Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-26 Thread capt3d
hi keith. no i didn't follow your link, but i'm already pretty familiar with health problems that have been linked to high fructose intake. so, no dis. :) still, i do think that the wording of that paragraph was. . .ill-considered. she simplistically (and somewhat inaccurately in terms of

[Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072005A.shtml The Tragic Abuse of Corn By Kelpie Wilson t r u t h o u t | Perspective Wednesday 20 July 2005 The wheel it has circled, time without end, Old life remembers, and welcomes the grain. For the corn and the seed are one and the same, That

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Hakan Falk
And all of it because a bad language interpretation at the end of WWII. When the Americans, after winning, asked the Germans what they most needed to avoid starvation, they answered Korn (Rye), which the Americans interpret to Corn (Maise) and started to send loads of it. The Germans was

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread des
Hakan Falk wrote: And all of it because a bad language interpretation at the end of WWII. When the Americans, after winning, asked the Germans what they most needed to avoid starvation, they answered Korn (Rye), which the Americans interpret to Corn (Maise) and started to send loads of it.

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread capt3d
ok, so is pimentel now using current data or not? if the answer is no, then the question becomes is this chick legit? the blurb about corn syrup is pretty over the top. -chris In a message dated 7/25/05 8:04:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . . .In any case, Pimentel's new report with

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Phillip Wolfe
Keith - I'm still an avid reader of biofuel.com. I planted corn in my backyard garden this year to better appreciate corn and mother corn. Is it GMO'd corn seed. Who knows. But I now understand that if my family existed on homegrown ag and fruit products we could stay body lean as nature

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread des
Phillip Wolfe wrote: Keith - I'm still an avid reader of biofuel.com. I planted corn in my backyard garden this year to better appreciate corn and mother corn. Is it GMO'd corn seed. Who knows. But I now understand that if my family existed on homegrown ag and fruit products we could stay

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, The heirloom gardeners list at yahell has an anual seed swap, as well as a seed bank. If you can collect seed this fall, wildcraft seed does qualify. I had it easy, trumpet vine is a weed at my place, grows wild all over but is expensive at the nursery. I found this an

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Keith Addison
ok, so is pimentel now using current data or not? if the answer is no, then the question becomes is this chick legit? She's just fooled by the current data bit, like everyone else is. It is not current data, see the message I posted yesterday:

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Hakan Falk
Doug, One thing is viewing corn (maize) as animal food, and other thing is the actual use of it. I will never try to deny the Americans the right to eat corn (maize) and I was only talking about the perception and customs in different countries. It is realities, like it or not, and I think

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread capt3d
keith, no doubt refined carbos have their health effects. i was just referring to the implication (whether intentional or not) that hfcs introduction is wholly responsible for the horrible rates of obesity. as though eating and exercise habits, and the whole plethora of other very bad

Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Ray J
I probbly missed the message but U do realize that we do not eat the same corn we feed the animals in the USA? Corn-on-the-cob and canned or frozen corn at the grocery store come from sweet corn. The corn you grow in your garden also is a variety of sweet corn. But the most abundant type of

Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Hakan Falk
Ray, Thanks for the lesson, I did actually not realize this difference and in this case the sweet corn is very rare in Europe or the world outside of US. The common crop would be dent corn, but I think that there are not many outside of US, who know the difference. Apart from occasional corn

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Chris keith, no doubt refined carbos have their health effects. Why not go and have a look at what Cleave says about it? http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#cleave i was just referring to the implication (whether intentional or not) that hfcs introduction is wholly

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Phillip Keith - I'm still an avid reader of biofuel.com. I planted corn in my backyard garden this year to better appreciate corn and mother corn. Is it GMO'd corn seed. Probably not, more likely a hybrid. Try to get open-pollenated corn, or heritage corn better. Who knows. But I now