Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

Le lun. 3 sept. 2018 à 23:52, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit : > While it is good to encourage the discussion of a tag on the tagging list, > trying to make a mapper do a proposal page is a discouragement to enter > into discussions on the tagging list - the last thing 'we' want! > The

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

On 04/09/18 00:04, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: What is your reasoning for rejecting the idea that unused tags (or lowest usage stuff) get documented as a proposed thing, rather than an established convention? First you have not put it forward as an idea, but put it forward as a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

2018-09-03 9:38 GMT+02:00 Javier Sánchez Portero : > That was in the past, but now there is a visual editor very easy to use. > easiest and quickest is copy pasting the proposal template (or a good existing proposal) and filling in the info. Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

Hi Le lun. 3 sept. 2018 à 02:59, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > No it does not, "any tags you like' - documenting them simply helps people > understand their use. > With all due respect, I disagree, unless any understanding mistake. It's really hard to change, refine or even

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That was in the past, but now there is a visual editor very easy to use. El lun., 3 sept. 2018 a las 1:52, Dave Swarthout () escribió: > One of the biggest problems with "creating a proposal" is that the Wiki > markup language is so painfully tedious I've taken pains to avoid it. > People always

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

On 03/09/18 10:47, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 3. Sep 2018, at 02:37, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: You can simply start to use the tag AND document its use. yes, but documenting the use means starting a proposal, No it does not, "any tags you like' -

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One of the biggest problems with "creating a proposal" is that the Wiki markup language is so painfully tedious I've taken pains to avoid it. People always say, "write it up in the Wiki" as though it's similar to writing a letter in a word processor. It is not. It's a process I've criticized in

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sent from a phone > On 3. Sep 2018, at 02:37, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > You can simply start to use the tag AND document its use. yes, but documenting the use means starting a proposal, writing down the meaning of the tag in a proposal form or maybe on your user page and

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

On 03/09/18 10:05, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 3. Sep 2018, at 01:42, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: Just one question though: for the wiki page of this do I put "draft" or "proposed" or "de facto" or "in use" for the status? I

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sent from a phone On 3. Sep 2018, at 01:42, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Just one question though: for the wiki page of this do I put "draft" or >> "proposed" or "de facto" or "in use" for the status? > > I would not put a status on it. > > It is not a draft, proposed nor

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

On 03/09/18 02:22, Dolly Andriatsiferana wrote: But if your going to use it ..please document it on the OSM wiki so people can find what it means. Just one question though: for the wiki page of this do I put "draft" or "proposed" or "de facto" or "in use" for the status? I would not

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> > But if your going to use it ..please document it on the OSM wiki so people > can find what it means. Just one question though: for the wiki page of this do I put "draft" or "proposed" or "de facto" or "in use" for the status? 2018-09-02 18:20 GMT+03:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > On

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

On 03/09/18 01:08, Dolly Andriatsiferana wrote: To make it simple, for our ongoing mapping project we're going to use the *electricity=yes/no/grid/solar/generator/whatever_the_source_is* system I don't like it. But I'm not using it anyway. But if your going to use it ..please document it on

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Thank you all for your helpful inputs. - those who use individual power source for the building > (generator/windmill/solar panel...) > There are a few methods in the data base. I looked in taginfo for the > value solar; > the dominate one with over 160,000 uses is generator:source=solar > Of

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

On 2018-08-31 23:51, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Going back to the original suggestion, wouldn't it be much simpler just to say this house / building has power connected / available: electricity = yes / no? :-) Could this actually be set up as a country default? Alas, OpenStreetMap is a

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> Gesendet: Samstag, 01. September 2018 um 00:52 Uhr > Von: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> > An: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity > If the requirement is for an indication that electricity is connected .. > then that

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

On 01/09/18 14:52, Dolly Andriatsiferana wrote: Also in developing countries in Africa some houses would be "connected" to an electricity distribution network (thus having an electric wire from the exterior entering the house), and some would have their individual (per building) source such as

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

Also in developing countries in Africa some houses would be "connected" to an electricity distribution network (thus having an electric wire from the exterior entering the house), and some would have their individual (per building) source such as a small generator somewhere in the building itself

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On 01/09/18 07:51, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Going back to the original suggestion, wouldn't it be much simpler just to say this house / building has power connected / available: electricity = yes / no? :-) Could this actually be set up as a country default? eg in Australia, UK, Western

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

Going back to the original suggestion, wouldn't it be much simpler just to say this house / building has power connected / available: electricity = yes / no? :-) Could this actually be set up as a country default? eg in Australia, UK, Western Europe, US "most" buildings will have mains power of

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On 2018-08-31 00:47, Warin wrote: Agreed with Paul statement about earthing system which is specific to each building Earthing systems are usually mandated and common to some bureaucratic boundaries. My earthing system was extremely specific indeed. The terrace soil squashed down and, although

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:43 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 31/08/18 19:47, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > As well as the grounding system there is the connection system - the UK > uses a 'ring mains' system where the connection from the fuse box goes to > each outlet in turn

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seirra > An: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity > > here anyway, the networks are more than happy to show an area map and > generally they don't change. as the resident can choose just about any > of the energy companies howeve

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On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 11:47 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Earthing systems are usually mandated and common to some bureaucratic > boundaries. > Perhaps that is the case where you are, but here in the UK it's a matter of what the power distribution company provides. In a largely

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On 31 August 2018 12:40:15 CEST, seirra wrote: >here anyway, the networks are more than happy to show an area map and >generally they don't change. as the resident can choose just about any >of the energy companies however, that would take a bit of asking >around. >i've never tried asking

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

On 31/08/18 19:47, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2018-08-31 11:23 GMT+02:00 mailto:gppes_...@web.de>>: I'm asking myself, how is all the (quite specific) data verifiable on the ground? it is certainly verifiable, if you insist on the "ground", you might ask people. Otherwise you

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do you want to tag these properties? To my opinion, no one needs to justify tags regarding to usefulness, I'm just curios. Gesendet: Freitag, 31. August 2018 um 10:17 Uhr Von: seirra An: tagging@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity yeah that is what i

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

2018-08-31 11:23 GMT+02:00 : > I'm asking myself, how is all the (quite specific) data verifiable on the > ground? > it is certainly verifiable, if you insist on the "ground", you might ask people. Otherwise you might find documents about this. Cheers, Martin

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fuses for that? Why do you want to tag these properties? To my opinion, no one needs to justify tags regarding to usefulness, I'm just curios. > Gesendet: Freitag, 31. August 2018 um 10:17 Uhr > Von: seirra > An: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Tagging

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yeah that is what i meant. i think they buy it from the network which serves as a 'middleman' to the generators, because the prices for the same company and tariff vary depending what network you are in over here. so presumably they pick and choose their power sources, and then the network

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Here there is the company that I buy my electricity from. They buy it from the distribution network that I am connected to. So I can have a choice of who I buy from .. but my network does not change. I am not certain if these firms buy it directly from the network .. or some other body that

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just something to mention about distribution companies here anyway, we have the network, then we have the company? so for example my network is UK power network, but my company is utilita? however in other areas (still in the uk) they would have a different network altogether On 08/31/18

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

On 31/08/18 14:47, Dolly Andriatsiferana wrote: I think this would be hard to maintain, and highly redundant since voltage won't change for a given city or even country. Think about standards names to fill utilities:electricity. Each standard comes with frequency, voltage,

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> > I think this would be hard to maintain, and highly redundant since voltage > won't change for a given city or even country. > Think about standards names to fill utilities:electricity. > Each standard comes with frequency, voltage, rating... Yes, I agree that in most cases voltage doesn't

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

On 31/08/18 05:20, François Lacombe wrote: Le jeu. 30 août 2018 à 19:12, Dolly Andriatsiferana mailto:privatemaj...@gmail.com>> a écrit : I like the idea of keeping a namespace gathering utilities such as electricity, gas, internet or other. But the idea is also to be able to use a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

Le jeu. 30 août 2018 à 19:12, Dolly Andriatsiferana a écrit : > I like the idea of keeping a namespace gathering utilities such as > electricity, gas, internet or other. But the idea is also to be able to use > a namespace for the utility to provide more details (source, voltage, > fee...) or

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Dolly Andriatsiferana < privatemaj...@gmail.com> wrote: > I like the idea of keeping a namespace gathering utilities such as > electricity, gas, internet or other. But the idea is also to be able to use > a namespace for the utility to provide more details

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I like the idea of keeping a namespace gathering utilities such as electricity, gas, internet or other. But the idea is also to be able to use a namespace for the utility to provide more details (source, voltage, fee...) or conditions (if there's schedule in availability) - and with

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*Ooops* Qualify other buildings with electricity or gas availability is a good idea, but it shouldN'T be done with 2 above keys. Le jeu. 30 août 2018 à 18:04, François Lacombe a écrit : > Hi all, > > power=* key is intended for infrastructure related power producing, > transmitting or

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Hi all, power=* key is intended for infrastructure related power producing, transmitting or distributing the power. power_supply=* is here to map places where you can find power for different purposes (like water taps for water if I can make such a link) Qualify other buildings with electricity

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sent from a phone > On 30. Aug 2018, at 17:46, John Sturdy wrote: > > The tag "power" is already specifically for electrical power (see > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Power), so I would suggest putting it > under that. -1, power is for objects of the power infrastructure, here the

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The tag "power" is already specifically for electrical power (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Power), so I would suggest putting it under that. On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 5:48 AM Dolly Andriatsiferana < privatemaj...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I was searching for a tag to indicate if a

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I'm also thinking that power_supply is different, as it give only information of the type of power plug available in a location ! Implicitly it would probably mean there is electricity there but for private houses, we can't know that information without entering houses, and it doesn't say if they

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wouldn't the use of access:private be sufficient? that would tell people the building is private meaning anything inside must be too. power supply already allows voltage and actually does allow intermittent now i look back. due to the fact electricity would often lead to the presence of a

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Thanks seirra for pointing to power_supply. But I don't know if it can really be applied to individual private buildings? Because as far as I understand it is to be used for services or amenities like camp sites, ie whether you can get power there to plug your electrical stuff? The difference is

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you might find power_supply to be better suited as it is already documented https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power_supply it already covers all of those topics except for intermittent, although if it is relevant i don't see why you can't put it On 08/29/18 05:46, Dolly Andriatsiferana