I have participated 6 -8 July very well organized seminar on the distributed energy system and biofuel .The conference proceeding are available in Portuguese language in the following links.. http://www.nipeunicamp.org.br/agrener2006/tematicas.htmMostly the developed world has participated ,
Ola, Keith Here Brazilian agricultural research org has successfully finished a simple pyrolysis of vegetable oil to be implemented in rural Amazonian areas , which involves , simple heating of the vegetable oil using wood then condensing the gas , obtaining biofuel just like BioD.The tractor
Ola,Keith , Manick and all. Even though , the debate , doughts go on for the long time here about this topic , it is not yet clear to me about the real value of obtaining the new catalyst from ash.And I suppose also that the same for some of our list members too .As Manick has pointed out that the
Ola ,Keith As Brazil is one of the leading exporter of meat and chicken , this ley farming information bring the old , the new all available information in one place is best done. Animalanimal wastesmicrloagaefish and prawn organic gardening using integrated reuse of water is our system modeling
Very good project , surely this can work too, as gypsym is better on rather than lime But need experimentar workThanking yousdPannirselvamMichael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My (future) brother-in-law and I were cleaning his garage and came a cross A LOT of warped dry wall.To my
Helow Paul The non renewable energy sector with its good marketing system make people not think of this noval Biofuel system .Here we are very sucessful to make the direct burning of caster oil and alcohol for cooking.Very cheap stoves can be used for doing the cooking , not having smoke. Better
I also pulled paper from internet using googleArticle Ethanol production by extractive fermentation M. Minier, G. Goma *Départment de Génie Biochimique et Alimentaire, ERA-CNRS No. 879. INSA, Avenue de Rangueil, F-31077 Toulouse Cédex, France *Correspondence to G. Goma,
I also pulled paper from internet using googleArticle Ethanol production by extractive fermentation M. Minier, G. Goma *Départment de Génie Biochimique et Alimentaire, ERA-CNRS No. 879. INSA, Avenue de Rangueil, F-31077 Toulouse Cédex, France *Correspondence to G. Goma,
Dear Bob and Keith I am very sorry for the late reply , not able to be as quick as KEITHI interpreted this to mean that the crushed seeds are subjected to the alkali catalyst/methanol hence the seed cake is exposed to the reaction. Here in Brazil nobody like to use Methanol , yes you are correct
Evergreen Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Err...not sure where all that's coming from.I'll tell you why hydro's the way for me, since apparently it's sohorrible or whatever. From hydroponic gardens you can go to ecological bio phonics organic system. Thus we are making system study on
Thank you Rexis ,and our list members Thank you bringing here the big effort made by JTF group and KEITH not only on small press , which I am very happy to inform that this small press , has made our list much debate , sorry I have no time to follow .But the small press we made based on the JTF
Respected and dear Keith and members Thanking you for you to bring here the updated valuable information about Castor as biofuel raw material. The underdeveloped dry semiarid land of the north east of Brazil has been found to be very excellent for Castor cultivation with high
Dear Keith anda Paul RajThe cahew net shell has very significant quantitity of oil , which is mainly unsaturated cardonal , very toxic , it is wll micible with alcohol. After , fast pyrlysis in very short time , this oil can be used as BIO without any need for alcohol as this
Respected Keith and our list members Vegetarianism , bio-fuel , biodiversity and Animal growing are inter related problems .One of the very interesting hot topics and home work in this list that had been discussed here was about the sacred COW. The milk and cow debate is also
Hello Anthonio, Ken and Keith Iam sure that big company like BASF are trying to make ethoxideIN GLOBAL Market in big scale to sell to ruralpeople (high price too) so that Biod can be easily made with ethoxide( ethanol and NaOH)using patended catalyst, butwe can make in the cites this one as
Thanks Tony and Keith Some very interesting research work as we analyzed as the good stove work for small scale rural industries are given in the following linkwww.retsasia.ait.ac.th/Publications/An%20Improved%20Gasifier%20Stove%20for%20Institutional%20Cooking.pdf A simple closed pyrolysis
Hello to every one of the list This Precautionary Principle related with the technology development is very interesting work for every any one concerned with new technology , product and process development .Thanks a lot for Keith to bring this topic here for our list and I hope this can help us
The ethanol seperation using freezing method
need to consider comparative energy analysis for any
novel process sythesis.
Eventhough the freezing method seem to be simple
can be easily coupled with solar energy via heatpump
, you need to freeze a large amounto of water and
hence
Hello TIM
You can accelerate by several biological methods
which are weel documented as report in TV GLOBO
excellent report and we have beeen studing simple
water extraction process as well as inoculam
recirculation process.
Full DETAIL WE CAN UPLOAD AND SENT FOR ANY ONE
Hello TIM
You can accelerate by several biological methods
which are weel documented as report in TV GLOBO
excellent report and we have beeen studing simple
water extraction process as well as inoculam
recirculation process.
Full DETAIL WE CAN UPLOAD AND SENT FOR ANY ONE
The methane is chemically different than
methanol.More over you need heterogenious catalysis
for metanol.
Metane gas can be diretly used with vegetable oil in
IC engines using vegetable oil too , but not
possible to hvve 100 use of Vegetable oil and methane
gas.
Some compromise need to
You need to use enzyme alpha and beta amylase
to first dextrinize tnen hydrlise to glucoe .this
one can be done at more than 10 porcent solid content
and lesss than 20 porecent concentration
sd
Pannir
--- Sandra MAURIAC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm a French student and I'm trying to
Dear Tim
Well any size of biogas production is possible
from 250 l to 200 M3.Biodigestor of 5 Cubic meter is
the minium ECONOMIC size for a small familly
cooking gas consumption.
Composting lead to considerable loss of material
10 -20 porcent and hence a good
Hellow beggy
I am very glad to see your post and fully agree
upon your views as I am also one of the research
personel inthis field.Please see my post on organosolv
pretreatment process.
A noval processing are need not only on
pretreatments , fermentation , distillation.
By sharing
Dear Ajay Kumar
The Phd programme of Bio diesel is well related
to the chemical engineering departments or faculty and
I am sure yet there can be one Phd programme .Why not
you think of the best faculty facilities any where
and wish to be limited.Brazil, Australia too are good
Hello Keith and Todd
Just a short note to say that even though I am one of the member of
3500 here , I feel very strange towards mesy post here why there is no
response from Mark about the technical problems posted by you here as well
as her published subject in JTF
Hello
Anres and Todd
You all have made very excellent observation .When our time are lost
of many of our members so the loss for many , as the time lost can not be
recovered .As most of the list members have really problems of time and
respond , let us all
Helo Mark
On behalf of many of the list members , I request you to consider not only
your point of view but also the members time to read and filter your
message.
I hope you are aware of personnel private and public posting as we all
have separate e mail for the
Helo Ken and arcologic
Alcohol extraction intead of distillation is an novel process inovation
which is being studied in a semi comercial scale in Canada sucessfuly using
simultaneaous fermentation and extraction using som solvent non toxic that is
being recycled.(octanol)
In
and less
water, and more alcohol.
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From: pan ruti
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 03:53
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Extracting alcohol instead of distilling?
Helo Ken and arcologic
Alcohol
Helo AzamKhan
You are welcome here thhis list, where you can get a lot of the
information and experts too.It is good you go ahead with project first
seperately, readind earlier messages posted here , where you can find the error
, the other have made..Then you need to do the system
Helo AzamKhan
You are welcome here thhis list, where you can get a lot of the
information and experts too.It is good you go ahead with project first
seperately, readind earlier messages posted here , where you can find the error
, the other have made..Then you need to do the system
:
pan ruti wrote:
You need not worry about going to jail because you make alcohol
eventhouh it is strictly prohibited by several countries.For sustainable
own use , with own risk one can make alcohol in a small scale as same
as the bodiesel.Making one energy is the fundamental right
Hello Jseabolt
Unlike corn grains ,potatoes, grass contains cellulose and lognin
as cement making grass and wood much strong and hence to process and make
sugar for ethanol production
So far few anaerobic bacterias that can make alcohol directly from
celluloses are
Dear Ranganath
We are presently studying only the research and developments that are
going on several places in BRASIL. , but soon can give detailed information you
want latter if you wish.
Brasil is going ahead with great biodiesel project in large scale
Thank you very much Keith Pretreatment process is the first step for any
lignocellosic biomass reuse .I expect the member of ourgroup can
participate the debate towards this complex subject so that we can have
apopriate pretreatment process , not the patened one.
Green appropriate Biomass Refinery for food and fuel microenterprise Part
1:Pretreatments methods.
Hello to all the members of the list.
The ethanol production from cellulose is not yet an mature real world
technology , eventough considerable process improvements and
Respected Keith
Thank you for your reply letter
Eventhough several research papers are published , including my research
work and the international symposium books on the solvent delignification ,but
they are available in the specialized journals , the small biomass
I have done Phd work (1978-1982), pilotplant designed , now
constructed. at IIT Delhi, based on my laboratory work on catalytic low
temperature(120)acidos , alkalineetanol e water delignification process
leading to good seperation of celulose , hemicelluso e lignin
Hello Balaji
Here in northeast part of the Brasil, we are studying the possibility of
installing a small gasification units in rural area based on coconut and
cashew nut shell.What about the viability of making the small scale
units.Please help us inthis regards about
Helo Donaldo
This is very important and more relavant topic to bioenergy
ruralization projects always discussed here and the correct good formulae
depends on the best economical cost minimium mixture of the locally available
fuel..Keith can through much information on this
sacred cows without offending anyone?
Best wishes
Keith
Hallo,
As soon as I saw this mail from Pan Ruti I knew that I had been
misunderstood and my first thought was to privately explain what I
meant by the expression sacred cows and apologize for any
misunderstanding. I
To all belowed members of biofuel
I am able to understand that our biofuel members have diversity making this
group much active and dynamic but here, there is also no need to completly
go away from our group objetive , making dificult our coordinator work to
interfer as our
Very glad to get the kind letter and our group ,with 12 young students , who
are all interested to work for rural developments tecnology.Surley our group
want to have close relation with you .
My other e mail is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AND [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can always reach
Our beloved Kind deicated group leader Keith, observation of small
farmers income are simillar and worst in Brasil and South America as the
same as in the North America ,where as the big farmers here in Brazil alone
is having 400 small aeroplanes built for soya protections
Thank you very much
I am very glad to know about the product and process in your web site.
I wish your work also here in northeast .Please send your catalag to us
P.V.Pannirselvam
Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello
Your email was great. I have spent alot of
I being dedicated research worker in Brazil with PhD in Biochemical
engineering from India about alcohol production from biomass from one of the
best research center in Asia in 1980 , carefully following the state of art
this technology several decads,feel that the views of the
On behalf of all Brazilian , Happy , Merry cristmas for all the members of
this group to have the great green futur from green biomass for all us and
the all the world too to have biofuel .It depend on us to join hand and give
the hepling hand for the same.
sd
P.V.Pannirselvam
Keith
To
All members of biofuel
During energy crisis around 1980 , Brazilian government has implemented the
PRO ALCOHOL, national projects, even though none of the most of the
Multinational automobile company has not collaborated,made successfully the
first motor which had high
Pannir from Brazil wrote :
H2S seperation is very interesting problem , that can removed by mild
alkali using biologicla treatments in photobioreactor by well estabelished
industrail Thiopack process.. this route is more simple and natural one than
photo catalytical process where
Pannir from Brazil wrote :
H2S seperation is very interesting problem , that can removed by mild
alkali using biologicla treatments in photobioreactor by well estabelished
industrail Thiopack process.. this route is more simple and natural one than
photo catalytical process where
Pannir from Brazil wrote :
H2S seperation is very interesting problem , that can removed by mild
alkali using biologicla treatments in photobioreactor by well estabelished
industrail Thiopack process.. this route is more simple and natural one than
photo catalytical process where
Pannir from Brazil wrote :
H2S seperation is very interesting problem , that can removed by mild
alkali using biologicla treatments in photobioreactor by well estabelished
industrail Thiopack process.. this route is more simple and natural one than
photo catalytical process where
Helo to gobie ,Paul and Miller
We are interested to design the use of solar enegy instead of wood as
fuel and looking for the innovative design. Is there any one who already have
done this design for recirculation using thermo siphon without pump , solar
heating, product
Hello Hari
Biofuel include all , the wood gas biogas, methane; the hydrogen
gas as well wood gas(CO,H2,CH4) and producer gas; the ammonia gas; the
liquid one the ethanol, methanol, bio oil (wood) , biodeisel (ester of
vegetable oil) and all solid combustivel
Hello Kim, Caroline and beloved biofuel group members
It is possible to collect the gas from septic tanks, from garbage , from
lagoons where septic tanks effluents are disposed.Thus we can make our planet
clean , not leading the methane gas heating of the world and getting
Helo caroline
Eventhough the methane bacteria works well to produce biogas, the
huge amount of water as well as the the need to mix and dispose of the
effluents , and the need to feed and dispose of quality effluent make the
project much complex and the project
Hello , dear and respected KEITH and TODD
Well
Thank you all, bringing the composting or biodigestion problems of
cock tails or purified glycerin.I am pesonaly against treating glycerin as
waste, but need to be treated as raw material for making soap, making
Helow Greg and April
Surely it will produce biogas, but you need to be careful about salts, acids
alchol contenet within correct limit together with C/N ratio.there are good
experimental work
work about the use of fatty oil in biodigestion , all metabolized via
glicerol.But you also need
Helo
Dear and respected Keith addison
Thank you very much for your latest excellent INFORMATION ABOUT
INTEGERATION OF COMPOSTING AND BIODIGESTION.In this regard, Bate work and your
observations are very relavent important one to rethink and well
understanding for all who want
Dear and respected Keith Addision
Thank you very much about your keen interest about biogas technology
developments.Your constant help about several internet useful link are making
us to learn a lot.i am very sorry not very clear some points
I beleive the sucess of any group
You can use bamboo fiber cement as cover to give support togother with the
natural animal hide, for the biogas storage using the same techniques of
making inforced ferous cement , which involve well known tecnology .Yet few
inovative work is known in this field, that well estabilized,
Hello Eong and Keith addision
Thank you for your keen interest about the more discussion of biogas
here in yahoo biofuel group , which our small research group in Brasil also
believes too have good green future , in addition to bio oil and bidiesel of
real energy economy where as H2
Our university research group situated in the the city o Natal, Northeast
of Brazil ina na under developed area of Brazil, different than the
economically developed area of the south of Brazil , under my coordination
have technical resource for the new low cost design for biogas
There are some P and D in petroleium and gas in RIO
Marcelino Miranda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Can you please tell us if there is
an energy/fuels/ethanol conference in
Brazil,
during the first weeks of June? Details?
Many thanks.
Marcelino Miranda
QUIMICA NOVA S.A.
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