than my VW Golf that gets oh THREE
TIMES THE GAS MILEAGE AND COSTS LESS THAN HALF) but
efficient they aint.
regards,
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are
capitalists. It's that they are capitalists working
in an outdated industrial paradigm and have too short
a time horizon to think seriously about making
substantial changes to their business structure. They
don't know how to evolve. And if they don't learn
soon, they will perish.
thor skov
Hakan,
I almost completely agree with you. However, I still
think that, although the causes of immigration largely
have to do with disparities in wealth and development
(not to mention US agricutlural subsidies in CA), the
issue of immigration differs here from any other
industrialized country
, and untransparent
organization, unresponsive to members' interests.
good for SUSPS for injecting a little debate.
thor skov
Message: 24
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 03:24:37 +0900
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Anti-migrants plan coup
of producers
making similar PEX or HDPE products for industrial
applications.
http://www.solvay-polyolefins-europe.com/document/pdf/Eltex/Crosslink.pdf
Here's another producer:
http://www.padanaplast.com/product/byprocessingtechniques/specificprocesstech/0,6794,1371-2-0,00.htm
good luck!
thor skov
thinking about
sustainability it is always good to keep in mind the
big picture.
sincerely,
thor skov
Message: 4
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:58:36 +0100
From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: First aid for house owners. final draft
I am
Like many others, I won't be able to make it to
Berkeley, but would really love to hear the
discussion. I urge to record it and post it on a
website as a realplayer or quicktime file.
thor skov
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:19:39
,
private and commercial aircraft far fewer,
while wind turbine rotors kill an estimated
33,000 birds annually.
Yeah, I we need to protect birds by getting rid of
wind turbines. That's clearly going to have a huge
impact.
thor skov
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Sentiment without action is the ruin of the soul
are getting
insured that trend in itself may well be a consequence
of an increase in risk, actual or perceived, from
climate change. As for the increase in claims, if it
is beyond the expected normal percentage, then
something is definitely amiss.
best to all,
thor skov
described in
her letter regarding Caterpillar's research, is
considered tainted. If public $ went into it, it's
in the public domain. Period.
best to all,
thor skov
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of someone at the USDA office
who deals with check-off funds and they promised to
get back to me. Never did, of course, and i never
followed up. I would think this would be an easy
question for a lawyer to answer. Any takers?
thanks again for your post,
thor skov
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for your biodiesel production.
THAT would cool. Anyone want to invest some $ to see
how this would work in Seattle. No pushing now, one
at a time. ;)
I just think that $3.00/gallon is a lot for something
that is a byproduct.
thor skov
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:36:11 -
From
Well, I've gotten the following responses to my
question:
1. soybean oil is goign up in price.
2. The dollar is coming down (presumably making
brazilian etc. soybean oil more costly).
3. Producers are price gouging because the market
will bear it.
I had a look at the chicago board of trade
The price of World Energy's biodiesel sold here in
Seattle is going up on Monday the 15th by 15 cents to
$3.10 a gallon.
Any ideas as to the cause of this price hike?
thor skov
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, in fact, gives the term special interests its
disparaging connation.
Regards,
Thor Skov
--- Joe Jobe, National Biodiesel Board
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Board
Dear Biodiesel
, in fact, gives the term special interests its
disparaging connation.
Regards,
Thor Skov
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Dear Biodiesel
Keith,
The website says 1998. It's not listed on their PDF
downloadable page; you have to go to their
publications order form, as it's available only in
print.
http://www.rprogress.org/publications/order.pdf
thor
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features of the deposed incumbent. Bring
new ideas to his attention and who knows?
regards,
thor skov
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 01:11:28 -0500
From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Who really gives a rat's backside? was Re:
Tai
Todd,
Your brilliant comment, And here I always thought
that food was biofuel, made me laugh out loud.
EXACTLY!!
Thanks for making my day.
regards,
thor skov
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:25:59 -0500
From: Appal Energy [EMAIL
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:04:42 -0400
From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Re: Popular Mechanics article
Thor Skov wrote:
Gotta agree with the notion of whole food here.
Obviously there are naturally occurring substances
that you don't
, by modifying your own
diet and observing the results.
But hey, I'm not the environmental chemist. Educate
me.
regards,
thor skov
p.s. by the way, I love you tag line from Zappa. I
sent quote that to my friends. It certainly seems to
apply to U.S. politics.
Yahoo
oligopolistic behavior to me.
best to all,
thor skov
http://www.memagazine.org/backissues/april98/departments/news_notes/news_note.html
http://popularmechanics.com/automotive/concept_cars/2001/1/GM_hybrid_gets_80_mpg/
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) in hybrid development, and there is something
to be said I think for rewarding that innovation.
U.S. automakers haven't even put out a first
generation hybrid vehicle and Toyota is already
working on its third generation.
Any thoughts?
thor skov
p.s. I'd really prefer a jetcar, if I could get one
MM,
You raise interesting questions, why free trade
applies only to trade with other countries, and why
the U.S. does not apply the same principles in
domestic regulation.
The answer to the second, I think, is that
conservatives do apply those principles at home.
Deregulation of all types of
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Phone: (360) 652-7362 Ext 284
Fax: (360) 435-7689
Thanks to Ed Beggs, Hakan, and everyone else who
responded regarding SVO emissions. I learned a lot.
thor skov
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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:28:37 -0700
From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SVO emissions
Hi
offlist about this issue too- what's it say (and
equally importantly,
how did 'they' arrive at it)?
mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Thor Skov
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WOW!*!
I just glanced at some of the emissions data in the
Missouri study and was shocked at how poorly SVO
performs
WOW!*!
I just glanced at some of the emissions data in the
Missouri study and was shocked at how poorly SVO
performs. I can't see why I would want to install an
SVO system from an environmental perspective, although
certainly I see the cost savings if you can get your
used oil for free.
,
thor skov
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On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 07:23 AM, Thor Skov
wrote:
Does anyone on this list know anything about the
status of the proposed 3 million gallon per year
plant
in Ferndale, Washington? I spoke
responding to my emails.
Any news or insight would be welcome.
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many states and local jurisdictions devising and
testing solutions to common social and economic
problems. That's not waste, that's good research,
because the best ideas get disseminated. The federal
government often leads the way in providing support
for innovative ideas.
regards,
Thor Skov
don't
like what some leaders in the political and corporate
worlds are doing to it. Nor do I love the apparent
apathy of many citizens when it comes to politicl
participation.
Yours truly (American),
Thor Skov
Message: 13
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:22:47 -0500
From: tboonefisher [EMAIL
Kenneth,
There is nothing so bad with Singapore. In fact,
I've heard a lot of good things about it.
However, I've also read that the government there does
not well tolerate political dissent. And I was
referring to just that in my post.
As for traveling more, i would love to. I've lived on
Hogwash Sam. To claim the VW's are unreliable
because consumer reports said so? First of all,
Consumer Reports relies on people sending in reviews,
which statistically is not likely to be a
representative sample. Second, they have much more
information about older model years, and less about
I think you're both being unreasonably critical. If
you focus on fleets, which makes a lot of sense from a
business perspective and from an environmental
perspective, then you want someone who talks the
language of the fleet managers you'll be dealing with.
Someone who has worked, say, as a fuel
- Original Message -
From: Thor Skov
as opposed to capitalsim and plutocracy as it is
practiced in the US today, where the capitalists
(those who control capital and wealth) have a
political influence far beyond their actual numbers;
By these definitions I'd like to see a lot more
socialism
Keith,
Thanks for the link. I remember a lot of what I read
but just am not organized enough to know WHERE it is.
;-)
http://faculty.purduenc.edu/arw/gbg344/For%20Richer.htm
For Richer By PAUL KRUGMAN
NYT Magazine October 20, 2002
(Good read)
thor
Democracy is mob rule?
Steve, my dictionary (American Heritage) defines
democracy as:
government by the people, exercised either directly
or through elected representatives.
republic: a constitutional form of government,
especially a democratic one;
socialism - a social system in which the
Anyone have any experience with thermomax solar panels
for hot water generation?
thor
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we can do about it. Otherwise they are little
more than the well-intentioned, not-for-profit
doppelgangers of Fox News and CNN.
peace to all,
thor skov
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 16:00:00 +0100
From: Andrew
There has been a lot of impassioned debate about Iraq
here and elsewhere.
I have found that a little humor helped take the edge
off war stress for me. The latest edition of the
Onion is brilliant.
www.theonion.com
enjoy,
thor skov
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disrupting
the flow of the Gulf Stream. Such an event would
dramatically alter Europe's climate, making it
considerably less temperate.
thor skov
Message: 15
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:15:11 -0600
From: Bryan Brah [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Global
with whatever
materials I can find. Any leads or suggestions would
be greatly appreciated.
Thor Skov
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sustainable is this foreign policy? I want to see
the US spreading its core principles of freedom and
democracy for a long time to come. Destroying our
credibility and legitimacy is not the way to do that.
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Hakan,
No apology necessary. I'm glad you followed it up
tho. I'm a bit of a WW2 buff, and was curious whether
the Luftwaffe actually flew on the side of the Soviets
in the winter war. I'd love to see your films some
day.
Regards,
Thor
-
Paul,
Though I don't believe in God, I second your sentiment
for Jennifer and others like her. I have good friends
who are serving overseas and others who will be on
their way soon. I deeply appreciate the sacrifices of
our men and women in uniform.
Thor Skov
themselves ineffective.
Personal insults are often the result of frustration
from the inability to articulate one's thoughts, or
from a lack of a good argument. And censorship looks
like, well, censorship. Please reconsider.
sincerely,
thor skov
Message: 15
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 03:22
.
How far is it from that to our might makes right?
Peace to all,
thor skov
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I think the real hypocrisy, and lesson in all this,
lies in the fact that the mall owners were willing to
profit in selling a message but not willing to allow
that message to be broadcast.
This is one of those lovely instances where greed,
stupidity, and bad luck (in their choice of victim)
all
-guzzlers, only some less so than others.
regards,
thor skov
Message: 20
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:40:47 -0600
From: csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SUV's and gas consumption Was: excuse me
.
Or maybe 4X4 truck ... take off the Cab and Bed ..
and replace top part with a station wagon
A Question for Dom,
You wrote:
There are no resource limits - only mental limits.
I am curious what you mean by this.
Thor
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100% agree with you. It's better that Smithfield,
IBP, Tyson, et al do something with their waste that
helps to close the loop. In the short to medium term
it's a great step.
I was just responding to something someone else wrote
about sustainability. Since sustainability implies
not mean that
they are making a good choice, nor that SUVs are the
best vehicle to use for one's everyday needs.
regards,
thor skov
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P.O. Box 277
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Steve,
What i would question here from the standpoint of
sustainability, is how the hogs are raised in the
first place. If this is factory farming, I doubt it's
sustainable.
thor
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:47:31 -0500
From:
will rise. And commercially produced biodiesel should
be price competitive (those with whom Ive spoken that
are doing it here in Washington claim that it will
be), so youll have market forces acting.
Keep up the good work,
regards,
thor skov
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3439
city council do you serve on?
regards,
thor skov
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:58:27 -
From: Brian A. Sayrs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: WVO/SVO Biodiesel in WA state
Thor,
I am a city councilmember
Graham,
This is an interesting viewpoint. I'm curious whether
you know of any situations with state legislatures
where WVO/SVO did in fact drag down biodiesel
legislation.
It seems to me that the concerns you raise are more
likely to emerge when dealing with fleet managers and
car owners. Why
Sorry I missed the original post. Was there a link to
some report or study on the seed's oil content?
thanks.
thor
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legislators
about these bills, and to push for their support. If
you are interested, please contact me by email, or by
phone at
day 360-652-7362 ext 284
eve 206-363-4187
regards,
thor skov
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of biodiesel roughly
commensurate with the miles driven in a particular
year.
Does this sound outrageously complicated? Feasible?
Any other suggestions?
thor skov
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Keith,
Interesting article and study, but also very
unsettling. I had a hard time accepting this study
that is premised on cannibalism, even though a bit of
looking on the web revealed that Cornish chicks tend
to be cannabilistic. I wonder why they didn't use
rats or weasels, or something
Steve,
What do you find unscientific about the air car?
thor
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 06:42:14 -0500
From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: $2.60 for recharging and the French
aircar runs 120 miles
Don't confuse the believers with
Hakan,
I agree with most of what you say. Yes Hitler came to
power democratically, but that is NOT the same thing
as saying that Nazi Germany was democratic. You
emphasized the democratic nature of Fascist Italy and
Germany in an earlier post, and I believe you wrote
that they had elections up
Hakan, Curtis, and others who may have weighed in with
similar opinions,
First, let me apologize for a late response to this
threadI was both lurking and busy with other matters.
Hakan, you asserted that the Nazis had democratic
support and that Fascist Germany and Italy held
elections until
online via NREL website.
That should get you started.
Best,
Thor Skov
Nick,
Do you have scientific data to show that biofuel is
cleaner than
petroleum? Does it not depend on the engine? My car is
certified as an
Ultra-Low Emission Vehicle. I
--and you're right. But I am curious if you have
info on regional pricing for biodiesel.
seasons greetings to all,
thor skov
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, thanks for tolerating my 5am Sunday
morning rant.
thor skov
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and choice through labeling
and certification, or anything else that would expose
these impacts or reflect them in pricing.
In short, it's largely a load of crap, but
nevertheless probably an interesting read in parts.
best to all,
thor skov
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ORIGINAL
I'd like to mention another book along the same lines
as Bailey's latest, that came out last year and caused
quite a stir, called The Skeptical Environmentalist.
You can read reviews of this and how its many claims
of falsely created environmental problems were
debunked here:
Mark,
You make good points, and I dont think were really
disagreeing here. A lot of this discussion was
generated over the loose, unclarified use of the term
homebrewer on my part. If a homebrewer is someone
just producing for their own use, then I pretty much
agree with everything youve
Keith,
Great post. You have my brain working.
Thanks for reminding me about the NBBs focus on
fleets. I had forgotten that. However, I dont
necessarily agree that small-scale producers are going
to eschew fleets.
But first, I think I may be tripping up on
definitions. Where, really,
Mark,
Well, my post certain punched a lot of your buttons.
I appreciate your taking the time to reply so
passionately.
As should be obvious by now, I am not familiar with
the homebrewing community beyond the few individuals I
know regionally who make BD and my own as yet
unrealized pretensions
[Cross-post from the Biofuels-biz list.]
Mark,
Well, my post certain punched a lot of your buttons.
I appreciate your taking the time to reply so
passionately.
As should be obvious by now, I am not familiar with
the homebrewing community beyond the few individuals I
know regionally who make BD
[Cross-post from the Biofuels-biz list.]
Keith,
Great post. You have my brain working.
Thanks for reminding me about the NBBs focus on
fleets. I had forgotten that. However, I dont
necessarily agree that small-scale producers are going
to eschew fleets.
But first, I think I may be
Keith, Graham, and everyone,
Some ideas as a follow-up. If NBB and others are
concerned that consumers will be put off by poor
quality biodiesel and/or the improper use/preparation
for use of good quality biodiesel, then perhaps
someone should put together a buying guide. A while
back someone,
somehow (a national cooperative?) to focus
their voices.
best to all,
thor skov
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(a national cooperative?) to focus
their voices.
best to all,
thor skov
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am just interested in the specific
arguments that such groups are using against
biodiesel.
thanks all,
thor skov
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Tom,
I am extremely interested in helping you with such a
project.
I know little about making biodiesel and the
chemistry, and what I do know is bool-learnin' not
real experience. I don't have the background of Keith
or Todd, but I am passionate about biodiesel and
My strengths are my
on this project,
please let me know.
Best regards,
Thor Skov
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Hi Keith,
I have seasonal work and often have a bit of a
breather in the winter. I'm
thinking of writing a book on biodesel production
from waste fryer oil. It
would cover all of the real information
Keith, Tom, et. al.,
The following Federal Register notice has some
relevant information. Keith, this may be the notice
you were referring to. I gleaned the following
points:
1. Biodiesel (neat and blends) is considered a
non-baseline diesel fuel.
2. There is no language that bars
Tom,
I agree with you about the federal funds testing.
Heck, NREL contributed to some of the studies as well,
and often any amount of federal money is enough to
contaminate the rest; at least it works that way
with federal grant programs.
But my other point is that according to EPA's own
Hi everyone,
I have been on the phone with various government
officials at various agencies.
I have a guy at the Agricultural Marketing Service
trying to answer the question of whether checkoff
funds are considered private or public monies.
Someone on this list asserted that it was with such
so how the heck does it work with electric vehicles
then? That's a chemical reaction.
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Thor-
The federal definition of fuel includes any
substance capable of releasing
energy or power by combustion or other chemical or
physical reaction. That
about covers
Tom,
Any idea if SVO counts as a personal use fuel?
thor
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Hi Keith,
I try to keep myself far from legal matters as
possible, but here is my
belief. Commerce is defined under federal codes as
selling or bartering. I
don't have a reference to that, but it
or
regulation they are following in making this demand?
Does anyone know the correct person or office to
contact at EPA so a biodiesel producer can get clear
guidance on what to do?
thanks,
thor skov
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thoughts?
thor skov
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ADM was on the committee that set up the NBB
organization, and convinced the
Soybean Council to forward the $2,200,000 used to
test the one sample of
virgin soy oil based biodiesel that has been
thoroughtly tested under Tier 1
and Tier 2
about the BD
you're making. I want to get the Tribe involved in
this, but am still trying to make it work.
Best regards,
Thor Skov
--- Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Look, folks, I would not have posted the article if
I did not think it
worthy of this group and of potential
, input-intensive monoculture farming
is more efficient than biointensive multi-cropping
on a small scale.
This is NOT a flame. Simply an attempt to clear up a
common misconception.
Regards,
Thor Skov
--- Chuck Ranum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Strictly from the standpoint of efficiency, growing
. And, for the record, I believe both should
be legalized.
It would be interesting to see data on the number of
americans who support legalizing hemp, those who
support legalizing marijuana, and the overlap between
them.
regards,
thor skov
--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Is there any way to receive biofuel as a digest? 50
emails a day is killing me, but i don't want to
unsubscribe.
Thor Skov
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Hummers also get about 8 mpg, are outrageously
expensive, and don't carry much. They are not trucks.
They do get around, though.
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steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The
ventures.
Best,
Thor Skov
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Need help locating company's providing BD plant
design with a min
capacity of 200,000 gallons a year. We have
contacted Pacific BD and
Energea are their others ???
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I read that VW has a 1.3liter engine that gets 100mpg.
I'll find the reference if you're interested. This
car is not, of course, sold in the US.
--- Craig Reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This isn't exactly the answer you've requested, but
the VW Jetta Tdi engine will
give 45-50 mpg as
energy involved. This type of writing does
a disservice to the cause of renewable fuels. There
are only five renewable energy sources as far as I
know: solar, wind, and biomass, tidal generation, and
geothermal (and perhaps nuclear fusion, eventually).
Regards,
Thor Skov
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