On Fri, 2015-05-15 at 16:13 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote:
I have seen some tight intersections, with buildings directly
adjoining the roadway at all four corners, where a maxlength tag
would also be useful. A passenger car or a delivery truck would be
able to turn the corner, but a
I have seen some tight intersections, with buildings directly adjoining the
roadway at all four corners, where a maxlength tag would also be useful. A
passenger car or a delivery truck would be able to turn the corner, but a
tractor-trailer rig (heavy goods vehicle) or bus would get wedged in
That would depend on so many factors, including wheelbase, overhang,
width, driving skill, weight distribution on individual wheels, even
speed.. Google for swept path analysis
//colin
On 2015-05-15 23:13, John F. Eldredge wrote:
I have seen some tight intersections, with buildings
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 3:33 AM, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
On Wed May 13 09:02:18 2015 GMT+0100, Ross wrote:
Not the way I read their email.
However there is already provision for:
maxspeed:vehicle
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed
and
maxspeed:advisory
2015-05-13 10:31 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl:
maxheight and maxwidth are indeed not advisory, but they are both still
only legal and have :physical subtags to indicate the actual
width/height of the obstruction. We won't be needing that for maxspeed I
think.
on a sidenote:
Don't agree with this... there have been discussions in the past about
whether the width of a way includes the pavements etc... Where a
road goes under a bridge, where do you measure the height of the road?
The highest point (not good enough for vehicles) or the lowest highest
point or in the
On Wed May 13 09:02:18 2015 GMT+0100, Ross wrote:
Not the way I read their email.
However there is already provision for:
maxspeed:vehicle
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed
and
maxspeed:advisory
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:advisory
So I'd
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 4:03 AM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Don't agree with this... there have been discussions in the past about
whether the width of a way includes the pavements etc... Where a road
goes under a bridge, where do you measure the height of the road? The
highest
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 2:56 AM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote:
2015-05-11 13:08 GMT+02:00 pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com:
On 11 May 2015 at 11:40, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:04 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Well, in the US,
2015-05-13 11:03 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:
maxspeed=75 mph (or even none in some cases)
maxspeed:hgv=65 mph
maxspeed:night=65 mph
maxspeed:hgv:night=55 mph
time dependent maxspeeds typically get tagged with the conditional syntax,
e.g. maxspeed:conditional=100 @
On 13 May 2015 at 10:03, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Don't agree with this... there have been discussions in the past about
whether the width of a way includes the pavements etc... Where a road
goes under a bridge, where do you measure the height of the road?
Are we talking
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:
A signed height limit is likely somewhat conservative. On a USA road
way that's an advisory sign, but if you
run a larger load under the bridge and something happens it's your fault.
The actual maximum height is
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 12:56 AM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote:
not by name, explicitely, but that's how we've been using it since the very
beginning. It will be really hard to change that. We also have maxheight and
maxwidth, I think it's obvious those are hard limits, not advisory.
That's
If I understand what pmailkeey is saying, he's suggesting an expansion of
maxspeed into a namespace, so maxspeed:advisory could be a recognizable
thing.
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Ross i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
And read the wiki page on maxspeed:
2015-05-11 13:08 GMT+02:00 pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com:
On 11 May 2015 at 11:40, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:04 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Well, in the US, I've just been tagging the 'ramp' speeds (
Not the way I read their email.
However there is already provision for:
maxspeed:vehicle
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed
and
maxspeed:advisory
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:advisory
So I'd suggest that maxspeed is the legal speed limit as per the wiki
2015-05-11 13:08 GMT+02:00 pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com:
Maxspeed does not imply 'limit' by name.
it does, maximum is about a limit...
Cheers,
Martin
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And read the wiki page on maxspeed:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed
the maximum legalspeed limit
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Speed_limits
Cheers
Ross
On 12/05/15 22:36, pmailkeey . wrote:
On 12 May 2015 at 12:29, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
On 12 May 2015 at 12:29, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2015-05-11 13:08 GMT+02:00 pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com:
Maxspeed does not imply 'limit' by name.
it does, maximum is about a limit...
Please reread my previous message - and appreciate that maxima can be
In Australia as well they are advisory so are therefore not speed
limits. You can not be fined for exceeding the advisory signs.
The speed limit, and therefore maxspeed, is sign posted with a sign like
this:
In Italy we've been using something like
maxspeed=50; source:maxspeed=IT:urban
maxspeed=90; source:maxspeed=IT:rural
+1 in France:
maxspeed=50; source:maxspeed=FR:urban
maxspeed=90; source:maxspeed=FR:rural
maxspeed=130; source:maxspeed=FR:motorway
maxspeed=30; source:maxspeed=FR:zone30
On 11 May 2015 at 11:40, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:04 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Well, in the US, I've just been tagging the 'ramp' speeds (
https://goo.gl/maps/Bw8Is ) as a normal 'maxspeed'. I know several
other users here in
2015-05-11 11:04 GMT+02:00 James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com:
Plus, while the cops can't pull you over and give you a ticket for
exceeding the 'ramp' speed (if they do, you can challenge it in court if
it's just a normal speeding ticket), they can however, nail you with a
reckless driving
Well, in the US, I've just been tagging the 'ramp' speeds (
https://goo.gl/maps/Bw8Is ) as a normal 'maxspeed'. I know several other users
here in the US have been doing it the same way.
However, I wouldn't be opposed if we wanted to tag them as 'maxspeed:ramp=35
mph', but only if we could
UK Max speed advisory signs:
Sign
http://roadsignsdirect.co.uk/sites/default/files/styles/width220/public/513.2_0.png?itok=4-8s-qxC
With additional info http://www.1stdrive.com/Advisory_speed_sign.JPG
Variable
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c8/Uk_40_mph_advisory.jpg
--
Mike.
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com
wrote:
How do you tag speed limits on curves and highway on/off ramps? At
least in Ontario, these speed limits are advisory only and signed with
a yellow sign (and sometimes on curves you will see a curve speed
limit sign
2015-05-11 1:41 GMT+02:00 Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com:
How do you tag speed limits on curves and highway on/off ramps? At
least in Ontario, these speed limits are advisory only and signed with
a yellow sign (and sometimes on curves you will see a curve speed
limit sign and a higher
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:04 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote:
However, I wouldn't be opposed if we wanted to tag them as 'maxspeed:ramp=35
mph', but only if we could get the routers on board as that does help in the
time estimates and also to harp a user if he's going, say, 20
I believe the solution for the problem has already been mentioned: the used
tag maxspeed:advisory=* seems a good way to make the distinction between
actual maxspeeds and advisory maxspeeds:
http://taginfo.osm.org/keys/maxspeed%3Aadvisory#values
Let's document this in the wiki, e.g. here:
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:04 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Well, in the US, I've just been tagging the 'ramp' speeds (
https://goo.gl/maps/Bw8Is ) as a normal 'maxspeed'. I know several other
users here in the US have been doing it the same way.
Please don't, as this is
Well if you read the wiki:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed
that's exactly what maxspeed implies.
and
maxspeed:hgv etc is also there
Cheers
Ross
On 11/05/15 21:08, pmailkeey . wrote:
On 11 May 2015 at 11:40, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org
mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org
How do you tag speed limits on curves and highway on/off ramps? At
least in Ontario, these speed limits are advisory only and signed with
a yellow sign (and sometimes on curves you will see a curve speed
limit sign and a higher general speed limit sign right beside each
other). I have used
2014-12-20 15:02 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at:
Is it too much of a challenge for router developers to look at one or two
other tags?
Not a big challenge, but an unnecessary one. Also, a challenge for mappers.
And won't maxspeed=number + maxspeed:type=signals (or
I like maxspeed:variable=* simply because it lets you use maxspeed=* in its
original sense. Maxspeed=signals robs you of that original tag and routers
now have to dig deep into tags to understand the real maxspeed.
Keep the simple tags, and build around them, that's what I say.
Janko.
Dana 19.
On 20.12.2014 09:42, Janko Mihelić wrote:
I like maxspeed:variable=* simply because it lets you use maxspeed=* in its
original sense. Maxspeed=signals robs you of that original tag and routers
now have to dig deep into tags to understand the real maxspeed.
Is it too much of a challenge for
Hi!
As the usage of maxspeed:variable continues to increase, I would like to
draw your attention again to its proposal:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dynamic_maxspeed
In my opinion maxspeed:variable is far superior to maxspeed=signals as it
provides not only the
* what is the maximum possible(!) speed limit
The possible max speed limit is most likely the speed limit fo that type of
road in that country, unless you have better information (from what source
with what licence?), but that's not really helpful for a router
* what is the reason(!) for the
Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote:
Am 26.06.2012 16:55, schrieb Paul Johnson:
It seems like tagging for the lowest, highest and default limits
would be useful.
What's the purpose of a lowest speed limit?
I don't think it's useful, as we are still speaking about legal
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:03 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
A lowest speed limit means that, under normal circumstances, traffic is
supposed to go at least that fast, and someone going slower can be cited for
obstructing traffic. It doesn't get enforced when heavy traffic,
Am 28.06.2012 23:50, schrieb Toby Murray:
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:03 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
A lowest speed limit means that, under normal circumstances, traffic is
supposed to go at least that fast, and someone going slower can be cited for obstructing
traffic. It
The lowest variable speed limit I have seen on a UK motorway is 40 mph, but
that doesn't mean it can't go lower.
I do not believe that there is a defined minimum on motorways, rather it is up
to the discretion of the police, I'd they deem you are going to slowly they
will escort you off.
Phil
On Jun 28, 2012 2:04 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
A lowest speed limit means that, under normal circumstances, traffic is
supposed to go at least that fast, and someone going slower can be cited
for obstructing traffic. It doesn't get enforced when heavy traffic, road
Hi.
That's how it's documented and defined, but I fear, if you look into
maxspeed tags of countries not using the metric system on signs, we
probably have many bugs in values without units, if you use that
assumption.
It's similar to everything else:
If there's nothing declared, you don't
Am 26.06.2012 16:55, schrieb Paul Johnson:
It seems like tagging for the lowest, highest and default limits
would be useful.
What's the purpose of a lowest speed limit?
I don't think it's useful, as we are still speaking about legal speed
limits, while often lower practical speed limits
2012/6/27 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de:
Hi.
That's how it's documented and defined, but I fear, if you look into
maxspeed tags of countries not using the metric system on signs, we probably
have many bugs in values without units, if you use that assumption.
It's similar to
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 09:33:49AM +0200, Peter Wendorff wrote:
Am 26.06.2012 16:55, schrieb Paul Johnson:
It seems like tagging for the lowest, highest and default limits
would be useful.
What's the purpose of a lowest speed limit?
I'd say - Worst case travel time estimation?
Flo
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Am 27.06.2012 09:36, schrieb Martin Vonwald:
2012/6/27 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de:
Hi.
That's how it's documented and defined, but I fear, if you look into
maxspeed tags of countries not using the metric system on signs, we probably
have many bugs in values without units, if you
Am 27.06.2012 09:37, schrieb Florian Lohoff:
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 09:33:49AM +0200, Peter Wendorff wrote:
Am 26.06.2012 16:55, schrieb Paul Johnson:
It seems like tagging for the lowest, highest and default limits
would be useful.
What's the purpose of a lowest speed limit?
I'd say -
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Peter Wendorff
wendo...@uni-paderborn.dewrote:
Am 26.06.2012 16:55, schrieb Paul Johnson:
It seems like tagging for the lowest, highest and default limits would
be useful.
What's the purpose of a lowest speed limit?
To be able to display a range, or
Hi Paul,
Am Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2012, 07:07:49 schrieb Paul Johnson:
What's the purpose of a lowest speed limit?
To be able to display a range, or estimate the correct value when other
data (such as speed limits that vary based on time of day) is available.
Speed limits that only depend on
2012/6/27 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org
To be able to display a range, or estimate the correct value when other
data (such as speed limits that vary based on time of day) is available.
I think that estimation of slowest possible trip is not something we
should be thinking about. In my
+1
Real time estimates are best handled by TMS, or similar.
Phil
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On 27/06/2012 15:40 Janko Mihelić wrote:
2012/6/27 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org
To be able to display a range, or estimate the correct value when other data
(such as speed limits that vary
Hi!
Lately I was mapping features along motorways, including speed limits.
Some of them are displayed on electronic signs, but usually only
change in case of traffic jams, accidents, dangerous weather
conditions, ... and so on. Now should these really be tagged with
maxspeed=signals? All of them
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote:
All of them showed 100. And under
normal circumstances they will always show 100.
The tag maxspeed=signals doesn't carry any useful information in this
situation
How about the default_maxspeed tag, which is already
On 26/06/2012 11:43, Martin Vonwald wrote:
Lately I was mapping features along motorways, including speed limits.
Some of them are displayed on electronic signs, but usually only
change in case of traffic jams... All of them showed 100. And under
normal circumstances they will always show 100.
I was going to point you at the M6 around Walsall, but having looked at it I am
even more confused.
Some ways are tagged maxspeed 70mph, some are tagged as maxspeed signals, and a
section is 110kmh which is clearly very wrong. I will correct and email the
mapper.
Am not sure of purely using
2012/6/26 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk:
Do we need a separate tag such as limit = variable, maxspeed = 70mph. At
present there is a note about active traffic management but I assume is
ignored by routers.
Actually I think we do need a different tagging and also some
different
2012/6/26 John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com:
As far as I know, variable speed limits tend to be used in areas prone
to heavy congestion
The last two weekends I drove on the A9 and S6 in Austria. The
electronic speed signs there are used mainly to lower the speed limit
in case of bad weather.
Am 26.06.2012 14:41, schrieb Martin Vonwald:
2012/6/26 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk:
Do we need a separate tag such as limit = variable, maxspeed = 70mph. At
present there is a note about active traffic management but I assume is
ignored by routers.
Actually I think we do need a
2012/6/26 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de:
I would prefer to allow (not require) an additional unit information (mph,
km/h)
Sorry - my writing was misleading. Of course the unit should be allowed!
* A different tag should be used if the speed limit is somehow
managed, maybe
On 26/06/2012 12:39, David Earl wrote:
On 26/06/2012 11:43, Martin Vonwald wrote:
Lately I was mapping features along motorways, including speed limits.
Some of them are displayed on electronic signs, but usually only
change in case of traffic jams... All of them showed 100. And under
normal
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote:
Why do I think that maxspeed=signals is a bad idea? Because it doesn't
carry a lot of useful information. The speed limit is especially
important to routing applications. For such an application
maxspeed=signals is no
On Jun 26, 2012 5:41 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote:
Why do I think that maxspeed=signals is a bad idea? Because it doesn't
carry a lot of useful information. The speed limit is especially
important to routing applications. For such an application
maxspeed=signals is no
On Jun 26, 2012 5:47 AM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote:
As far as I know, variable speed limits tend to be used in areas prone
to heavy congestion, so routing applications should probably assume
it's a slow road (at least during the daytime).
In the US, the most common variable speed
On Jun 26, 2012 6:03 AM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote:
I would prefer to allow (not require) an additional unit information
(mph, km/h), simply to encourage data consumers to deal with them as they
are usually added by users.
On the other hand no data consumer can be sure
I would prefer to allow (not require) an additional unit information (mph,
km/h), simply to encourage data consumers to deal with them as they are
usually added by users.
On the other hand no data consumer can be sure about a (global) default
unit if there's no unit given.
I thought it was
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
In the US, the most common variable speed limit scenario is a school zone.
Rules for when the lower limit applies varies. Some are certain hours of
the day and only on school days, others are year round whenever children
Hi Martin,
Am Dienstag, 26. Juni 2012, 12:43:10 schrieb Martin Vonwald:
The tag maxspeed=signals doesn't carry any useful information in this
situation. If I tag those speed limits with this tag we completely
lose the information that on this part(s) of the motorway one usually
can drive
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