May 27, 2020, 15:12 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
> I went back to this edit [1] before the wiki was changed recently.
> Back then, bicycle=no was simply defined as "where bicycles are not
> permitted." If nothing else is said, then nobody can conclude that
> "riding bicycles is not permitted but
May 27, 2020, 18:36 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com:
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 6:22 AM Fernando Trebien <>
> fernando.treb...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> >
> > If there really is widespread agreement that bicycle=no should be
> treated like bicycle=dismount (plus, perhaps, some treatment when
> foot/acc
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 6:22 AM Fernando Trebien
wrote:
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> One more thing: the distinction between bicycle=no and
> bicycle=dismount has made its way to this important article for
> various countries around 2015. [14]
>
> [14]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restri
One more thing: the distinction between bicycle=no and
bicycle=dismount has made its way to this important article for
various countries around 2015. [14]
[14]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 10:12 AM Fernando Trebien
wrote:
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On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 8:55 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
wrote:
> May 27, 2020, 01:35 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
>
> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 1:48 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
> wrote:
>
> May 26, 2020, 18:04 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
>
> Bikes may "pass" in two different ways: r
On Wed, 27 May 2020 08:26:55 +0200
Colin Smale wrote:
> On 2020-05-26 19:31, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
>
> > May 26, 2020, 19:19 by f...@zz.de:
> > On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 06:46:11PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via
> > Tagging wrote: May 26, 2020, 18:04 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
>
On 2020-05-26 19:31, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
> May 26, 2020, 19:19 by f...@zz.de:
> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 06:46:11PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
> wrote:
> May 26, 2020, 18:04 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
>
>> Bikes may "pass" in two different ways: riding
>> (bicyc
May 27, 2020, 01:35 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 1:48 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
> wrote:
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>> bicycle=no and bicycle=dismount are de facto equivalents
>>
>
> How can you conclude that?
>
There are many places that require people to dismount from bicycles and
May 27, 2020, 01:35 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 1:48 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
> wrote:
>
>> May 26, 2020, 18:04 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
>>
>> Bikes may "pass" in two different ways: riding
>> (bicycle=yes/permissive/destination) or pushing (bicycle=d
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 1:48 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
wrote:
> May 26, 2020, 18:04 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
>
> Bikes may "pass" in two different ways: riding
> (bicycle=yes/permissive/destination) or pushing (bicycle=dismount).
> Bikes are only completely forbidden if bicycle=no/pri
Am Di., 26. Mai 2020 um 18:48 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org>:
> May 26, 2020, 18:04 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
>
> Bikes may "pass" in two different ways: riding
> (bicycle=yes/permissive/destination) or pushing (bicycle=dismount).
> Bikes are only compl
May 26, 2020, 19:19 by f...@zz.de:
> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 06:46:11PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
>
>> May 26, 2020, 18:04 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
>>
>> > Bikes may "pass" in two different ways: riding
>> > (bicycle=yes/permissive/destination) or pushing (bicycle=dismou
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 06:46:11PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
> May 26, 2020, 18:04 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
>
> > Bikes may "pass" in two different ways: riding
> > (bicycle=yes/permissive/destination) or pushing (bicycle=dismount).
> > Bikes are only completely forbidden i
May 26, 2020, 17:20 by f...@zz.de:
> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 11:10:17AM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> sent from a phone
>>
>> > On 25. May 2020, at 20:37, Florian Lohoff wrote:
>> >
>> > i'd expect OSM
>> > offering me a conflict free (in legal and physical terms) route based
>
May 26, 2020, 18:04 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
> Bikes may "pass" in two different ways: riding
> (bicycle=yes/permissive/destination) or pushing (bicycle=dismount).
> Bikes are only completely forbidden if bicycle=no/private.
>
bicycle=no does not mean that you cannot push bicycle
bicycle=
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:43 PM Volker Schmidt wrote:
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> I would like to bring this up in the list.
> I am not happy with the recent change of the key:access page of the wiki
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Key:access has been changed on 24 May 2020
> by F
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 11:10:17AM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 25. May 2020, at 20:37, Florian Lohoff wrote:
> >
> > i'd expect OSM
> > offering me a conflict free (in legal and physical terms) route based
> > on the tags it finds.
> >
> > This is especi
sent from a phone
> On 25. May 2020, at 20:37, Florian Lohoff wrote:
>
> i'd expect OSM
> offering me a conflict free (in legal and physical terms) route based
> on the tags it finds.
>
> This is especially true for transit e.g. traversing something. This is
> pretty inline with my in-car-nav
sent from a phone
> On 24. May 2020, at 23:43, Volker Schmidt wrote:
>
> plenty of ways that look from the layout like combined foot-cycle paths but
> have no signage at all
> plenty of service roads which show the "no transit for any vehicle" sign, but
> in reality you can happily pass wit
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 01:38:57PM +0200, Florimond Berthoux wrote:
> I have encounter this issue many times : reality vs traffic sign.
> No vehicle acces to the wood in Paris, except that cyclist go there and
> that normal.
> A living street sign on a transit road.
> Etc.
>
> I would like to be a
I have encounter this issue many times : reality vs traffic sign.
No vehicle acces to the wood in Paris, except that cyclist go there and
that normal.
A living street sign on a transit road.
Etc.
I would like to be able to tag separately the sign/law and the 'on the
ground' reality.
For the defau
On 25/5/20 8:28 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
May 24, 2020, 23:42 by vosc...@gmail.com:
The strict wording introduced by Florian is simply not practically
applicable here.
My questions are:
Is Italy the only country with this problem?
Poland used to be similar, tho
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 11:42:09PM +0200, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> -- Forwarded message -
> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Key:access has been changed on 24 May 2020
> by Flohoff, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access for the
> current revision.
This follows HUGE changes t
May 24, 2020, 23:42 by vosc...@gmail.com:
> The strict wording introduced by Florian is simply not practically applicable
> here.
> My questions are:
> Is Italy the only country with this problem?
>
Poland used to be similar, though police sometimes setup trap where they were
fining people
On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 17:42, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> In my country (Italy) there are literally thousands of ways where it is most
> likely legal to pass by bicycle, but there is no (practical) way of finding
> out.
> Essentially two classes:
>
> - plenty of ways that look from the layout like c
I would like to bring this up in the list.
I am not happy with the recent change of the key:access page of the wiki
-- Forwarded message -
The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Key:access has been changed on 24 May 2020
by Flohoff, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access for the
c
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