speaks are everywhere. You'd have to see it.
>>
>> --
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Re: [Biofuel] Fuel-sipping trains

[Mike Weaver]

Immediate gratification.  That's a large part of why we are in this mess.



> Wonder what the payback time of those granite counters and appliances is?
>
>
>
> On 6/15/07, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I wonder if you could look at the carbon output and extrapolate
>> backwards
>> to get a rough idea what the cost is.
>>
>> Interesting side note:  I was at the bus stop in my neighborhood, which
>> is
>> for lack of a better word, one of the more exclusive suburbs in the
>> country, mosty due to its proximity to DC.  Many people are tearing down
>> their small houses and building huge ones, or substantially remodeling
>> what they have.  I fell into conversation with one neighbor doing the
>> latter.  As the conversation started on the subject of the cost of gas
>> and
>> energy in general, I asked if they'd thought about solar for power, heat
>> and hot water, a multi-fuel furnace - such as a Tarm and extra
>> insulation,
>> etc.  They'd thought about it, but realized that the $50,000 or so for
>> the
>> above was about the cost of granite counters and Sub Zero appliances in
>> the kitchen, and after all, this was their dream house - wasn't it?
>>
>> "High efficiency" gas heating and cooling along with better windows are
>> as
>> far as most people here will go.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg18995.html
>> > [biofuel] The Railroading of Amtrak
>> >
>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg12055.html
>> > [biofuel] Subsidizing Trains, Planes And Automobiles
>> >
>> > (The whole discussion thread is linked at the end of the page.)
>> >
>> > Trains are a great way to travel, even better than ships. And the
>> > best way to commute.
>> >
>> >>Like Keith stated so succinctly in a prior post,
>> >>the USA isn't addicted to oil, it is addicted to
>> >>waste.
>> >
>> > I didn't check it and I didn't download it either, but somebody was
>> > saying that people bandied the figure around a lot these days that
>> > the US had 5% of the world's population and uses 25% of the energy,
>> > but he'd seen data years ago that the US used 45% of the world's
>> > energy and he didn't think it had shrunk.
>> >
>> > I got to wondering what the figure might be if you included the full
>> > energy costs of the war in Iraq, for instance, or the full energy
>> > costs of the Empire's global military establishment, as someone like
>> > Chalmers Johnson might put it, along with all the support stuff that
>> > goes with it. For starters. What's the global energy bill of the US?
>> > (Or am I looking at it all wrong?)
>> >
>> > I don't suppose we'd ever find out. I'm not very surprised when
>> > energy data turns out to be mostly smoke and mirrors. That's been the
>> > case with oil reserves for a long time, especially with what Matt
>> > Simmons has had to say about it more recently. Nobody really knows,
>> > but that doesn't stop them lying about it.
>> >
>> > Whatever, a lot of list members have talked about the waste of energy
>> > in the US. Hakan, for instance, who'd know, said the US was IIRC
>> > about 30 years behind Sweden with energy efficient buildings. The
>> > section on world energy use at our website (which might be where the
>> > 25% came from) says "The average American uses twice as much energy
>> > as the average European or Japanese and 155 times as much as the
>> > average Nepalese. In terms of production, Americans produce more per
>> > head than Europeans and about the same as Japanese, but they use
>> > twice as much energy as the Japanese to do it."
>> > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html#energyuse
>> >
>> > I wouldn't say the Japanese are exactly paragons of energy
>> > efficiency. In some ways yes, with solar and K-trucks, for instance,
>> > but they've got a long way to go. There are way too many cars here,
>> > K-trucks notwithstanding, recycling's good in some sectors, but not
>> > much reduce, very little re-use, too much needless consumption - a
>> > popular book here tells you all sorts of ways to throw things away
>> > more creatively (which doesn't necessarily mean being more
>> > eco-friendly about it).
>> &g

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel-sipping trains

[Mike Weaver]

I wonder if you could look at the carbon output and extrapolate backwards
to get a rough idea what the cost is.

Interesting side note:  I was at the bus stop in my neighborhood, which is
for lack of a better word, one of the more exclusive suburbs in the
country, mosty due to its proximity to DC.  Many people are tearing down
their small houses and building huge ones, or substantially remodeling
what they have.  I fell into conversation with one neighbor doing the
latter.  As the conversation started on the subject of the cost of gas and
energy in general, I asked if they'd thought about solar for power, heat
and hot water, a multi-fuel furnace - such as a Tarm and extra insulation,
etc.  They'd thought about it, but realized that the $50,000 or so for the
above was about the cost of granite counters and Sub Zero appliances in
the kitchen, and after all, this was their dream house - wasn't it?

"High efficiency" gas heating and cooling along with better windows are as
far as most people here will go.




> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg18995.html
> [biofuel] The Railroading of Amtrak
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg12055.html
> [biofuel] Subsidizing Trains, Planes And Automobiles
>
> (The whole discussion thread is linked at the end of the page.)
>
> Trains are a great way to travel, even better than ships. And the
> best way to commute.
>
>>Like Keith stated so succinctly in a prior post,
>>the USA isn't addicted to oil, it is addicted to
>>waste.
>
> I didn't check it and I didn't download it either, but somebody was
> saying that people bandied the figure around a lot these days that
> the US had 5% of the world's population and uses 25% of the energy,
> but he'd seen data years ago that the US used 45% of the world's
> energy and he didn't think it had shrunk.
>
> I got to wondering what the figure might be if you included the full
> energy costs of the war in Iraq, for instance, or the full energy
> costs of the Empire's global military establishment, as someone like
> Chalmers Johnson might put it, along with all the support stuff that
> goes with it. For starters. What's the global energy bill of the US?
> (Or am I looking at it all wrong?)
>
> I don't suppose we'd ever find out. I'm not very surprised when
> energy data turns out to be mostly smoke and mirrors. That's been the
> case with oil reserves for a long time, especially with what Matt
> Simmons has had to say about it more recently. Nobody really knows,
> but that doesn't stop them lying about it.
>
> Whatever, a lot of list members have talked about the waste of energy
> in the US. Hakan, for instance, who'd know, said the US was IIRC
> about 30 years behind Sweden with energy efficient buildings. The
> section on world energy use at our website (which might be where the
> 25% came from) says "The average American uses twice as much energy
> as the average European or Japanese and 155 times as much as the
> average Nepalese. In terms of production, Americans produce more per
> head than Europeans and about the same as Japanese, but they use
> twice as much energy as the Japanese to do it."
> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html#energyuse
>
> I wouldn't say the Japanese are exactly paragons of energy
> efficiency. In some ways yes, with solar and K-trucks, for instance,
> but they've got a long way to go. There are way too many cars here,
> K-trucks notwithstanding, recycling's good in some sectors, but not
> much reduce, very little re-use, too much needless consumption - a
> popular book here tells you all sorts of ways to throw things away
> more creatively (which doesn't necessarily mean being more
> eco-friendly about it).
>
> Still, millions of people ride their bicycles to the rail station
> every day to go to work. Japanese trains are great!
>
>  From a previous message:
>
>>[Japanese] Foreign Minister Taro Aso pointed out Friday that Japan's
>>oil efficiency is eight times better than that of China, quoting
>>data from International Energy Agency, an energy policy adviser to
>>26 industrialized countries.
>>
>>"I have told (Chinese Foreign Minister) Li Zhaoxing that China would
>>be able to curb its oil consumption to one-eighth (of the current
>>level) if (it) becomes like us," Aso said when asked to comment on
>>China's energy problems.
>
> So China's more wasteful than the US?
>
> I wonder if China will take that to mean that they can cut
> seven-eighths of their oil consumption if they do it like Japan or
> that they'll be able to produce eight times as much with the amount
> of oil they're using now.
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
>>Dawie Coetzee wrote:
>> > This from another group:
>> >
>> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/carfree_cities/message/10256
>> >
>> >> Fuel-sipping trains
>> >> June 11, 2007
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> With energy prices high and likely to go higher in the years ahead,
>> >> it would make sense for the nation to embrace a transportation
>> >> pol

Re: [Biofuel] Time is running out to Save Raw Almonds!

[Mike Weaver]

There was a whole write up recently about "urban farming"; as soon as I
come off my latest energy binge I'll look for it.

-Mike

> Hi Dawie
>
>>Keith has emphasized before that meaningful food production doesn't
>>require huge tracts of land. It is amazing what can be done in very
>>small spaces.
>>
>>Modern cities contain vast amounts of wasted land, but the resulting
>>pattern is one that attracts too much moving about of people and
>>stuff for non-food-production purposes. There's a vicious circle
>>with too much roadway and parking generating an insatiable need for
>>more roadway and parking. I'm proposing that urban areas become a
>>lot tighter, though fragmented into smaller pockets, somewhat like
>>the cities of medieval Europe, so that the greatest proportion of
>>non-food-production functions are best supported by a
>>pedestrian-based local economy. In practice, the typical "new-world"
>>city should be steered to develop into twenty-odd (depending on the
>>size of the city) "mini-cities" separated by farmland.
>
> Or interpenetrated by farmland, in many shapes and forms, but
> sometimes just plain farmland. Japanese cities have patches of
> farmland throughout, a small field here and there, some of them not
> so small, with occasional clumps of fields, they're everywhere. Not
> just veggies, rice and soybeans and so on too. There are allotments
> as well. People don't notice them much but they produce a lot of
> food. There's still quite a lot of waste ground too, empty lots and
> all the usable bits and pieces of ground you start seeing around the
> place when you begin to take some notice.
>
>>A lot of that farmland is currently the
>>supposedly decorative gardens of sprawling suburbs.
>
> And/or allotments and so on, and quite a lot of suburban folks raise
> some vegetables.
>
>>The more I get into it, though, the more I realise how much food can
>>be produced even in the densely built city areas,
>
> There's room for it, once you start thinking that way you see it
> everywhere.
>
>>especially in the upper-storey courtyards that result almost
>>inevitably from the desire to use available space most effectively
>>while maintaining decent daylight and ventilation. This applies as
>>much to small livestock as to crops.
>>
>>I don't see cows being kept on rooftops. Cow-sized staircases would
>>just consume too much space! But I do see small dairy operations
>>within easy walking distance of city centres.
>
> It's amazing where people manage to keep poultry and pigs.
>
> Food for cities is not that big a problem eh? Mainly an attitude
> problem, and the attitude's changing.
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>>Dawie
>>
>>- Original Message 
>>From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>Sent: Thursday, 14 June, 2007 5:41:57 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Time is running out to Save Raw Almonds!
>>
>>hi Keith,
>>
>>you said "Large-scale animal and animal products production has no future
>> and
>> > has a disgusting past without any merit. There is no place for "the
>> > industry". There is plenty of place for unpasteurised real milk and
>> > the healthy people who drink it." I agree, they are in it for the
>>money (which we do need) with less regard for the environmental
>>footprint, and lacking the passion to provide good food to the
>>people. However, could you elaborate on the size of scale you are
>>refering to in the above statement. I mean there are hundreds of
>>millions of people who live in cities that cant farm or produce for
>>themselves. Ultimately, in the end I believe the smaller and more
>>localised the farm is to its consumption destination, the better. It
>>reduces transport costs, packaging and ultimately energy demand.
>>Individual small farms to produce food for themselves and the
>>community is the best option if practiced responsibily with the
>>social and environmental issues in mind. Having said this what are
>>your thoughts for providing food to the cities.
>>
>>best
>>
>>Joshua
>>
>>
>>
>> > Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello Andres
>> >
>> > >I am affraid the pasteurization process is necessary because to eat
>> > >untreated foods is DANGEROUS for humans.
>> >
>> > Not true. Please see my previous reply and check the references there.
>> >
>> > >The larger the production scale the
>> > >higher the risk.
>> >
>> > True.
>> >
>> > >The living parts of foods are oftenly poisonous for us
>> > >like bacteria.
>> >
>> > Not necessarily so. Look at your previous statement about the
>> > production scale. The inverse is equally true: the smaller the scale
>> > the lower the risk - in other words small-scale local production,
>> > such as on CSA farms. This can be and usually is safe and
>> > high-quality. Traditional agricultural systems all had and have good
>> > solutions to these problems. But modern large-scale production has no
>> > such answers.
>> >
>> > >Thanks to god there is still a lot of vegetables we can eat
>> >

[Biofuel] Meanwhile, back in the US of A: A price to pay for alternative fuels

[Mike Weaver]

THOSE WHO MAKE THEIR OWN ENVIRONMENT-FRIENDLY GAS CAN AVOID PAIN AT THE
PUMP BUT NOT THE TAXES.
A price to pay for alternative fuels
Some N.C. officials seek relief from obscure laws
BRUCE HENDERSON
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bob Teixeira decided it was time to take a stand against U.S. dependence
on foreign oil.

So last fall the Charlotte musician and guitar instructor spent $1,200 to
convert his 1981 diesel Mercedes to run on vegetable oil. He bought
soybean oil in 5-gallon jugs at Costco, spending about 30 percent more
than diesel would cost.

His reward, from a state that heavily promotes alternative fuels: a $1,000
fine last month for not paying motor fuel taxes.

He's been told to expect another $1,000 fine from the federal government.

And to legally use veggie oil, state officials told him, he would have to
first post a $2,500 bond.

Teixeira is one of a growing number of fuel-it-yourselfers -- backyard
brewers who recycle restaurant grease or make moonshine for their car
tanks. They do it to save money, reduce pollution or thumb their noses at
oil sheiks.

They're also caught in a web of little-known state laws that can stifle
energy independence.

State Sen. Stan Bingham, R-Davidson, is known around Raleigh for his
diesel Volkswagen fueled by used soybean oil. The car sports a "Goodbye,
OPEC" sign.

"If somebody was going to go to this much trouble to drive around in a car
that uses soybean oil, they ought to be exempt" from state taxes, he said.

The N.C. Department of Revenue, which fined Teixeira, has asked
legislators to waive the $2,500 bond for small fuel users. The department
also told Teixeira, after the Observer asked about his case this week,
that it will compromise on his fine.

But officials say they'll keep pursuing taxes on all fuels used in highway
vehicles. With its 29.9-cent a gallon gas tax, the state collects $1.2
billion each year to pay for road construction.

"With the high cost of fuel right now, the department does recognize that
a lot of people are looking for relief," said Reggie Little, assistant
director of the motor fuel taxes division. "We're not here to hurt the
small guy, we're just trying to make sure that the playing field is
level."

Use promoted, little regulation

State policies firmly endorse alternative fuels.In 2005 legislators
directed state agencies to replace 20 percent of their annual petroleum
use with alternatives by 2010. About 6,000 of the state's 8,500 vehicles
are equipped to use ethanol. The state fleet also includes about 135
gas-electric hybrids.

Few states, however, are prepared to regulate the new fuels, says the
National VegOil Board, which promotes vegetable oil fuel.

"State offices do not have the forms to appropriately and fairly deal with
VegOil, nor the staff to enforce the non-existent forms," said director
Cynthia Shelton. "So either they tell people inquiring about compliance to
get lost, or they make them jump through a bunch of arbitrary hoops."

Outraged Illinois legislators this spring quickly waived that state's
$2,500 bond requirement when an elderly man was nabbed for using waste
vegetable oil.

In the mountain district of state Sen. John Snow, D-Cherokee, home-brewed
ethanol was once known as moonshine. But a couple of constituents who made
it for fuel have been fined for the same tax violation that got Teixeira
in trouble.

Snow has introduced several bills to promote biodiesel, which under state
law includes vegetable oil.

"One of the biggest problems in the state is a real lack of information
for people who want to use alternative fuels," said Snow's research
assistant, Jonathan Ducote. "It's just now appearing on (regulators')
radar."

Done in by bumper sticker

Teixeira's story began near Lowe's Motor Speedway on May 14. As
recreational vehicles streamed in for race week, revenue investigators
were checking fuel tanks of diesel RVs for illegal fuel.

The investigators quickly spotted Teixeira's passing bumper sticker:
"Powered by 100% vegetable oil."

"It was like some twist of fate that put me there," he said. "It was like
I was asking for them to stop me."

Teixeira says revenue officials are just doing their jobs. But he thinks
it's unfair that he was lumped with people who purposely try to avoid fuel
taxes.

"Individuals who are trying to do the right thing environmentally cannot
and should not continue to take this kind of financial hit," he wrote Gov.
Mike Easley.

Teixeira says he'll pay the state fine and apply for a state fuel license.
But pumping regular diesel again "broke my heart."

"I'm ready to get myself legal," he said, "and start using vegetable oil
again."

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Re: [Biofuel] U.S. government fights to keep meatpackers from testing all slaughtered cattle for mad cow

[Mike Weaver]

Same problem in NH w/ deer.

> prob the highest incidence in North America is in the US
>   Colrado Springs is a problem area. It spread into the local deer
> population.
>
> Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   So why doesn't Creekstone just test in Canada or Mexico or anywhere the
> USDA doesn't have jurisdiction?
>
> Fedex.
>
>
>> the government doesnt want the extent of mad cow to be known as it is
>> high
>> in some areas.
>>
>>
>> Keith Addison wrote:
>> See also:
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6711179.stm
>> BBC NEWS
>> EU urged to relax farm feed rules
>> 1 June 2007
>>>The European Commission has been urged to lift the ban on using
>>>animal remains in farm feed. EU scientists are looking at the safety
>>>of using animal by-products...
>>
>> What safety is that? Some people never learn. - K
>>
>> --
>>
>> The EU is currently funding research on the impacts of feeding animal
>> carcasses to other farm animals.
>> U.S. government fights to keep meatpackers from testing all
>> slaughtered cattle for mad cow
>> The Associated Press
>> Published: May 29, 2007
>>
>> WASHINGTON: The Bush administration said Tuesday it will fight to
>> keep meatpackers from testing all their animals for mad cow disease.
>>
>> The Agriculture Department tests fewer than 1 percent of slaughtered
>> cows for the disease, which can be fatal to humans who eat tainted
>> beef. A beef producer in the western state of Kansas, Creekstone
>> Farms Premium Beef, wants to test all of its cows.
>>
>> Larger meat companies feared that move because, if Creekstone should
>> test its meat and advertised it as safe, they might have to perform
>> the expensive tests on their larger herds as well.
>>
>> The Agriculture Department regulates the test and argued that
>> widespread testing could lead to a false positive that would harm the
>> meat industry.
>>
>> A federal judge ruled in March that such tests must be allowed. U.S.
>> District Judge James Robertson noted that Creekstone sought to use
>> the same test the government relies on and said the government didn't
>> have the authority to restrict it. - A federal judge ruled in March
>> that such tests must be allowed. The ruling was scheduled to take
>> effect June 1, but the Agriculture Department said Tuesday it would
>> appeal, effectively delaying the testing until the court challenge
>> has played out.
>>
>> Mad cow disease, or bovine spongiform encephalopathy, is linked to
>> more than 150 human deaths worldwide, mostly in Britain.
>>
>> Three cases of mad cow disease have been found in the United States.
>> The first, in December 2003 in Washington state, was in a cow that
>> had been imported from Canada. The second, in 2005, was in a cow born
>> in Texas. The third was confirmed last year in an Alabama cow.
>>
>> Found at:
>> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/29/america/NA-GEN-US-Mad-Cow.ph
>> p
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Re: [Biofuel] U.S. government fights to keep meatpackers from testing all slaughtered cattle for mad cow

[Mike Weaver]

So why doesn't Creekstone just test in Canada or Mexico or anywhere the
USDA doesn't have jurisdiction?

Fedex.


> the government doesnt want the extent of mad cow to be known as it is high
> in some areas.
>
>
> Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   See also:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6711179.stm
> BBC NEWS
> EU urged to relax farm feed rules
> 1 June 2007
>>The European Commission has been urged to lift the ban on using
>>animal remains in farm feed. EU scientists are looking at the safety
>>of using animal by-products...
>
> What safety is that? Some people never learn. - K
>
> --
>
> The EU is currently funding research on the impacts of feeding animal
> carcasses to other farm animals.
> U.S. government fights to keep meatpackers from testing all
> slaughtered cattle for mad cow
> The Associated Press
> Published: May 29, 2007
>
> WASHINGTON: The Bush administration said Tuesday it will fight to
> keep meatpackers from testing all their animals for mad cow disease.
>
> The Agriculture Department tests fewer than 1 percent of slaughtered
> cows for the disease, which can be fatal to humans who eat tainted
> beef. A beef producer in the western state of Kansas, Creekstone
> Farms Premium Beef, wants to test all of its cows.
>
> Larger meat companies feared that move because, if Creekstone should
> test its meat and advertised it as safe, they might have to perform
> the expensive tests on their larger herds as well.
>
> The Agriculture Department regulates the test and argued that
> widespread testing could lead to a false positive that would harm the
> meat industry.
>
> A federal judge ruled in March that such tests must be allowed. U.S.
> District Judge James Robertson noted that Creekstone sought to use
> the same test the government relies on and said the government didn't
> have the authority to restrict it. - A federal judge ruled in March
> that such tests must be allowed. The ruling was scheduled to take
> effect June 1, but the Agriculture Department said Tuesday it would
> appeal, effectively delaying the testing until the court challenge
> has played out.
>
> Mad cow disease, or bovine spongiform encephalopathy, is linked to
> more than 150 human deaths worldwide, mostly in Britain.
>
> Three cases of mad cow disease have been found in the United States.
> The first, in December 2003 in Washington state, was in a cow that
> had been imported from Canada. The second, in 2005, was in a cow born
> in Texas. The third was confirmed last year in an Alabama cow.
>
> Found at:
> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/29/america/NA-GEN-US-Mad-Cow.ph
> p
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Re: [Biofuel] pH meters

[Mike Weaver]

My Hanna's been ok - it was around 40-50 USD.  I'm sure you could get a
better one, though.  I've been pretty good about calibrating it.  I
haven't used an Oakton.  Some people have had good luck with finding a
meter at places that sell beer-brewing supplies.

YMMV,

Mike


> Joshua,
>
> I would suggest a Oakton ultra basic PH tester.  If you visit you
> local hydroponics shop I am sure they will have one for you.  I suggest
> staying away from a Hanna meter.
>
> Aidan
> 1990 VW Jetta on WVO four years +
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>Im making some biodiesel and I'm having some difficulty finding a
>> reasonably priced electronic pH meter to purchase so I can test the
>> virgin oil and the resulting biodiesel. it would be appreciated if anyone
>> with an answer or some knowledge in this area could steer me in the right
>> direction.
>>
>>Joshua
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] pH meters

[Mike Weaver]

Google "Hanna PH Meter"

> Hello,
> Im making some biodiesel and I'm having some difficulty finding a
> reasonably priced electronic pH meter to purchase so I can test the virgin
> oil and the resulting biodiesel. it would be appreciated if anyone with an
> answer or some knowledge in this area could steer me in the right
> direction.
>
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[Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House

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Re: [Biofuel] How America is betraying the hungry children of Africa

[Mike Weaver]

Let Them Eat Promises


> Food vs fuel? US ethanol and tortilla riots?
>
> Why are these people in Malawi growing maize and soy anyway? Hardly
> their best choice.
>
> See also:
>
> http://snipurl.com/rcij
> [Biofuel] Bushfood
>
> http://snipurl.com/rcik
> [Biofuel] Myth: More US aid will help the hungry
>
> http://snipurl.com/rcim
> Re: [Biofuel] US Foreign aid
> Food Dumping [Aid] Maintains Poverty
>
> http://snipurl.com/rcig
> [Biofuel] The US and Foreign Aid Assistance
>
> http://snipurl.com/rcih
> [Biofuel] Famines as Commercial Opportunity
>
> http://snipurl.com/rcii
> [Biofuel] Famine As Commerce
>
> http://snipurl.com/rcin
> [Biofuel] Inequality in wealth
>
> - Keith
>
> 
>
> http://observer.guardian.co.uk/foodmonthly/story/0,,2086227,00.html
> | Food monthly | The Observer
>
> Special investigation
>
> How America is betraying the hungry children of Africa
>
> Edina gets a free mug of porridge each day. Good news? Well, it is
> for the US government who dumps its leftovers in the name of charity.
> Read more from Alex Renton on food aid on our brand new food blog,
> Word of Mouth and join the debate
>
> Sunday May 27, 2007
> The Observer
>
> It's early May and Malawi seems to be awash with corn. On the roads,
> trucks heavy with pale yellow maize heads rumble from the fields; in
> the villages nearly every woman and child is at work stripping the
> little kernels from their cobs, singing the harvest songs that give a
> rhythm to their work. Other women are pounding the maize with a giant
> pestle and mortar into flour to make the national staple dish - nzima
> - corn mash. (The men mostly seem to be occupied drinking the new
> season's maize beer.) It has been the best harvest in a dozen years
> or more. So why - and this is what we've come here to ask - in this
> time of historic plenty, is the rich world still sending its unwanted
> food to Malawi?
>
> This little southern-African country has had a rough decade.
> Staggering under the effects of an Aids epidemic that affects one in
> five of the population in some districts, there were famines here in
> 2002, 2003 and one in 2005, when a third of Malawi's 13 million
> people ran out of food. Until this April, over 300,000 were still
> being fed emergency rations by the United Nations World Food
> Programme. Malawi deserved a good year.
>
> But record harvests don't necessarily guarantee good times. 'We have
> so much maize this year - thanks be to God,' says Felicita Bailoni.
> 'But we have a problem over where to sell it. It's not just that the
> price is so low because there is so much maize, there isn't anyone to
> sell it to. The traders normally visit the village but they haven't
> come.' Felicita, 59, talks as she rubs the kernels from a cob into a
> basin before her. Even in the time of plentiful food she's worried.
> She and her husband Stephen look after her two grandchildren, whose
> mother died three years ago, and two other orphans.
>
> Most households in their village, Kunthembwe, have taken in the
> children of those who have died from Aids - which is particularly
> severe here around Blantyre in southern Malawi. Felicita and her
> enlarged family have more than enough food for today and for the year
> ahead - but they need cash to pay the children's school fees, for
> clothes and other necessities. And maize corn is so plentiful at the
> moment it fetches only eight Malawian kwacha, or about 3p a kilo - if
> you can sell it. In 2005, the price went up to 50 kwacha a kilo. The
> Bailonis are hoping to sell 100 50kg bags of corn ears - the cobs are
> lying round the back of their two-room house in a vast wooden cradle
> designed to keep the rats away. 'But if we wait till the price goes
> up, the weevils will spoil our maize,' says Felicita. 'We can only
> sit and worry.'
>
> 'The price is so low,' says Charles Rethman, a Malawi-based analyst
> of what the NGOs call 'food security', 'that we have a concern now
> about next year. Farmers will be put off growing maize, and they
> won't have the cash to buy the seeds for the next planting. So in
> 2008 we're looking at the possibility of another food crisis. So it's
> really important that we do everything we can to get the price up to
> a level that rewards the farmers.'
>
> With so much cheap corn available Rethman is bemused by a US
> government deal, announced in April, to ship $19.5 million of
> American corn and soya to Malawi as food aid. 'It's a nonsense,' he
> says.
>
> Everywhere I go in the little villages in the shadow of Michiru
> mountain I hear the same story. Plenty of maize but no market. This
> affects the very poorest. In one village I meet Lena Butao, a
> 24-year-old whose mother died last year, her father in 2003. (Aids
> has brought a collapse in life expectancy in Malawi to just 37
> years). She looks after her three brothers and sisters, the youngest
> only 10. They managed to harvest 18 bags of maize from their parents'
> field, but it won't see them th

[Biofuel] BBC Greg Palast Rove Voter Fraud Story

[Mike Weaver]

This interview conducted on May 26, 2007 on the Alex Jones Show exposes
criminal behavior in our government that should be on every major news
media program in America . . . but it is conspicuously absent.  Our media
is so massively controlled every single American should be screaming in
the streets with outrage!  We do not have a free press in this country. 
The evidence presented in this interview is outrageous and the total
blackout of it exposes just how completely our media is controlled and how
much information is kept from us.  And it conveys the true sense or
urgency we all should be feeling about the fact that we need to rise up
and confront this suppression of information before it goes any further by
uniting around the Kick Them All Out Project to mount a full frontal
assault!

Please listen to this story and send this link to all your friends and
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Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations

[Mike Weaver]

A Toyo would be a much better deal than a big huge Ford but I don't 
think you'l be able to find one
in the US.  I've looked with no success.  You *may* be able to bring one 
in from Canada or
some people buy a diesel engine from Japan and swap.  I gave it a pretty 
good shot myself, then decided to keep the old gasser Highlux and got a 
VW Golf.

Good luck.

Keith Addison wrote:

>Hello Luke, welcome
>
>I don't think you're after a US-made behemoth. Some months ago 
>someone in the US asked me this question. I recommended that they try 
>to find a Toyota TownAce, which is what we have here in Japan. 
>Second-hand TownAces are exported from Japan worldwide, including to 
>the US (via Canada). He managed to find one and was very happy with 
>it. The TownAce is one of the few older cars that are commonly seen 
>on Japan's roads, and they don't look out of place. A classic. Ours 
>is a 1990 TownAce 4WD 1.97-litre 4-cyl turbo diesel van. We've had it 
>for four years and have never put any petro-diesel in it, biodiesel 
>and SVO only. The 4-wheel drive is really good, by the way. Actually 
>it's one of the nicest cars I've had. This site might help:
>http://www.toyotavanpeople.com/index.html
>ToyotaVanPeople.com
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Yeah, for that size, a Ford or Chevy is probably the best bet.  I am 
>>not a fan of these engines -- complicated because they are V-8's 
>>instead of inline designs, and impossible to work on because of the 
>>van body.  But the only other thing to suggest is is a Isuzu NPR or 
>>Mitsubishi Fuso -- much easier to work on, but quite a bit bigger -- 
>>more like a 1 ton or 2 ton size.  I love ours, but we can use a 
>>16,000 lb vehicle with a 16 foot box.   We get 10 to 11mpg on B100. 
>>If you are looking to buy new, the dodge sprinter diesel is a very 
>>nice option -- probably won't find a used one of those though.
>>
>>On 5/23/07, Mike Weaver 
>><<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>I think your best bet is a Ford or Chevy.  They are hard to find but
>>worth the look.
>>
>>Joe Street wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Look for a mitsubishi delica.  A buddy of mine just imported one with
>>>low miles from Japan.  He loves it.
>>>
>>>Joe
>>>
>>>Luke Kareklas wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>>Hello All,
>>>>
>>>>I am a Kid's Birthday Party Entertainer, as well as a Juggler,
>>>>Magician, and "Balloon Guy."
>>>>
>>>>I live in the Midwest, and have all 4 seasons during the year, if
>>>>this is a helpful bit of information.
>>>>
>>>>Lately my entertainment business has gotten really busy and it's come
>>>>time for me to buy a larger vehicle. I have been a fan of alternative
>>>>fuels for years, but never pursued a diesel vehicle.
>>>>
>>>>I would like recommendations on what type of deisel van would you
>>>>recommend that would most easily transfer over to a SVO, WVO, or
>>>>biodiesel system for me to drive? I am looking for a 1/2 or 3/4 ton
>>>>van, not really a "minivan" type of vehicle.
>>>>
>>>>Again, I am naive and new to all this and hope your thoughts will
>>>>help ground me and get me pointed in the right direction. I guess I
>>>>have to go buy a diesel vehicle before I can get moving on SVO, WVO,
>>>>or Biodiesel fueling, right?
>>>>Thank you very much.
>>>>
>>>>Luke
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Luke Kareklas
>>>>*Luke the Juggler*
>>>>*614-764-8010*
>>>>
>>>><http://www.LuketheJuggler.com>www.LuketheJuggler.com 
>>>>
>>>>
>><<http://www.lukethejuggler.com/>http://www.lukethejuggler.com/>
>>
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations

[Mike Weaver]

I think your best bet is a Ford or Chevy.  They are hard to find but 
worth the look.

Joe Street wrote:

> Look for a mitsubishi delica.  A buddy of mine just imported one with 
> low miles from Japan.  He loves it.
>
> Joe
>
> Luke Kareklas wrote:
>
>> Hello All, 
>>
>> I am a Kid's Birthday Party Entertainer, as well as a Juggler, 
>> Magician, and "Balloon Guy."
>>
>> I live in the Midwest, and have all 4 seasons during the year, if 
>> this is a helpful bit of information. 
>>  
>> Lately my entertainment business has gotten really busy and it's come 
>> time for me to buy a larger vehicle. I have been a fan of alternative 
>> fuels for years, but never pursued a diesel vehicle.
>>
>> I would like recommendations on what type of deisel van would you 
>> recommend that would most easily transfer over to a SVO, WVO, or 
>> biodiesel system for me to drive? I am looking for a 1/2 or 3/4 ton 
>> van, not really a "minivan" type of vehicle.
>>
>> Again, I am naive and new to all this and hope your thoughts will 
>> help ground me and get me pointed in the right direction. I guess I 
>> have to go buy a diesel vehicle before I can get moving on SVO, WVO, 
>> or Biodiesel fueling, right?
>> Thank you very much.
>>
>> Luke
>>  
>>
>> Luke Kareklas
>> *Luke the Juggler*
>> *614-764-8010*
>>
>> www.LuketheJuggler.com 
>>
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Mike Weaver]

Maybe an open source car?
The problem with new cars is that they can't be fixed.  I knew someone 
who got a new BMW 540 and it was replaced by insurance after the radio was
stolen.  Wiring and electronics too messed up to fix.  80k disposable car!



Dawie Coetzee wrote:

> The problem I've got with the Smart is that it embodies the motor 
> industry's kind of closed-technology, capital-intensive, 
> disposable, owner-unfixable, economies-of-scale-sensitive approach as 
> much any other new car: possibly even more. I've often wondered if it 
> can be corrected by a few minor tweaks, but every time I've done that 
> exercise I've found that I'd very early cast out every last vestige of 
> the Smart and designed an Austin Seven instead!
>  
> Also, the Smart's brief is to do the job that ought to be done by 
> walking. -D
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> Sent: Monday, 21 May, 2007 11:28:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical 
> Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation
>
> Still, this morning as I went into the city in my relatively small VW
> Biodiesel Golf, I saw hundreds of single occupant SUVs
> pass me.  Why don't we have smart cars in the US?  I don't even need a
> VW most of the time.  All I need to carry is a few computers and a
> tools.
>
>
> Keith Addison wrote:
>
> >If you put a bit more effort into it I'm sure you can hit $10 a 
> gallon soon.
> >
> >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69797.html
> >Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices
> >
> >Best
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted
> >>For Inflation
> >>
> >>US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18
> >>
> >>This is a point we have been dreading. Before this,
> >>the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price
> >>was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation,
> >>we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a
> >>steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday
> >>(Sunday) on PBS.
> >>
> >>CNN verifies it, today:
> >>http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/
> >>
> >>Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able
> >>to anticipate what the number would be, or when it
> >>would get reached:
> >>http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006
> >>
> >>We got close in 2006
> >>http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html
> >>
> >>We got closer, earlier this month:
> >>http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867
> >>
> >>http://zfacts.com/p/35.html
> >>
> >>This website that was set up to say "gasoline is cheap"
> >>now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their
> >>standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp
> >>
> >>http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm 
> <http://infohost.nmt.edu/%7Earmiller/gasprices.htm>
> >>
> >>This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading
> >>verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that
> >>some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality.
> >>http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm
> >>
> >>Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of
> >>the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However,
> >>since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month)
> >>and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars,
> >>and also in inflation adjusted dollars.
> >>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR200
> >>7040402251.html
> >>
> >>http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres
> >>-the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it
> >>weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: "says Tom Kloza, chief oil
> >>analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy consulting
> >>firm. "The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and
> >>within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The article
> >>was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from
> >>before that. Those prices better drop fast. Instead they have
> >>clim

Re: [Biofuel] Governments using filters to censor Internet, survey finds

[Mike Weaver]

What are you running?  DD-WRT?  That's what I run on my Buffalos.
Been tinkering with antennas some.

Joe Street wrote:

> Hey Doug;
>
> I have always noticed your amateur radio callsign attached to your 
> signature.  I looked you up on QRZ.com and see you have an advanced 
> rating. So now that this subject has come up I have to ask if you have 
> any involvement with the Hinternet or any HSMM activity on the 9cm 
> amateur band?? About 10 years ago I began playing with microwaves and 
> set a record (along with VE3SMA) on the 24 Ghz band at 76km using 1mW 
> of power and a surplus military radar dish.  That experience made it 
> pretty easy for me to build a hinternet node using a junked satelite 
> tv dish hacked to a wireless router which I have reprogrammed with new 
> firmware.( not necessary but gives increased functionality to the 
> router)  I believe it is important for the techies and especially ones 
> who hang around places like this to take some steps towards holding 
> ground with information connectivity.  Ever considered it? I can show 
> you how.
>
> 72
> Joe (ve3vxo)
>
> Doug Younker wrote:
>
>>M&K DuPree wrote:
>>  
>>
>>>Anyone know how JTF List members can know if JTF is ever filtered?  
>>>Would each member stop receiving posts to the List?  Would we each 
>>>receive only certain posts?  Thanks in advance for any ideas, comment.  
>>>Mike DuPree
>>>
>>>
>>
>>As I read the article what was labeled, "filtering" would more 
>>accurately be called, blocking access to to web content.  As in the U. 
>>S. military recent action of blocking service personnel's access to 
>>myspace, youtube along with other web pages.   This access is blocked 
>>when using military computers, LANs, but not from other internet access 
>>options like home and public computers.
>>Doug, N0LKK
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Mike Weaver]

Still, this morning as I went into the city in my relatively small VW 
Biodiesel Golf, I saw hundreds of single occupant SUVs
pass me.  Why don't we have smart cars in the US?  I don't even need a 
VW most of the time.  All I need to carry is a few computers and a
tools.


Keith Addison wrote:

>If you put a bit more effort into it I'm sure you can hit $10 a gallon soon.
>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69797.html
>Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>  
>
>>US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted 
>>For Inflation
>>
>>US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18
>>
>>This is a point we have been dreading. Before this,
>>the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price
>>was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation,
>>we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a
>>steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday
>>(Sunday) on PBS.
>>
>>CNN verifies it, today:
>>http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/
>>
>>Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able
>>to anticipate what the number would be, or when it
>>would get reached:
>>http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006
>>
>>We got close in 2006
>>http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html
>>
>>We got closer, earlier this month:
>>http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867
>>
>>http://zfacts.com/p/35.html
>>
>>This website that was set up to say "gasoline is cheap"
>>now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their
>>standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp
>>
>>http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm
>>
>>This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading
>>verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that
>>some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality.
>>http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm
>>
>>Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of
>>the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However,
>>since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month)
>>and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars,
>>and also in inflation adjusted dollars.
>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR200 
>>7040402251.html
>>
>>http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres 
>>-the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it 
>>weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: "says Tom Kloza, chief oil 
>>analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy consulting 
>>firm. "The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and 
>>within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The article 
>>was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from 
>>before that. Those prices better drop fast. Instead they have 
>>climbed about 15%. Here is an other quote from the deceptive 
>>"experts:" "The most recent Energy Dept. forecast, released Apr.10, 
>>predicted retail regular gasoline prices would average $2.81 per 
>>gallon in the summer of 2007 (April-September)." We are already 
>>nearly 40% through that time, and prices are still climbing. Here is 
>>another one: ""We expect to see prices flatten around where they are 
>>now," says Douglas MacIntyre, senior oil analyst for the f
>>ederal Energy Information Administration, part of the DOE. "More 
>>refinery outages and higher crude prices could push it to $3 Since 
>>then the price has climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest price in 
>>history. More: "experts say consumers are actually getting a bargain 
>>at the pump, as prices are still lower than in the early 1980s, 
>>adjusted for inflation." Since then the price has climbed about 18%, 
>>to $3.18, the highest pump price in history. Another: "On a national 
>>average, gasoline prices actually decreased for the week of Apr. 23, 
>>falling 0.7 to $2.87 per gallon" 
>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20070426/bs_bw/apr2007db20070426139334Since 
>>then the price has climbed 11%, to $3.18, the highest price in 
>>history. Also the old record year 1981 only averaged $2.64 (adjusted 
>>to 2006 dollars) while 2006 averaged $2.81, and this year is looking 
>>to set a new record average, not just the highest price records. . 
>>http://www.swivel.com/data_columns/spreadsheet/2690244 However, 
>>gasoline is
>>still a lot more expensive in other countries. And another curious 
>>fact. Adjusted for inflation, the cost of oil was around $90 a 
>>barrel, back in 1981. It is hanging at around 2/3rds of that today. 
>>The difference is going to the oil companies, not for the purchase 
>>of oil. They are currently, with two oil men in the White house, 
>>reaping the largest profits of any companies in the history of the 
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>>
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] EMF-Omega-News 5. May 2007 (April articles)

[Mike Weaver]

Two legs bad.
Four legs good.

Keith Addison wrote:

>I can see what you're saying Mike, and I agree, but it has a limited 
>sense. I think you should be more inclusive
>
>Certainly, as you said, "We are all bound to each other and the 
>planet in a grand scheme of interdependence, where what happens to a 
>part affects the whole." We're all in the same lifeboat. However, 
>right now, we don't have the freedom or the independence to make this 
>interdependence a reality, or at least not in our political and 
>economic behaviour. We've become dependent on the wrong things, we're 
>like drug addicts, and as such we deny the interdependence that is 
>our natural state. We have to free ourselves of these inimical 
>influences.
>
>Freedom from oppression, from injustice and exploitation, the 
>independence of communities where such freedoms are upheld, and of 
>the individuals that comprise such communites, these are real enough 
>terms, clear, useful, not evil.
>
>Where Dawie comes from, and where I also come from, they were 
>extremely real and immediate up until quite recently, and probably 
>still are, if perhaps in a somewhat different way.
>
>I don't think Dawie needs to provide any documentation, IMHO.
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>  
>
>>"Freedom" and "Independence"...Obfuscation.
>>Dawie, I suspect we probably do have the same beef with the 
>>same stuff, but I'm not sure we agree on the reasons for the same 
>>stuff, especially if you can't understand why I want to eliminate 
>>"freedom" and "independence" from the vocabulary.  These are sloppy 
>>words, based upon a superficial view of the world. And ultimately 
>>they are used to enslave NOT to "free" or make anyone "independent," 
>>which just can't happen because there IS no "freedom," there IS no 
>>"independence."
>>  You say "I must maintain that these terms, and the ideas that 
>>they embody, are much older than the 'minority who want us to 
>>believe the supposed reality of these words' of which you speak. 
>>Both terms have a rich history in the common tongue, and 
>>consequently a wealth of meanings and senses and associations, some 
>>of which quite contradict others. Especially 'freedom' has such an 
>>abundance of honourable associations that it would be unwise to 
>>reject it for the sake of a recent pernicious sense." Documentation 
>>please.  Huge task, I know, but you're the one making this 
>>statement, so I'd like to read your evidence as to such.  I'm going 
>>to suggest that the history of these words will reveal their 
>>appearance alongside the rise of the human "community" and 
>>especially leadership who would use the community to further their 
>>personal ends, no matter how many lives their personal ends might 
>>require.
>>I would also like to assuage your "fear that, if 'freedom' is 
>>susceptible to an evil interpretation, how much moreso might an idea 
>>be that is specifically placed counter to freedom?"  Take away 
>>"freedom," reveal the word for the impostor that it is, and there 
>>can be no idea counter to it.
>>As far as your comments go in the paragraph regarding the 
>>common tongue and buying the meaning etc, no problemo.  Not sure 
>>what this has to do with the elimination of "freedom" and 
>>"independence."  I stated in an earlier response I have no problem 
>>with and in fact accept "individuality."
>>So, "Man does not live by bread alone," eh?  I much prefer 
>>"Praise Allah, but first tie your camel to a post," a Sufi saying. 
>>And hell yes I would do my level best to stop someone from 
>>strangling folks in the neighborhood (unless the folks they were 
>>strangling were "freedom" and "independence"), but it is NOT my 
>>"freedom" and "independence" I would be risking to stop them...it 
>>would be my "individuality."
>>References to Schumacher etc, ok.
>>Next paragraph, about losing left wingers because of some 
>>illogical chain of ideas proceeding from the word "individuality," I 
>>really don't give a damn.  If they go that route with the word, then 
>>they deserve the chains they perceive the "imperialists" lock upon 
>>them.  The live in fear, not in love.  They live in too much concern 
>>for what the Jones's are up to and not in what they should be up to. 
>>When they spend more time keeping the weeds out of their own gardens 
>>and helping their neighbors do same, in other words, maintaining a 
>>healthy environment for the world to grow, there will be no room for 
>>the imperialists.  Comprende?
>>Finally, no, no need to ask "independence of what."  There IS 
>>NO "independence" to ask "of what."  So I'm not sure what your 
>>"unstated predicate" might be.
>>These are evil words, Dawie, especially for how they have been 
>>used to turn our attention from reality and enslave humanity to the 
>>extent that we have all the crap being produced that is upsetting 
>>the delicate balance to carry on LIFE, LIFE that is INDIVIDUAL and 
>>INTERDEPENDENT, not "free" and "independen

Re: [Biofuel] Why I love living in Virginia

[Mike Weaver]

*1994: Jewish settler kills 30 at holy site:*
A Jewish settler, Baruch Goldstein, has killed up to 30 Palestinians at 
a mosque in Hebron after opening fire as people gathered for Friday 
morning prayers.

Jeez, Kirk, you can do better than that.  Try again.


Kirk McLoren wrote:

> you are convinced your understanding of the issue is more valid than 
> history.
> Our crazed shooter at the university wouldnt have gotten to first base 
> in Israel.
> Why?
>  
> Kirk
>
> */Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
> > The syphilized East had a much higher murder rate than the "wild
> " west.
> > Disarmed people are easy victims.
> >
> > Disarmed people are easy victims.
>
> I agree. The only way to stop gun violence is with more guns.
>
> Most tense situations would only be improved if both parties were
> armed.
> Just imagine how much better fender-benders would be if you were
> packing,
> and the other guy was packing. Even closer to home, think of how many
> domestic squabbles go on and on with no real resolution - they
> could be
> settled permanently with a gun.
>
> Please join the MRA in our quest to arm eveyone.
>
> The 'Merican Rifle Association.
> "Settle It Permanently. Settle It With A Gun"
>
>
> > As for bears and wolves the 2 legged wolves are worse by far.
> >
> > Kirk
> >
> > Zeke Yewdall wrote:
> > H. I always thought that the east coast was a bit more
> civilized or
> > something, but that sounds just like Idaho. At least there are bears
> > and wolves there, so there's a conceiveable need for guns.
> >
> > On 5/17/07, Paul S Cantrell wrote: Mike,
> > You are welcome to move to South Carolina:
> >
> > S.C. lawmakers consider allowing concealed weapons on campuses
> > http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/05/16/guns.on.campus.ap/
> >
> > Hopefully it won't pass before the legislature goes home and cooler
> > heads will prevail.
> >
> > I should mention that I work at a state college in Charleston. Ack!
> >
> > On 5/15/07, Mike Weaver < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> *Virginia Citizens Defense League to give away automatic pistols:*
> >>
> >>
> >> The raffle, designed to raise money for two Virginia gun
> dealers being
> >> sued by the City of New York
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > PC
> >
> > He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a
> switch
> >
> > An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made
> > in a very narrow field. - Niels Bohr (1885 - 1962)
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Re: [Biofuel] Why I love living in Virginia

[Mike Weaver]

> The syphilized East had a much higher murder rate than the "wild " west.
>   Disarmed people are easy victims.
>
>   Disarmed people are easy victims.

I agree.  The only way to stop gun violence is with more guns.

Most tense situations would only be improved if both parties were armed. 
Just imagine how much better fender-benders would be if you were packing,
and the other guy was packing.  Even closer to home, think of how many
domestic squabbles go on and on with no real resolution - they could be
settled permanently with a gun.

Please join the MRA in our quest to arm eveyone.

The 'Merican Rifle Association.
"Settle It Permanently.  Settle It With A Gun"


>   As for bears and wolves the 2 legged wolves are worse by far.
>
>   Kirk
>
> Zeke Yewdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   H.  I always thought that the east coast was a bit more civilized or
> something, but that sounds just like Idaho.  At least there are bears
> and wolves there, so there's a conceiveable need for guns.
>
>   On 5/17/07, Paul S Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Mike,
> You are welcome to move to South Carolina:
>
> S.C. lawmakers consider allowing concealed weapons on campuses
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/05/16/guns.on.campus.ap/
>
> Hopefully it won't pass before the legislature goes home and cooler
> heads will prevail.
>
> I should mention that I work at a state college in Charleston.  Ack!
>
> On 5/15/07, Mike Weaver < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> *Virginia Citizens Defense League to give away automatic pistols:*
>>
>>
>> The raffle, designed to raise money for two Virginia gun dealers being
>> sued by the City of New York
>> 
>
>
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[Biofuel] 2008 elections

[Mike Weaver]

*“The wheels have come off, the engine is on fire and no one is 
driving,” Captain David Iglesias told me yesterday. I’d asked the Naval 
Reserve officer, heading off to duty in Norfolk, why he didn’t want his 
old job back, United States Attorney for New Mexico.*

The busted, burning, ghost-mobile he described is the Department of 
Justice, driven by Alberto Gonzales. Or is Karl Rove at the wheel? Or no 
one? Whomever, he didn’t want to jump back into Bush’s Justice Jalopy.

Today, Iglesias is in Washington to pull the junker off the road, 
meeting with the Office of Special Counsel where Obstruction of Justice 
may be swirling around in the old oil pan laying on the garage floor.

The ex-prosecutor and I, long, long ago, had both worked for the 
Attorney General of New Mexico, a state where the snakes have less venom 
than the politicians.

First, there’s Senator Pete Domenici, whose hiss is as smooth as his 
bite is deadly.

Domenici, softball interviewer Chris Matthews notes, is a nice guy. On 
TV. However, the Republican Senator’s call to Iglesias at his home, just 
before the 2006 midterm election, asking the prosecutor about filing 
charges against Democrats in the week before the vote, was downright 
rude. When the prosecutor replied in the negative, the Senator hung up.

And apparently, the Senator contacted one Monica Goodling who, scribbled 
on a notepad: “Iglesias - Domenici says he doesn’t move cases.” Oops. 
Goodling, a political stooge working for Gonzales, was listing the 
reasons for firing US attorneys. Now, rudeness was no longer the issue. 
Firing a prosecutor for failing to “move cases” — handcuff citizens at 
the request of a Senator — is Obstruction of Justice.

No wonder Monica took The Fifth.

Of course, the Rove dogsbodies at Justice couldn’t tell Congress they 
fired Iglesias because he wouldn’t jump at the Senator’s rattle. They 
reached for another complaint on Monica’s list: “absentee landlord.” 
Deputy Assistant Attorney General Paul McNulty used absenteeism as the 
official reason for dismissal. McNulty’s resigned.

He should have taken The Fifth….

The problem is that the US Attorney from New Mexico was missing for 40 
days because he was on active duty. I guess the White House gang doesn’t 
go to the movies. Iglesias is a celebrity Navy lawyer, the role model 
for Tom Cruise in /A Few Good Men/.

“Our ‘Mission Accomplished’ President attacked you for spending time in 
the US Naval Reserve?” I asked Iglesias…

“Appalling,” he said. And illegal. Firing a reserve officer for missing 
work for active duty violates the Uniform Services Employment Rights and 
Reemployment Act (USERRA).

Pressuring a prosecutor to bust Democrats and punishing a soldier for 
deploying are the little felonies, the warm-up crimes, in this caper.

The real crime is the one they are about to commit: The Theft of 2008.

Iglesias told me he was continually being pushed to bring “voter fraud” 
cases beginning in 2004. Unfortunately, Iglesias went along with the 
game, at least at the opening kick-off, holding a press conference just 
weeks before the Bush-Kerry race, announcing he was setting up a task 
force with the FBI to hunt down evil voters.

But there were none. “It was the old throwing pasta at the wall trick. 
Something’s got to stick. And it didn’t,” he said.

So Iglesias got the axe. “I didn’t help them out on their bogus voter 
fraud prosecutions.”

Notably, Iglesias has been signaling these cases were phony-baloney for 
two years. I got that word from his office in 2005 while reporting for 
BBC Television on what passes for elections in the USA. But the New 
Mexico and US press continued to hawk the Republican line that masses of 
illegal voters, especially illegal immigrants, were jamming the polling 
stations.

One thing the American media still has failed to do is to explain /why/ 
the GOP wanted to bring these cases. In New Mexico, in Arizona, in 
Georgia and a dozen other states, Republicans were pushing laws 
requiring voters to have special ID. In 2004, at least a /quarter 
million/ citizens lost their vote because they didn’t bring in the right 
ID. And which quarter million? Overwhelming, it was Black, Brown and 
“Blue” Americans.

Yet, despite this tidal wave of a quarter million “fraudulent” voters, 
not one was charged with a crime. Hmmm. Maybe they were innocent. If 
there’s no crime, there’s no need for a law to stop the crime. But 
Republicans don’t want to stop voter fraud — they want to stop voters.
Iglesias wouldn’t help them do it. He did the PR stunt — but he wouldn’t 
handcuff the innocent. Was he fired for that? His termination was 
ordered by Tim Griffin, Karl Rove’s right-hand hitman. Were Griffin and 
Rove punishing Iglesias for not bringing the fake cases?

Iglesias said, “If his intent was, look what happened with Iglesias, if 
that was his intent, he’s in big trouble. That is obstruction of 
justice, one /classic/ example.”

Figuring out Rove’s intent requires cra

[Biofuel] Why I love living in Virginia

[Mike Weaver]

*Virginia Citizens Defense League to give away automatic pistols:*


The raffle, designed to raise money for two Virginia gun dealers being 
sued by the City of New York 
,
 
has drawn international attention to Virginia's gun laws. New York 

 
has filed lawsuits against six Virginia gun shops that the city contends 
sold guns illegally to undercover agents.

Passions are strong. Supervisor Penelope A. Gross (D-Mason), who has 
been trying to stop the drawing, said a man with a gun holstered on his 
hip startled her staff when he showed up at her office Monday demanding 
to talk about her opposition to the raffle. Such gun-toting is legal in 
Virginia.

"That is how crazy it is getting: People openly carrying weapons will 
come to my office demanding to see me," Gross said. "It is an 
intimidating tactic, and I don't have to see them."

Philip Van Cleave 
,
 
president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, said he has not heard 
from Fairfax 

 
officials. As of Tuesday night, Van Cleave said the event will go on as 
scheduled at 7:30 p.m.

"Someone needs to show us it's illegal. There needs to be some kind of 
proof," Van Cleave said. "Surely, Fairfax has got more important things 
pressing to worry about."

A few weeks after:

The *Virginia Tech massacre* was a school shooting 
 that unfolded as two 
attacks about two hours apart on April 16 
, 2007 
, on the Virginia Tech 

 
campus in Blacksburg 
, Virginia 
, United States 
. Seung-Hui Cho 
 killed 32 people^[4] 
 
and wounded many more^[3] 
 
before committing suicide,^[5] 
 
making it the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history.^[6] 
 ^[7] 


Cho, a South Korean  who had 
moved to the U.S. at age 8, was a senior majoring 
 in English 
 at Virginia Tech.^[5] 
 
In 2005, he had been accused of stalking two female students^[8] 
 
and was declared mentally ill 
 by a Virginia special 
justice.^[9] 
 
At least one professor had asked him to pursue counseling.^[10] 


The incident, which received worldwide media coverage, sparked intense 
debate about gun laws, the perpetrator's state of mind,^[11] 
 
journalism ethics 
, the 
responsibility of college administrations, and more.

Television news organizations that aired portions of the killer's 
multimedia manifesto were criticized for it by victims' families, 
Virginia law enforcement officials, and the American Psychiatric 
Association.^[12] 
 
^[13] 

The massacre also reignited the gun politics debate in the United 
States, and drew criticism of U.S. laws and culture from commenters 
around the world.^[14] 
 
Cho bought semi-automatic pistols 
 two years after 
being declared mentally unsound, despite federal law intended to prevent 
such purchases.^[15] 
 
Within two weeks, Virginia Governor 
 Tim Kaine 
 issued an executive order 
intended to close gaps between federal and state law that had allowed 
Cho to purchase handguns.^[16] 

[Biofuel] It is a mystery why stevia, a South American plant more than 300 times sweeter than sugar, remains illegal for use as a sweetener in the United States.

[Mike Weaver]

Bitter Battle over Truth in Sweeteners

By Christopher Wanjek , LiveScience's Bad 
Medicine Columnist

posted: 15 May 2007 09:45 am ET

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McNeil Nutritionals, the makers of Splenda, the most popular-selling 
artificial sweetener in the United States, is feeling bitter these days.

Merisant, the makers of Equal, sued Splenda in France and in the United 
States over Splenda's slogan, "made from sugar so it tastes like sugar," 
which Equal and an unlikely ally, the Sugar Association, say is misleading.

Last week a French court sided with Equal, ordering Splenda to punt the 
slogan in France. Then on Friday, just moments before a U.S. jury was 
about to read its verdict, Splenda, sensing defeat, reached an 
undisclosed settlement with Equal.

The last-second settlement was highly unusual, forcing the judge to 
instruct the jury never to speak of its verdict. And both companies are 
mum on the settlement, which insiders say will cost Splenda millions of 
dollars. It is unclear who the winner is, though, as all sides have 
emerged looking sour.

*Sweet slogan*

Splenda, approved by the Food and Drug Administration in 1998, is known 
chemically as trichlorosucrose. Splenda's makers like the alternate 
name, sucralose, which was created to sound more like sucrose, the 
chemical name for table sugar. Sucralose isn't sucrose, much like 
cellulose isn't celery.

There are several ways to make trichlorosucrose. One can start with 
raffinose, which is a carbohydrate containing three different kinds of 
sugar molecules, or one can use sucrose. Regardless, the process 
ultimately involves replacing three oxygen-hydrogen groups in a sucrose 
(sugar) molecule with three chlorine atoms. Hence the claim that Splenda 
is made from sugar.

 From a responsible chemist's standpoint, the Splenda slogan is 
ludicrous. This is like the automobile industry saying that ozone, O3, 
is as healthy as air because it is made from oxygen, O2. Rock candy is 
made from sugar, and the sugar is still there. But the sugar is Splenda 
is merely a chemical placeholder needed to added chlorine, the substance 
that makes trichlorosucrose more than 200 times sweeter than sugar.

That is, sugar doesn't make Splenda sweet; chlorine does.

*Lesser of two evils?*

Splenda's makers packaged their product to sound more natural, knowing 
consumers worry about alleged health consequences of other synthesized 
sweeteners, such as Equal (aspartame) or Sweet & Low (saccharine). And 
the plan worked. Within two years after its introduction, Splenda 
overtook Equal and now commands about two-thirds of the artificial 
sweetener market.

Just because a synthesized molecule is similar to a natural sugar 
molecule doesn't make it safe. Just a one- or two-atom change makes a 
big difference when ingesting water versus hydrogen peroxide, beer 
versus wood alcohol, or carbon dioxide versus carbon monoxide.

The true test of safety lies in long-term health studies, not wordplay. 
Splenda does have dozens of studies to demonstrate that it is generally 
safe for human consumption, so many countries have approved its use in 
beverages and baked goods.

Yet all sweeteners, artificial or natural, have pluses and minuses. 
Sugar is associated with obesity, tooth decay and hyperactivity. One 
must wonder whether such a "chemical," atom for atom, would be approved 
by the FDA if it were made in a lab. Recent case studies have revealed 
that Splenda, like Equal, can cause migraine headaches, but the 
incidence is rare.

Sugar can make bitter foods more palatable, which is why the World 
Health Organization allows some added sugar as part of a healthy diet. 
Splenda, Equal and saccharine have been a godsend to diabetics and 
dieters. Some folks will accept a remote chance of developing cancer, 
although none of these products have been shown conclusively to cause 
human cancer.

Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be Titrationquestion from a Newbie

[Mike Weaver]

I found it at a well-stocked independant pharmacy

Thomas Kelly wrote:

>>Mike Weaver wrote:
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>Look for 99% anhydrous iso
>>
>>
> 
>
>Where?
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Look for 99% anhydrous iso
>>
>>Thomas Kelly wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Andrew,
>>> I thought that "rubbing alcohol" (isopropyl) sold at pharmacies 
>>>was 70%.
>>>I just noticed that a container of isopropyl alcohol  in our bathroom 
>>>cabinet was 91%. It was purchased at a local pharmacy; 1 quart (950ml) 
>>>for $2.49 (USD).
>>> Ken P. commented that purity wasn't critical. I'm not so sure 
>>>about 70%, but 90+% might be OK. You can't beat the price.
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be Titrationquestion from a Newbie

[Mike Weaver]

Look for 99% anhydrous iso

Thomas Kelly wrote:

> Andrew,
>  I thought that "rubbing alcohol" (isopropyl) sold at pharmacies 
> was 70%.
> I just noticed that a container of isopropyl alcohol  in our bathroom 
> cabinet was 91%. It was purchased at a local pharmacy; 1 quart (950ml) 
> for $2.49 (USD).
>  Ken P. commented that purity wasn't critical. I'm not so sure 
> about 70%, but 90+% might be OK. You can't beat the price.
> 
> Tom
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Zeke Yewdall 
> *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:45 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be
> Titrationquestion from a Newbie
>
> It seems that hydroponics stores carry very pure isopropyl alcohol
> as well.  I seem to remember a price of about $40 for one US
> gallon for the  99.5% stuff, which is similar to the price you
> found though.
>
> Z
>
> On 5/14/07, *Thomas Kelly* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
>
> Andrew,
>
> > Now all of this rests upon me getting my alcohols right, so
> search, at
> > the top of the page, for "isopropyl" at this site,
> www.rsaustralia.com  .
> > This gives a range of container sizes. There is also an MSDS at:
> >
> >
> 
> http://docs-asia.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0065/0900766b80065e94.pdf
> 
> 
> >
> > Have I found the right stuff? Assuming I've got the right
> stuff, it's a
> > lot easier to get 99.7% IPA from an electronics place than a
> chemical
> > supply place. Electronics places are probably a lot more
> common as well.
>
>  Isopropanol is what you want for titrating WVO;
> Isopropanol = Isopropyl
> Alcohol.
>  Although 99.7% is very good purity, $16.90 (AUD?) for 500
> ml quoted at
> www.rsaustralia.com   is a bit
> expensive.  If you have had success with small
> test batches using virgin oil and are ready to move on to WVO (and
> titration) it is probably worth it to get the best quality
> isopropanol you
> can find and afford. While you are using the expensive
> Isopropanol keep a
> heads up for a cheaper source.
>  As I said, I use a gas line antifreeze called "Iso-Heet".
> It is
> available at auto supply stores here in the US for about $2
> (USD) for 335ml.
> Other gas antifreeze/de-watering products may also be
> isopropanol.
>
>  Best of Luck to You,
> Tom
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Re: [Biofuel] Any Diesel gurus put there?

[Mike Weaver]

It's possible.

I don't really know much about diesels - I mostly worked on gas engines 
way back.

The fule lines seem tight.

I'm going to run a solvent through the entire fuel system - maybe the 
injector is gummed up.

Thnaks for the responnce!

-Mike

A. Lawrence wrote:

>Any chance you've disturbed something and it's sucking some air now?? Go
>over the whole system carefully... Easier to pull in air than fuel...
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:28 PM
>Subject: [Biofuel] Any Diesel gurus put there?
>
>
>  
>
>>Greetings all,
>>
>>Left my 4.7 HP Changfa diesel outside in the shed through the winter and
>>now it won't start.
>>I left it with about 1/2 a tank of BD in it, and actually I did get it
>>to start and run twice as soon as the weather warmed up (this week).
>>It started with a fair amount of black smoke as it usually does then I
>>ran it for a few minutes and shut it off.
>>
>>Usually when diesels have a starting problem it's fuel delivery, so I
>>pulled the lines apart, cleaned everything including the injector.
>>I checked the spray pattern and it looks good.  I drained out all the
>>old BD and filled it with fresh petro diesel and cranked it until the
>>line filled up again.
>>
>>But, it won't start.
>>
>>So being an old hand at automotive diesels, I linked two 12 V batteries
>>in series to get 24 volts, which pretty much doubles the crankiing speed,
>>and cranked it until the engine got good and warm.
>>
>>As it is heating up I know it's firing some, but not enough to catch.  I
>>gave it a few shots of ether and that seems to bring it closer to
>>running, but I don't want to blow a hole in the piston.
>>
>>Right now it feels as if it will almost catch, but now quite.
>>
>>It produces a ton of white smoke, which usually means fuel delivery
>>problems, but it really does seem to be pumping enough fuel.
>>
>>I haven't really wrenched in years, but my guess is that the injector is
>>somehow messed up.
>>
>>BTW, the engine is new and has almost no hours on it.
>>
>>Any greybeards out there with advice?
>>
>>TIA,
>>
>>Mike
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Re: [Biofuel] graybearded diesel advice

[Mike Weaver]

Thanks - I'm looking for a manual now!

Roderick Roth wrote:

> Hi Mike
>  This definitly sounds like timing and certain diesels will drive the 
> mechanical fuel pump with a tapered collet. Since your engine is quite 
> new, I would suspect that the jam nut has either slightly loosened or 
> was not tight enough from the factory, allowing the pump to turn on 
> the taper slightly out of sync. Then it's quite possible for the pump 
> to lock itself again in the new position.
>  
>  This excact same thing happened on my 95 Dodge cummins . There is no 
> keyway on the shaft. Alighnment proceedure goes as follows: A) find 
> piston TDC on the power stroke, B) measure the injection plunger 
> height at its most high position and lock the fuel pump in that 
> position C) finally install the drive gear or sproket "what have you" 
> on the taper and lock it TIGHT with the jam-nut. Might be easier 
> for ya to get the exact instructions from the dealer or a local fuel 
> pump shop. Good luck!!  p.s. Dont forget to unlock the fuel pump LOL 
> b-4 cranking!!!
>  Swc. :)
>
>
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[Biofuel] Any Diesel gurus put there?

[Mike Weaver]

Greetings all,

Left my 4.7 HP Changfa diesel outside in the shed through the winter and 
now it won't start.
I left it with about 1/2 a tank of BD in it, and actually I did get it 
to start and run twice as soon as the weather warmed up (this week).
It started with a fair amount of black smoke as it usually does then I 
ran it for a few minutes and shut it off.

Usually when diesels have a starting problem it's fuel delivery, so I 
pulled the lines apart, cleaned everything including the injector.
I checked the spray pattern and it looks good.  I drained out all the 
old BD and filled it with fresh petro diesel and cranked it until the
line filled up again.

But, it won't start.

So being an old hand at automotive diesels, I linked two 12 V batteries 
in series to get 24 volts, which pretty much doubles the crankiing speed,
and cranked it until the engine got good and warm.

As it is heating up I know it's firing some, but not enough to catch.  I 
gave it a few shots of ether and that seems to bring it closer to 
running, but I don't want to blow a hole in the piston.

Right now it feels as if it will almost catch, but now quite.

It produces a ton of white smoke, which usually means fuel delivery 
problems, but it really does seem to be pumping enough fuel.

I haven't really wrenched in years, but my guess is that the injector is 
somehow messed up.

BTW, the engine is new and has almost no hours on it.

Any greybeards out there with advice?

TIA,

Mike

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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

[Mike Weaver]

Biodiesel Smart Car

Joe Street wrote:

> SUV's are a laugh.(or else I'd cry)  The other day as I was walking 
> home from work I noticed a shiny black new looking SUV parked up the 
> street.  I think it was a jeep brand and in big letters emblazoned on 
> the rear bumper was the word PATRIOT.  I had a good belly laugh as I 
> walked by it lstening to some music by Dream Theater about stem cell 
> research and I thought, yeah it is your patriotic duty to drive an 
> inefficient vehicle in amerika isn't it.  LOL.
> Support Bushcobe a patriot, drive a Patriot.
>
> Joe
>
> Kirk McLoren wrote:
>
>> The Wellingtons are scary. Narcisstic and psychotic. How anyone could 
>> be that out of touch and yet pass for functioning. But they are in my 
>> neighborhood too.
>> I get the impression they have the intellectual perception of a 6 
>> year old and that isnt fair to a lot of 6 year olds.
>> Hate to be seen in something not new. And there are children going to 
>> bed hungry.
>> Disgusting toads.
>>  
>> Kirk
>>
>> */Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>>
>> I'm surprised at you, Keith. You're not very sympathetic.
>>
>>
>> SUV OWNERS PUZZLED BY HIGH GAS PRICES
>>
>>
>> by Ben Radstein, staff reporter
>>
>> Before the war in Iraq began, SUV owners were polled
>> about their attitudes toward the
>> upcoming conflict, and by a very wide margin, they supported the
>> idea.
>> They all seemed to believe that the war would lower oil prices,
>> and make
>> fueling their gas guzzling behemoths cheap. Now many are expressing
>> dismay that this has not occurred. I spoke again to William and
>> Susan
>> Wellington, who expressed confusion about the current situation.
>>
>> "I used to see bumper stickers and tee shirts that said kick
>> their ass,
>> take their gas." said Mr. Wellington, "We have done the first
>> part of
>> that, why not the rest? Iraq has the world's second largest oil
>> reserve,
>> and now we control it, but gas costs more now than it did before the
>> war. It is already over two dollars a gallon, and I need premium!"
>>
>> "We were going to buy a new SUV once the Escalade is eighteen months
>> old, and loses that new feeling," added Mrs. Wellington "but now
>> I don't
>> know. I hate having to be seen in anything old. If I didn't know
>> better,
>> I might think that young chap I saw on the University campus talking
>> about peak oil wasn't crazy."
>>
>> For those who don't know, peak oil
>> is the theory that the
>> world's oil supply can be represented as a bell curve. The first
>> half of
>> it will be easy to extract, and therefore cheap. The second half
>> would
>> be increasingly difficult to remove from the ground, and
>> increasingly
>> expensive. Depending upon whom you believe, the result of this
>> could be
>> mere inconvenience, prolonged recession, or war, famine,
>> pestilence and
>> death.
>>
>> I asked the Wellingtons to consider whether peak oil was a valid
>> theory,
>> and if we had hit it. Susan nodded no, and William bellowed.
>> "That's a
>> bunch of vegan tree-hugger doom-saying nonsense! Where did you
>> get that
>> idea, Al Gore? Are you trying to cause panic? Why do you liberals
>> hate
>> America? We will have oil for centuries to come if we just look
>> for it.
>> We have heard this nonsense since the 1970s. It was not true
>> then, and
>> it's not true now. I don't know exactly why gas prices are so
>> high, but
>> I would wager my last dollar that it is Bill Clinton's fault. After
>> all, it was he who drove Rush Limbaugh to drugs, and he should
>> accept
>> responsibility for that"
>>
>> The Wellingtons would not talk to me any further after that. I
>> wonder
>> how long big SUVs will keep selling with gas at these prices.
>> Will they
>> still say that fuel-efficient cars are only for tree-huggers in a
>> year?
>> One thing is for certain. People who depend on cheap oil don't
>> want to
>> talk about peak oil.
>>
>>
>>
>> Keith Addison wrote:
&g

Re: [Biofuel] Gas prices - & government hot air - making drivers fume

[Mike Weaver]

I'm sure the article is a get-up.

But you can find similar sentiment on the Internet just about everywhere.


Keith Addison wrote:

>>  Tanks for nothing, D.C. bigs!
>>
>>
>
>Ag siestog! Poor little things!
>
>LOL!
>
> From your previous:
>
>  
>
>>I am sick and tired of people wasting apostrophes.  There is a finite
>>supply, and the Oxford English Dictionary estimates that we've already
>>used more than half.
>>Moreover, with more and more people studying English, this alarming
>>trend will only get worse.
>>
>>
>
>I tend to agree with your concerns about Peak Apostrophe Mike, it's a 
>widely unrecognised threat to CAWKI. Sod the sound science, what it 
>needs is an Oscar-winning movie to turn the tide, or even a 
>Nobel-winning movie, if not a hit song, a t-shirt and a coffee mug.
>
>However, I do believe you've picked on the wrong apostrophe. Filling 
>in the spaces vacated by missing letters is just a sideline for 
>apostrophes, their true role, the crux of the biscuit, is 
>possessives. Eg, "Mike's Harley", sadly missing though it be, or, 
>more apt, "Mrs Wellington's SUV". Mine not yours, in other words. 
>It's the unprecedented overuse of such apostrophes as these and the 
>single-minded acquisition of them, with its accompanying waste of 
>virtually all finite resources, that's propelling us towards the edge 
>of the precipice, IMHO. Meanwhile property-neutral bio-apostrophes 
>remain uninvented, algae won't help, and neither will jatropha. 
>Looming just over the horizon is the crunch question of just how much 
>longer insurance companies are going to go on insuring shops.
>
>These bootless Wellingtons, by the way, pardon the dumb question, but 
>are they supposed to be for real? Looks like a throw-together 
>composite to me, the seams are showing.
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>  
>
>> Gas prices - & government hot air - making drivers fume
>>
>>BY ADAM NICHOLS
>>DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
>>
>>Thursday, May 3rd 2007, 3:26 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>   * Print
>>
>><http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/05/03/2007-05-03_tanks_for_nothi 
>>ng_dc_bigs_print.html>
>>   * Email 
>>   * Suggest a Story <http://www.nydailynews.com/nydn/submitStory.do>
>>
>>Sky-high gas prices have become a Memorial Day tradition, but this year
>>they're being pumped to the highest levels yet - and motorists have had
>>enough.
>>
>>AAA is warning that New York's record high average of $3.35 a gallon -
>>charged following Hurricane Katrina - could be topped in time for
>>America's busiest traveling weekend.
>>
>>And drivers don't see the spike ending on Memorial Day, according to a
>>survey.
>>
>>It found 72% of motorists expect to be paying more than $3.50 a gallon
>>in the next few months, 83% suspect illegal price gouging - and the huge
>>majority want it stopped.
>>
>>"Americans are fed up with skyrocketing gasoline prices and they want
>>action," said Pam Solo, president of the Civil Society Institute, which
>>questioned more than 1,000 motorists.
>>
>>"These survey findings should send a real jolt through the corridors of
>>the White House and the halls of Congress," Solo said.
>>
>>Researchers found drivers sick of dependence on Middle Eastern oil,
>>government reluctance to increase fuel efficiency requirements and oil
>>companies' empty promises about green energy.
>>
>>And the more it hits them in the pocket, the madder drivers are getting.
>>
>>"We are told refineries have had problems with explosions, fires and
>>maintenance, and it's pushing up prices," said AAA's New York spokesman
>>Robert Sinclair.
>>
>>"But we haven't had any manmade or natural disasters. I certainly don't
>>think it can be as bad as the devastation Hurricane Katrina caused to
>>refineries, yet the prices are going higher," he said.
>>
>>Motorists complained they were already planning to shorten Memorial Day
>>trips and are cutting back on spending to budget for higher costs at the
>>pump.
>>
>>But Sinclair said drivers have to take some of the blame.
>>
>>"Of course oil companies have their hand in this," he said. "But a large
>>part of this problem is that half the vehicles on the road are SUVs or
>>big minivans.
>>
>>"Americans, unfo

[Biofuel] Gas prices - & government hot air - making drivers fume

[Mike Weaver]

Tanks for nothing, D.C. bigs!


  Gas prices - & government hot air - making drivers fume

BY ADAM NICHOLS
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Thursday, May 3rd 2007, 3:26 PM



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Sky-high gas prices have become a Memorial Day tradition, but this year 
they're being pumped to the highest levels yet - and motorists have had 
enough.

AAA is warning that New York's record high average of $3.35 a gallon - 
charged following Hurricane Katrina - could be topped in time for 
America's busiest traveling weekend.

And drivers don't see the spike ending on Memorial Day, according to a 
survey.

It found 72% of motorists expect to be paying more than $3.50 a gallon 
in the next few months, 83% suspect illegal price gouging - and the huge 
majority want it stopped.

"Americans are fed up with skyrocketing gasoline prices and they want 
action," said Pam Solo, president of the Civil Society Institute, which 
questioned more than 1,000 motorists.

"These survey findings should send a real jolt through the corridors of 
the White House and the halls of Congress," Solo said.

Researchers found drivers sick of dependence on Middle Eastern oil, 
government reluctance to increase fuel efficiency requirements and oil 
companies' empty promises about green energy.

And the more it hits them in the pocket, the madder drivers are getting.

"We are told refineries have had problems with explosions, fires and 
maintenance, and it's pushing up prices," said AAA's New York spokesman 
Robert Sinclair.

"But we haven't had any manmade or natural disasters. I certainly don't 
think it can be as bad as the devastation Hurricane Katrina caused to 
refineries, yet the prices are going higher," he said.

Motorists complained they were already planning to shorten Memorial Day 
trips and are cutting back on spending to budget for higher costs at the 
pump.

But Sinclair said drivers have to take some of the blame.

"Of course oil companies have their hand in this," he said. "But a large 
part of this problem is that half the vehicles on the road are SUVs or 
big minivans.

"Americans, unfortunately, have a love affair with these big vehicles. 
They push demand up, and that pushes up the price."



Mike Weaver wrote:

>I'm surprised at you, Keith.  You're not very sympathetic.
>
>
>  SUV OWNERS PUZZLED BY HIGH GAS PRICES
>
>
>  by Ben Radstein, staff reporter
>
>Before the war in Iraq began, SUV owners were polled 
><http://www.uncoveror.com/suv.htm> about their attitudes toward the 
>upcoming conflict, and by a very wide margin, they supported the idea. 
>They all seemed to believe that the war would lower oil prices, and make 
>fueling their gas guzzling behemoths cheap. Now many are expressing 
>dismay that this has not occurred. I spoke again to William and Susan 
>Wellington, who expressed confusion about the current situation.
>
>"I used to see bumper stickers and tee shirts that said kick their ass, 
>take their gas." said Mr. Wellington, "We have done the first part of 
>that, why not the rest? Iraq has the world's second largest oil reserve, 
>and now we control it, but gas costs more now than it did before the 
>war. It is already over two dollars a gallon, and I need premium!"
>
>"We were going to buy a new SUV once the Escalade is eighteen months 
>old, and loses that new feeling," added Mrs. Wellington "but now I don't 
>know. I hate having to be seen in anything old. If I didn't know better, 
>I might think that young chap I saw on the University campus talking 
>about peak oil wasn't crazy."
>
>For those who don't know, peak oil 
><http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Index.html> is the theory that the 
>world's oil supply can be represented as a bell curve. The first half of 
>it will be easy to extract, and therefore cheap. The second half would 
>be increasingly difficult to remove from the ground, and increasingly 
>expensive. Depending upon whom you believe, the result of this could be 
>mere inconvenience, prolonged recession, or war, famine, pestilence and 
>death.
>
>I asked the Wellingtons to consider whether peak oil was a valid theory, 
>and if we had hit it. Susan nodded no, and William bellowed. "That's a 
>bunch of vegan tree-hugger doom-saying nonsense! Where did you get that 
>idea, Al Gore? Are you trying to cause panic? Why do you liberals hate 
>America? We will have oil for centuries t

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

[Mike Weaver]

You're related to Rush Limberger?

robert and benita rabello wrote:

>Mike Weaver wrote:
>
>  
>
>>William bellowed. "That's a 
>>bunch of vegan tree-hugger doom-saying nonsense! Where did you get that 
>>idea, Al Gore? Are you trying to cause panic? Why do you liberals hate 
>>America? We will have oil for centuries to come if we just look for it. 
>>We have heard this nonsense since the 1970s. It was not true then, and 
>>it's not true now. I don't know exactly why gas prices are so high, but 
>>I would wager my last dollar that  it is Bill Clinton's fault. After 
>>all, it was he who drove Rush Limbaugh to drugs, and he should accept 
>>responsibility for that"
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>
>This sounds like most of the people in my family . . .
>
>robert luis rabello
>"The Edge of Justice"
>"The Long Journey"
>New Adventure for Your Mind
>http://www.newadventure.ca
>
>Ranger Supercharger Project Page
>http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

[Mike Weaver]

Oh, cripes, not you too!  Another Cassandra.

Just filling my Escalade costs 100.00.  I've had to cut back on my 
driving, which affects my lifestyle.
I'm really PO'ed at the government.  They never think of us little guys; 
I mean what am I supposed to do?
I have another 3 years payments on a car I can't afford to drive.

I had to borrow against my house to afford this car and now my ARM is 
adjusting too.  I hope
it doesn't come down to gas or a roof over my head.  I will not take the 
bus like my stupid loud-mouth
know it all brother in law who bought a junky looking used VW TDI and 
won't shut up about his mileage.
This is America, not some smart-car-infested Eurpean city full of skinny 
smokers blabbing about running on Biodiesel.

And besides, the local governments gas taxes are just wasted the money 
is spent on stupid things like schools and senior services.

Cheap gas forever!

-'Merika



Kirk McLoren wrote:

> The Wellingtons are scary. Narcisstic and psychotic. How anyone could 
> be that out of touch and yet pass for functioning. But they are in my 
> neighborhood too.
> I get the impression they have the intellectual perception of a 6 year 
> old and that isnt fair to a lot of 6 year olds.
> Hate to be seen in something not new. And there are children going to 
> bed hungry.
> Disgusting toads.
>  
> Kirk
>
> */Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
> I'm surprised at you, Keith. You're not very sympathetic.
>
>
> SUV OWNERS PUZZLED BY HIGH GAS PRICES
>
>
> by Ben Radstein, staff reporter
>
> Before the war in Iraq began, SUV owners were polled
> about their attitudes toward the
> upcoming conflict, and by a very wide margin, they supported the
> idea.
> They all seemed to believe that the war would lower oil prices,
> and make
> fueling their gas guzzling behemoths cheap. Now many are expressing
> dismay that this has not occurred. I spoke again to William and Susan
> Wellington, who expressed confusion about the current situation.
>
> "I used to see bumper stickers and tee shirts that said kick their
> ass,
> take their gas." said Mr. Wellington, "We have done the first part of
> that, why not the rest? Iraq has the world's second largest oil
> reserve,
> and now we control it, but gas costs more now than it did before the
> war. It is already over two dollars a gallon, and I need premium!"
>
> "We were going to buy a new SUV once the Escalade is eighteen months
> old, and loses that new feeling," added Mrs. Wellington "but now I
> don't
> know. I hate having to be seen in anything old. If I didn't know
> better,
> I might think that young chap I saw on the University campus talking
> about peak oil wasn't crazy."
>
> For those who don't know, peak oil
> is the theory that the
> world's oil supply can be represented as a bell curve. The first
> half of
> it will be easy to extract, and therefore cheap. The second half
> would
> be increasingly difficult to remove from the ground, and increasingly
> expensive. Depending upon whom you believe, the result of this
> could be
> mere inconvenience, prolonged recession, or war, famine,
> pestilence and
> death.
>
> I asked the Wellingtons to consider whether peak oil was a valid
> theory,
> and if we had hit it. Susan nodded no, and William bellowed.
> "That's a
> bunch of vegan tree-hugger doom-saying nonsense! Where did you get
> that
> idea, Al Gore? Are you trying to cause panic? Why do you liberals
> hate
> America? We will have oil for centuries to come if we just look
> for it.
> We have heard this nonsense since the 1970s. It was not true then,
> and
> it's not true now. I don't know exactly why gas prices are so
> high, but
> I would wager my last dollar that it is Bill Clinton's fault. After
> all, it was he who drove Rush Limbaugh to drugs, and he should accept
> responsibility for that"
>
> The Wellingtons would not talk to me any further after that. I wonder
> how long big SUVs will keep selling with gas at these prices. Will
> they
> still say that fuel-efficient cars are only for tree-huggers in a
> year?
> One thing is for certain. People who depend on cheap oil don't
> want to
> talk about peak oil.
>
>
>
> Keith Addison wrote:
>
> >Different point I know, but US gasoline prices are currently
> $2.87 to
> >$3.37 a (US) gall

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

[Mike Weaver]

I'm surprised at you, Keith.  You're not very sympathetic.


  SUV OWNERS PUZZLED BY HIGH GAS PRICES


  by Ben Radstein, staff reporter

Before the war in Iraq began, SUV owners were polled 
 about their attitudes toward the 
upcoming conflict, and by a very wide margin, they supported the idea. 
They all seemed to believe that the war would lower oil prices, and make 
fueling their gas guzzling behemoths cheap. Now many are expressing 
dismay that this has not occurred. I spoke again to William and Susan 
Wellington, who expressed confusion about the current situation.

"I used to see bumper stickers and tee shirts that said kick their ass, 
take their gas." said Mr. Wellington, "We have done the first part of 
that, why not the rest? Iraq has the world's second largest oil reserve, 
and now we control it, but gas costs more now than it did before the 
war. It is already over two dollars a gallon, and I need premium!"

"We were going to buy a new SUV once the Escalade is eighteen months 
old, and loses that new feeling," added Mrs. Wellington "but now I don't 
know. I hate having to be seen in anything old. If I didn't know better, 
I might think that young chap I saw on the University campus talking 
about peak oil wasn't crazy."

For those who don't know, peak oil 
 is the theory that the 
world's oil supply can be represented as a bell curve. The first half of 
it will be easy to extract, and therefore cheap. The second half would 
be increasingly difficult to remove from the ground, and increasingly 
expensive. Depending upon whom you believe, the result of this could be 
mere inconvenience, prolonged recession, or war, famine, pestilence and 
death.

I asked the Wellingtons to consider whether peak oil was a valid theory, 
and if we had hit it. Susan nodded no, and William bellowed. "That's a 
bunch of vegan tree-hugger doom-saying nonsense! Where did you get that 
idea, Al Gore? Are you trying to cause panic? Why do you liberals hate 
America? We will have oil for centuries to come if we just look for it. 
We have heard this nonsense since the 1970s. It was not true then, and 
it's not true now. I don't know exactly why gas prices are so high, but 
I would wager my last dollar that  it is Bill Clinton's fault. After 
all, it was he who drove Rush Limbaugh to drugs, and he should accept 
responsibility for that"

The Wellingtons would not talk to me any further after that. I wonder 
how long big SUVs will keep selling with gas at these prices. Will they 
still say that fuel-efficient cars are only for tree-huggers in a year? 
One thing is for certain. People who depend on cheap oil don't want to 
talk about peak oil.



Keith Addison wrote:

>Different point I know, but US gasoline prices are currently $2.87 to 
>$3.37 a (US) gallon, very cheap!
>
>Weekly Retail Premium Gasoline Prices (Including Taxes)
>
>Date 4/30/07 (U.S. Dollars per Gallon)
>Belgium 6.80
>France 6.71
>Germany 7.09
>Italy 6.68
>Netherlands 7.77
>UK 7.07
>US 3.18
>
>Another source:
>
>pence/litre
>Austria 75
>Belguim 95
>Czech Rep 71.5
>Denmark 92.2
>Eire 74.5
>Finland 89.4
>France 85.2
>Germany 90
>Greece 65.7
>Netherlands 100.3
>Hungary 83.5
>Italy 87.2
>Luxembourg 76.5
>Norway 94.8
>Poland 79.5
>Portugal 85.8
>Spain 66.4
>Sweden 82.1
>Switzerland 72.1
>United Kingdom(Av) 96.5
>USA 37.5
>
>Gasoline in the US costs half or less what it costs in other 
>industrialised countries.
>
>Much too cheap, $10 would be better, make it soon.
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Like evey freakin law, special cases are not accounted for. 
>>Consequently, laws are made to be broken.  Bhandari needs to show 
>>the copy of his letter from the Wisconsin Dept of Ag to customers, 
>>make a big stink out of this.  Get folks to beat their state reps 
>>over the head.  Could be a great marketing tool for Bhandari, help 
>>him get free publicity, maybe even spread the idea to other 
>>stations.  This guy has been presented a gift horse.  Wonder if he's 
>>smart enough to cash in.  Mike DuPree
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: Kirk McLoren
>>To: biofuel
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:45 AM
>>Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices
>>
>>free market?
>>Kirk
>>
>>
>>
>>Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices 
>>   May 8 11:26 PM 
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Re: [Biofuel] Australia hands over man to US courts

[Mike Weaver]

Amiga or die

doug wrote:

>Careful, I can see this forming into a flame war! (Mine is bigger than yours 
>scenario)
>
> Really, once you wean off the Redmond product, it dosen't matter if its Linux 
>or Mac. The only reason why I probably would not buy a Mac is historical: I 
>used to hate the computer telling me I could not have my disc back: then 
>fighting it with a paperclip!
> regards Doug
>
>On Wednesday 09 May 2007 05:12:56 am Keith Addison wrote:
>  
>
>>>All of it.  Like Joseph Jenkins's book, with Linux, you can either do it
>>>yourself for free, or buy a DVD and support.
>>>I personally like Macs, though I have to say Mr. Jobs has turned out to
>>>have feet of clay...
>>>  
>>>
>>Hasn't he. Quite apart from the environmental issues, and the human
>>rights issues, quite a lot of long-time Mac users don't think too
>>highly of Apple these days, but the machines and OS are streets ahead
>>of anything else nonetheless. Including Linux.
>>
>>This is quite an interesting read:
>>
>>http://viewfromthemountain.typepad.com/applepeels/2007/04/the_real_apple_.h
>>tml Applepeels:
>>April 25, 2007
>>The real Apple environment
>>
>>Jobs's "Greener Apple" message:
>>http://www.apple.com/hotnews/agreenerapple/
>>
>>And, previously, to his credit, this:
>>
>>http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
>>Thoughts on Music
>>Steve Jobs
>>February 6, 2007
>>
>>Still can't see why I'd want to "Go Linux", but never mind.
>>
>>Keith
>>
>>
>>
>>>Keith Addison wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>Go Linux
>  
>
Why would I want to do that? That's for Windozers when they wake up,
not for Mac users when they fall asleep.

(How much of that message did you actually read?)

Keith



>Keith Addison wrote:
>  
>
>>>BEFORE he was extradited to the United States, Hew Griffiths, from
>>>Berkeley Vale in NSW, had never even set foot in America. But he had
>>>pirated software produced by American companies.
>>>
>>>Now, having been given up to the US by former justice minister Chris
>>>Ellison, Griffiths, 44, is in a Virginia cell, facing up to 10 years
>>>in an American prison after a guilty plea late last month.
>>>
>>>http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html
>>>  
>>>
>>I guess by now we've all seen those heart-rending pictures of poor
>>old Bill Gates sitting at the street corner in New York with his hat
>>out on the pavement, poor feller, driven to pennilessness by
>>dastardly software pirates. It's said 70 percent of all the software
>>in use worldwide is pirated - but for these filthy criminals Bill
>>could have had that money, instead of his paltry $20 billion, and he
>>wouldn't be in this sad state that he's in now. Disgraceful - where's
>>the law when you need it???
>>
>>This is a little difficult to explain though:
>>
>>http://www.josephjenkins.com/books_humanure.html
>>Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - The Humanure Handbook
>>
>>This is where Joseph Jenkins sells hard-copies of his popular
>>Humanure Handbook online at his web store. Scroll down a little and
>>you'll find these links:
>>
>>$25.00 US -- BUY NOW or read the book free on the web.
>>
>>And:
>>
>>Buy a Book Now
>>Read the Book for Free
>>BUY IT ON AMAZON.COM
>>
>>Read the Book for Free:
>>http://jenkinspublishing.com/humanure_contents.html
>>Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - Humanure Handbook Table of Contents
>>
>>Full text, free online.
>>
>>He's been doing that for at least seven years now, and he's not the
>>only one. Yet the book's sold 30,000 copies, not bad going. No way to
>>know, but I'd bet that if he didn't give it away for nothing online
>>he wouldn't have sold so many.
>>
>>This crap about software piracy always reminds me of a restaurant
>>owner I used to know in Hong Kong. I dropped in at his place for some
>>coffee one afternoon during an economic crisis, the property market
>>had crashed, quite a few folks went out of business and so on.
>>"How're you doing?" I asked him.
>>
>>"Terrible!" he answered. "I'm losing 20,000 dollars a day!"
>>[USD1=HKD8]
>>
>>It turned out that before the crash he'd been making $60,000 a day,
>>but now he was only making $40,000 a day.
>>
>>But I wonder if so many copies of Windoze etc would have been sold
>>but for all the pirating?
>>
>>Best
>>
>>Keith
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Australia hands over man to US courts

[Mike Weaver]

All of it.  Like Joseph Jenkins's book, with Linux, you can either do it 
yourself for free, or buy a DVD and support.
I personally like Macs, though I have to say Mr. Jobs has turned out to 
have feet of clay...


Keith Addison wrote:

>>Go Linux
>>
>>
>
>Why would I want to do that? That's for Windozers when they wake up, 
>not for Mac users when they fall asleep.
>
>(How much of that message did you actually read?)
>
>Keith
>
>
>  
>
>>Keith Addison wrote:
>>
>>
>>
BEFORE he was extradited to the United States, Hew Griffiths, from
Berkeley Vale in NSW, had never even set foot in America. But he had
pirated software produced by American companies.

Now, having been given up to the US by former justice minister Chris
Ellison, Griffiths, 44, is in a Virginia cell, facing up to 10 years in
an American prison after a guilty plea late last month.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html




>>>I guess by now we've all seen those heart-rending pictures of poor
>>>old Bill Gates sitting at the street corner in New York with his hat
>>>out on the pavement, poor feller, driven to pennilessness by
>>>dastardly software pirates. It's said 70 percent of all the software
>>>in use worldwide is pirated - but for these filthy criminals Bill
>>>could have had that money, instead of his paltry $20 billion, and he
>>>wouldn't be in this sad state that he's in now. Disgraceful - where's
>>>the law when you need it???
>>>
>>>This is a little difficult to explain though:
>>>
>>>http://www.josephjenkins.com/books_humanure.html
>>>Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - The Humanure Handbook
>>>
>>>This is where Joseph Jenkins sells hard-copies of his popular
>>>Humanure Handbook online at his web store. Scroll down a little and
>>>you'll find these links:
>>>
>>>$25.00 US -- BUY NOW or read the book free on the web.
>>>
>>>And:
>>>
>>>Buy a Book Now
>>>Read the Book for Free
>>>BUY IT ON AMAZON.COM
>>>
>>>Read the Book for Free:
>>>http://jenkinspublishing.com/humanure_contents.html
>>>Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - Humanure Handbook Table of Contents
>>>
>>>Full text, free online.
>>>
>>>He's been doing that for at least seven years now, and he's not the
>>>only one. Yet the book's sold 30,000 copies, not bad going. No way to
>>>know, but I'd bet that if he didn't give it away for nothing online
>>>he wouldn't have sold so many.
>>>
>>>This crap about software piracy always reminds me of a restaurant
>>>owner I used to know in Hong Kong. I dropped in at his place for some
>>>coffee one afternoon during an economic crisis, the property market
>>>had crashed, quite a few folks went out of business and so on.
>>>"How're you doing?" I asked him.
>>>
>>>"Terrible!" he answered. "I'm losing 20,000 dollars a day!" [USD1=HKD8]
>>>
>>>It turned out that before the crash he'd been making $60,000 a day,
>>>but now he was only making $40,000 a day.
>>>
>>>But I wonder if so many copies of Windoze etc would have been sold
>>>but for all the pirating?
>>>
>>>Best
>>>
>>>Keith
>>>  
>>>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Australia hands over man to US courts

[Mike Weaver]

Go Linux

Keith Addison wrote:

>>BEFORE he was extradited to the United States, Hew Griffiths, from
>>Berkeley Vale in NSW, had never even set foot in America. But he had
>>pirated software produced by American companies.
>>
>>Now, having been given up to the US by former justice minister Chris
>>Ellison, Griffiths, 44, is in a Virginia cell, facing up to 10 years in
>>an American prison after a guilty plea late last month.
>>
>>http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html
>>
>>
>
>I guess by now we've all seen those heart-rending pictures of poor 
>old Bill Gates sitting at the street corner in New York with his hat 
>out on the pavement, poor feller, driven to pennilessness by 
>dastardly software pirates. It's said 70 percent of all the software 
>in use worldwide is pirated - but for these filthy criminals Bill 
>could have had that money, instead of his paltry $20 billion, and he 
>wouldn't be in this sad state that he's in now. Disgraceful - where's 
>the law when you need it???
>
>This is a little difficult to explain though:
>
>http://www.josephjenkins.com/books_humanure.html
>Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - The Humanure Handbook
>
>This is where Joseph Jenkins sells hard-copies of his popular 
>Humanure Handbook online at his web store. Scroll down a little and 
>you'll find these links:
>
>$25.00 US -- BUY NOW or read the book free on the web.
>
>And:
>
>Buy a Book Now
>Read the Book for Free
>BUY IT ON AMAZON.COM
> 
>Read the Book for Free:
>http://jenkinspublishing.com/humanure_contents.html
>Joseph Jenkins, Inc. - Humanure Handbook Table of Contents
>
>Full text, free online.
>
>He's been doing that for at least seven years now, and he's not the 
>only one. Yet the book's sold 30,000 copies, not bad going. No way to 
>know, but I'd bet that if he didn't give it away for nothing online 
>he wouldn't have sold so many.
>
>This crap about software piracy always reminds me of a restaurant 
>owner I used to know in Hong Kong. I dropped in at his place for some 
>coffee one afternoon during an economic crisis, the property market 
>had crashed, quite a few folks went out of business and so on. 
>"How're you doing?" I asked him.
>
>"Terrible!" he answered. "I'm losing 20,000 dollars a day!" [USD1=HKD8]
>
>It turned out that before the crash he'd been making $60,000 a day, 
>but now he was only making $40,000 a day.
>
>But I wonder if so many copies of Windoze etc would have been sold 
>but for all the pirating?
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
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[Biofuel] Australia hands over man to US courts

[Mike Weaver]

BEFORE he was extradited to the United States, Hew Griffiths, from 
Berkeley Vale in NSW, had never even set foot in America. But he had 
pirated software produced by American companies.

Now, having been given up to the US by former justice minister Chris 
Ellison, Griffiths, 44, is in a Virginia cell, facing up to 10 years in 
an American prison after a guilty plea late last month.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html


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Re: [Biofuel] Free Market

[Mike Weaver]

I am sick and tired of people wasting apostrophes.  There is a finite 
supply, and the Oxford English Dictionary estimates that we've already 
used more than half.
Moreover, with more and more people studying English, this alarming 
trend will only get worse.

Remember.  Think before you punctuate.

Joe Street wrote:

> Wow .must be a slow news day in the sustainable world
>
> J;^>
>
> robert and benita rabello wrote:
>
>> Thomas Kelly wrote:
>>
There's no apostrophe in its as used below:
A car company can move it's factories to Mexico and claim it's a free
market.


>>>
>>> That would be the first its, ; right Miss Grundy.?
>>>  
>>>
>>
>> Possessive "its" in Standard English does not have an apostrophe, 
>> to distinguish it from the contraction "it's"--meaning "it is."  
>> Using the apostrophe in the possessive form for the word its is a 
>> very common mistake that I've actually heard TAUGHT er . . .  
>> (erroneously?  eronneously?  I HATE spelling in this language!) 
>> incorrectly in a 6th grade classroom.
>>
>> If you'd ever like to learn the meaning of frustration, try 
>> teaching this concept to a 7 year old!  (Or teaching spelling to me!)
>>
>>robert luis rabello
>>"The Edge of Justice"
>>"The Long Journey"
>>New Adventure for Your Mind
>>http://www.newadventure.ca
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Re: [Biofuel] Free Market

[Mike Weaver]

Aye, laddie.

robert and benita rabello wrote:

> Thomas Kelly wrote:
>
>>>There's no apostrophe in its as used below:
>>>A car company can move it's factories to Mexico and claim it's a free
>>>market.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That would be the first its, ; right Miss Grundy.?
>>  
>>
>
> Possessive "its" in Standard English does not have an apostrophe, 
> to distinguish it from the contraction "it's"--meaning "it is."  Using 
> the apostrophe in the possessive form for the word its is a very 
> common mistake that I've actually heard TAUGHT er . . .  
> (erroneously?  eronneously?  I HATE spelling in this language!) 
> incorrectly in a 6th grade classroom.
>
> If you'd ever like to learn the meaning of frustration, try 
> teaching this concept to a 7 year old!  (Or teaching spelling to me!)
>
>robert luis rabello
>"The Edge of Justice"
>"The Long Journey"
>New Adventure for Your Mind
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Re: [Biofuel] Troubles with the First Batch.. Request Advise from the Experienced!!

[Mike Weaver]

I would just start over - I think you need to get a good "crack" before 
worrying about wash tests.  You should see a very clear line
with no middle layer at all.  Be sure there is no water in your oil, 
double check your titration, and maintain steady heat.

I found it useful to learn on new oil in micro batches.

Good luck!

shawn patrick wrote:

>Good Day All,
>
>I am getting confused as to what I am doing wrong. I have currently made two
>batch of biodiesel 4L each. Batch A and Batch B as I will refer to them.. I
>having difficulties with both..  I have created a mini-processor very
>similar to that shown on the web-site. All suggestions are certainly
>welcome.
>
>Batch A
>
>4L batch of virgin SVO. Followed instructions on web site.Pre heated SVO to
>120F.  Place in bath of 120F water, add 800ml of Methanol and 21.g of KOH
>solution. Agitated it for an hour then let stand for 24hrs for settling..
>Got both the biodiesel layer and glycerin layer as described. Did a
>'quality' wash test on it using 250ml of water and 250 ml of biodiesel. I
>got what appeared to be and 3 layers, Biodiesel, middle layer(white and some
>what foamy apprx. 1/2in wide,unprocessed FFA), and water.
>
>Reprocessed 3L of Batch A using 100ml of Methanol and 5.3 g of KOH per liter
>of oil.. Final product looked like biodiesel except no Glycerin layer on
>bottom.. Nothing!!  Did the wash test of 250ml of bio and 250ml of water.
>When I put the water in the container with the biodiesel ther instantly
>separated, I then shook for 10 sec. Looks like "Milk"..  After 30min of
>settling still looks like milk..  GOT MILK??   Suggestions.. Is it time to
>go kill the grass with Batch A and start from scratch???  What went wrong?
>Did I assume incorrectly think the first quality test failed, should I have
>been more patient to let stand for a while to see if middle layer was paper
>thin??
>
>
>
>Batch B
>
>I am making a 4L batch of biodiesel, I preheat the oil to approx. 120F then
>place it
>into a container sitting in a bath of 120F water.(very similar to the setup
>shown on the website) I am adding 800ml of Methonl with 21.2g of KOH
>(5.3/L). Agitation is by for one hour, this time settling was done for 12
>hrs. Did quality test using wash of 250ml bio and 250 water. Again very
>similar results as Batch A. Bio on top, a foamy white layer in the middle,
>and water on bottom..
>
>
>Do I need to process the 4L batch longer than one hour of agitation after
>putting in the Methanol/KOH solution??  What can I be missing here??
>
>I would appreciate some good advice as how to get over this first hurdle..
>
>Regards,
>
>Shawn Patrick
>
>I am trying to do the quality test using washing method.  I add 250ml of
>biodiesel and 250 of water. Shake vigoursly for 10 20 sec then let settle
>for 1/2hr.. My results are as follows.
>
>I am getting separation
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] The president receives "lessons" from his neoconservative tutors

[Mike Weaver]

The title is, of course, lifted from Winston Churchill, who at least did 
some good once in a while, though on the whole a mixed bag.
The Brits finally grew tired of their empire.  Why did they leave India?


Keith Addison wrote:

>http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/03/14/roberts_luncheon/index.html
>Glenn Greenwald - Salon
>
>Wednesday March 14, 2007 08:33 EST
>
>The president receives "lessons" from his neoconservative tutors
>
>On February 28, George Bush hosted what he called "a literary 
>luncheon" to honor "historian" Andrew Roberts. Accounts of that 
>luncheon -- which describe the "lessons" the guests taught the 
>President (and they call them "lessons") -- really provide an amazing 
>glimpse into the Bush mindset and his relationship with 
>neoconservatives.
>
>Roberts recently wrote the right-wing historical revisionism tract 
>entitled History of the English-Speaking Peoples Since 1900. The 
>book, as Roberts himself described it in an interview with Front Page 
>Magazine, "does not consider British imperialism to have been a Bad 
>Thing, argues that the Versailles Treaty was not harsh enough on 
>Germany, [and] defends the bombing of Dresden, Hiroshima, and 
>Nagasaki . . . . " A central theme is that "Intellectuals of the Left 
>bear a heavy responsibility for the cruelties and savagery of the 
>20th century," and Roberts' world-view is filled with banalities like 
>this:
>
>I fear, in the light of Congress's recent nonbinding (and utterly 
>self-contradictory) resolution opposing the surge, the gross bias of 
>much of the Left-Liberal media, and the present poll ratings of Sen 
>Hillary Clinton, that the US will lose the will to fight the War 
>against Terror in any manner that might hold out the hope of ultimate 
>victory.
>
>So one can see why Roberts was chosen to be honored as the 
>President's new favorite historian, and why his "history" book, which 
>affirms George Bush's imperial worldview in every way, has become one 
>of the President's favorites.
>
>The White House invited a tiny cast (total: 15 guests) of standard 
>neoconservatives and other Bush followers to the luncheon, including 
>Norman Podhoretz (father-in-law of White House convict Eliot Abrams), 
>Gertrude Himmelfarb (wife of Irving Kristol and mother of Bill), Mona 
>Charen, Kate O'Beirne, Wall St. Journal Editorial Page Editor Paul 
>Gigot, etc. etc. The Weekly Standard's Irwin Stelzer was also invited 
>and wrote about the luncheon in the most glowing terms.
>
>Stelzer's account provides truly illuminating insight into what 
>neoconservatives have been filling the President's head with for 
>years now, and demonstrates how they have managed to keep him firmly 
>on board with their agenda. The most critical priority is to convince 
>the President to continue to ignore the will of the American people 
>and to maintain full-fledged loyalty to the neoconservative agenda, 
>no matter how unpopular it becomes.
>
>To do this, they have convinced the President that he has tapped into 
>a much higher authority than the American people -- namely, 
>God-mandated, objective morality -- and as long as he adheres to that 
>(which is achieved by continuing his militaristic policies in the 
>Middle East, whereby he is fighting Evil and defending Good), God and 
>history will vindicate him:
>
>On one subject the president needed no lessons from Roberts or anyone 
>else in the room: how to handle pressure. "I just don't feel any," he 
>says with the calm conviction of a man who believes the constituency 
>to which he must ultimately answer is the Divine Presence. Don't 
>misunderstand: God didn't tell him to put troops in harm's way in 
>Iraq; belief in Him only goes so far as to inform the president that 
>there is good and evil. It is then his job to figure out how to 
>promote the former and destroy the latter. And he is confident that 
>his policies are doing just that.
>
>Or, as luncheon attendee Michael Novak of the American Enterprise 
>Institute recalled (also in The Weekly Standard) the President 
>saying: "I want to have my conscience clear with Him. Then it doesn't 
>matter so much what others think." (Novak also revealingly marveled 
>that "The President was not at all intimidated by his fifteen or so 
>guests" even though the guests included Podhoretz, Himmelfarb and 
>"Irwin Stelzer himself" -- in Novak's world, one expects the 
>President to be intimidated to be in the presence of such powerful 
>neoconservative luminaries, not the other way around).
>
>Stelzer recounts what he calls the multiple "lessons" they taught 
>Bush at this luncheon. One of the key lessons is Roberts' view that 
>the U.S. should be most concerned with its relationships with the 
>other "English-speaking countries in the world," and not worry nearly 
>as much about all those countries where they speak in foreign tongues 
>("Lesson Four: Cling to the alliance of the English-speaking 
>peoples").
>
>But that "lesson" led Bush to bewildering

Re: [Biofuel] EMF-Omega-News 5. May 2007 (April articles)

[Mike Weaver]

Don't be ridiculous.

I'll borrow the money. Just like my uncle. Sam

Kirk McLoren wrote:

> Yes, we have to learn to pull in the same direction. Effort opposing 
> each other is an isometric.
> Wont get you very far.
> Also we have to get past money as the objective of work. We have 
> mislead generations to worship the almighty buck.
> Kirk
>
> */M&K DuPree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
> Hi Kirk..thanks for sharing. More and more it appears to me the
> bottom line is we are discovering how "freedom" and "independence"
> are grand illusions which our subscribing to is now showing the
> truth of. We are not "free," never will be, and there is no
> "independence." We are all bound to each other and the planet in a
> grand scheme of interdependence, where what happens to a part
> effects the whole. So only as we learn to work together, to help
> grow our common ground and strengthen the ties that bind, not only
> do we have a chance of taking ourselves to the next generation and
> the ones beyond that but of learning true happiness and
> fulfillment in the present. Good night, and good luck. Mike DuPree
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Kirk McLoren 
> *To:* biofuel 
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 06, 2007 11:54 AM
> *Subject:* [Biofuel] EMF-Omega-News 5. May 2007 (April articles)
>
>
>
> */"Redaktion Buergerwelle e.V. (BI Omega-CI Omega)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >/* wrote:
>
> Dear Sir, Madam, Ladies and gentlemen, dear friends,
>
> for your information.
>
> Best regards,
> Klaus Rudolph
> Citizens' Initiative Omega
> Member of the Buergerwelle Germany (incorporated society)
> Protectorate Union of the Citizens and Initiatives for the
> Protection
> against Electrosmog
>
>
>
> Wi-fi laptops 'pose health risk to children'
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3670866/
>
> Scientists demand inquiry over Wi-Fi
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3669421/
>
> Cancer Cluster in Dalton, Georgia
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3671112/
>
> La Quinta Middle School's cancer scare
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3673506/
>
> EHS FROM PASSIVE AND TARGETED EXPOSURES
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3676516/
>
> ‘Phone mast link to lost sparrows’
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3671073/
>
> Orientation and Navigation of Bees may be disturbed by
> man-made
> electric, magnetic and electromagnetic fields
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3672147/
>
> Birds & bees hit by phone waves
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3669458/
>
> 2,000 HOMING PIGEONS LOSE THEIR BEARINGS, DISAPPEAR
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3671987/
>
> Restrict mobile masts - Laws
> http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3673641/
>
> Electromagnetic smog fears grow
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3691832/
>
> 'Epidemic' of sleep deprivation spreads among busy Britons
> http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3675267/
>
> EMF/EMR night exposures (cell phone under pillow/Alzheimers)
> http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3691619/
>
> No one knows the real risks of Wi-Fi?
> http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3691877/
>
> BECTA Wi-fi Report "Suppressed"
> http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3676749/
>
> Families' fears over city Wi-Fi
> http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3677063/
>
> Wi-Fi on Radio 4 and Worldwide
> http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3679736/
>
> Eaton Park phone mast battle latest
> http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3680156/
>
> Concerns over Southwick development
> http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3680178/
>
> Fears over mast plan
> http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3680189/
>
> COUNCIL GAFFE SEES MOBILE MAST ERECTED
> http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3680375/
>
> Phone mast turned down
> http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3680415/
>
> Mast campaigners set for pay-out
> http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3681615/
>
> Wireless Oakland causing ill health at rollout
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/3642285/
>
> "I ask that all schools use wires not wireless"
> http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3683651/
>
> Honeybee Die-Off Threatens Food Supply
> http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/3686812/
>
> Residen

Re: [Biofuel] Free Market

[Mike Weaver]

There's no apostrophe in its as used below:
A car company can move it's factories to Mexico and claim it's a free 
market.

Besides, just because drugs are safe for Canadians doesn't mean they are 
safe for Americans.
We're more better, and thus have different DNA.



Kirk McLoren wrote:

>
>
>
>  
>  
>
>
>  Think About This !!!
>
>  
>  
> A car company can move it's factories to Mexico and claim it's
> a free market.
>  
> A toy company can out source to a Chinese subcontractor and
> claim it's a free market.
>  
> A shoe company can produce its shoes in Southeast Asia and
> claim it's a free market
>  
> A major bank can incorporate in Bermuda to avoid taxes and
> claim it's a free market.
>  
> We can buy HP Printers made in Mexico . We can buy shirts made
> in Bangladesh . We can purchase almost anything we want from
> 20 different countries.
>  
> BUT, heaven help the senior citizens who dare to buy their
> prescription drugs from a Canadian or Mexican pharmacy. That's
> called un-American and illegal and our politicians want to
> stop it!
>  
> And you think the pharmaceutical companies don't have a
> powerful lobby? Think again!
>  
> Maybe this is an issue that should come up in the next election!
>  
> We're all in this boat together! Even if you aren't in this
> boat now, you're standing on the pier.
>  
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] U.S. force aims to secure Africa

[Mike Weaver]

That's one choice I'd hate to have to make - the US or ECOMOG.

Every Car Or Movable Object Gone.

Kirk McLoren wrote:

> threatened by transnational terrorists.
>  
> They are the bloody terrorists.
> How much protection money will Africa have to pay?
>  
> Kirk
>
>
> */Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
> Not to mention the oil. Nor, I suppose, the jatropha plantations. :-(
>
> -
>
> http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20070430-124131-8532r.htm
> - World - The Washington Times, America's Newspaper
> U.S. force aims to secure Africa
>
> By Jason Motlagh
> THE WASHINGTON TIMES
> April 30, 2007
>
> The United States hopes by year's end to establish an Africa Command
> that will anchor military operations across a continent seen to be of
> increasing strategic importance and threatened by transnational
> terrorists.
> The new force, known informally as AfriCom, will preside over all
> countries on the continent except Egypt and is expected to be
> operational by the fall, according to Pentagon officials. They say it
> is needed to secure vast, lawless areas where terrorists have sought
> safe haven to regroup and threaten U.S. interests.
> "Part of the rationale behind the development of this command is
> clearly the growing emergence of the strategic importance of Africa
> from a global ... security and economic standpoint," Rear Adm. Robert
> Moeller, head of the Africa Command Transition Team, said earlier
> this month. "This allows us to work more closely with our African
> partners to ... enhance the stability across the continent."
> Plans for such a force were first disclosed in April 2004, but it
> was not until February this year that Defense Secretary Robert M.
> Gates laid out the scope of the new command.
> AfriCom will initially operate as part of the Stuttgart,
> Germany-based European Command before becoming independent at the end
> of 2008. It will be a "unified combatant command" that includes
> branches of the military along with civilians from the departments of
> Defense, State and Agriculture, among others, according to Adm.
> Moeller.
> The force will deal with peacekeeping, humanitarian aid missions,
> military training and support of African partner countries. A
> headquarters location has yet to be determined.
> The United States now maintains five military commands worldwide,
> with Africa divided among three of them: EuCom covers 43 countries
> across North and sub-Saharan Africa; Central Command oversees East
> Africa, including the restive Horn of Africa; and Pacific Command
> looks after Madagascar.
> In 2001, CentCom established a task force in the Horn to track
> down al Qaeda terrorists and monitor instability in Somalia. It has
> since expanded to conduct humanitarian missions in the region.
> EuCom directs a seven-year, $500 million counterterrorism
> initiative that provides military and developmental aid to nine
> Saharan countries deemed vulnerable to groups looking to establish
> Afghanistan-style training grounds and carry out other illicit
> activities.
> The main target of U.S. Special Forces training African troops
> has been the Algeria-based Salafist Group for Call and Combat. The
> group withered after a crackdown by Algerian authorities and a
> state-sponsored amnesty program, but a new al Qaeda-linked offshoot
> claimed responsibility for the April 11 Algiers suicide bombings that
> killed more than 30 people.
> U.S. military officials say there is evidence that a quarter of
> suicide bombers in Iraq are from North Africa. Other jihadists are
> said to have traveled as far as Afghanistan to receive training
> before returning home to Africa to sow trouble.
> However, the initiative is not welcome in every African country.
> Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, quoted in the Libyan daily Al-Fajr
> Al-Jadid, said at a conference in Chad last week that such a force
> was neither wanted nor needed.
> "We told [the Americans] we do not need military aircraft flying
> over, nor do we need military bases," he reportedly said. "We are in
> need of economic elements and an economic support. If your support to
> us is military intervention, then we do not need you, nor your help."
> Some Western critics worry that a military-based policy on the
> continent could breed radicalism where it scarcely exists by
> sustaining despotic regimes that usurp funding and military hardware
> to tighten their grip on power.
> A 2005 report by the International Crisis Group, a Brussels-based
> think tank, said the Saharan region is "not a terrorist hotbed," and
> warned that some governments try to elicit U.S. aid while using the
> "war on terror" to justify human rights abuses.
> U.

[Biofuel] DOE Announces up to $200 Million in Funding for Biorefineries

[Mike Weaver]

*DOE Announces up to $200 Million in Funding for Biorefineries*

On May 1, 2007, Department of Energy (DOE) Secretary Samuel W. Bodman 
announced that the DOE will provide up to $200 million, from FY07 to 
FY11, to support the development of small-scale, (at ten percent of 
commercial scale), cellulosic biorefineries in the United States. The 
Funding Opportunity Announcement (FOA) seeks projects to develop 
integrated biorefinery demonstration facilities, employing 
lignocellulosic feedstocks for the production of a combination of liquid 
transportation fuel(s), biobased chemicals, biobased products and 
substitutes for petroleum-based feedstocks. This solicitation is in 
support of Sec. 932 of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 (P.L.109-58).

Up to $15 million is expected to be available in FY07, with the 
remaining $185 million expected to be available in FY08-11, subject to 
Congressional appropriation.  DOE anticipates making 5-10 awards under 
this announcement, with projects requiring a minimum of 50 percent cost 
share. The FOA will support demonstration projects that will use novel 
approaches as well as a variety of cellulosic feedstocks to test key 
refining processes and provide operational data needed to lower the 
technical hurdles of financing full-size commercial plants. Projects are 
expected to be operational within three to four years with 
commercial-scale demonstrations expected to follow thereafter.

*Applications for this FOA are due August 14, 2007.*

For more information on the FOA, "Demonstration of Integrated 
Biorefinery Operations for Producing Biofuels and Chemical/Materials 
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Re: [Biofuel] Bayer Corporation gets Rachel Carson honors

[Mike Weaver]

That's nothing.  Big Pharma is trying to ban vitamins and carrot juice 
in the US.

Keith Addison wrote:

>Unbelievable! Well, almost...
>
>Bayer's press releases below. Excerpt:
>
>  
>
>>"Bayer employees are proud that we as a company take action that 
>>supports the public interest and demonstrates corporate citizenship 
>>that benefits humankind," said Dr. Attila Molnar, President and CEO, 
>>Bayer Corporation. "In meeting our responsibilities to society, 
>>Bayer relies on its core values of improving quality of life while 
>>harmonizing commercial efficiency, ecology and social commitment."
>>
>>
>
>A little sanity here:
>Coalition Against Bayer Dangers
>http://www.cbgnetwork.de/4.html
>
>Also here:
>http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&q=Bayer
>Bayer
>
>And here:
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=corporate+criminals+bayer
>corporate criminals bayer - Google Search
>
>
>
>Bayer to be Honored by Rachel Carson Homestead Association
>
>2007-04-19 17:19:21 -
>
>PITTSBURGH, April 19 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Bayer Corporation 
>will be honored tomorrow, Friday, April 20, by the Rachel Carson 
>Homestead Association at a reception that kicks off a yearlong series 
>of special events commemorating the centennial of the birth of author 
>and ecologist Rachel Carson.
>
>One of the Homestead Association's key events, the Rachel Carson 
>Legacy Challenge reception hosted by Teresa Heinz Kerry at the 
>Senator John Heinz History Center, will recognize Bayer and 15 other 
>companies and organizations. Specifically, Bayer is being honored for 
>its continued support and implementation of its various local, 
>national and global environmental initiatives, some begun more than a 
>decade ago, that are designed to foster a healthier planet.
>
>Throughout the centennial year, Bayer is also helping to sponsor a 
>number of special environmental education programs organized by the 
>Homestead Association.
>
>"Bayer employees are proud that we as a company take action that 
>supports the public interest and demonstrates corporate citizenship 
>that benefits humankind," said Dr. Attila Molnar, President and CEO, 
>Bayer Corporation. "In meeting our responsibilities to society, Bayer 
>relies on its core values of improving quality of life while 
>harmonizing commercial efficiency, ecology and social commitment."
>
>The objective of the event is to highlight how commitment to 
>environmentally sustainable practices can make a tangible difference 
>in the health, quality of life, environment and economic viability of 
>local, regional and global communities.
>
>"We applaud Bayer Corporation for continuing to take 'green steps to 
>a sustainable future,' by making permanent, measurable changes in 
>behavior and policies that promote Rachel Carson's environmental 
>ethic," said Patricia M. DeMarco, executive director, Rachel Carson 
>Homestead Association. "As a forward-thinking company, Bayer clearly 
>understands that by committing to this challenge, it will help build 
>conditions for a more sustainable, healthy world."
>
>Bayer's Sustainability Progress
>
>Bayer works to develop technologies that increase energy efficiency 
>and protect drinking water; helps to eradicate pandemic diseases in 
>the developing world; strengthens science education in the United 
>States; introduces sustainable business practices to today's 
>students; and reduces its own footprint globally. Bayer was one of 
>the first chemical companies to join the Responsible Care(R) 
>initiative and publish an environmental report in 1993. Several years 
>later, it would become one of 45 founding members of the United 
>Nation's Global Compact and join the Global Reporting Initiative.
>
>More than a decade ago, Bayer set an ambitious goal to reduce 
>greenhouse gas emissions from more than 400 facilities worldwide in 
>absolute numbers by 50 percent from 1990 to 2012, while 
>simultaneously increasing manufacturing output. Since 1990, Bayer has 
>bettered the greenhouse gas emission targets specified in the Kyoto 
>Protocol and cut direct greenhouse gas emissions worldwide by more 
>than 70 percent.
>
>Through technical improvements and structural changes, Bayer also has 
>cut its worldwide energy use by 26 percent between 2000 and 2005. The 
>Carbon Disclosure Project, a coalition of more than 200 worldwide 
>institutional investors, lists Bayer as "Best in Class" in worldwide 
>climate protection.
>
>Bayer was one of the first members of the Chicago Climate Exchange -- 
>the world's first and America's only voluntary, legally binding 
>greenhouse gas reduction and trading system for emission sources in 
>North America and Brazil.
>
>Bayer's climate strategy includes developing products that conserve 
>natural resources. These include refrigerator insulation, lightweight 
>automotive materials and thermal insulation for buildings, all of 
>which increase energy efficiency, lower fuel consumption and reduce 
>emissi