Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Ground: natural=bare_soil)

2020-07-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 27. Jul 2020, at 13:41, Michael Montani wrote: > > I eventually found on-the-ground images of the feature I would like to > propose / map. are these suggested to be represented as polygons? How would the border be determined? I looks from the imagery as if there is

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Ground: natural=bare_soil)

2020-07-27 Thread Michael Montani
Dear all, I eventually found on-the-ground images of the feature I would like to propose / map. As you can see these areas are not sand (different granulometry), nor scree (very particular definition in natural=scree wikipage). They are not part of road, but are passable by cars. They are not

Re: [Tagging] amenity=customer_service RFC

2020-07-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 23. Juli 2020 um 15:53 Uhr schrieb Volker Schmidt : > Careful with "access". > access=customers on an office building would imply you can drive into this > building with any means of transport, provided you are a customer. > no, this does not seem to make sense. When there is a

Re: [Tagging] narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 8:37 AM Rob Savoye wrote: > The question is how to tag the change in the road. Usually it becomes > "smoothness=very_bad", etc... The question is since it's now more of a > track used by jeeps, should it be narrow=yes, still lanes=1, or should I > use width=2m ? To me,

Re: [Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 10:18 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > Date: Jul 27, 2020, 15:54 > From: ba...@ursamundi.org > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Tagging] narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width > > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 8:37 AM Rob

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-27 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 25/07/2020 16.40, Allroads wrote: The earlier mentioned, bicycle=leave This is for me, leave the bicycle behind at the sign. More native English speakers can give a comment on that? I don't know that I would guess that's what that means... (Strictly from a "what's most reasonable, ignoring

[Tagging] narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Rob Savoye
My entire county is contained within a national forest, and most of the roads through residential areas are a single lane dirt road maintained (sort-of) by the homeowners themselves. Often at the last house the road becomes an unmaintained jeep trail, usually gated, and goes a really long way

[Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Date: Jul 27, 2020, 15:54 From: ba...@ursamundi.org To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 8:37 AM Rob Savoye <> r...@senecass.com> > wrote: > >>   The question is how to tag the change in the road. Usually it

Re: [Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:21 PM Rob Savoye wrote: > Personally though, what the USFS uses to determine that difference > doesn't seem consistent, and over many years, the road conditions change > drastically due to erosion. I prefer to go there in a high-clearance > vehicle or UTV and decide

Re: [Tagging] narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Mark Wagner
On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:36:00 -0600 Rob Savoye wrote: > My entire county is contained within a national forest, and most of > the roads through residential areas are a single lane dirt road > maintained (sort-of) by the homeowners themselves. Often at the last > house the road becomes an

Re: [Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Rob Savoye
On 7/27/20 10:10 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > 3 and 4 digit forest service roads?  They're there exclusively there for > the benefit of forestry (namely logging, replanting and fire > suppression).  If they happen to help someone else get where they're > going, great, but that's not what they're

Re: [Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Rob Savoye
On 7/27/20 11:00 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > I'd go with highway=track and tracktype=*, surface=* and smoothness=* > tags as necessary.  Given how inconsistent the 3 and especially 4 digit > US forest service roads tend to be, I'd expect tracktype and smoothness > are underutilized despite their

Re: [Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Rob Savoye
On 7/27/20 9:18 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > highway=track appears to be incorrect here (but may be still correct if > it is leading to only vacation huts) It's a residential "track" to the vacation houses, often usually only used in the summer or for ski trips. After the last

Re: [Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Paul Johnson
I'd go with highway=track and tracktype=*, surface=* and smoothness=* tags as necessary. Given how inconsistent the 3 and especially 4 digit US forest service roads tend to be, I'd expect tracktype and smoothness are underutilized despite their relative importance on those roads. A big hint:

Re: [Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 27. Jul 2020, at 17:20, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > highway=track appears to be incorrect here (but may be still correct if it is > leading to > only vacation huts) these would be highway=service not track. Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Jul 27, 2020, 21:55 by r...@senecass.com: > On 7/27/20 1:04 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >>> highway=track appears to be incorrect here (but maybe still correct >>> if it is leading to only vacation huts) >>> these would be highway=service not track. >>> > > I assume if the highway has no

Re: [Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 2:56 PM Rob Savoye wrote: > On 7/27/20 1:04 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> highway=track appears to be incorrect here (but maybe still correct > >> if it is leading to only vacation huts) > >> these would be highway=service not track. > > I assume if the highway

Re: [Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Mike Thompson
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 5:07 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 2:56 PM Rob Savoye wrote: > >> On 7/27/20 1:04 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >> highway=track appears to be incorrect here (but maybe still correct >> >> if it is leading to only vacation huts) >> >> these

Re: [Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread brad
On 7/27/20 11:19 AM, Rob Savoye wrote: On 7/27/20 11:00 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: I'd go with highway=track and tracktype=*, surface=* and smoothness=* tags as necessary.  Given how inconsistent the 3 and especially 4 digit US forest service roads tend to be, I'd expect tracktype and smoothness

Re: [Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Rob Savoye
On 7/27/20 1:04 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> highway=track appears to be incorrect here (but maybe still correct >> if it is leading to only vacation huts) >> these would be highway=service not track. I assume if the highway has no name, it'd be highway=service, but if it has a county

Re: [Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 27. Jul 2020, at 21:56, Rob Savoye wrote: > > I assume if the highway has no name, it'd be highway=service, but if > it has a county name, like "Lost Gulch Road" too, wouldn't it then be > highway=residential? that’s how I would see it as well Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Mike Thompson
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 5:38 PM brad wrote: > > > > I'm in central Colorado, & around here, I agree, tracktype is not > useful, the tracks here are mostly solid, grade 2 or 3, but could be a > high clearance, or 4wd road due to rocks and ledges. > However, smoothness could, and should be

Re: [Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 27/07/2020 17.59, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Jul 27, 2020, 21:55 by r...@senecass.com: I assume if the highway has no name, it'd be highway=service, but if it has a county name, like "Lost Gulch Road" too, wouldn't it then be highway=residential? Is there a difference if it's

Re: [Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
28 Jul 2020, 06:47 by mwoehlke.fl...@gmail.com: > On 27/07/2020 17.59, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > >> Jul 27, 2020, 21:55 by r...@senecass.com: >> >>> I assume if the highway has no name, it'd be highway=service, but if >>> it has a county name, like "Lost Gulch Road" too, wouldn't