RE: [svg-developers] Re: finds the htm, but not the ID

Hi, Jim- | Er, IE works fine with fragment identifiers in http | resources, as this thread shows - IE strips fragment | references from file:// protocol stuff, but it's happy across | plugin boundaries, the issue is file:// and I can't see this | as something that needs fixing, their being no

[svg-developers] Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

Jonathan, wake up! Heck, you can sleep peacefully, but "according to standards" made me, I guess, want to get the hell out of Dodge. I'm so frightfully tired of no awareness to creative efforts, being mostly subject to anal tendancies, so, that I'm going to retire from this SVG circus. Enjoy you

[svg-developers] Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

Gosh Jonathan, Give me a handle...Otherwise I'll be frustrated, because I have no buttons to push. Luv Ya (come on folks, I'm not gay, just aware of the future), Francis --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Watt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10/7/05, Francis Hemsher <[EMAIL PR

[svg-developers] Firefox 1.5 beta 2 released

Firefox 1.5 beta 2 has been released. This will be the final beta before 1.5proper. Despite its "beta" label, this build should have good stability, so I'd encourage everyone to take it for a spin. Those of you who have beta 1 installed should be able to use the software update feature to upgrade t

Re: [svg-developers] Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

On 10/7/05, Francis Hemsher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hai, Jonathan Hey. Fistly, I am appreciative that you didn't respond under the ego > thingy. Secondly, off to the aside, I respect your comments, but I > don't yet place you in sainthood of SVG(maybe later after we are all > fat and sass

[svg-developers] svg +xhtml displaying in proper order

Hi all, i have a problem. I want to use z index of xhtml and similar thing if available in svg to produce objects(images,texts) stacked one after another in proper order. z -index is available in xhtml but i want to know what to use in Svg so that both xhtml and svg are displayed in proper order

[svg-developers] Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

hai, Jonathan, Fistly, I am appreciative that you didn't respond under the ego thingy. Secondly, off to the aside, I respect your comments, but I don't yet place you in sainthood of SVG(maybe later after we are all fat and sassy). You are involved with some folks that have disappointed us in

Re: [svg-developers] Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

On 10/6/05, Francis Hemsher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm willing to meet MOZ halfway...If they recognize that, not just > myself, but many others need a means of FF accepting their current > ASV efforts, not totally ignoring their creations. I'll be frank. I'm a little pissed of here. I don

[svg-developers] Re: Ego Games (was: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!)

Jonathan, You probably won't believe this, but any headaches that were present (I don't remember any, but If that makes you happy) went away, a long while ago, when I determined that others who try to short- circuit native abilities in anyone are not valid. I don't care what their rationale is.

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Ego Games (was: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!)

On 10/7/05, Francis Hemsher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Myself, being accurately accused as an ego game player, would like to > say that developers do not have a need to be suckled to what you > purists are about. Purists? What is a purist? Someone who has the common sense to write code that w

[svg-developers] Re: Ego Games (was: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!)

Myself, being accurately accused as an ego game player, would like to say that developers do not have a need to be suckled to what you purists are about. Who gives a shit what you've 'told us', we're too fucking busy trying to make our stuff work today. f. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.co

[svg-developers] Re: Ego Games (was: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!)

Alistair, from the cradle we are ego-centric. Would you rather we just suck our pablum, not providing what we have to offer? What a one- dimensional world that would be, comfy to some, but lacking in the creativity and energy that can each offer being our birthright in this cantankerous world.

[svg-developers] Problem with embed statement... Please help!!!

I understand the embed statement comes with an attribute src, which contains to the location relative to the html file. However, I am doing a jsp file, and using weblogic in the process. Hence my url for the jsp is http://mycomp:7001/svg/x.jsp My svgs are created in a local drive dynamically via

Re: [svg-developers] Ego Games (was: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!)

On 10/7/05, Doug Schepers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In fact, none of this is new; I told you about the issue on your own > svg-and-the-dom list *2 years* ago [1]. You were warned long before you > created the content that you are now claiming FF breaks. > Oh, now that *is* interesting. *Very*

[svg-developers] Javascript Fit To Window Function?

Hi There, I was just wondering if there is a javascript command I can run to reduce or enlarge the size of a drawing to fit it's containing window, while keeping it's aspect ratio. For example, if the embed window in the html document is 400px and the drawing exceeds 600px, the drawing needs t

[svg-developers] Re: Linking images with

Well, i tried the variation and it works right. But i tried to incorporate the code to the full code and I still have the trouble. I don't understand much about ASV3, what it means? Other thing, I am using some JavaScript code in my page. I send you the url of a dummy of my page (I don't send

[svg-developers] Re: Ego Games (was: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!)

How fitting the subject line is... ... --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Francis Hemsher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doug, > I have tried to be sensitive in my own, I guess, mostly inadequate > way. But me thinks it's time to take take off the kid gloves and get > to some bare knuckle c

[svg-developers] Re: Ego Games (was: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!)

Doug, I have tried to be sensitive in my own, I guess, mostly inadequate way. But me thinks it's time to take take off the kid gloves and get to some bare knuckle communication: The airy-faerie procrastinators of the SVG future probably have not coded diddly. Sure, you show your cutsy examples,

[svg-developers] Re: finds the htm, but not the ID

"Chris Lilley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > The IE plug-in interface strips of fragment identifiers when a URI is > passed across the boundary. Er, IE works fine with fragment identifiers in http resources, as this thread shows - IE strips fragment references fr

[svg-developers] Ego Games (was: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!)

Hi, Francis- | Thanks for the .js file. I will definitely use it if I take | to FireFox. My issue isn't that code can't be globally changed, So, you've been given both the technical reasons and the easy solutions. Jim and I have provided you with simple workarounds for what you perceive as a "p

Re: [svg-developers] finds the htm, but not the ID

On Thursday, October 6, 2005, 11:26:29 PM, Doug wrote: DS> Hi, Bryan- DS> | I tried several different absolute and relative paths, to no avail. DS> | DS> | Maybe xlink:href only works with http. This would be a setback. DS> I can confirm that it does not work with ASV+IE on local files. I don'

RE: [svg-developers] finds the htm, but not the ID

Hi, Bryan- | I tried several different absolute and relative paths, to no avail. | | Maybe xlink:href only works with http. This would be a setback. I can confirm that it does not work with ASV+IE on local files. I don't know if it is IE or ASV that is causing the problem, though I suspect it's

RE: [svg-developers] Can we call adobe svg viewer predefined methods such as zoom??

Hi, omarrabi13- | I want to call the zoom in/out, pan and original view method | that are predefined in the adobe svg plugin. in the browser, | you access them either by right click (the contextual menu) | or by clicking on ctlr, | ctrl+shift or alt... The short answer is no, you cannot call

[svg-developers] Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

Hi Jim, Thanks for the .js file. I will definitely use it if I take to FireFox. My issue isn't that code can't be globally changed, my issue is the mentality of MOZ. If they can't work with the needs of developers, and have, what I call, a "validator" mentality, then I want nothing to with the

[svg-developers] Re: Performance question

have you tried to load the file in Batik and see what part takes the longest? In Batik you get messages in the status line, telling when the file was loaded, when the scripts are parsed and when rendering starts. Is it the rendering that takes that long or the parsing of the file? If you use

[svg-developers] Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

"Francis Hemsher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To make a current project viewable in FireFox, just to even start > that effort requires, reveiwing 50,000 lines of code and > incorporating NS in all calls for svg elements. That's just the > beginning, because the b

[svg-developers] Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

This is the bottom line for myself: To make a current project viewable in FireFox, just to even start that effort requires, reveiwing 50,000 lines of code and incorporating NS in all calls for svg elements. That's just the beginning, because the browser/SVGviewer communication also requires add

RE: [svg-developers] finds the htm, but not the ID

Hi Doug, That was a great clue. I took the link from your sample: and stuck it in my SCG file, and it worked like a dream (found your web page; found the corresponding Animation. But when I saved your samples.html to my file system, and changed the the link to a file link: It went back t

Re: [svg-developers] Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

On 10/6/05, Robin Berjon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jonathan Watt wrote: > > But what if you go against these > > instructions? What if you use createElement instead of createElementNS > in > > your SVG documents? What should happen? Is it possible that it could > create > > an element in the s

[svg-developers] Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

Francis, Here is your example: A DOM scripting engine that handles multiple types of XML dialects, as opposed to a single one (such as the ASV3 scripting engine). Then, not only does it handle multiple dialects, but it enables seamless communication between the formats (as opposed to the current

Re: [svg-developers] "ASV is waning fast" (Was: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!)

Hi Andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> ASV is waning fast as Firefox rises > > Do you have any data to back that up? I wish! Unfortunately I don't have hard numbers. My statement was based on an accumulation of fact which point in that direction: - Firefox is gro

[svg-developers] Re: Insert a script section in a java generated svg document

Hi, try use Beatware Mobile designer, http://www.beatware.com/products/md_golive.html I´m testting and is quite interesting, It has a java ssipt panel, at these time I didn´t try to insert a js but i think it´s possible Edu de Souza www.kwead.com --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Thomas D

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

On 10/6/05, Jim Ley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "Jonathan Watt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On 10/6/05, Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The problem is, browsers (such as Mozilla) decided long > > ago to make a consistant stand. > > Unfortunate

[svg-developers] "ASV is waning fast" (Was: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!)

In a message dated 06/10/2005 15:28:48 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ASV is waning fast as Firefox rises Robin, Do you have any data to back that up? Thanks. Andrew Watt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sp

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

Jim Ley wrote: > So Mozilla's stand is far from consistent, with text/html documents > createElement works as the OP wants, with application/xhtml+xml or > image/svg+xml createElement does not work how the OP wants despite the DOM > being equivalently namespace aware. I don't know where the beh

Re: [svg-developers] Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

Jonathan Watt wrote: > But what if you go against these > instructions? What if you use createElement instead of createElementNS in > your SVG documents? What should happen? Is it possible that it could create > an element in the same namespace as the element you called it on? Well yes. > Probably

[svg-developers] Re: Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

"Jonathan Watt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On 10/6/05, Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem is, browsers (such as Mozilla) decided long > ago to make a consistant stand. Unfortunately not, Mozilla's DOM created from text/html documents are na

RE: [svg-developers] Re: Performance question

I create the circles on the server, so when the svg is displayed, the circles are already written in the file. But what you say is important because I was wondering if it could be faster if I'd create the circles by using a javascript function when loading the document... So the response seems t

[svg-developers] Re: your word document

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Re: [svg-developers] Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

On 10/6/05, Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > < to setAttributeNS(CurrentDocNS,attr,prop) ??? > JD>> > > Indeed (and the same with createElement). I don't think he was suggesting > that setAttributeNS() should be removed, but it is silly that there is a > setAttribute() which we currentl

[svg-developers] Can we call adobe svg viewer predefined methods such as zoom??

Hi all, I want to call the zoom in/out, pan and original view method that are predefined in the adobe svg plugin. in the browser, you access them either by right click (the contextual menu) or by clicking on ctlr, ctrl+shift or alt... how can I call these functions from my javascript code?? li

RE: [svg-developers] setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

Happy birthday, Francis! function MakeElement( elementType, parentElement ) { var newElement = SVGDocument.createElementNS('http://www.w3.org/2000/svg', elementType); if ( null != parentElement ) { parentElement.appendChild( newElement ); } return newElement; }; function Se

[svg-developers] Re: Performance question

Hi Julie, I still don't understand if you generate the circles in the client, using Javascript or on the server. In the first case, that might be one of the reasons why it is very slow. If you generate the circles on the server, than you can as well aggregate the circles. I had a similar pro

Re: [svg-developers] Need help in devolping the maps through SVG

Have you tried Adobe Illustrator? I use that for creating SVG lake maps. Ramindar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi, I am making an application in which i got to make the maps in SVG. In which i got to give an unique id to each land area. So i am looking for an editor in which i can draw the map in s

Re: [svg-developers] Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

Richard Smith wrote: > Indeed (and the same with createElement). I don't think he was > suggesting that setAttributeNS() should be removed, but it is silly > that there is a setAttribute() which we currently can't use! It would > make much more sense if the setAttribute() and createElement() > func

Re: [svg-developers] Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:30:58 +0100 Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > < to setAttributeNS(CurrentDocNS,attr,prop) ??? > JD>> > > Indeed (and the same with createElement). I don't think he was suggesting > that setAttributeNS() should be removed, but it is silly that there is a > setAttri

[svg-developers] Convert Swf to SVG

Hi I want to convert the swf file into svg format. Is there any tool or utility for this. How can i convert swf into svg. Thanx in advance Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.c

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Performance question

hi julie, >What do you mean by "switch of anti-aliasing" ? > > check out ASV supports that. >Concerning your suggestion of create rectangles instead of circles, why not... >I'll test it. >I don't understand neither your last

[svg-developers] adobe's SVG viewer caching

Hi, Is it possible to control caching by ASV (3.03) ? My svg files are included in an tag (to be able to give alternative text when viewer is not installed). Each time my page is refreshed, the svg document is reloaded from the server. Looking in detail to the http headers: 1. request for m

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Performance question

What do you mean by "switch of anti-aliasing" ? Concerning your suggestion of create rectangles instead of circles, why not... I'll test it. I don't understand neither your last suggestion. What I do is to generate the file using Batik, so each circle is written inside a loop (creating the circle

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Performance question

hi julie, there is no real workaround. ("trop c'est trop.") some possibilities although: - switch of anti-aliasing - try to render rectangles rather than circles. if they are that small that won't make any difference. i did some tests a year ago with randomly generated basic shapes. in order

RE: [svg-developers] Re: Performance question

Thanks for your quick answer. In my svg file, I have first a javascript section that contains an array that have the same nb of lines (36000) Then here is a part of my svg file section where circles are drawn : ... I use the Adobe SVG viewer on IE6, on Windows XP, 2.6 GHz

[svg-developers] Change map styles

Hello, I currently have a few mapstyles in seperate css-files (f.e. map1.css map2.css ...). On top of my svg document I have: Is there a way to change the href value via DOM? By the way, the second row is called a "processing node"? Jeroen Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_discla

[svg-developers] Re: Performance question

"jgfa92004" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > I have a svg file containing 36000 circles That's a lot of circles! on a 1024x768 they'd all have to have a radius of 2 pixels so you could see them all, at 2px radius, there's no way you could see they are circles. Do

[svg-developers] Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

<> Indeed (and the same with createElement). I don't think he was suggesting that setAttributeNS() should be removed, but it is silly that there is a setAttribute() which we currently can't use! It would make much more sense if the setAttribute() and createElement() functions just 'worked' - i.

[svg-developers] Re: Performance question

Hi Julie, can you post an example to see how you structured the file? Also which SVG viewer did you try? Also on which OS did you try, with how much memory and CPU power available? But it might well be that 36000 circles are too much for the current SVG viewers. The currently existing viewers (A

[svg-developers] Performance question

Hi all, I have a svg file containing 36000 circles : is it normal that it takes about 5 minutes to display/open ? Is there a way to make this more efficient ? Thanks. Julie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job).

RE: [svg-developers] a doubt requires clarrification

Hi, arthy- It sounds like you may be using my tooltip example from svg-whiz.com. In that case, you do need to have a 'title' and a 'desc' element (not an attribute as Francis suggests). var svgns = 'http://www.w3.org/2000/svg'; var newTitle = SVGDocument.createElementNS( svgns, 'title' ); var

Re: [svg-developers] setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

I agree. I really don't know what the fuss is all about. instead of: setAttribute("myAttr","myAttrValue") you get: setAttributeNS(ns,"myAttr","myAttrValue") = 5 extra characters Is that so much to ask? There really worse things happening in the world I believe

[svg-developers] circle color change

hai , I have some 10 circles each circle is given the group id .Is there a possibility of giving the circle id in a textbox .once the name is specified in the box the color of the circle has to change ,or anyother indication that makes the circle different from the rest of the circles. how can i a

[svg-developers] SVG Tiny feature string?

Hi! it may be a very novice question.but i am little confused about SVG Tiny Feature strings. http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile/Tiny/feature.html Is it used by the device to advertise its SVG capabilities? if yes, then how a content author can get the feature string and adapt the content according

[svg-developers] a doubt requires clarrification

Hai , Thanx for your reply.But actually I have some circles in my program and the lines connecting these circles.what the problem is i am going to generate the circles first and connect these circles dynamically.in order to connect the circles dynamically i have created the line element itself in

Re: [svg-developers] setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

Francis Hemsher wrote: > How many of you just love to type about 100 extra keystrokes for any > SVG element you want to create or access? With the amount of keystrokes you've wasted on this discussion you'd have had time to create your own helper library that does things the way you like them,

RE: [svg-developers] Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

Hi, Francis- | I don't know what in hell you are talking about. I did a | search for this wondourous LandscapingML and/or LML, but | Google says that's a non-happening. It's an imaginary, arbitrary XML I asked you to make up, as described here: | > | Doug says: | > | > Design an XML dialect t

[svg-developers] Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

Hi Doug, I don't know what in hell you are talking about. I did a search for this wondourous LandscapingML and/or LML, but Google says that's a non-happening. I guess there are thingies below the Google radar, but can they be important in our current SVG environment? Francis --- In svg-deve

[svg-developers] Embed SVG Javscript Problem

Hi, I am having a little problem with SVG. My project is given a XML file, sth like this: There is a lot of data, so I shall skip... So I am using XSLT to convert this data to a HTML format, and at the same time convert the xml to a svg format and save the SVG file to the local drive.

RE: [svg-developers] Re: setAttributeNS is dumb,dumb,dumb!

Hi, Francis- | Francis proposed: | | > | Without further ado, I also challenge anyone to provide a | namespace | > | process of today, whereby I can't present it in a more intuitive | > | method, without the use of namespace. | | Doug says: | > This should be easy for you. Design an XML dial