Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:25 PM
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil
Roger,
Freshly opened 55 gal drums of methanol usually are good.
By the time you get to the bottom of barrel there is often water present due
by.
Tom
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From: Doug Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil
Hi Tom,
Perhaps Roger is partially or completely colour blind. As part of the 7
, April 03, 2008 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil
Roger,
Peanut oil is interesting stuff.
I just did a test batch with peanut oil Planter's 100% pure.
Titration: 0ml0.1% KOH (90% pure)
Less glycerine dropped out than I expect. Incomplete
, 2008 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil
Roger,
Peanut oil is interesting stuff.
I just did a test batch with peanut oil Planter's 100% pure.
Titration: 0ml0.1% KOH (90% pure)
Less glycerine dropped out than I expect. Incomplete reaction
to You,
Tom
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From: Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil
Sorry
.
Best of Luck to You,
Tom
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From: Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil
: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil
New Results...Better I think.
I tried another batch last night with vegetable oil with 'better' results.
1L Clean, Virgin, Vegetable Oil
200ml Methanol
5.5g of 90% KOH (All with very similar results)
55°C Temp
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil
Sorry for the excitement and frustration. I've made 4 or 5 1L batches
with virgin peanut oil with no luck.
1L Clean, Virgin, Peanut Oil
200ml Methanol
5.4g, 5.5g, 5.6g, 6.0g of 90% KOH (All
.
Tom
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From: Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:18 AM
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That is what I was looking for. I
on the peanut oil.
Tom
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Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil
Sorry
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From: Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil
Sorry for the excitement and frustration. I've made 4 or 5 1L batches
with virgin peanut oil
myself.
Tom
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From: Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil
New Results...Better I think.
I tried another batch last
Has anyone tried this? It's all I had laying around to start with but I
keep getting a questionable result. Since it was new, I tried the same
recipe for virgin vegetable oil and it didn't really pass the wash test
and as soon as it got cold, it turned into sludge. I wish there was
more
,
Tom
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Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:13 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil
Has anyone tried this? It's all I had laying around to start
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From: Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:13 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil
Has anyone tried this? It's all I had laying around to start with but I
keep getting a questionable result. Since
: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil
Sorry for the excitement and frustration. I've made 4 or 5 1L batches
with virgin peanut oil with no luck.
1L Clean, Virgin, Peanut Oil
200ml Methanol
5.4g, 5.5g, 5.6g, 6.0g of 90% KOH (All with very similar results)
55°C Temp via Hotplate
Agitation: Fast
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From: Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:13 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Test Batches with Peanut Oil
Has anyone tried this? It's all I had laying around to start
with but I
keep getting a questionable result. Since
I have made a few test batches and they all seem to end up hazy with a dark
layer on top. Is this what happens when the reaction is not complete?
I use Phenolphthalein and am concerned that it is not working correctly. I
checked the PH with PH paper after titrating and the PH was 7. I had to add
I have made a few test batches and they all seem to end up hazy with a dark
layer on top. Is this what happens when the reaction is not complete?
No, but what's the dark layer on top? Do you mean you think the
biodiesel layer is darker than it should be?
I use Phenolphthalein and am concerned
test batch yesterday. It that a
reflection or something?
best regards,
Ken Uy (tanuki)
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Test Batches
I have made a few test batches
again. I will post the results when done.
John
Keith Addison wrote:
Thankyou John.
I hope this discussion can resume now.
Best wishes
Keith Addison
List owner
to todd and the list in general,
I would like to sincerely apologize for allowing myself to get
involved in this flame war. It
)
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] test batches and the JtF quality test
Hello John
Actually, it takes a brave man to tell a few home truths to John Tillman
(aka tillyfromparadise, aka
are kept at
reasonable temperatures, the first and foremost is not just to keep the
human occupants fuzzy and comfortable.
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Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] test batches
you're primary interest is.
Good day.
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Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 9:38 PM
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todd,
Appal Energy wrote:
John,
I don't know why you find
another John)
:-) A fine name, to be sure.
Best wishes
Keith
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Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] test batches and the JtF quality test
Hello John
Actually, it takes a brave
I would like to sincerely apologize for allowing myself to get involved
in this flame war. It was inappropriate and not at all constructive.
Further I apologize for my use of inappropriate language.
I still have unanswered questions that I hope I can get answered here. I
will continue to
I hope this discussion can resume now.
Best wishes
Keith Addison
List owner
to todd and the list in general,
I would like to sincerely apologize for allowing myself to get
involved in this flame war. It was inappropriate and not at all
constructive.
Further I apologize for my use of
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] test batches and the JtF quality test
Resending the following because I am unsure if it was caught in the
outage:
Understood. I will produce a batch large enough to make several runs at
the 150mL test and post the results.
I consumed the remains of my last test
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From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] test batches and the JtF quality test
John,
I still think that temperature has a drastic effect on seperation time
And you're correct
close to the middle of what's known to work.
Todd Swearingen
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] test batches and the JtF quality test
Resending the following because I am
occupants
fuzzy and comfortable.
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From: John Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] test batches and the JtF quality test
Todd,
sorry to have stuck a sore spot with you, please stop taking
Actually, it takes a brave man to tell a few home truths to John
Tillman (aka tillyfromparadise, aka about 30 false IDs created to
give the impression of group support) - you run the risk of
precipitating a tireless, relentless, truly mindless, vicious and
utterly integrity-free hate war
G'day all;
- Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] test batches and the JtF quality test
John,
I still think that temperature has a drastic effect on seperation time
not really trying to say that keith has made a mistake on his site.
instead I was asking for more information on how to conduct the test in
a reproducible manner. I have a lot of respect for keith and what he
does. you seem to lack that and I would be interested to understand why.
I think
: [Biofuel] test batches and the JtF quality test
the quality test listed here:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality
doesn't have enough information to be reproducible.
separation time seems to be based on a number of factors including but
probably not limited to:
ambient
, 2004 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] test batches and the JtF quality test
Todd,
the 70*F batch was mostly separated within about 5-10 minutes but didn't
really reach completion until the end of 25 minutes.
thirty seconds to a minute???
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html
be neared or met in a meticulous homebrewer's
environment.
Todd Swearingen
- Original Message - From: John Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] test batches and the JtF quality test
Todd,
the 70*F batch
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality
doesn't have enough information to be reproducible.
separation time seems to be based on a number of factors including but
probably not limited to:
ambient temperature
initial temperature of the H2O and the FAME
I made a test batch
a
clean separation within 30 seconds to one minute, using the first water that
comes out of a cold tap (ambient temp).
Todd Swearingen
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From: John Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 3:25 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] test
I've only been a member of this group for a short time, but I've
learned a few tricks to making biodiesel thanks to other more
experienced members.I am currently working on getting a supply of WVO
from a fast food place near to where I work. In my test batches, I've
used 500mls of straight
Greetings list,
I have a question. If you do a test batch and you get a glob of what looks
like hard grease or bad looking soap, wouldn't that mean that you probably
used to much lye?
Rick M
Brownstown, Mi.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Ken,
I wonder how things would go with titrations between 2-3 ml NaOH? That
seem to be somewhat average WVO that I am collecting. I sure do need to
get over to MAX's to get some of that stuff your collecting .. ;-)
This is a great thread and I am glad your doing the experiments to figure
on 12/30/03 8:26 AM, Dan Maker at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I want to make biodiesel from WVO and Ethanol. So far
the only ethyl esters I've heard discussed are from
virgin oil, or mostly virgin oil with only a small
percentage of WVO.
Well, not exactly. I've been using about half 'n' half
Ken Provost said:
Well, not exactly. I've been using about half 'n' half
WVO and flush oil (overall 0.9 ml NaOH titer), but I'm
doing a sample of straight WVO (1.7 ml NaOH) tonite with
90:10 eth:meth just to prove you wrong :-)
Great to hear you are having such success with wvo. Now can
Hi Dan
Keith Addison said:
Sorry it's taken me so long to reply, hollidays and finishing up a
down draft gasifier to burn waste wood have taken a lot of time. The
gasifier is working nicely, I now need to build the heat exchanger.
If you accidently measure out an extra .1 gram NaOH in each
Keith Addison said:
That's only one-tenth the required amount of NaOH, it should be 3.5
grams. You say the opposite thing about the iffy test batch below: I
think I had too much NaOH in it...
Yes, I didn't trust my initial calculations or measurements on my initial
test batch and added in
Keith Addison said:
Sorry it's taken me so long to reply, hollidays and finishing up a
down draft gasifier to burn waste wood have taken a lot of time. The
gasifier is working nicely, I now need to build the heat exchanger.
If you accidently measure out an extra .1 gram NaOH in each batch it
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