Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

Some Fablabs also offer tool lending, although it is much more common to see in place use https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dhackerspace On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:42 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > In California, several cities have a community “Tool Library”, a type of > lending

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

Highway=road and building=yes are used when adding features based on satellite imagery. If you know that a shop sells “food”, you can also say if it sells fresh food or nonperishables or prepared food, no? On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:42 PM Daniel Koć wrote: > W dniu 11.10.2018 o 05:08, John

Re: [Tagging] Arboretum - how to tag?

On 11/10/18 01:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 10. Oct 2018, at 15:10, Tobias Zwick > wrote: Well, an Arboretum is a "botanical tree garden", is it not? So why not leisure=garden (+ maybe additional tags, see wiki article)? if it is seen

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

W dniu 11.10.2018 o 05:08, John Willis pisze: > the definition of shop=food is way way way to vague to have meaning. > it needs to be much narrower.  > > it is like shop=goods. we don’t need that either.  It's much more precise than shop=yes (which is used a lot) and I know what food is, even if

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

the definition of shop=food is way way way to vague to have meaning. it needs to be much narrower. it is like shop=goods. we don’t need that either. > On Oct 11, 2018, at 1:10 AM, Jmapb wrote: > > > Amen! I wrote a whole spiel about this on the wiki talk page for shop=deli >

Re: [Tagging] Traffic_sign discussion

> > Tagging is for discussing the development and meaning of tags. > So this list is about the meaning but has no power or decision about how to apply the decisions about we write here? Is it correct? yopaseopor ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

In California, several cities have a community “Tool Library”, a type of lending “library” where you can check out hand tools and power tools for garden or construction projects. I believe the ones in Portland and Berkeley have no fee, and rely on volunteer labor. On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 6:13 AM

Re: [Tagging] Dispensing vs vending (Was: Combined waste/recycling bins)

You should create a wiki page for your extension proposal and perhaps submit an RFC. It is also displayed in the red banner here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddog_bin Some more references: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:vending%3Dexcrement_bags

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 06:49, Paul Allen wrote: > > I'd go with amenity=toy_library and the sub-tags, or maybe not even bother > with the sub-tags. > Not arguing!, but going back to my question about Family History libraries, I wonder whether a lot of the confusion about "what's in this

Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins

Just a reminder, that a bus stop which has a waste_basket, shelter and bench should be mapped as a single node with the respective tags added (bin, shelter, bench=*): https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbus_stop On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 8:12 PM SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > On Wed, 10

Re: [Tagging] simply documenting tags WAS Re: hydrants

On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 09:39, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Map feature pages are for the documentation of established tags, I hope we > can agree on this? > > IMHO we should clarify that documenting ad hoc tags in the wiki (link above) > means either putting this documentation in your user

Re: [Tagging] Traffic_sign discussion

sent from a phone > On 10. Oct 2018, at 21:22, yo paseopor wrote: > > But I have to say I'm sorry for the misunderstanding of what a consensus is > in a tagging list... but What is a consensus in this list? actually the automated edits (which explicitly includes search and replace with

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 9:37 PM SelfishSeahorse wrote: > AFAIK ludothèques are just called 'toy libraries' in English. > Looks like it. Although I only learned of my local toy library less than a year ago and had no idea such things existed prior to that. I see the French came up with a more

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 9:13 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > On 10. Oct 2018, at 20:01, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > The rendering tools > > can be changed to accommodate this but, as I understand it, such changes > may greatly > > increase the processing time to render map tiles whether or not

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

Here's the proposal wiki page (I hope I did it correctly): https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/toy_and_game_library I'll polish it tomorrow. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:12 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > > On 10.

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

sent from a phone > On 10. Oct 2018, at 20:01, Paul Allen wrote: > > The rendering tools > can be changed to accommodate this but, as I understand it, such changes may > greatly > increase the processing time to render map tiles whether or not they contain > a library. not true. It makes

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

sent from a phone > On 10. Oct 2018, at 19:11, Marc Gemis wrote: > > When I read the Wikipedia text on the osm wiki, it seems that you can > consider a car rental place as a library. This does not match the definition > of the Dutch word bibliotheek which restricts it to books and . They

Re: [Tagging] simply documenting tags WAS Re: hydrants

sent from a phone > On 10. Oct 2018, at 18:25, bkil wrote: > > The main tag wiki pages are > cross linked from taginfo. you could make a proposal and link the key/tag page via redirect, afaik taginfo follows those redirects Cheers, Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] Traffic_sign discussion

I will explain the things from my point of view. There was a discussion about direction in traffic signs because a problem in major online editor iD. 32 messages that starts Fri, Sep 28, 4:52 AM (12 days ago) and finnish Oct 3, 2018, 12:04 AM (7 days ago) . Five days of discussion. -In the

Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:12 PM SelfishSeahorse wrote: It would be nice if openstreetmap-carto would offer more zoom (at > least zoom level 20). There are also bus stops hidden by shelters or > shops hidden by other shops ... Not practicable with the current tile-based rendering (unless you'd

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:10 PM bkil wrote: > > We could decompose the functions of a library as a repository and > rental/lending for books and other media, usually operating on a > monthly subscription model, sometimes sponsored by local authorities. > That would be a sensible way to do it.

Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins

On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 19:46, Paul Allen wrote: > > If I do it as one node or a single area, that is about the best that can be > done with existing > tags. The problem is it will get the icon for a waste bin, with no > indication it's also for > recycling. Fine if you use the query tool, but

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

Indeed, the Hungarian word for library ("könyvtár") can be literally translated as "book repository". We could decompose the functions of a library as a repository and rental/lending for books and other media, usually operating on a monthly subscription model, sometimes sponsored by local

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 6:12 PM Marc Gemis wrote: > Yes, that is the process that you should follow. Please keep in mind the > it is easier to introduce a new tag than to redefine one. Requiring that > all current amenity=library have to be updated with a subtags library= book > will likely

[Tagging] Dispensing vs vending (Was: Combined waste/recycling bins)

On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 00:50, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 9. Oct 2018, at 21:19, bkil wrote: > > > > amenity=waste_basket > > waste=dog_excrement > > vending=excrement_bags > > > > I've also seen waste_basket:excrement_bags=yes and fee=no, but I don't > > see much value in these at this

Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 6:30 PM SelfishSeahorse wrote: > What about > > amenity=waste_basket > recycling:cans=yes > recycling:paper=yes > recycling:plastic=yes > If I do it as one node or a single area, that is about the best that can be done with existing tags. The problem is it will get the

Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 16:32, Paul Allen wrote: > > A village a few miles from me (but in a different county) recently got one of > these combined litter/recycling bins: > https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2241627292737699=1632021387031629&__tn__=C-R > > How to tag? What about

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

Yes, that is the process that you should follow. Please keep in mind the it is easier to introduce a new tag than to redefine one. Requiring that all current amenity=library have to be updated with a subtags library= book will likely get some comments. When I read the Wikipedia text on the osm

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

Just found out about the proposal process: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process. Should I create a wiki page and follow the steps there? ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 4:24 PM, ChameleonScales wrote: > > --- You only send this to me (probably

Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins

Not sure, I'm only browsing taginfo and found this to be the most common tagging. On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:50 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > > > On 9. Oct 2018, at 21:19, bkil wrote: > > > > amenity=waste_basket > > waste=dog_excrement > > vending=excrement_bags > >

Re: [Tagging] simply documenting tags WAS Re: hydrants

I agree that similar to Wikipedia, we shouldn't put random, incorrect or misleading stuff in the main namespace of the OSM wiki. However, I view it as a harsh restriction to only allow documenting of established tags the the main namespace. The main tag wiki pages are cross linked from taginfo.

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

On 10/10/2018 6:14 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: shop=food. This tag has not yet been approved Approved by whom? I approved it yesterday! Those should be 1. shop=deli, Have you done a survey? Adding "Deli" to a shop name does not make it a delicatessen. Amen! I wrote a whole spiel about this on

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

Then there's also https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ashop%3Dnutrition_supplements depending on main profile On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:17 PM Andy Mabbett wrote: > > On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 03:33, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > [...] > > shop=food. This tag has not yet been approved > >

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

> --- You only send this to me (probably by accident). --- Indeed, fixed. > we do not want data consumers that does not understand the library-subkey to > treat a toys_and_games as a book-library. That's partly why I proposed to rewrite the definition of the library tag and make it

Re: [Tagging] Arboretum - how to tag?

sent from a phone > On 10. Oct 2018, at 15:10, Tobias Zwick wrote: > > Well, an Arboretum is a "botanical tree garden", is it not? So why not > leisure=garden (+ maybe additional tags, see wiki article)? if it is seen as garden, I would use garden:type=arboretum From actual usage, the only

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

--- You only send this to me (probably by accident). --- AFAIK, we do not use a colon in the values. If you want to indicate a subcategory, it goes in a subkey. so amenity=library;library=toys_and_games But in this case we do not want data consumers that does not understand the library-subkey

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

> 2: Having been a toy & game librarian, I can say that these establishments > are already suffering the misconception that they are only there for > children, so reducing their name to "toy libraries" would hardly make it > better. If we used french language there would be nothing to argue

Re: [Tagging] Arboretum - how to tag?

Well, an Arboretum is a "botanical tree garden", is it not? So why not leisure=garden (+ maybe additional tags, see wiki article)? On 10/10/2018 11:47, Warin wrote: > Hi > > I have an arboretum, Way: Arboretum (628753725), that is part of a > nature reserve and within a tree covered area. I

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

Thanks for your response. I have 2 problems with this: 1: Although the OSM wiki [acknowledged](https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=library) the broadness of the word "library" according to Wikipedia, it still focused [the tag

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local networks

Hi, Le mer. 10 oct. 2018 à 01:09, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : > Massive job, thanks Francois! :-) > > Question for you pleasse. > You're welcome > Following on from the discussion re towers & masts, I've just mapped a > couple of mobile phone towers. > > What should we call the base station

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local networks

In this proposal we use "telecom" key, but i would like to know what is the limit/definition of this key ? Does it englobe internet provider, tv provider and mobile provider (even if the company does only one of them which is rarer today) ? Or only some of those ? My question come from the wiki

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 03:33, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > [...] > shop=food. This tag has not yet been approved Approved by whom? > I checked overpass turbo in London, New York, and San Franciso. The > latter had no uses; London has the most. The first few shop=food on > the list are > > 1.

[Tagging] Arboretum - how to tag?

Hi I have an arboretum, Way: Arboretum (628753725), that is part of a nature reserve and within a tree covered area. I assume that there is more than one species of tree. How to correctly tag it? At the moment it has landuse=yes (what brought it to my attention) name=Arboretum Clearly

[Tagging] simply documenting tags WAS Re: hydrants

sent from a phone > On 10. Oct 2018, at 08:07, bkil wrote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_Practice#Document_your_custom-tags I believe this paragraph needs some clarification, currently it reads “When you use tags yourself that aren't on map features, give other mappers a

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

On 10/10/18 09:47, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 08:04, Paul Allen > wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:24 PM ChameleonScales mailto:chameleonsca...@protonmail.com>> wrote: amenity:library=game_and_toy When I added one of

Re: [Tagging] hydrants

Yes, it was me who added that key to the wiki page, because it was mentioned in one of our Hungarian documents some years ago and also I wanted to use it. I admit to my error in not noticing the latest proposals earlier. I've just recently joined this list and I've specifically asked this here in