Re: [Tagging] Charging stations: socket::output -- which format for the value?

2019-07-30 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The tag socket::output has been used 5000 times, so I think it's best to describe existing usage on the wiki. The current usage is to tag the units, which are almost always kW: socket:type2:output has been used 3663 times, and the majority (>70%) are tagged with 22kW, 22 kW, 43kW and 11 kW - they

Re: [Tagging] Was public_transport=platform intended to always be combined with highway=bus_stop?

2019-07-30 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I got the information about the origin of the dispute about highway=bus_stop next to or on the way from this page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dbus_stop#Contradictions_in_the_wiki "In the early days of OSM, the bus stops were mapped beside the street simply because the p

Re: [Tagging] Was public_transport=platform intended to always be combined with highway=bus_stop?

2019-07-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
transit forum the PT schema has become so convoluted even > those who helped create it are baffled. At least one is advocating its > removal. > > It's time for the PT schema to be redacted. > > DaveF > > > > On 29/07/2019 15:29, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >> I

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of State Parks in the US

2019-07-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
-1 to a site relation for an area with a defined outer boundary. Relation = boundary (and =multipolygon) works fine for defining an area, and you can make holes to exclude at my “outparcels” or villages which are not part of the official protected area. Mappers don’t need to add things to relatio

Re: [Tagging] Are disused=yes and abandoned=yes deprecated by disused:key=value & abandoned:key=value?

2019-07-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Ok, it's clear that these tags are not deprecated. Are they "in use" then? According to https://taghistory.raifer.tech they've both increased in number by about 3500 features in the past 12 months. In comparison, disused:shop=* has been added about 3000 times in the same time period. On 7/29/19,

[Tagging] Was public_transport=platform intended to always be combined with highway=bus_stop?

2019-07-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I read up on the rather exhausting history of public transport tagging. The strange thing is that the approved proposal which introduced public_transport=* and the current public_transport pages suggest using bus=yes only for public_transport=stop_position. In contrast, public_transport=platform d

Re: [Tagging] Are disused=yes and abandoned=yes deprecated by disused:key=value & abandoned:key=value?

2019-07-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:abandoned=yes On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 9:07 PM Paul Allen wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 07:24, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: >> >> >> I see that there was just a mention added that landuse=quarry plus >> disused=yes might be more sensible

Re: [Tagging] Are disused=yes and abandoned=yes deprecated by disused:key=value & abandoned:key=value?

2019-07-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
>> By the way, it seems the wiki does not show "statuses" correctly for >> historic page revisions: it shows a status (the current one?) where there is >> none set in the template, and it shows statuses that haven't been in >> existence when the revision was published. > > This might be related

Re: [Tagging] Specific tag for Satellite Dishes

2019-07-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree; I spent a few minutes trying to improve the page a bit. However, I don't see much benefit from mapping private household satellite antennas: the dishes in the linked picture above are only 90 cm across, and they are on just about every house. Maybe there are more useful things to map in

Re: [Tagging] New page "Approval status" for "de facto", "in use", "approved" etc

2019-07-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
In Italy, are all of the trees with designation=natural_monument the officially protected ones, or are there others that are old or historic but not official? On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 6:29 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Mo., 29. Juli 2019 um 11:11 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenb

Re: [Tagging] New page "Approval status" for "de facto", "in use", "approved" etc

2019-07-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
gt; >> On 29. Jul 2019, at 08:13, Joseph Eisenberg >> wrote: >> >> Someone needs to check how denotation=cluster is >> actually used now days. > > > this tag was introduced through an automated edit many years ago with the > reasoning that natural=tree shoul

[Tagging] Are disused=yes and abandoned=yes deprecated by disused:key=value & abandoned:key=value?

2019-07-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I was going to fix the status of abandoned=yes which is currently incorrectly listed as "obsolete". I thought it was probably deprecated, since the wiki page was deleted when Key:abandoned:* (namespaced) was made in 2015, but it's still used 40,000 times. The key disused (mainly disused=yes) is al

Re: [Tagging] Specific tag for Satellite Dishes

2019-07-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I looked into this myself, back when I noticed that some large dishes were mistagged as radio telescopes. For huge communications dishes, there is tower:construction=dish to be used with man_made=tower and we even have a satellite-dish style rendering for this at Openstreetmap-carto, for some reas

Re: [Tagging] New page "Approval status" for "de facto", "in use", "approved" etc

2019-07-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
needs to check how denotation=cluster is actually used now days. Joseph On 7/29/19, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 29/07/19 15:26, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >> I've edited the page: >> >> 1) I reworded some of the helpful changes that Mateusz Konieczny

Re: [Tagging] New page "Approval status" for "de facto", "in use", "approved" etc

2019-07-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I've edited the page: 1) I reworded some of the helpful changes that Mateusz Konieczny just made, for better English style. 2) I've removed the implication that de facto / approved are "recommended" and that "deprecated" / "discardable" etc. are "not recommended". I also removed the suggestion t

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of State Parks in the US

2019-07-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
“how can a protected_AREA be anything but an area?” Right. Please don’t add area=yes to these features. This tag is only needed for features that can be either a linear feature OR an area, for example barrier=hedge. (Mapping large protected areas mapped as closed ways to relations of type=bounda

Re: [Tagging] New page "Approval status" for "de facto", "in use", "approved" etc

2019-07-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
at meet all 4 criteria are probably as good as the average "Approved" tag - Joseph On 7/28/19, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Sunday 28 July 2019, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >> >> Christoph, do you have any ideas about how we could be more inclusive >> and make it easier

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of State Parks in the US

2019-07-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
While admin_level is numeric, they numbers are already widely known, so it would be fine to reuse the tag admin_level=4 to specify the administrative level of a certain protected area, I think, especially if the operator=* is not the same. > 'strict_nature_reserve', 'wilderness_area', 'national_pa

Re: [Tagging] New page "Approval status" for "de facto", "in use", "approved" etc

2019-07-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I think Christoph brings up a very good point. If I understand correctly, he wasn't accusing the new page of saying "this is the right way to use statuses", since it just describes and explains how the current "status" feature is currently used. But rather, he was saying that by just describing t

Re: [Tagging] New page "Approval status" for "de facto", "in use", "approved" etc

2019-07-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Correction: obsolete is only used 6 times with tags and 0 keys at the moment, but "discardable" is also used with 7 keys in addition to 1 tag, so that's 8 times. The "discardable" status is clearly different from "deprecated" as you mentioned. >> Perhaps there should be a wiki page created that d

Re: [Tagging] New page "Approval status" for "de facto", "in use", "approved" etc

2019-07-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
orted since the proposal was just approved. Perhaps there should be a wiki page created that described the process for deprecating a tag and when to change the status? Joseph On 7/28/19, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> On 27. Jul 2019, at 16:19, Joseph Eisenberg >> wrote: >> Please tak

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of State Parks in the US

2019-07-27 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I didn’t realize that all of the protect_class>6 values were invented for osm. In that case, I see no reason to use any values for protect_class above 7. None of the higher values is used very frequently, and it’s impossible for me to remember which each one means, especially the values from 21 to

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of State Parks in the US

2019-07-27 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
12:10 AM Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > For your New York State park examples, protect_class=21 might be the > best option, so go ahead and add this tagging, in addition to tagging any > specific areas within that qualify as a leisure=park or nature_reserve > > > > But many

[Tagging] New page "Approval status" for "de facto", "in use", "approved" etc

2019-07-27 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Please take a minute to review the new page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Approval_status I've made this page, based on the existing list of definitions for the values of the "status" field in the ValueDescription and KeyDescription boxes - that's the word "approved", "rejected", "de facto",

Re: [Tagging] Tagging remain of extinct volcanoes

2019-07-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
It's fine that some training and knowledge is required to properly tag features in OSM. For example, it takes some experience or wiki research to learn the difference between natural=heath (dwarf shrubs) and natural=scrub (shurbland), or wetland=bog and wetland=marsh. However, a mapper who visits

Re: [Tagging] [Indoor] is indoor=level walled ?

2019-07-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Well a parking garage may not really be "indoor", but it's certainly "inside of a building" according to the database model, since the garage will be mapped as a building=* So what's important is how we may the lack of walls. I agree with the earlier suggestion by Tobias to add wall=no for clarit

[Tagging] Feature man_made=offshore_platform?

2019-07-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The feature man_made=offshore_platform was created as a wiki page and then added to Map features, apparently without discussion, at some point in the past. It didn't have a very complete wiki page, but it looks like this is mainly meant for offshore oil and gas drilling/production platforms - I've

Re: [Tagging] man_made=snow_net vs man_made=snow_fence vs barrier=fence?

2019-07-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Would you suggest removing both man_made=snow_net and man_made=snow_fence from the curated list in Map Features? Joseph On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 9:39 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I agree that these are likely always barriers and would be more consistently > tagged under the "barrier" key. A

[Tagging] man_made=snow_net vs man_made=snow_fence vs barrier=fence?

2019-07-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Two tags were added to the Map Features page a while back, but don't appear to have been discussed in a proposal. man_made=snow_fence is used for fences that help prevent avalanches in steep slopes with heavy snowfall. This tag has been used almost 3000 timeshttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - health_amenity:type

2019-07-25 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
MRI at least >> instead >> >> All the best >> >> François >> >> Le jeu. 11 juil. 2019 à 21:10, Mark Herringer a >> écrit : >> >>> The intention of the tag is to specify physical equipment >>> (health_amenity:type=MRI)

Re: [Tagging] Tagging remain of extinct volcanoes

2019-07-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
A natural=volcano is suppose to be a volcanic vent, usually found at the center of a crater. While it’s common to misuse this tag to mark the highest peak of a mountain of volcanic origin, it would be best to use it for the actual center of the volcanic vent, and use natural=peak for the high poin

[Tagging] Tag:waterway=tidal_channel is Approved!

2019-07-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The voting period has ended for Proposed_features/Tag:waterway=tidal_channel with 17 votes to approve and none in opposition. The wiki page for the approved feature is located at Tag:waterway=tidal_channel: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Dtidal_channel and I've added the tag to

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of State Parks in the US

2019-07-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Kevin, For your New York State park examples, protect_class=21 might be the best option, so go ahead and add this tagging, in addition to tagging any specific areas within that qualify as a leisure=park or nature_reserve But many State parks on the West Coast are similar to national parks, eg man

Re: [Tagging] Automated check cashing machines

2019-07-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Since there are check cashing shops (usually they also offer payday loans), amenity=check_cashing_machine would be more specific, for tagging a node with the precise location of the machine But if this tag will be added to another feature, like a shop=supermarket, a tag with the structure check_ca

Re: [Tagging] Reviewing wiki pages - Tag:landcover=greenery

2019-07-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I don’t usually map such small features; there are so many villages, roads and rivers still missing from Indonesia. But I wonder is leisure=garden is appropriate for “shrubbery” features, since it is also used for front yards and back yards of private homes, according to a recent thread? This woul

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tag:waterway=tidal_channel

2019-07-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
e of 2 weeks. > > > On 21/07/19 10:39, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Tomorrow 22-July-2019 is the last day to vote on waterway=tidal_channel > > > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:waterway%3Dtidal_channel#Voting > > > > On 7/18/19, Joseph

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tag:waterway=tidal_channel

2019-07-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Tomorrow 22-July-2019 is the last day to vote on waterway=tidal_channel https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:waterway%3Dtidal_channel#Voting On 7/18/19, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > 14 people have voted so far on waterway=tidal_channel - all in favor > > Voting contin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tag:waterway=tidal_channel

2019-07-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
14 people have voted so far on waterway=tidal_channel - all in favor Voting continues until the 22nd of July, 2019 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:waterway%3Dtidal_channel#Voting On 7/10/19, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 1:31 PM Joseph Eisenb

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Utility markers

2019-07-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
It looks like the main effect of this proposal would be to replace pipeline=marker (used 29k times) with marker=pipeline, though the new key marker= could also be used for power cables and telecommunications cables. Is it really necessary to change pipeline=marker? -Joseph On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tag:waterway=tidal_channel

2019-07-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
5 approval votes so far, none in opposition yet. I will be off the grid for the next week, but keep voting and I’ll respond to any comments next Thursday. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:waterway%3Dtidal_channel#Voting On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 1:31 PM Joseph Eisenberg

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Brad, re: https://www.dropbox.com/s/agj4njek1r35vnz/2018-10-03-13.06.54r.jpg?dl=0 This shows a track that cuts across a scree slope or alluvial fan of small boulders, cobbled and sand which appears to be eroded from the ridge above, in a mostly dry climate. It’s quite bumpy so a low-clearance sed

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tag:waterway=tidal_channel

2019-07-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Voting is now open for the proposed feature waterway=tidal_channel "A natural intertidal waterway in mangroves, salt marshes and tidal flats with water flow in the direction of the tide" https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:waterway=tidal_channel Please read the page, then a

Re: [Tagging] Test prep centres and cram schools as amenity=prep_school?

2019-07-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
eserve an amenity key. I'm willing to write up a proposal. Joseph On 7/7/19, Minh Nguyen wrote: > On 2019-07-06 14:20, marc marc wrote: >> Le 06.07.19 à 15:17, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : >>> provide after-school additional instruction >> >> why it isn't st

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
No. While tracktype= has some issues, smoothness= is more subjective and less generally useful. Surface= is very helpful and more objective, so it should be mentioned,but I believe it is already suggested on most of the minor highway, path and track pages. On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 10:24 AM brad w

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-07-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> status=de facto means it was in use before the tagging list made up the > approval process, and is generally accepted? The "De facto" is not only used for tags that were created before the approval process started. A number of more recent tags (post-2008) have status "de facto" and are listed on

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ained very often, if at all, erosion creates > hazards in the road also requiring 4wd or at least a very high clearance > vehicle. > > *"Tracktype* is a measure of how well-maintained a track or other minor > road is..." > > > On 7/6/19 6:21 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrot

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-07-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
From the talk page: >I propose to tackle the varying quality of this page in different languages by >changing Map >Features to a single multilingual page that outputs its text in the user’s >preferred interface >language. >The tag tables can be generated from Taginfo/Taglists. For the best resu

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I would think that an unimproved track across naturally solid rock or naturally well-compacted gravel would not be tracktype=grade5 - while it might be bumpy, it’s probably passable by any vehicke with sufficient clearance and tire size, even when wet, unlike a track of unimproved clay, silt or loa

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - waterway=tidal_channel

2019-07-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ersal of water flow direction. The wiki page for waterway=tidal_channel should mention that "tidal=yes" is implied. -Joseph > Other channels will have a lower level but won't be empty. > > Let me know how do you feel about this > > All the best > > François > &g

Re: [Tagging] New sections added to "Good Practice" page?

2019-07-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> ... we could use something like building=boat, > building=caravan or building=vehicle, but it is unfortunate that none > of these can be understood to be buildings in any sense of the word. building=static_caravan is common for mobile homes and caravans (aka trailers) which are semi-permanently

Re: [Tagging] Test prep centres and cram schools as amenity=prep_school?

2019-07-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
cilities that only provide preparation for certain tests, like Kaplan in the USA. Joseph On 7/5/19, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: > On 7/5/2019 2:16 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >> So, what's a better term for a test prep centre, cramp school, or >> tutoring office? There the rarely

Re: [Tagging] Use bbq=yes/no or barbecue_grill=yes/no with campsites?

2019-07-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: > basic picnic tables where you can provide your own mini grill It looks like we can propose "bring_own_bbq=yes" for that situation Re: > some fixed on a post grills Do you think this should be "bbq=yes" or "barbecue_grill=yes"? -Joseph On 7/6/19, Nita S. wrote: > One caravan park I am fa

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - waterway=tidal_channel

2019-07-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I'd like to vote on the proposal for waterway=tidal_channel soon If you haven't read the page yet, please check and add any comments or bring up any problems that might have been missed. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:waterway%3Dtidal_channel "Definition:A natural

Re: [Tagging] Christmas shop

2019-07-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
It’s fine to make up new values in the “shop” key, so “shop=christmas” would work: already used 14 times. I think party shops are different. On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 3:51 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Just mapping a Christmas shop https://christmasshack.com.au/, which, as > the name suggests!,

Re: [Tagging] one feature one element

2019-07-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
>> *"For example, use the feature leisure=picnic_site with the property >> tag drinking_water=yes, instead of using the separate feature tag >> amenity=drinking_water on the same node or area." >> >> This example is a bad idea and mappers shouldn't be encouraged to do >> so. amenity=drinking_water

Re: [Tagging] Use bbq=yes/no or barbecue_grill=yes/no with campsites?

2019-07-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
to specify the presence of a grill that can be used for bbq / grilling? On 7/6/19, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 06/07/19 02:28, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: >> On 7/5/2019 10:56 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >>> I don't think it would be necessary to combine &q

Re: [Tagging] Use bbq=yes/no or barbecue_grill=yes/no with campsites?

2019-07-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I don't think it would be necessary to combine "bbq=no" and "bring_own_bbq=yes" - if a feature such as a leisure=picnic_site is tagged "bring_own_bbq=yes" that is sufficient. The tag "bbq=no", like most tags with value "no", can be omitted. There might be times when there is "bbq=yes" and "bring_o

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I believe smoothness=* is very important in dry areas, including most of the western USA in summertime (when most people visit remote areas on track roads). But a road that is very smooth, dry clay in summer, for example an unimproved track across a dry lakebed, will become impassible mud after a

[Tagging] Test prep centres and cram schools as amenity=prep_school?

2019-07-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I followed a link from amenity=school to amenity=prep_school, which was only as stub with the text "Tutorial schools" and description="Tutor school". Taghistory shows it has been used since 2012, slowly increasing to a few hundred uses since 2018, but had no wiki page still March 2019. However, I

Re: [Tagging] one feature one element

2019-07-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
the best practice, because of this ambiguity. Users should not be encouraged to delete all single node objects within buildings without carefully considering each of the tags. Joseph On 7/5/19, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I agree that this page could be improved. Until now it hasn't

Re: [Tagging] one feature one element

2019-07-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree that this page could be improved. Until now it hasn't mentioned the problems with tagging multiple features on one database object. This can be difficult for database users, for example this comment at the Openstreetmap-carto github page: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto

Re: [Tagging] Maxtents= or capacity:tents= for campsites?

2019-07-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
be useful even with tourism=camp_pitch. Joseph On 7/4/19, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 04/07/19 11:47, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 10:06, Joseph Eisenberg >> mailto:joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >&

Re: [Tagging] Maxtents= or capacity:tents= for campsites?

2019-07-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> poorly tagged "maxtents=yes". Did you check if that came from a weird > > import? > > > > tom > > > > > > On 03.07.2019 02:05, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > >> Some users specify the number of tents or caravans allowed at a > >> ca

Re: [Tagging] Reservation= or booking= for campsites etc?

2019-07-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The user (Hjart) who created the wiki page for booking=* says they are fine with deprecating it and using reservation=* instead See: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:booking Joseph On 7/3/19, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 21:37, Joseph Eisenberg >

[Tagging] Maxtents= or capacity:tents= for campsites?

2019-07-02 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Some users specify the number of tents or caravans allowed at a campsite or camp pitch with tents= and caravans=, but more frequently these are specified with capacity:caravans=, capacity:tents= or maxtents= Currently maxtents=* is used most frequently and it's the shortest key, but there is no eq

[Tagging] Use bbq=yes/no or barbecue_grill=yes/no with campsites?

2019-07-02 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
There are two similar property tags that describe the presence of a barbecue (BBQ) grill at another feature such as a campsite or picnic site. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bbq https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:barbecue_grill If you check taghistory.raifer.tech it's clear that ba

[Tagging] Reservation= or booking= for campsites etc?

2019-07-02 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
While making the new page for tourism=camp_pitch, I noticed that "booking=*" is recommended to be used with tourism=camp_site, but the similar tag "reservation=*" has been used for many more years and several times more frequently. Both are not very common yet. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/

Re: [Tagging] Additional tags for camp pitches and campsites (Re: Tag:tourism=camp_pitch)

2019-06-30 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> Yes capacity= would work. Guess that one is an either / or. There is also capacity:cabins=, capacity:tents=, capacity=caravans - and maxtents=* but that doesn't fit the pattern and seems to have been mainly used for imports of backcountry campsites with maxtents=yes?! > fireplace=yes - if there

Re: [Tagging] Additional tags for camp pitches and campsites (Re: Tag:tourism=camp_pitch)

2019-06-30 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> cabins Whether cabins are offered >> > > I have only ever seen 1 cabin per site, but it would be helpful, especially > for families, to also list number of beds per each cabin (cabin=yes + > beds=2/4/8). The tag capacity= can be used for the total number of visitors allowed too, but ye

[Tagging] Additional tags for camp pitches and campsites (Re: Tag:tourism=camp_pitch)

2019-06-30 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ain for this pitch." This seems less useful, but perhaps this is for RV/caravans, which I don't use. The simple tag "drain=yes/no" could be confused with uses to describe the type of waterway=drain, so I'm not sure what's best for this. Joseph On 6/30/19, War

Re: [Tagging] Approved - Tag:tourism=camp_pitch

2019-06-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
re as a wood fire on the ground, not charcoal in a portable grill. However, the key "openfire=" has never been extensively discussed, so it may be ambiguous in actual use. On 6/30/19, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 at 00:45, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > >

[Tagging] New sections added to "Good Practice" page?

2019-06-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
A couple of users added two new sections to the Good Practice page recently: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice I think these need discussion. 1) "Check the history of important objects" "Before making significant changes to important objects (in particular settlements, administr

[Tagging] Approved - Tag:tourism=camp_pitch

2019-06-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The tag tourism=camp_pitch was approved with 24 yes votes and 1 no vote. The wiki page has been updated at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism=camp_pitch I've listed camp_site=camp_pitch as deprecated, and added tourism=camp_pitch to Map features. It looks like the French page has al

Re: [Tagging] lanes = 0

2019-06-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
On 6/24/19, yo paseopor wrote: > BOE-020_Codigo_de_Trafico_y_Seguridad_Vial > Page 50 > Carril. Banda longitudinal en que puede estar subdividida la calzada, > delimitada o no por marcas viales longitudinales, siempre que tenga una > anchura suficiente para permitir la circulación de una fila de

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Feature Name)

2019-06-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
quot; has been used 122 times and "healthcare=midwife" 427 times. The one issue would be health posts that have no trained nurse or midwife, but only a minimally-trained "community health worker", eg "kader kesehatan" in Indonesian - this situation is common in very remote

Re: [Tagging] Idea for a new tag: amenity=power_supply

2019-06-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree that amenity=power_supply is useful for features that provide free or paid access to an electrical outlet. Another place where this would be useful is in airports and train stations, where the waiting areas often have specific locations to charge electronic devices. There might be some co

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:staff_count:nurses

2019-06-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
<61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > I would think that the bed count would be a reasonable guide for the > staffing levels. > > Certainly for emergency use the number of bed would be usefull and this > should be something that can be reasonably verified. > > > > > O

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tag:tourism=camp_pitch

2019-06-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Voting for tourism=camp_pitch has been open for 1 week, and there are now 16 votes in favor and 1 vote in opposition. Voting will continue for another week until 2019-6-28 as scheduled. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_pitch On 6/14/19, Joseph Eisenberg

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:insurance:health

2019-06-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ith a list of 100 different insurance company and plan combinations? This would be hard to manage and maintain by most openstreetmap mappers. -Joseph Eisenberg M.D. On 6/20/19, Mhairi O'Hara wrote: > Hello Tagging Mailing List, > > We would like to bring your attention and comments

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - health_amenity:type

2019-06-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
4) health_amenity:type I think the key "healthcare" should be used instead of the new key health_amenity:type". If it's necessary to tag an MRI facility separately, then create a tag like "healthcare=mri". However, it may be more useful to use a tag like "mri=yes" on the main amenity=hospital or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:staff_count:nurses

2019-06-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
h of these categories is to be included in the number of nurses? -Joseph Eisenberg M.D. On 6/20/19, Mhairi O'Hara wrote: > Hello Tagging Mailing List, > > We would like to bring your attention and comments on the proposal for the > staff_count:doctors and staff_count:nurses tag

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:staff_count:doctors

2019-06-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
/wiki/Verifiability - approved tags should be things that an ordinary mapper can confirm to be true or false. - Joseph Eisenberg, M.D. On 6/20/19, Mhairi O'Hara wrote: > Hello Tagging Mailing List, > > We would like to bring your attention and comments on the proposal for the > s

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Feature Name)

2019-06-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree that this discussion should be in 5 different threads, one for each tag, so I will respond in that way, and on the individual pages. In general, I appreciate the work that you are doing on this, but I don't think you should rely too much on the abandoned healthcare 2.0 proposal - it wasn't

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I asked my wife (native American English speaker) how she would describe a ferry that wasn't free. She thought of paying a fare first, for foot ferries, but when pressed suggested that "Toll ferry" was better than something with "fee" Searching online, I'm finding results for both "toll ferry" and

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability of geometry

2019-06-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Daniel, I find this whole conversation pretty off-topic for the tagging forum. Perhaps "Talk" would be more appropriate, since you closed the original discussion on github. 1)Simplification of geometries: > There can be some simplification used (just beware of oversimplification, > especially fo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - waterway=tidal_channel

2019-06-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Good suggestion. I've updated the page. On 6/17/19, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 at 16:39, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > >> >> Does this clearly define the difference between a tidal channel and a >> river or stream? >> > > Yep, I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - waterway=tidal_channel

2019-06-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
this clearly define the difference between a tidal channel and a river or stream? Please comment on the waterway=tidal_channel proposal or here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:waterway%3Dtidal_channel I've added more photos and examples there too. On 6/6/19

Re: [Tagging] Marking legal BBQ locations

2019-06-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I think "bring_own_bbq=yes" is sensible; "bbq=designated" is a little confusing, but probably also correct. The tag leisure=firepit is for a structure or spot designated for open fires, such as a fire ring made of stones or bricks, or a metal fire pit. I checked the page for amenity=bbq and notic

Re: [Tagging] man-made missing-manhole mistery

2019-06-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:manhole implies that manhole=drain is for manholes that provide access to an underground "surface water drain for removing rainwater", so they should not be the opening or grate for water. However, I don't know if this is how the tag is actually use

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of non-approved values for diplomatic=?

2019-06-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Some people disapprove of editing a database object without checking if it still exists, because an edit implies that you have confirmed that the information about the feature is still correct. Back to the original question: should diplomatic=honorary_consulate and the related tags be marked as de

Re: [Tagging] lanes = 0

2019-06-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
This requirement is fine for Europe, but the presence of lane markings is not reliable in all of the world. In developing countries, such as here in Indonesia, the presence of painted lane markings is inconsistent. Often cheap pain is used instead of more durable thermoplastic, so the markings onl

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tag:tourism=camp_pitch

2019-06-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The proposal for the feature tag tourism=camp_pitch is now open for voting. This is a follow-up to the rejected proposal for camp_site=camp_pitch The proposed tag tourism=camp_pitch provides a way to tag individual pitches within a campsite (a.k.a. "campground" in American English) or caravan sit

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of non-approved values for diplomatic=?

2019-06-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Right. By "deprecated" this is what I mean: should the wiki pages be changed to make it clear that diplomatic=honorary_consulate is no longer preferred, and could be changed to diplomatic=consulate + consulate=honorary_consulate ? On 6/14/19, Lionel Giard wrote: > I think that the only deprecate

[Tagging] Deprecation of non-approved values for diplomatic=?

2019-06-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I was checking the pages related to the office=diplomatic proposal, which approved the tags diplomatic=embassy, diplomatic=consulate and diplomatic=liaison - I just made pages for these 3 tags and added =liaison to the key:diplomatic page. Based on the proposal, I suspect that the other values cou

Re: [Tagging] refugee camp

2019-06-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I understand why refugee camps have been mapped with amenity=social_facility - it's the closest existing tag, since tourism=camp_site is clearly wrong and landuse=residential isn't quite right. However, I don't think that large refugee camps are a perfect fit for amenity=social_facility. Most of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:tourism=camp_pitch

2019-06-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> The OSMwiki says tourism=caravan_site is not for sites that accept tents > at all. I think you are mistaken. The wiki page says "They may also have some space for tents. If a site is primarily for tents, it should be tagged as tourism=camp_site". This has always been a part of the page, since 20

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:tourism=camp_pitch

2019-06-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> How do you handle sites that accept both caravans and tents on different > pitches? > I believe you may be thinking about how to choose between tourism=camp_site vs tourism=caravan_site for a dual-use campground or campsite. I would use camp_site if it is mostly used for tent camping and caravan

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:golf=cartpath

2019-06-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> what about pedestrians, can they walk on cart paths? And other vehicles, > e.g. lawnmowers or tractors? > Shouldn’t these get a highway tag? Yes, they should get a highway tag, in my opinion. The current proposal requires the use of highway=* with golf=cartpath. Either "highway=service" or "hi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:golf=cartpath

2019-06-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> if I want all the path in a park, I create a propal with park=path ? > then forest=path ? and so on with all "this object is inside this one" That's a theoretical risk and I wouldn't support adding any such tags, but in this case there is already a well-used key "golf=*" for golf course features

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:golf=cartpath

2019-06-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Any additional comments on golf=cartpath? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:golf%3Dcartpath On 5/27/19, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I've created a complete proposal page for golf=cartpath: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:golf%3Dcartpa

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