Re: [Tagging] [Power] sub_station vs substation

2013-11-03 Thread Ole Nielsen
François you'll need to be a bit patient. As long as the main mapnik map and the major editors don't support the new tag there won't be a quick switch to the new tag. The old sub_station tag (10 uses) will continue to exist for a very long time and renders should keep supporting it. At

Re: [Tagging] [Power] sub_station vs substation

2013-11-03 Thread bredy
I think that problem is present because in Josm the value is not change? Is it possible to change this? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Power-sub-station-vs-substation-tp5783760p5783773.html Sent from the Tagging mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Gambling

2013-11-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, Based on your input during the pre-proposal phase, I have come up with a feature proposal for various gambling features. The proposal includes the following tags: - shop=bookmaker: A shop that takes bets on sporting and other events at agreed upon odds. - shop=lottery: A shop of which

[Tagging] Pre-proposal: Newsagent / Kiosk / Tobacco / TIcket shop

2013-11-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, In many countries, there is a type of shop that sells most of the following: - Newspapers - Magazines - Books (but not as wide selection as a book shop) - Stationary - Post cards - Bus tickets - Concert tickets - Lottery tickets - Post stamps - Tobacco - Mobile phone credit - Drinks

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: Newsagent / Kiosk / Tobacco / TIcket shop

2013-11-03 Thread Philip Barnes
In the UK the are called newsagents, and fit your description pretty well. W H Smith is slightly different, whilst it has news stands and small shops in railway stations and in airports, it also has larger high street shops that are principally book shops, although they will sell newspapers and

[Tagging] New feature: amenity=creche

2013-11-03 Thread Gilbert Hangartner
Hi there, I wrote a proposal to correctly tag Crèches or Childcare-centres or Daycare-centrers or Kindertagesstätte. Thank you in advance for your comments and thoughts. Nounours! A crèche is an institution who takes care of a child during the day, normally on a daily basis, including

Re: [Tagging] [Power] sub_station vs substation

2013-11-03 Thread François Lacombe
Hi Ole, I actually sent this mail because the main mapnik map won't be updated until the number of occurences of sub_station become low in tag-info. I think that Bredy is right saying JOSM isn't updated too but they are looking for icons to update presets. Thus, people should move to

[Tagging] Proposal - RFC - man_made=lamp

2013-11-03 Thread Manuel Hohmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, I propose the tag man_made=lamp for lamps, together with a number of additional tags for lamp type, light source, power and so on. Central motivations for this proposal are: - - Lamps are clearly visible landmarks for orientation, mainly

Re: [Tagging] New feature: amenity=creche

2013-11-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear Gilbert, Thank you for proposing this, I agree that there is a need for this tag. I also agree that creches are clearly distinct from kindergarten, so they should have different tags. Are you aware of the earlier efforts to propose this? See

Re: [Tagging] New feature: amenity=creche

2013-11-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2013-11-03 at 13:56 +, Matthijs Melissen wrote: For the native speakers: is creche the most commonly used term? Is there a difference between creche and nursery? My understanding, as a native UK English speaker, is that a nursery is somewhere that a child attends regularly, a

Re: [Tagging] New feature: amenity=creche

2013-11-03 Thread Gilbert Hangartner
Dear Matthijs, Thanks very much for pointing me to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/childcare2.0 I wasn't aware of this!!! For the rest, I tried to make it clear in the proposal how to deal with other kinds of childcare ... but I will first try to merge with childcare2.0

Re: [Tagging] Primary or Trunk?

2013-11-03 Thread fly
Am 02.11.2013 20:43, schrieb Fernando Trebien: I know that in Germany and in Argentina roads are being classified based primarily on administration level (national, regional, city, etc.). Classifying like this probably works well when the entire road system is well maintained. In Brazil,

Re: [Tagging] [Power] sub_station vs substation

2013-11-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 3 November 2013 13:48, François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu wrote: I actually sent this mail because the main mapnik map won't be updated until the number of occurences of sub_station become low in tag-info. This is exactly one of the problems I was addressing in the

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: Newsagent / Kiosk / Tobacco / TIcket shop

2013-11-03 Thread fly
Am 03.11.2013 14:29, schrieb Philip Barnes: In the UK the are called newsagents, and fit your description pretty well. W H Smith is slightly different, whilst it has news stands and small shops in railway stations and in airports, it also has larger high street shops that are principally

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: Newsagent / Kiosk / Tobacco / TIcket shop

2013-11-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 3 November 2013 14:30, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Actually, in Germany, I also know all kinds of shops. We have kiosks, newsagents and stationaries which might sell all kinds of things. That many of these shops often offer Lotto is nothing which groups them but should be tagged

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: Newsagent / Kiosk / Tobacco / TIcket shop

2013-11-03 Thread Philip Barnes
I have seen these in Germany, but the only lottery only places I have come accross in the UK are kiosks in shopping centres. I would tag that as shop=lottery. Lottery is the correct english word, I always read lotto as a brand name for particular lotteries. Phil (trigpoint) On Sun, 2013-11-03

Re: [Tagging] New feature: amenity=creche

2013-11-03 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-11-03 14:31, Gilbert Hangartner wrote : Hi there, I wrote a proposal to correctly tag "Crèches" or "Childcare-centres" or "Daycare-centrers" or "Kindertagesstätte". Thank you in advance for your comments and thoughts.

Re: [Tagging] [Power] sub_station vs substation

2013-11-03 Thread fly
Am 03.11.2013 15:11, schrieb Matthijs Melissen: On 3 November 2013 13:48, François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu wrote: I actually sent this mail because the main mapnik map won't be updated until the number of occurences of sub_station become low in tag-info. This is exactly

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: Newsagent / Kiosk / Tobacco / TIcket shop

2013-11-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/11/3 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl Do these kind of shops also exist in other countries, and how are they referred to? Which of the products that I listed do they sell? There is surely some overlap between countries, but there are also country specific specialties. A shop

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: Newsagent / Kiosk / Tobacco / TIcket shop

2013-11-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/11/3 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl What about a shop like this? http://www.hit.de/regional/partner_image/071/071_Lotto_Shop.jpg IMHO this is a kind of newsstand or travel supplies shop, offering usually candies, drinks, newspapers, magazines, tobacco and certain kinds of

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: Newsagent / Kiosk / Tobacco / TIcket shop

2013-11-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/11/3 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com Looking at the sweets below the desk and maybe some hidden beverages I would call it a kiosk. yes, the typology of offered goods is that of a kind of kiosk in Germany, but the structure clearly isn't a kiosk (maybe that's not a problem, simply don't

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: Newsagent / Kiosk / Tobacco / TIcket shop

2013-11-03 Thread fly
Am 03.11.2013 16:34, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2013/11/3 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com mailto:lowfligh...@googlemail.com Looking at the sweets below the desk and maybe some hidden beverages I would call it a kiosk. yes, the typology of offered goods is that of a kind of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Gambling

2013-11-03 Thread fly
Hey Matthijs and the all others I wonder if we should not use leisure in general and try to avoid amenity. At least for new tags and tags with low numbers leisure=* should be used. cheers fly Am 03.11.2013 13:10, schrieb Matthijs Melissen: Dear all, Based on your input during the

Re: [Tagging] New feature: amenity=creche

2013-11-03 Thread Gilbert Hangartner
Hi André, I first wrote crèche, obviously. Then I sent a mail to the mailing list, and the è was not rendered correctly. So I concluded that having a non-ascii character in a tag might be more of a nuisance … I'm french speaking and would obviously prefer a è. Can you point me to some

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: Newsagent / Kiosk / Tobacco / TIcket shop

2013-11-03 Thread sabas88
2013/11/3 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2013/11/3 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl Do these kind of shops also exist in other countries, and how are they referred to? Which of the products that I listed do they sell? There is surely some overlap between countries,

Re: [Tagging] Primary or Trunk?

2013-11-03 Thread Fernando Trebien
Hello fly, Thank you for your concern. I'm glad we agree that classification is a hard topic sometimes. First, the graph is intended for mapping within Brazil and not overseas. I don't wanna delve too deeply in the details of our discussion (it would probably be long, boring and maybe only

Re: [Tagging] Primary or Trunk?

2013-11-03 Thread fly
Hi Fernando Still think you should not change the meaning of a key but use an new/own key or even only a subkey for the other existing values considering living_street. Actually, I am in favour of deprecating living_street as it is already used for too many different cases and wrong in concept

Re: [Tagging] New feature: amenity=creche

2013-11-03 Thread Fernando Trebien
In Brazil, kids up to 5 years old can stay at either a private facility (creche) or a state-run facility (escola infantil). These are currently being mapped as kindergartens here. Preschool is a preparatory 1-year course offered by regular schools, so these are not mapped as kindergartens here.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Gambling

2013-11-03 Thread Jonathan
Wow, a very well documented RFC! Thanks in advance for your time and effort on this. Will read it and comment where appropriate. http://bigfatfrog67.me On 03/11/2013 12:10, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Dear all, Based on your input during the pre-proposal phase, I have come up with a feature

Re: [Tagging] Proposal - RFC - man_made=lamp

2013-11-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On 03.11.2013 14:52, Manuel Hohmann wrote: - There are no tags for lamp properties, such as light source and power. lamp_type has 20,000 uses and lamp_mount has 17,000; this proposal tries to replace them both? You can find the full proposal

Re: [Tagging] Proposal - RFC - man_made=lamp

2013-11-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On 03.11.2013 14:52, Manuel Hohmann wrote: In the forum it has also been suggested to start voting soon, since mapping lamps is done most easily during the dark time of the year, There is no link. Anyone can map lamps whether or not the

Re: [Tagging] Primary or Trunk?

2013-11-03 Thread Fernando Trebien
If we use a new key, no apps would support it, until the Brazilian community grows enough to start building its own apps. Indeed, as discussions progressed, we began associating importance primarily with traffic intensity and less with city connectivity. But again, we would have to measure

Re: [Tagging] Primary or Trunk?

2013-11-03 Thread Fernando Trebien
+1 (similar to our discussion here in Brazil) On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry if I've not seen the old posts on this, the wiki pages are contradictory which is why I asked the question. In the UK we are defining Trunk or Primary based on some

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: Newsagent / Kiosk / Tobacco / TIcket shop

2013-11-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 3 November 2013 15:31, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/3 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl What about a shop like this? http://www.hit.de/regional/partner_image/071/071_Lotto_Shop.jpg IMHO this is a kind of newsstand or travel supplies shop, offering

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: Newsagent / Kiosk / Tobacco / TIcket shop

2013-11-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 3 November 2013 15:26, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/3 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl Do these kind of shops also exist in other countries, and how are they referred to? Which of the products that I listed do they sell? There is surely some overlap

Re: [Tagging] Proposal - RFC - man_made=lamp

2013-11-03 Thread Andy Townsend
On 03/11/13 13:52, Manuel Hohmann wrote: You can find the full proposal for a unified lamp tagging here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/lamp This tagging has evolved from a thorough discussion in the German OSM forum:

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-GB] Primary or Trunk? PITA?

2013-11-03 Thread Jonathan
I've just googled PITA and it would appear that it stands for Pain In The Ass. The below quoted email I received to my personal email is not a snippet but the full and entire transcript I received this evening. I can't stress strongly enough how insulted, and a little scared, I feel for this

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-GB] Primary or Trunk? PITA?

2013-11-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 03.11.2013 21:51, Jonathan wrote: I've just googled PITA Please keep replies to talk-uk where this thread originated. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Gambling

2013-11-03 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:58 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: I wonder if we should not use leisure in general and try to avoid amenity. At least for new tags and tags with low numbers leisure=* should be used. +1 To spur the discussion on which key to use here are some numbers

Re: [Tagging] New feature: amenity=creche

2013-11-03 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-11-03 17:07, Gilbert Hangartner wrote : Hi André, I first wrote crèche, obviously. Then I sent a mail to the mailing list, and the è was not rendered correctly. So I concluded that having a non-ascii character in a tag might be more of a nuisance … I'm french speaking and would

Re: [Tagging] Proposal - RFC - man_made=lamp

2013-11-03 Thread Manuel Hohmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 lamp_type has 20,000 uses and lamp_mount has 17,000; this proposal tries to replace them both? Yes. Frankly, this sounds like typical astronaut tagging. A group of people got together and thought: Now what could we *possibly* want to tag about