Re: [Tagging] Traffic_sign discussion

That doesn't mean no decision can never be taken. Just that as there is no way to enforce any, it is necessary to discuss it here and elsewhere to seek consensus. It is necessarily slower than the time for a commit to be merged into iD or a busy weekend retagging. Such a change can take month. Y

Re: [Tagging] Traffic_sign discussion

sent from a phone > On 10. Oct 2018, at 23:49, yo paseopor wrote: > > So this list is about the meaning but has no power or decision about how to > apply the decisions about we write here? > Is it correct? yes, I would see it like this, tagging ml has no power or decision on map data, just

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

Some Fablabs also offer tool lending, although it is much more common to see in place use https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dhackerspace On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:42 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > In California, several cities have a community “Tool Library”, a type of > lending

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

Highway=road and building=yes are used when adding features based on satellite imagery. If you know that a shop sells “food”, you can also say if it sells fresh food or nonperishables or prepared food, no? On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:42 PM Daniel Koć wrote: > W dniu 11.10.2018 o 05:08, John Will

Re: [Tagging] Arboretum - how to tag?

On 11/10/18 01:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 10. Oct 2018, at 15:10, Tobias Zwick > wrote: Well, an Arboretum is a "botanical tree garden", is it not? So why not leisure=garden (+ maybe additional tags, see wiki article)? if it is seen a

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

W dniu 11.10.2018 o 05:08, John Willis pisze: > the definition of shop=food is way way way to vague to have meaning. > it needs to be much narrower.  > > it is like shop=goods. we don’t need that either.  It's much more precise than shop=yes (which is used a lot) and I know what food is, even if I

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

the definition of shop=food is way way way to vague to have meaning. it needs to be much narrower. it is like shop=goods. we don’t need that either. > On Oct 11, 2018, at 1:10 AM, Jmapb wrote: > > > Amen! I wrote a whole spiel about this on the wiki talk page for shop=deli >

Re: [Tagging] Traffic_sign discussion

> > Tagging is for discussing the development and meaning of tags. > So this list is about the meaning but has no power or decision about how to apply the decisions about we write here? Is it correct? yopaseopor ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstree

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

In California, several cities have a community “Tool Library”, a type of lending “library” where you can check out hand tools and power tools for garden or construction projects. I believe the ones in Portland and Berkeley have no fee, and rely on volunteer labor. On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 6:13 AM Gr

Re: [Tagging] Dispensing vs vending (Was: Combined waste/recycling bins)

You should create a wiki page for your extension proposal and perhaps submit an RFC. It is also displayed in the red banner here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddog_bin Some more references: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:vending%3Dexcrement_bags https://wiki.openstree

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 06:49, Paul Allen wrote: > > I'd go with amenity=toy_library and the sub-tags, or maybe not even bother > with the sub-tags. > Not arguing!, but going back to my question about Family History libraries, I wonder whether a lot of the confusion about "what's in this "library

Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins

Just a reminder, that a bus stop which has a waste_basket, shelter and bench should be mapped as a single node with the respective tags added (bin, shelter, bench=*): https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbus_stop On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 8:12 PM SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Oc

Re: [Tagging] simply documenting tags WAS Re: hydrants

On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 09:39, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Map feature pages are for the documentation of established tags, I hope we > can agree on this? > > IMHO we should clarify that documenting ad hoc tags in the wiki (link above) > means either putting this documentation in your user spa

Re: [Tagging] Traffic_sign discussion

sent from a phone > On 10. Oct 2018, at 21:22, yo paseopor wrote: > > But I have to say I'm sorry for the misunderstanding of what a consensus is > in a tagging list... but What is a consensus in this list? actually the automated edits (which explicitly includes search and replace with too

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 9:37 PM SelfishSeahorse wrote: > AFAIK ludothèques are just called 'toy libraries' in English. > Looks like it. Although I only learned of my local toy library less than a year ago and had no idea such things existed prior to that. I see the French came up with a more s

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 9:13 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > On 10. Oct 2018, at 20:01, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > The rendering tools > > can be changed to accommodate this but, as I understand it, such changes > may greatly > > increase the processing time to render map tiles whether or not the

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

AFAIK ludothèques are just called 'toy libraries' in English. Therefore i suggest tagging them amenity=toy_library (already 125 uses by the way). Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

Here's the proposal wiki page (I hope I did it correctly): https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/toy_and_game_library I'll polish it tomorrow. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:12 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > > On 10. O

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

sent from a phone > On 10. Oct 2018, at 20:01, Paul Allen wrote: > > The rendering tools > can be changed to accommodate this but, as I understand it, such changes may > greatly > increase the processing time to render map tiles whether or not they contain > a library. not true. It makes e

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

sent from a phone > On 10. Oct 2018, at 19:11, Marc Gemis wrote: > > When I read the Wikipedia text on the osm wiki, it seems that you can > consider a car rental place as a library. This does not match the definition > of the Dutch word bibliotheek which restricts it to books and . They c

Re: [Tagging] simply documenting tags WAS Re: hydrants

sent from a phone > On 10. Oct 2018, at 18:25, bkil wrote: > > The main tag wiki pages are > cross linked from taginfo. you could make a proposal and link the key/tag page via redirect, afaik taginfo follows those redirects Cheers, Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] Traffic_sign discussion

I will explain the things from my point of view. There was a discussion about direction in traffic signs because a problem in major online editor iD. 32 messages that starts Fri, Sep 28, 4:52 AM (12 days ago) and finnish Oct 3, 2018, 12:04 AM (7 days ago) . Five days of discussion. -In the first

Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:12 PM SelfishSeahorse wrote: It would be nice if openstreetmap-carto would offer more zoom (at > least zoom level 20). There are also bus stops hidden by shelters or > shops hidden by other shops ... Not practicable with the current tile-based rendering (unless you'd l

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:10 PM bkil wrote: > > We could decompose the functions of a library as a repository and > rental/lending for books and other media, usually operating on a > monthly subscription model, sometimes sponsored by local authorities. > That would be a sensible way to do it.

Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins

On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 19:46, Paul Allen wrote: > > If I do it as one node or a single area, that is about the best that can be > done with existing > tags. The problem is it will get the icon for a waste bin, with no > indication it's also for > recycling. Fine if you use the query tool, but

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

Indeed, the Hungarian word for library ("könyvtár") can be literally translated as "book repository". We could decompose the functions of a library as a repository and rental/lending for books and other media, usually operating on a monthly subscription model, sometimes sponsored by local authorit

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 6:12 PM Marc Gemis wrote: > Yes, that is the process that you should follow. Please keep in mind the > it is easier to introduce a new tag than to redefine one. Requiring that > all current amenity=library have to be updated with a subtags library= book > will likely get

[Tagging] Dispensing vs vending (Was: Combined waste/recycling bins)

On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 00:50, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 9. Oct 2018, at 21:19, bkil wrote: > > > > amenity=waste_basket > > waste=dog_excrement > > vending=excrement_bags > > > > I've also seen waste_basket:excrement_bags=yes and fee=no, but I don't > > see much value in these at this p

Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 6:30 PM SelfishSeahorse wrote: > What about > > amenity=waste_basket > recycling:cans=yes > recycling:paper=yes > recycling:plastic=yes > If I do it as one node or a single area, that is about the best that can be done with existing tags. The problem is it will get the i

Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 16:32, Paul Allen wrote: > > A village a few miles from me (but in a different county) recently got one of > these combined litter/recycling bins: > https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2241627292737699&id=1632021387031629&__tn__=C-R > > How to tag? What about

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

Yes, that is the process that you should follow. Please keep in mind the it is easier to introduce a new tag than to redefine one. Requiring that all current amenity=library have to be updated with a subtags library= book will likely get some comments. When I read the Wikipedia text on the osm w

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

Just found out about the proposal process: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process. Should I create a wiki page and follow the steps there? ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 4:24 PM, ChameleonScales wrote: > > --- You only send this to me (probably b

Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins

Not sure, I'm only browsing taginfo and found this to be the most common tagging. On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:50 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > > > On 9. Oct 2018, at 21:19, bkil wrote: > > > > amenity=waste_basket > > waste=dog_excrement > > vending=excrement_bags > >

Re: [Tagging] simply documenting tags WAS Re: hydrants

I agree that similar to Wikipedia, we shouldn't put random, incorrect or misleading stuff in the main namespace of the OSM wiki. However, I view it as a harsh restriction to only allow documenting of established tags the the main namespace. The main tag wiki pages are cross linked from taginfo. I

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

On 10/10/2018 6:14 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: shop=food. This tag has not yet been approved Approved by whom? I approved it yesterday! Those should be 1. shop=deli, Have you done a survey? Adding "Deli" to a shop name does not make it a delicatessen. Amen! I wrote a whole spiel about this on

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

Then there's also https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ashop%3Dnutrition_supplements depending on main profile On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:17 PM Andy Mabbett wrote: > > On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 03:33, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > [...] > > shop=food. This tag has not yet been approved > > Appr

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

> --- You only send this to me (probably by accident). --- Indeed, fixed. > we do not want data consumers that does not understand the library-subkey to > treat a toys_and_games as a book-library. That's partly why I proposed to rewrite the definition of the library tag and make it correspond

Re: [Tagging] Arboretum - how to tag?

sent from a phone > On 10. Oct 2018, at 15:10, Tobias Zwick wrote: > > Well, an Arboretum is a "botanical tree garden", is it not? So why not > leisure=garden (+ maybe additional tags, see wiki article)? if it is seen as garden, I would use garden:type=arboretum From actual usage, the only

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

--- You only send this to me (probably by accident). --- AFAIK, we do not use a colon in the values. If you want to indicate a subcategory, it goes in a subkey. so amenity=library;library=toys_and_games But in this case we do not want data consumers that does not understand the library-subkey

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

> 2: Having been a toy & game librarian, I can say that these establishments > are already suffering the misconception that they are only there for > children, so reducing their name to "toy libraries" would hardly make it > better. If we used french language there would be nothing to argue abou

Re: [Tagging] Arboretum - how to tag?

Well, an Arboretum is a "botanical tree garden", is it not? So why not leisure=garden (+ maybe additional tags, see wiki article)? On 10/10/2018 11:47, Warin wrote: > Hi > > I have an arboretum, Way: Arboretum (628753725), that is part of a > nature reserve and within a tree covered area. I assum

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

Thanks for your response. I have 2 problems with this: 1: Although the OSM wiki [acknowledged](https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=library) the broadness of the word "library" according to Wikipedia, it still focused [the tag value](https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Ed

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local networks

Hi, Le mer. 10 oct. 2018 à 01:09, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : > Massive job, thanks Francois! :-) > > Question for you pleasse. > You're welcome > Following on from the discussion re towers & masts, I've just mapped a > couple of mobile phone towers. > > What should we call the base station

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local networks

In this proposal we use "telecom" key, but i would like to know what is the limit/definition of this key ? Does it englobe internet provider, tv provider and mobile provider (even if the company does only one of them which is rarer today) ? Or only some of those ? My question come from the wiki pa

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 03:33, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > [...] > shop=food. This tag has not yet been approved Approved by whom? > I checked overpass turbo in London, New York, and San Franciso. The > latter had no uses; London has the most. The first few shop=food on > the list are > > 1. “Nana’

[Tagging] Arboretum - how to tag?

Hi I have an arboretum, Way: Arboretum (628753725), that is part of a nature reserve and within a tree covered area. I assume that there is more than one species of tree. How to correctly tag it? At the moment it has landuse=yes (what brought it to my attention) name=Arboretum Clearly bot

[Tagging] simply documenting tags WAS Re: hydrants

sent from a phone > On 10. Oct 2018, at 08:07, bkil wrote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_Practice#Document_your_custom-tags I believe this paragraph needs some clarification, currently it reads “When you use tags yourself that aren't on map features, give other mappers a chan

Re: [Tagging] Game and toy library

On 10/10/18 09:47, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 08:04, Paul Allen > wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:24 PM ChameleonScales mailto:chameleonsca...@protonmail.com>> wrote: amenity:library=game_and_toy When I added one of thes