Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-23 Thread Tod Fitch
Being a Sierra Club member in California, it seems to me that the Yosemite Decimal System (YDS) [1], originally created by the Sierra Club is made to order for this. Classes 1 through 3 are basically hiking, 4 is transitional and 5 is technical climbing. My understanding having been exposed to

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-23 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 9:11 PM Tod Fitch wrote: > > Being a Sierra Club member in California, it seems to me that the Yosemite > Decimal System (YDS) [1], originally created by the Sierra Club is made to > order for this. Classes 1 through 3 are basically hiking, 4 is transitional > and 5 is

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-23 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 11:11, Tod Fitch wrote: > Being a Sierra Club member in California, it seems to me that the Yosemite > Decimal System (YDS) [1], originally created by the Sierra Club is made to > order for this. Classes 1 through 3 are basically hiking, 4 is transitional > and 5 is

Re: [Tagging] Adding values healthcare=dispensary and healthcare=community_care?

2020-05-23 Thread Claire Halleux
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 6:10 PM Mario Frasca wrote: > > in reality, I wish we could review the whole setting. and have > `amenity=healthcare` followed by `healthcare=*` to specify further. > > I find the whole repetition confusing, and quite error prone. > Agreed. Although, I'm not even sure if

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-23 Thread brad
On 5/23/20 5:59 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 5:42 PM John Willis via Tagging wrote: =path is such a horrible catch-all tag and one that is extremely entrenched - I am surprised no one has implemented a path=trail subtag, similar to sidewalk, so we can separate all the

Re: [Tagging] Adding values healthcare=dispensary and healthcare=community_care?

2020-05-23 Thread Claire Halleux
@Dolly, Since the referral health centers (centres de santé de référence) are supposed to have at least one doctor in the DRC, they have mainly been mapped with amenity=doctors. Actually the same tag has also often been used to map even the more "basic" health centers without doctors. This could

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-23 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Sat, 23 May 2020 at 15:53, Tomas Straupis wrote: > 2020-05-23, št, 04:51 Jarek Piórkowski rašė: > > See also: not rendering roads or hamlets in very sparsely populated > > areas because we have one map style which needs to accommodate central > > European densities. > > OSM-Carto is a very

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-23 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 07:42, John Willis via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > =path is such a horrible catch-all tag and one that is extremely > entrenched - I am surprised no one has implemented a path=trail subtag, > similar to sidewalk, so we can separate all the hiking trails

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-23 Thread Warin
I tag for the use of the 'path/road/etc'. If it is for a walker then I tag the width for the walker, usually this is the width at ground level but there are ones where the smaller width is at hip level (rocks) so I tag the width there. A width of 0.3 me3ans I have to remove my pack and push it

Re: [Tagging] Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Name of a route, if one exists. May 23, 2020, 18:17 by winfi...@gmail.com: > In the end, what will be left in the name tag exactly? > > Polyglot > > On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 5:53 PM Peter Elderson <> pelder...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> I am trying to improve on the name-tag mess in the many

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-23 Thread Warin
As it is the minimum width that will limit passage, I would prefer to see the minimum with tagged not the average width. On 23/5/20 3:23 am, Daniel Westergren wrote: In the short term, it's okay to tag an estimated, average width. If it's 1 to 0.3 meters, use 0.5 - this still shows a

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-23 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 5:42 PM John Willis via Tagging wrote: > > =path is such a horrible catch-all tag and one that is extremely entrenched - > I am surprised no one has implemented a path=trail subtag, similar to > sidewalk, so we can separate all the hiking trails and other “hiking” paths,

Re: [Tagging] Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Tod Fitch
I was under the impression that the consensus was that a route name should be in a route relation that holds all the segments and that the segment names, if different from the route name, were on the segment. Has that consensus changed or has my impression been wrong? Cheers! Tod > On May 23,

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-23 Thread John Willis via Tagging
=path is such a horrible catch-all tag and one that is extremely entrenched - I am surprised no one has implemented a path=trail subtag, similar to sidewalk, so we can separate all the hiking trails and other “hiking” paths, and then apply different hiking limitations you wouldn’t expect to

Re: [Tagging] track vs footway, cycleway, bridleway or path

2020-05-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 23, 2020, 20:41 by kevin.b.ke...@gmail.com: > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 4:31 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > >> It is extremely rare - if there is single access road to a private residence >> then it is a driveway no matter whatever it is paved asphalt road or >> something that

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Peter Elderson
YM routes tagged as superroute? Or all routes with relation members? Peter Elderson Op za 23 mei 2020 om 21:08 schreef Jo : > By the way, superroute relations in JOSM now show continuity correctly if > the last node of the last way is the same as the first node of the first > way in two

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Peter Elderson
The refs for the routes I check are sparse, but they are signed here and there. The legs/sections have the same ref, e.g. LAW12, but nowhere on the streets can you find the section numbers. They are found on the official website and in the printed guides. Sometimes they were added to the ref, but

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Jo
By the way, superroute relations in JOSM now show continuity correctly if the last node of the last way is the same as the first node of the first way in two sequential route relations. (It was a feature request I made and someone developed it). Jo On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 8:47 PM Kevin Kenny

Re: [Tagging] [Tagging-fr] [Talk-ml] [Talk-sn] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-05-23 Thread Marc M.
Agree on what? That leisure=common needs a replacement ? Yes. that replacement must be different from what needs to be replaced ? it seems logical to me but some people think that replacing a depreciated tag by itself will solve the problems that led to its depreciation. Le 22.05.20 à 15:46,

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Kevin Kenny
> For now, I just want an alternative for the section/segment/leg numbers or > refs that are often in the name tag now. > They are there to get neat ordered lists in tools and applications. That > seems to work fine, but it abuses the name tag, which I am told is a problem > for searching

Re: [Tagging] Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Peter Elderson
True, this route relation business tends to get more complicated all the time, because the reality is getting more complex all the time. But, with care, a lot can be done. Consistent tagging, and nudging exceptions back to the mainstream, will help applications and tools developers to adapt,

Re: [Tagging] track vs footway, cycleway, bridleway or path

2020-05-23 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 4:31 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > It is extremely rare - if there is single access road to a private residence > then it is a driveway no matter whatever it is paved asphalt road or > something that requires tractor to pass. > > Maybe it would matter in case

[Tagging] Fwd: Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Peter Elderson
For now, I just want an alternative for the section/segment/leg numbers or refs that are often in the name tag now. They are there to get neat ordered lists in tools and applications. That seems to work fine, but it abuses the name tag, which I am told is a problem for searching routines. A name

Re: [Tagging] Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 1:46 PM Yves wrote: > While the original question was about a good tag to record the section > number, whick look like a reference, I would be tempted to answer Jo that to > know which country you're in, you should look at Your OSM Database! > Joke aside, such a cross

Re: [Tagging] Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Jo
oh, I'm mapping public transport too much. I actually did mean to write superroute. Jo On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 7:44 PM Yves wrote: > While the original question was about a good tag to record the section > number, whick look like a reference, I would be tempted to answer Jo that > to know

Re: [Tagging] Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Yves
While the original question was about a good tag to record the section number, whick look like a reference, I would be tempted to answer Jo that to know which country you're in, you should look at Your OSM Database! Joke aside, such a cross border route makes a good candidate for a super route.

Re: [Tagging] Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Jo
I would say the route name goes on the routemaster relation. That way it's possible to differentiate in the names of the route relations and make them more specific. That's probably not what Peter is proposing though. Jo On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 7:40 PM Tod Fitch wrote: > I was under the

Re: [Tagging] Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Jo
So in the case of a route that passes through The Netherlands, Belgium and France, the part in The Netherlands and Flanders will have the same name (in Dutch)? And the parts in Wallonia and France will have the same name as well, but in French instead? No indication which country/region they are

Re: [Tagging] Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Peter Elderson
Hold on to your hat In the name tag I will store...The Name Of The Route! Op za 23 mei 2020 om 18:18 schreef Jo : > In the end, what will be left in the name tag exactly? > > Polyglot > > On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 5:53 PM Peter Elderson > wrote: > >> I am trying to improve on the name-tag

Re: [Tagging] Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Jo
In the end, what will be left in the name tag exactly? Polyglot On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 5:53 PM Peter Elderson wrote: > I am trying to improve on the name-tag mess in the many hiking/foot routes > in Nederland. All kinds of information is packed in those names. I am not > doing any cleaning

[Tagging] Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Peter Elderson
I am trying to improve on the name-tag mess in the many hiking/foot routes in Nederland. All kinds of information is packed in those names. I am not doing any cleaning (yet) until all this information can be stored in proper tags and is handled or scheduled by significant renderers/data

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - electric_bicycle and speed_pedelec

2020-05-23 Thread Jan Michel
The proposal for keywords for electric bicycles is now open for voting: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ElectricBicycles Thank you very much, people who participated in the discussion and Thank you very much in advance for adding your vote! Jan

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-23 Thread Tomas Straupis
> Very well put! If I understand correctly, to do this without heavy > pre-processing, > the information would have to be in the tags? > Would it have to be in the tags of every individual way, or would a tag on > an encompassing area (e.g. landuse=residential) be sufficient? Correct.

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-23 Thread Peter Elderson
Tomas Straupis: > 2020-05-23, št, 04:51 Jarek Piórkowski rašė: > > See also: not rendering roads or hamlets in very sparsely populated > > areas because we have one map style which needs to accommodate central > > European densities. > OSM-Carto is a very well done DATA VISUALISATION. It is