Le mardi 16 juillet 2013 à 17:59 +0100, Colin Guthrie a écrit :
'Twas brillig, and Kay Sievers at 16/07/13 17:24 did gyre and gimble:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Lennart Poettering
lenn...@poettering.net wrote:
Hmm, I'd like such an automatism, but I'd really prefer if we could come
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:50 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote:
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 02:51:09AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
[snip repoquery magic]
This means: ~81% of the packages have been converted from sysv to
systemd. And ~10% of the converted packages make
On 07/18/2013 12:51 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Fedora is not completely converted, but here are some stats.
$ repoquery --whatprovides '/etc/rc.d/init.d/*' --qf %{name} | sort -u |
egrep -v '(-sysvinit|-initscript|-sysv)$' | wc -l
139
Well even that number is not accurate
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 07:41:08PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/16/2013 07:34 PM, Kay Sievers wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/16/2013 06:26 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
I discussed this a bit more with Kay on the
On 07/16/2013 09:28 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/16/2013 06:26 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
I discussed this a bit more with Kay on the phone. Here's what we'd propose:
I'd be very conservative regarding adding full tmpfiles support into
unit files directly. Instead, I'd suggest
2013/7/16 Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net:
I'd be very conservative regarding adding full tmpfiles support into
unit files directly. Instead, I'd suggest adding two very minimal, very
specific new unit file settings:
RuntimeDirectory=
RuntimeDirectoyMode=
If RuntimeDirectory= is
2013/7/17 Harald Hoyer harald.ho...@gmail.com:
If RuntimeDirectory would support variable substitutions, this feature could
not
be provided with systemd-tmpfiles.
That would indeed be a nice feature.
--
Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the
universe are
2013/7/17 Michael Biebl mbi...@gmail.com:
If this scheme is not flexible enough to cover the vast majority of
all cases (for services), then I fear we'd end up half of the services
using RuntimeDirectory, the other half a tmpfile. And that imho would
be even more confusing.
Could we have some
On Wed, 17.07.13 06:56, Andrey Borzenkov (arvidj...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Tue, 16.07.13 18:53, Lennart Poettering (lenn...@poettering.net) wrote:
I'd be very conservative regarding adding full tmpfiles support into
unit files directly. Instead, I'd suggest adding two very minimal, very
On Wed, 17.07.13 11:24, Michael Biebl (mbi...@gmail.com) wrote:
2013/7/17 Michael Biebl mbi...@gmail.com:
If this scheme is not flexible enough to cover the vast majority of
all cases (for services), then I fear we'd end up half of the services
using RuntimeDirectory, the other half a
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 02:51:09AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
[snip repoquery magic]
This means: ~81% of the packages have been converted from sysv to
systemd. And ~10% of the converted packages make use of tmpfiles.
Now, my rpm/yum-fu is a bit too limited to easily figure out what
'Twas brillig, and Michael Biebl at 16/07/13 02:24 did gyre and gimble:
Hi,
an interesting issue was raised as part of reviewing a patch for
iodione [1], a system service which needs a runtime directory. We
thought this might need further dicussion, so reposting the issue to
systemd-devel:
Hi Michael,
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Michael Biebl mbi...@gmail.com wrote:
an interesting issue was raised as part of reviewing a patch for
iodione [1], a system service which needs a runtime directory. We
thought this might need further dicussion, so reposting the issue to
'Twas brillig, and Lennart Poettering at 16/07/13 16:00 did gyre and gimble:
Something I'd love to see though is if we could make it easier to apply
tmpfiles stuff automatically on package installation. More specifically,
I'd like an RPM macro to be added that handles this, and which is
On Tue, 16.07.13 16:50, Colin Guthrie (gm...@colin.guthr.ie) wrote:
3. Finally I settled on:
%_tmpfilesdir /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d
%_tmpfilescreate() /usr/bin/systemd-tmpfiles --create %{1}.conf \
%{nil}
This looks pretty close to what I'd like to see in place. Note that
%_tmpfilesdir is
'Twas brillig, and Lennart Poettering at 16/07/13 17:01 did gyre and gimble:
Anyway, does that RPM macro sound good to you?
Sure, seems close enough :)
I can do a mass update to all our packages anyway so the slight change
in syntax isn't a problem.
Col
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Colin Guthrie
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Lennart Poettering
lenn...@poettering.net wrote:
Hmm, I'd like such an automatism, but I'd really prefer if we could come
up with some scheme to automatically determine all tmpfiles snippets in
the package and apply them all automatically. But I am not sure how
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 05:08:12PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Lennart Poettering at 16/07/13 17:01 did gyre and gimble:
Anyway, does that RPM macro sound good to you?
Sure, seems close enough :)
I can do a mass update to all our packages anyway so the slight change
in
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote:
Hm, can we take a step back for a moment? It seems that the rpm macros
are a fairly complicated solution, and they also don't carry over into
debian or arch. User mode sessions also will not work with rpm
On Tue, 16.07.13 18:24, Kay Sievers (k...@vrfy.org) wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Lennart Poettering
lenn...@poettering.net wrote:
Hmm, I'd like such an automatism, but I'd really prefer if we could come
up with some scheme to automatically determine all tmpfiles snippets in
On Tue, 16.07.13 17:08, Colin Guthrie (gm...@colin.guthr.ie) wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Lennart Poettering at 16/07/13 17:01 did gyre and gimble:
Anyway, does that RPM macro sound good to you?
Sure, seems close enough :)
I can do a mass update to all our packages anyway so the slight
On Tue, 16.07.13 18:34, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 05:08:12PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Lennart Poettering at 16/07/13 17:01 did gyre and gimble:
Anyway, does that RPM macro sound good to you?
Sure, seems close
'Twas brillig, and Kay Sievers at 16/07/13 17:24 did gyre and gimble:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Lennart Poettering
lenn...@poettering.net wrote:
Hmm, I'd like such an automatism, but I'd really prefer if we could come
up with some scheme to automatically determine all tmpfiles
On 07/16/2013 04:53 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On my (pretty much fully converted) Fedora I currently have 20 tmpfiles
snippets around. I doubt on an everage Debian machine this would grow
much larger. May 40 or so, but that's still not much.
Well we have only migrated what 400 components
On Tue, 16.07.13 18:53, Lennart Poettering (lenn...@poettering.net) wrote:
I can do a mass update to all our packages anyway so the slight change
in syntax isn't a problem.
Hm, can we take a step back for a moment? It seems that the rpm macros
are a fairly complicated solution, and they
On Tue, 16.07.13 17:59, Colin Guthrie (co...@mageia.org) wrote:
'Twas brillig, and Kay Sievers at 16/07/13 17:24 did gyre and gimble:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Lennart Poettering
lenn...@poettering.net wrote:
Hmm, I'd like such an automatism, but I'd really prefer if we could
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 08:26:23PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Tue, 16.07.13 18:53, Lennart Poettering (lenn...@poettering.net) wrote:
I can do a mass update to all our packages anyway so the slight change
in syntax isn't a problem.
Hm, can we take a step back for a moment?
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote:
If RuntimeDirectory= is set we'd create it and chown() it to the UID/GID
set with User= and Group=. We'd apply the mode specified in
RuntimeDirectoryMode= to it.
There are daemons which do, in order:
1) start as
On 07/16/2013 06:26 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
I discussed this a bit more with Kay on the phone. Here's what we'd propose:
I'd be very conservative regarding adding full tmpfiles support into
unit files directly. Instead, I'd suggest adding two very minimal, very
specific new unit file
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 07:28:12PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 07/16/2013 06:26 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
I discussed this a bit more with Kay on the phone. Here's what we'd propose:
I'd be very conservative regarding adding full tmpfiles support into
unit files directly.
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/16/2013 06:26 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
I discussed this a bit more with Kay on the phone. Here's what we'd
propose:
I'd be very conservative regarding adding full tmpfiles support into
unit files
On 07/16/2013 07:34 PM, Kay Sievers wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/16/2013 06:26 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
I discussed this a bit more with Kay on the phone. Here's what we'd
propose:
I'd be very conservative regarding adding
2013/7/16 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 05:08:12PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
I am not too concerned about unused runtime directories. After all this
is not something that would (or even could) grow without bounds. There
will never be more than O(n)
And to follow up on that:
2013/7/16 Michael Biebl mbi...@gmail.com:
I think it's even less of an issue for Debian, as we usually only
install stuff when needed and not in a disabled state.
So the unused directories in /run are something I don't expect to be
an issue for Debian.
As for
В Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:26:23 +0200
Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net пишет:
On Tue, 16.07.13 18:53, Lennart Poettering (lenn...@poettering.net) wrote:
I'd be very conservative regarding adding full tmpfiles support into
unit files directly. Instead, I'd suggest adding two very
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