will.
In all sincerity and hoping that your future jests will be more benign,
Bob A.
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. I hope you will. In all sincerity and hoping that your future jests will be more benign, Bob A. - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lowe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <BIOFUEL@SUSTAINABLELISTS.ORG> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol,
you can do better. I hope you will.
In all sincerity and hoping that your future jests will be more
benign,
Bob A.
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sincerity and hoping that your future jests will be more benign,
Bob A.
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better. I hope you will.
In all sincerity and hoping that your future jests will be more benign,
Bob A.
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Michael wrote:
This press release below produced the AP story that follows it.
July 5, 2005
Cornell ecologist's study finds that producing ethanol and biodiesel
from corn and other crops
e" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <BIOFUEL@SUSTAINABLELISTS.ORG> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, hydrogen energy efficiencies Michael wrote: This press release below produced the AP story that follows it. July 5, 2005 Cornell ecologis
Greeting all,
What would happen to the Cornell results if a crop like sugar beets was used instead of corn?
Tom Irwin
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Still, all rather sad how ethanol has become the predominate alternative
fuel of choice for gasoline
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Still, all rather sad how ethanol has become the predominate
alternative
fuel of choice for gasoline applications when methanol yields far
higher
outputs
results if a crop like sugar beets was
used instead of corn?
Tom Irwin
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Michael wrote:
This press release below produced the AP story that follows it.
July 5, 2005
Cornell ecologist's study finds that producing
I think this whole discussion mightbe lessimportant if we didn't haveofficials in the current administration changing, misinterpreting and discrediting scientific reports thatdisagree with their agenda. What's worse is that some scientists are doing it for them!
Science has become
Tom Irwin wrote:
I don't think ethanol will be a dinosaur in 20 years but would
appreciate why you think so if it is other than yields per hectare.
Methanol has the capacity to produce some nasty tailpipe emmission (as
does ethanol but less so) and is far more toxic to humans and animals
than
Tom Irwin wrote:
Greeting all,
What would happen to the Cornell results if a crop like sugar beets was
used instead of corn?
Please don't call it the Cornell results. That implies the entire
university backs Pimentel's findings.
As to your question, I can't answer it directly, but you
will be more benign,
Bob A.
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your future jests will be more benign, Bob A. - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lowe" To: Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, hydrogen energy efficiencies Michael wrote: This press release below produced the AP story that follo
@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thu, 04 Aug 2005 10:35:58 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, hydrogen energy efficiencies Still, all rather sad how ethanol has become the predominate alternative fuel of choice for gasoline applications when methanol yields far higher outputs
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Dinosaur as a matter of necessity
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Michael wrote:
This press release below produced the AP story that follows it.
July 5, 2005
Cornell ecologist's study finds that producing ethanol and biodiesel
from corn and other crops is not worth the energy
By Susan S
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TomIrwin
From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:30:20 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, hydrogen energy efficiencies I could be missing something, this is probably too simple an analysis.Perhaps the process
Hi Hakan and All ;
Trying to get back into this.
The process of converting biomass to methanol
requires pyrolization
(thermochemical) reactors which convert the biomass
to crude producer
gases. (See 19th century gas street lighting and the
process of charcoal
production.) After washing
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Michael wrote:
This press release below produced the AP story that follows it.
July 5, 2005
Cornell ecologist's study finds that producing ethanol and biodiesel from
corn and other crops is not worth
will.
In all sincerity and hoping that your future jests will be more benign,
Bob A.
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Michael wrote:
This press release below produced the AP story that follows it.
July 5, 2005
Cornell ecologist's study finds that producing ethanol and biodiesel
from corn and other crops is not worth the energy
By Susan S. Lang
Chris Hallman/University Photography
Ecologist
Bravo Keith !
The ethanol game is hotting up. Very solid facts presented by you for Ethanol.
Then how individuals can undo the disinformation campaign. It's the media which makes or mars such people as Pimental -and their views, particularly if they are academics with a couple of alphabets
In the article, Pimentel is shown pumping gas, most likely plain old
regular unleaded gas...
And it crossed my mind, How much energy was used to provide a
gallon of plain old regular unleaded gas, considering all the energy
consumed, not only in drilling and pumping crude, cleaning,
Mike,
Maybe you found out the reason why they died out so fast, it is at least a
logical explanation. LOL
Let us hope that Montsano also will join the list of destroyed species.
Hakan
At 03:21 AM 7/25/2005, you wrote:
In all likelihood, Monsanto would volunteer to provide the huge amount
The problem with Pimentel is that he does not really understand what he is
talking about, or that he deliberately misinform, in order to support a
hidden agenda. Also the conversion of crude to gasoline, cost more energy
than you get and have no real energy benefit either. Diesel is better
Interesting read I thought maybe there is yet one more way to look at this? Hakan,
I just posted this in my newsgroup
Please note the first linePhotos available at the site:from ; http://www.aa.washington.edu/AERP/CRYOCAR/CryoCar.htmNote: Due to lack of funding, this research project at the UW
In the article, Pimentel is shown pumping gas, most likely plain old
regular unleaded gas...
And it crossed my mind, How much energy was used to provide a gallon of
plain old regular unleaded gas, considering all the energy consumed, not
only in drilling and pumping crude, cleaning,
"The energy for the processes can come from biomass"
I think you are right about that. I also think that since research into alternatives has stagnated since the seventies, we are still only scratching the surface ofwhat's possible on a large scale.IMO,each of the alternatives to fossil fuels
In all likelihood, Monsanto would volunteer to provide the huge amount of vegetation for that dinosaur. So, thatmeansit'll probably die of a blood disorder or kidney failure.
:-)
Mikedes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the article, Pimentel is shown pumping gas, most likely plain old regular
des wrote:
In the article, Pimentel is shown pumping gas, most likely plain old
regular unleaded gas...
And it crossed my mind, How much energy was used to provide a gallon of
plain old regular unleaded gas,
Hi Doug. Here's one posted to the list,
[biofuel] Another reason to get off
Michael wrote:
This press release below produced the AP story that follows it.
Grief! This thing just WILL NOT DIE! Pimental's work has more
resurrections than the entire New Testament and the last 20 years of
the North American soap opera television genre. . .
robert luis rabello
The
Michael wrote:
This press release below produced the AP story that follows it.
Grief! This thing just WILL NOT DIE! Pimental's work has
more resurrections than the entire New Testament and the last 20
years of the North American soap opera television genre. . .
:-)
I think it will not
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