Re: [systemd-devel] Splitting sd-boot from systemd/bootctl for enabling sd-boot in Fedora

2022-04-30 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 30.4.2022 05:08, Andrei Borzenkov wrote: On 28.04.2022 10:54, Lennart Poettering wrote: * systemd-boot is an additional bootloader, rather than replacing an existing one, thus increasing the attack surface. Hmm, what? "additional bootloader"? Are they suggesting you use grub to start sd-b

Re: [systemd-devel] Splitting sd-boot from systemd/bootctl for enabling sd-boot in Fedora

2022-04-30 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 30.4.2022 07:53, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 30.4.2022 05:08, Andrei Borzenkov wrote: On 28.04.2022 10:54, Lennart Poettering wrote: * systemd-boot is an additional bootloader, rather than replacing an existing one, thus increasing the attack surface. Hmm, what? "addit

Re: [systemd-devel] Bugfix release(s)

2019-01-15 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1/14/19 3:48 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mo, 14.01.19 08:43, Dave Reisner (d...@falconindy.com) wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 10:59:06AM +0100, Jan Synacek wrote: Hi, since v240 didn't go too well, I would like to suggest that the next one (preferably two) release(s) are bugfix only

Re: [systemd-devel] RFC: idea for a pstore systemd service

2019-01-15 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1/15/19 6:49 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Di, 15.01.19 11:23, Eric DeVolder (eric.devol...@oracle.com) wrote: Systemd-devel, Below is a write-up I've done to explain a new service for archiving pstore contents. I've attached the pstore.service files (/lib/systemd/system/pstore.service

Re: [systemd-devel] taking time off

2019-01-15 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1/15/19 8:58 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: What's going on is just too stupid/crazy. This begs the question what you consider is too stupid/crazy? Is it something here upstream ( which could be improved upon )? Or is it something ( political? ) downstream in Debian? Or both? JBG __

[systemd-devel] Mkosi and downstream release cycles and their support

2019-01-21 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
Greetings Not sure if this is the right place for mkosi and casync discussions probably better create seperated mailing list for both of these components ( lates issue against mkosi seems to be a user problem not a bug ). Anyway we have had two bugs reported against mkosi today one of which

Re: [systemd-devel] Collect logs over serial

2019-01-31 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 1/31/19 4:34 PM, Paul Menzel wrote: numbered differently You can try to do this via tty symlinked udev rule, something along the lines of # /etc/udev/rules.d/99-consistent-serial.rules # Generic sample ( replace $FOO with something relevant to your environment ) SUBSYSTEM=="tty", KE

Re: [systemd-devel] How to speed up detection of emmc partition and mount the filesystem

2019-02-05 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 2/4/19 7:22 PM, Petr wrote: Hello, I have custom linux on embedded machine generated with Buildroot using  emmc drive which contains  root filesystem on /dev/mmcblk0p2 and application data on  /dev/mmcblk0p4. The root fileystem is mounted pretty quickly, but the application data are mount

Re: [systemd-devel] Static IP address on wandering Wi-Fi client

2019-06-14 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
Hi On 6/13/19 2:44 PM, Bruce A. Johnson wrote: We recently decided to add a Wi-Fi interface as an option to the Ethernet interface, and it was easy enough to set up wpa_supplicant to handle connecting the lower layer, after which systemd-networkd uses the .network file to bring up IP, either usi

Re: [systemd-devel] Static IP address on wandering Wi-Fi client

2019-06-18 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
Hi On 6/17/19 2:28 PM, Marcel Holtmann wrote: And frankly IP configuration needs to move into the network technology daemons like iwd for example. What's the argument here for that reasoning as in why not consolidate all network configuration ( ethernet/wifi/vrrp/vpn's etc.. ) to a single p

Re: [systemd-devel] Static IP address on wandering Wi-Fi client

2019-06-19 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
Hi Marcel On 6/19/19 5:14 AM, Marcel Holtmann wrote: Hi Johann, And frankly IP configuration needs to move into the network technology daemons like iwd for example. What's the argument here for that reasoning as in why not consolidate all network configuration ( ethernet/wifi/vrrp/vpn's etc

Re: [systemd-devel] Systemd loads units before btrfs subvolumes are mounted

2016-05-25 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
You will always risk ending up with a race condition if you place your type units outside the official directories. /etc/systemd/system/* ( Administrators ) /run/systemd/system/* ( Temporary ) /usr/lib/systemd/system/* ( Vendors ) Arguably the support running/loading type unit files outside

Re: [systemd-devel] Systemd loads units before btrfs subvolumes are mounted

2016-05-25 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 05/25/2016 03:22 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 25.05.16 10:05, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: You will always risk ending up with a race condition if you place your type units outside the official directories. /etc/systemd/system/* ( Administrators ) /run

Re: [systemd-devel] Systemd loads units before btrfs subvolumes are mounted

2016-05-26 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 05/26/2016 06:52 AM, Rashmi Ranjan Mohanty wrote: Just out of curiosity... If /usr itself is there on a separate partition, can this issue happen then or systemd can handle that scenario ? Systemd can cope with /usr being on separated partition however other core/baseOS components might n

Re: [systemd-devel] Systemd loads units before btrfs subvolumes are mounted

2016-05-26 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 05/26/2016 09:36 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: /usr is for the OS vendor really. Given that it's generally expected and wanted that application developers follow the os vendors packaging guideline and rules as possible in distribution and many 3rd party repositories reflect that, I have

Re: [systemd-devel] Systemd loads units before btrfs subvolumes are mounted

2016-05-26 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 05/26/2016 09:44 AM, Frederic Crozat wrote: I don't know how this software will be shipped, but if it is as a RPM package, it is best to be installed in /usr/lib/systemd/system. /etc/systemd/system should be for admins or 3rd parties not using packages. /etc is admin only territory and shou

Re: [systemd-devel] check to see if service is still alive

2016-05-26 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 05/26/2016 01:15 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 26.05.16 14:39, Thomas Güttler (guettl...@thomas-guettler.de) wrote: >Am 26.05.2016 um 14:35 schrieb Andrei Borzenkov: > >On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Thomas Güttler > > wrote: > >>I want to know if the service is alive, > > > >

Re: [systemd-devel] Systemd loads units before btrfs subvolumes are mounted

2016-05-26 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 05/26/2016 02:38 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: >On 05/26/2016 09:36 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > >/usr is for the OS vendor really. > >Given that it's generally expected and wanted that application developers >follow the os vendors packaging guideline and rules as possible in >distrib

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd network interface names - new twist

2016-06-02 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 06/02/2016 04:33 PM, JB wrote: Thanks, that's the plan but in order to buy myself that time, I'd need to get this resolved first. I'm afraid you wont buy yourself anything since your only option is to start immediately to look into applying real-time kernel patches or find another dis

Re: [systemd-devel] Systemd ask-password unable to handle cryptsetup passwords with \0 character inside ?

2016-06-07 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 06/07/2016 01:26 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: Not sure where this really leaves us. It leaves people wondering if it fits into bus 1. . . JBG ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailma

Re: [systemd-devel] question on special configuration case

2016-06-07 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 06/07/2016 03:13 PM, Hebenstreit, Michael wrote: we need to keep the OS of our systems are stripped down to an absolute bare minimum. If you need absolute bare minimum systemd [¹] then you need to create/maintain your entire distribution for that ( for example you would build systemd s

Re: [systemd-devel] question on special configuration case

2016-06-07 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 06/07/2016 10:17 PM, Hebenstreit, Michael wrote: I understand this usage model cannot be compared to laptops or web servers. But basically you are saying systemd is not usable for our High Performance Computing usage case and I might better off by replacing it with sysinitV. I was hoping f

Re: [systemd-devel] question on special configuration case

2016-06-08 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 06/08/2016 06:51 AM, Hebenstreit, Michael wrote: Thanks for this and the other suggestions! So for starters we’ll disable logind and dbus, increase watchdogsec and see where the footprint is – before disabling journald if necessary in a next step. You cannot disable journal but you can

Re: [systemd-devel] Can LSBInitScipts specify an dependency on systemd unit?

2016-06-09 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 06/09/2016 08:55 AM, Bao Nguyen wrote: Can it be declared like that? Can it work as expected if LSB depends on systemd service? Migrate that scripted mess to type units and be done with it. JBG ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lis

Re: [systemd-devel] Can LSBInitScipts specify an dependency on systemd unit?

2016-06-09 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 06/09/2016 09:02 AM, Ross Lagerwall wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Bao Nguyen wrote: With a new enough systemd, you should be able to add a snippet to extend the initscript like this: $ cat /etc/systemd/system/my_lsb_service.service.d/local.conf [Unit] Requires=systemd_1.service Afte

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd.conf early-bird tickets, cfp and workshops

2016-06-27 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 06/27/2016 02:36 PM, Chris Kühl wrote: Workshops: A new addition to this year's conference is the workshop day. The goal of this day is to offer hands-on training sessions to those who want to learn more about systemd. It's intended that these trainings be conducted by systemd community me

Re: [systemd-devel] Standardizing names for graphical session units

2016-07-04 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 07/04/2016 08:01 PM, Martin Pitt wrote: Feedback appreciated! Shipping an predefined desktop units arguably does not belong upstream since it's just catering to one ( desktop ) out of three ( embedded/server/desktop) target user base. It might result in other two target user base having

Re: [systemd-devel] Standardizing names for graphical session units

2016-07-06 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 07/06/2016 08:50 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote: I'm not sure how this would work regarding things like g-s-d which you want in multiple DEs.. perhaps the gnome.target would have to be split up into gnome-base.target and gnome.target to allow for this use case? Or perhaps g-s-d could just become bus

Re: [systemd-devel] Standardizing names for graphical session units

2016-07-06 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 07/06/2016 12:51 PM, Jan Alexander Steffens wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 2:21 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson mailto:johan...@gmail.com>> wrote: It's questionable if such application should reside in upstream systemd since arguably systemd should have never

Re: [systemd-devel] Standardizing names for graphical session units

2016-07-06 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 07/06/2016 02:34 PM, Martin Pitt wrote: This /usr/lib/systemd/user/graphical.target (and only that)*does* belong in to systemd, as it cannot sensibly be in any gnome-session/mate-session/kde-session/etc. package -- it's a shared resource/synchronization point between all of those. Having a un

Re: [systemd-devel] Standardizing names for graphical session units

2016-07-06 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
># gnome-user-graphical.target > >[Unit] >Description=User systemd services for graphical session >StopWhenUnneeded=yes So this is just another name for "my" gnome.target/gnome-session.target. As I said I'm not too fussed about how we name those, we should just decide about some convention.

Re: [systemd-devel] firmware update check script

2016-08-04 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 08/04/2016 07:45 AM, Stéphane ANCELOT wrote: You are right, but that's only systemd that is incompatible with this feature (and some more). Actually all initsystems are incompatible with this. As some people and some articles I have read on the web, it is time for myself switching my s

[systemd-devel] Head ups - upstream first no longer applies to the kernel.

2016-08-15 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
Just a heads up based on the merge of [1] systemd no longer requires features to have been accepted in the upstream kernel before merging it. Adjust you expectation accordingly for submission and potential downstream breakage for type units in which upstream might have decided to take advanta

Re: [systemd-devel] Head ups - upstream first no longer applies to the kernel.

2016-08-15 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 08/15/2016 04:08 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:53:56AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: >Just a heads up based on the merge of [1] systemd no longer >requires features to have been accepted in the upstream kernel >before merging it. See the

Re: [systemd-devel] Head ups - upstream first no longer applies to the kernel.

2016-08-16 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 08/16/2016 09:04 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 15.08.16 10:53, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: Johann, what you are posting here is really not helpful in any way. It's helpful in that way of letting people know that you have chosen to deviating from ups

Re: [systemd-devel] Head ups - upstream first no longer applies to the kernel.

2016-08-16 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 08/16/2016 09:06 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 15.08.16 16:52, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: The world isn't just black and white, you know. That depends entirely on ones perception of the world does it not? I'm interesting to hear when it is no

Re: [systemd-devel] Head ups - upstream first no longer applies to the kernel.

2016-08-16 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 08/16/2016 10:44 AM, Greg KH wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:11:27AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Recent case in point is the that the wireguard maintainer was/is interested seeing it property integrated into systemd. Anywork related to that could not be started *until* he had his

Re: [systemd-devel] Head ups - upstream first no longer applies to the kernel.

2016-08-16 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 08/16/2016 10:27 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 16.08.16 10:11, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: Yes kdbus is a good example why this should not be done. Why not just have an experimental repository for out of tree, un-merged stuff upstream and those that want to

Re: [systemd-devel] Head ups - upstream first no longer applies to the kernel.

2016-08-16 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 08/16/2016 10:42 AM, Greg KH wrote: As long as this new code doesn't break things for users without those kernel patches, why would you object? Are you having to maintain these new features for some reason? No but I eventually might have to deal with the fallout from such approach. Why ca

Re: [systemd-devel] Head ups - upstream first no longer applies to the kernel.

2016-08-16 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 08/16/2016 11:28 AM, Greg KH wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:15:03AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 08/16/2016 10:44 AM, Greg KH wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:11:27AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Recent case in point is the that the wireguard maintainer was/is

Re: [systemd-devel] Head ups - upstream first no longer applies to the kernel.

2016-08-16 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 08/16/2016 12:31 PM, Greg KH wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:25:47PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 08/16/2016 11:28 AM, Greg KH wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:15:03AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Such as what specifically? Are you pretending you are going to be

Re: [systemd-devel] Head ups - upstream first no longer applies to the kernel.

2016-08-16 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 08/16/2016 12:13 PM, Greg KH wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:23:03AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Why cant the kernel community figure this out and solve this upstream first since it's quite obvious from the threads that Tejun Heo linked to in that pull request that this

Re: [systemd-devel] Head ups - upstream first no longer applies to the kernel.

2016-08-16 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 08/16/2016 12:34 PM, Greg KH wrote: But agreement is usually the best way to work things out, don't you think? Isn't it better than the traditional way a company works (a project manager says "this has to be merged!")? Agreed mutual agreement is the best course of action always but someti

Re: [systemd-devel] Head ups - upstream first no longer applies to the kernel.

2016-08-16 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 08/16/2016 12:51 PM, Greg KH wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:47:16PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Irrelevant. No, not at all, I'm just really confused as to what systemd changes are required to get wireguard working properly with it? Think of it like native integration

Re: [systemd-devel] Head ups - upstream first no longer applies to the kernel.

2016-08-16 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 08/16/2016 12:53 PM, Greg KH wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:51:12PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: >On 08/16/2016 12:34 PM, Greg KH wrote: > > >But agreement is usually the best way to work things out, don't you > >think? Isn't it better than the tradit

Re: [systemd-devel] Head ups - upstream first no longer applies to the kernel.

2016-08-16 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 08/16/2016 02:47 PM, Greg KH wrote: In the meantime, to object to other developers doing work on systemd to test out these changes seems very odd, who are you, or me, to tell someone else what they can or can not do with their project? Interesting philosophical question as to who owns the p

Re: [systemd-devel] Fedora 25, cgroups V2 and systemd roadmap

2016-10-10 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 10/10/2016 11:31 AM, Kevin Wilson wrote: Hello, systemd developers, So we have now 3 V2 cgroups controller in the kernel (pids, memory and io). The CPU controller as of now is not merged in and is available only in an out of tree git repo (due to some debate over it with kernel scheduler deve

Re: [systemd-devel] Fedora 25, cgroups V2 and systemd roadmap

2016-10-10 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 10/10/2016 04:46 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: I still hope that Fedora can go the Facebook route, and just patch the stuff in, and ignore the fight going on in the kernel community. That wont fly by the kernel sub community in Fedora in which they are doing whatever they can not having to

Re: [systemd-devel] Munge start Error

2016-11-17 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 11/17/2016 12:11 PM, JEYARAJ wrote: Hi All, Dear Sir, I ,am installing job scheduling system for a single machine.munge also installed latest version. I start with Munge service .Error is showing; Again I used the command: Systemctl status munge.service Error is came. This error is irre

Re: [systemd-devel] question regarding DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS in multiseat environment

2016-12-02 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 12/02/2016 12:28 PM, Simon McVittie wrote: Does this mean your user is trying to be physically present in two places at the same time? How is this a useful thing to do?:-) Clones are very useful things to have. You just sit a drink a pina colada in hut in bora bora while they do all the h

Re: [systemd-devel] networkd failure with ipv6.disable=1

2015-05-11 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/10/2015 10:07 PM, Mark Oteiza wrote: Hi, In 219, systemd.networkd fails to configure and set up links with ipv6 disabled. Propably better to use |*ipv6.disable_ipv6=**1* |which will ||will keep the IPv6 stack functional but wont assign any IPv6 addresses but I have to ask what's the

Re: [systemd-devel] networkd failure with ipv6.disable=1

2015-05-11 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/11/2015 10:31 AM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote: I had issues with accessing some sites with IPv6 enabled. Not everyone lives in shiny new world and IPv6 support from providers can be quite buggy. Most likely due to misbehaving name servers which should then be reported to hostmaster of the s

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH v2] systemctl: introduce --now for enable, disable and mask

2015-05-15 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/15/2015 07:54 AM, jsyna...@redhat.com wrote: From: Jan Synacek --- changes in v2: * simplified creation of new arguments (replaced unnecessary dynamic allocation with a VLA) * renamed add_file_change to unit_file_add_changes * addressed wording issues in documentation Hmm is the u

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH v2] systemctl: introduce --now for enable, disable and mask

2015-05-16 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/15/2015 09:51 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: But anyway, this is certainly a matter of taste... Or cause for confusion. I asked an noob to run systemctl enable --now and he immediately asked back if he ran systemctl enable if it would not be enabled "immediately" so "--now" seems to

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] tmpfiles: don't create subvolumes in chroot

2015-05-21 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/21/2015 03:19 PM, Colin Walters wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Martin Pitt wrote: IMHO subvolumes, like hard disk partitions, are something that the administrator of a host should create deliberately only. Automatically created ones just create confusion about "why the heck can

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 1/2] systemctl: Don't skip native units when enabling/disabling SysV init.d scripts

2015-05-27 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/27/2015 01:07 PM, Martin Pitt wrote: Hello, as discussed in the "get some distro patches upstream" thread, this is the generalization for supporting different chkconfig/update-rc.d/whatnot distro implementations of enabling init.d scripts, as per LSB specification. Is this not somethi

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 1/2] systemctl: Don't skip native units when enabling/disabling SysV init.d scripts

2015-05-28 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/27/2015 04:00 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 27.05.15 13:39, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: On 05/27/2015 01:07 PM, Martin Pitt wrote: Hello, as discussed in the "get some distro patches upstream" thread, this is the generalization for supporting

Re: [systemd-devel] Starting up service after my openvpn connection turns up

2015-06-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/01/2015 08:36 PM, Matthew Karas wrote: I am trying to start a dropbear service after my openvpn service starts up. --- [Unit] Description=SSH Per-Connection Server Wants=dropbearkey.service After=syslog.target dropbearkey.service Wants=openvpn@equipment.se

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Git development moved to github

2015-06-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/02/2015 11:06 AM, David Herrmann wrote: Regarding the final github address: David Strauss kindly offered the 'systemd' user to us. Hence, we hope to move the repository to github.com/systemd/systemd this week. Sorry for the confusion, I hope we can settle all this this week. Given that

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Git development moved to github

2015-06-02 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/02/2015 11:48 AM, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: On 2 June 2015 at 12:34, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 06/02/2015 11:06 AM, David Herrmann wrote: Regarding the final github address: David Strauss kindly offered the 'systemd' user to us. Hence, we hope to mo

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Git development moved to github

2015-06-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/09/2015 11:02 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 01.06.15 22:43, Michael Biebl (mbi...@gmail.com) wrote: 2015-06-01 20:12 GMT+02:00 David Herrmann : Hi As of today we've disabled git-push to fd.o. The official development git repository is now at github [1]. What about the bug tra

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Git development moved to github

2015-06-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/09/2015 11:57 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 06/09/2015 02:30 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: As of today we've disabled git-push to fd.o. The official development git repository is now at github [1]. What about the bug tracker? Will it remain at fdo's

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Git development moved to github

2015-06-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/09/2015 06:42 PM, David Timothy Strauss wrote: Let's just try the GitHub tracker. I like how it associates issues with pull requests and supports auto-linking for commit IDs, user names, and other issue numbers. Is there any serious use case for systemd upstream it doesn't support? What

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Git development moved to github

2015-06-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/09/2015 06:53 PM, Camilo Aguilar wrote: Oh please Jira no, it is too much and the user friendliness is highly arguable. Please do not top post and compared to bugzilla and the lack of proper oversight github and other issue tracker provide it's much better. JBG _

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Git development moved to github

2015-06-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/09/2015 06:42 PM, David Timothy Strauss wrote: Let's just try the GitHub tracker. I like how it associates issues with pull requests and supports auto-linking for commit IDs, user names, and other issue numbers. Is there any serious use case for systemd upstream it doesn't support? I ca

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Git development moved to github

2015-06-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/09/2015 07:50 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.06.15 11:30, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: I would like to see us move and migrated the bugs to jira ( which is without doubt the best and friendliest bug tracker I have found ) which integrates nicely with

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Git development moved to github

2015-06-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/09/2015 09:34 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.06.15 19:19, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: On 06/09/2015 06:42 PM, David Timothy Strauss wrote: Let's just try the GitHub tracker. I like how it associates issues with pull requests and supports auto-li

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Git development moved to github

2015-06-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/09/2015 09:44 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.06.15 21:11, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: We need to do proper QA to properly support and backup our downstream consumers ( distributions, embedded and otherwise) and that means tagging bugs by distributions

Re: [systemd-devel] Creating units using D-Bus

2015-06-10 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/09/2015 10:21 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.06.15 19:33, Jakub Skořepa (ja...@skorepa.info) wrote: Hello, My name is Jakub Skořepa and I'm working on Cockpit UI for Systemd Timers. For that I need to create and modify systemd unit files. Cockpit uses D -Bus for everything so

Re: [systemd-devel] Creating units using D-Bus

2015-06-10 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/10/2015 12:30 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: A good overview of what we're aiming to accomplish can be found here: h ttps://github.com/cockpit-project/cockpit/wiki/Feature:-Systemd -timers#stories Though at the end of the day, it might be fair to say that systemd timers are cool and very

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Git development moved to github

2015-06-10 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/10/2015 12:35 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 10.06.15 14:04, Martin Jansa (martin.ja...@gmail.com) wrote: WHat really surprises me about the whole discussion is that we cannot be the first ones running into this. Given the success of github this must be a common issue. And if it

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Git development moved to github

2015-06-10 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/10/2015 03:09 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 10.06.15 14:53, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: WHat really surprises me about the whole discussion is that we cannot be the first ones running into this. Given the success of github this must be a common issue. And

Re: [systemd-devel] Creating units using D-Bus

2015-06-10 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/10/2015 03:02 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: You make some good points Jóhann. It probably does make sense to focus (at least at first) on managing timer units shipped alongside services as opposed to trying to develop a UI for managing arbitrary timer units. I'll discuss this with some of

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Git development moved to github

2015-06-10 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/10/2015 04:35 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 10.06.15 16:20, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: >Without proper infrastructure ( or at least the wills to acquire such ) how >can you ( or any of us for that matter ) with a straight face advocate for >cons

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Git development moved to github

2015-06-10 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/10/2015 05:46 PM, Greg KH wrote: There's also no real need for it, I don't understand why you keep insisting there is given how well things have been working so far. I do understand and am aware of the complication ( legal and otherwise social aspect of it etc ) involved with bringing fu

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Git development moved to github

2015-06-10 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/10/2015 07:36 PM, Greg KH wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 07:04:17PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 06/10/2015 05:46 PM, Greg KH wrote: There's also no real need for it, I don't understand why you keep insisting there is given how well things have been w

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 06/29/2015 02:08 PM, jon wrote: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system I just installed debian 8.1, on the whole my reaction is mixed, one thing however really pisses me off more than any other "5.6.1. Stricter

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 06/29/2015 03:01 PM, jon wrote: On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 14:21 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 06/29/2015 02:08 PM, jon wrote: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system I just installed debian 8.1, on the

Re: [systemd-devel] Stricter handling of failing mounts during boot under systemd - crap idea !

2015-06-29 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 06/29/2015 04:17 PM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote: No. systemd changed interpretation of well established configurations in incompatible way. There is no way to retain existing behavior. It is far from "recommends" - it is "my way or highway". Not following which changed interpretation of well e

Re: [systemd-devel] amavis

2015-07-02 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 07/02/2015 02:04 PM, François Vocel wrote: Hello, I installed Kolab on CentOS 7. The amavis service will not start. There already is a bug report about this [1] but most common cause for amavisd not starting is the configuration files is misconfigured https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_b

Re: [systemd-devel] grant users access to certain services only

2015-08-21 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 08/20/2015 10:02 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 20.08.15 23:41, Michael Biebl (mbi...@gmail.com) wrote: Hi, say I wanted to grant an unprivileged userA the ability to systemctl start/stop/restart/reload foo.service and only grant this for foo.service. Is there a way to achieve tha

Re: [systemd-devel] A few GitHub team changes

2015-10-14 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 10/13/2015 07:07 PM, David Timothy Strauss wrote: entire members What makes up that members list [1] in the first place? https://github.com/orgs/systemd/people ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freed

Re: [systemd-devel] [packaging] split of systemd package

2015-11-11 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 11/11/2015 10:47 AM, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: Hi, During systemd.conf we have discussed some recommendation for downstreams, how they could split systemd to subpackages, so lets continue that discussion here. I thought the conscious was not recommending downstream to split systemd into subpac

Re: [systemd-devel] [packaging] split of systemd package

2015-11-11 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 11/11/2015 10:57 AM, Michal Sekletar wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: I thought the conscious was not recommending downstream to split systemd into subpackages? This decision was recently (at systemd.conf) reevaluated :) Not everybody can attend

Re: [systemd-devel] [packaging] split of systemd package

2015-11-11 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 11/11/2015 11:58 AM, Martin Pitt wrote: However, is this even a topic for upstream, I would argue not. I would argue that this is a downstream collaboration matter in which a) the split should be the same regardless of distribution and the sub components should be split in same manner acr

Re: [systemd-devel] [packaging] split of systemd package

2015-11-11 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 11/11/2015 01:12 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: 2015-11-11 12:58 GMT+01:00 Martin Pitt : Hello all, in case it's useful, this is how we split them in Debian. However, is this even a topic for upstream, apart from giving recommendations? I. e. do you actually consider putting this kind of split

Re: [systemd-devel] Detect if a script runs during bootup

2015-11-11 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 11/11/2015 03:39 PM, Frank Steiner wrote: If I was able to work with systemd unit files, I could perfectly do what I want, but I'm stuck with this LSB file. Why are you stuck with that lsb file and what exactly does it do? ( Paste the content of it ) JBG ___

Re: [systemd-devel] [packaging] split of systemd package

2015-11-11 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 11/11/2015 03:51 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Why not systemd-devel? Because these aren't development related discussion and there is a need for separated collaborated git repository to prevent duplication of downstream work etc. JBG __

Re: [systemd-devel] [packaging] split of systemd package

2015-11-11 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 11/11/2015 04:04 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.11.2015 um 17:03 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 11/11/2015 03:51 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Why not systemd-devel? Because these aren't development related discussion this list was multiple times statet also as

Re: [systemd-devel] [packaging] split of systemd package

2015-11-11 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 11/11/2015 08:28 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: 2015-11-11 21:21 GMT+01:00 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson : [snip] To coordinate and oversee and collectively share work done between distribution integrating the relevant components in their distribution. And now you started an unrelated meta-discussion

Re: [systemd-devel] [packaging] split of systemd package

2015-11-11 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 11/11/2015 08:38 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.11.2015 um 21:21 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 11/11/2015 04:04 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.11.2015 um 17:03 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 11/11/2015 03:51 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Why not systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] RFC: Setting TasksMax= by default

2015-11-13 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 11/13/2015 01:49 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: Heya! So, I am tempted to make the following changes to systemd, and was wondering about opinions about it: a) The first change is rather uncontroversial I presume: I'd like to set DefaultTasksAccounting=yes in system.conf by default. This

Re: [systemd-devel] Query regarding "EnvironmentFile"

2015-12-10 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 12/09/2015 07:46 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: I probably should never have added EnvironmentFile= in the first place. Packagers misunderstand that unit files are subject to admin configuration and should be treated as such, and that spliting out configuration of unit files into separate Envir

Re: [systemd-devel] Query regarding "EnvironmentFile"

2015-12-10 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 12/10/2015 03:20 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 10.12.2015 um 15:46 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: If you are unaware of any other use case for it EnvironmentFile=-/etc/sysconfig/httpd ExecStart=/usr/sbin/httpd $OPTIONS -D FOREGROUND [root@testserver:~]$ cat /etc/sysconfig/httpd OPTIONS

Re: [systemd-devel] Query regarding "EnvironmentFile"

2015-12-11 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 12/11/2015 03:56 AM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote: 10.12.2015 18:44, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson пишет: On 12/10/2015 03:20 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 10.12.2015 um 15:46 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: Care to show example how it should be done from your point of view? So that they can actully be

Re: [systemd-devel] Query regarding "EnvironmentFile"

2015-12-21 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 12/18/2015 04:00 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: 2015-12-09 20:46 GMT+01:00 Lennart Poettering : On Wed, 09.12.15 18:27, Soumya Koduri (skod...@redhat.com) wrote: Hi, I have created a systemd.unit(nfs-ganesha.service) file as below : [Unit] After=nfs-ganesha-config.service Requires=nfs-ganesh

Re: [systemd-devel] Query regarding "EnvironmentFile"

2015-12-21 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 12/21/2015 01:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 21.12.2015 um 12:40 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: ExecStart=/usr/sbin/foobard $OPTS and then tell admin to use systemctl edit [Unit] Environment=OPTS=-baz bonus points if we could standardise the $OPTS var name across daemons. Then distros

Re: [systemd-devel] Query regarding "EnvironmentFile"

2015-12-21 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 12/21/2015 01:30 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: ExecStart=/path/to/daemon FOO would cut you from distro-changes in other params and explained abvoe sooner or later lead in failing and could even be security relevant depending on new options or removed options in the distro-unit You do realize

Re: [systemd-devel] Query regarding "EnvironmentFile"

2015-12-21 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 12/21/2015 03:17 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: The benefit of that instead of having to override the complete ExecStart line should be obvious and has already be mentioned in this very thread. No what's obvious is it does not add any value not et all and not all daemons and service support add

Re: [systemd-devel] Query regarding "EnvironmentFile"

2015-12-21 Thread Jóhann B . Guðmundsson
On 12/21/2015 02:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: and since you say this what is your business for taking "EnvironmentFile" away from administrators area - my config, take your hands from it instead propose to break it - nobody cares if you would something do in a different way as long you are n

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