to the ways that make up the road or the
> cycle route.
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> accommodate boats (even if no longer used in that way).
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+1. I have noticed this misuse of "canal" before.
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afe' is very definitely
not restricted to places selling coffee. The distinction between
fast-food and cafe' and even low end restaurants is a bit hazy.
Fast-food is a fairly recent phase in British English, I think. Not
precisely defined, but mainly for fr
jective
describing the end of a waterway, I suppose. It is quite intuitive and
descriptive. Maybe a tag along those lines: "dissipates" or some such?
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cases.
Of course, changesets need to have some overall source infomation, but
that is necessarily coarse except for small cahnges perhaps.
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> > On 26. Jul 2020, at 23:58, ael wrote:
> >
> > Adding such source tags to a changeset seldom makes sense.
> > Most of my changesets are a mixture of local knowledge, surveys, gps,
> &g
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 12:40:58PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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> > On 30. Jul 2020, at 10:39, ael wrote:
> >
> > often without survey, and then do not update the source, so
> > that tag becomes completely misleading.
>
> that’s what happens all
d tag.
>
> Hi David -- My feeling is that often highway=service, without a
> service=* tag, is a useful and valid tagging practice.
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> Am Mi., 16. Sept. 2020 um 12:36 Uhr schrieb ael :
>
> > Yes. ISTR that the last time I tried to mark a crossing, zebra wasn't a
> > option in the presets. But my memeory may be at fault.
> >
>
o
amenity=battery_swapping;charging_station.
I don't know why there are objections to multiple values, but that
multiple tagging seems to be the most accurate if the community accepts
it.
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e covered
by the water (to a first approximation). But on reflection, even that
may not be true for some sections of a beach. Portions that may be
exposed at low tide could even have a negative slope, and still be a
(hazardous) beach.
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in many
cases include a small office.
I could never see the point in tagging offices which are of no intrinsic
interest except perhaps to office equipment suppliers.
But that is just my native UK viewpoint.
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But my point was that as I understood things, the office tag was typically used
to indicate a place of business, rather than a real office which may or
may not included.
Of course, I have no problem with tagging significant real offices with
the office tag.
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s. It might
gradually evole and get used properly and gradually outnumber the old
misused office tag. Should not be too onerous for data consumers?
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an needing a
precise definition. But do we have any generic terms already? Unless
you just mean office.
When I am mapping, I often find businesses that offer some service or
other which may be of interest to some map users. I have been tagging
them as "business" as I can'
On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 10:46:45PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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> > On 17. Aug 2019, at 22:36, ael wrote:
> >
> > But do we have any generic terms already? Unless
> > you just mean office.
>
>
> businesses can already be found in amenity (e.g.
clearly distinct way, and
the documentation clearly notes the other use and indicates how they are
distinguished, I guess it would be OK.
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So you are overlooking the full semantics of the shop=trade tag.
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> >
> Why? It can be added to any shop,
> not only ones tagged with shop=trade.
>
> Though I agree "sells" would be a probably
> more clear name.
Again, sel
use shop
as the primary tag for such a place.
The point is to indicate the sort of tagging already established for the
trade tag, rather than to suggest anyone do that.
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a reason why I am concerned that shop=yes is not being rendered
in some cases. shop=yes seems a reasonable tag when there are no obvious
tags.
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gt; shop=dairy and
> > dairy=milk_shake
And we have established
amenity=ice_cream,
but shop=dairy and
dairy=ice_cream
would seem more logical, aside from the fact that some "ice_creams"
don't contain much of a diary component. I digress
ael, confused tagger.
_
es and beverage=milk_shake, but adding
cuisine=milk_shake (I suspect singular is better) can't do anything but
good.
I will settle on that until someone comes up with anything better.
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> Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 15:52, ael wrote:
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> > Sounds a good idea. I have just switched it to
> > shop=beverages and beverage=milk_shake, but adding
> >
>
> beverage=* is logical but not document
after all the suggestions, I have ended up with a surfeit of tags!
amenity=cafe
cuisine=milk_shake
shop=beverages
drink=milk_shake
and perhaps the drink needs adjusting, or perhaps not.
If forced to choose, I would remove the shop part: it seems nearer to
well known terms in the UK, so I would think they are valid
and useful tags.
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) as well as more globally.
Even if one local mapper with special local knowledge tags something
only understood in a very small area, it is still improving the map.
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> I would suggest it is not necessary to replace the simple node with a
> circular way. I think it is perfectly acceptable if it is considered as a
> simple turn instead of negotiating a roundabout, from a routing perspective.
> An ins
ers of Corpus and
possibly also of Christ Church. I will try to remember to check
sometime. The "College Park" is, of course, "Christ Church Meadow".
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tower:construction=concealed . I suspect that
scheme did not exist back then. Perhaps I might add it sometime and use
it in future now that I am aware of it.
Your lack of results might just be because I am not the only one who
had not come across this tag b
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 01:28:04PM -0800, Eric Theise wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 1:17 PM ael wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 01:00:29PM -0800, Eric Theise wrote:
> > > tower:type=communication
> > > tower:construction=concealed
> > >
>
have a generic tag for waymarks, although there are lots of special
cases like milestons. Perhaps we should have a waymark tag with subtags
for material and orientation?
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s "Ostsee", etc.
>
>
> > Please support (vote) my proposal or write a reason why not.
>
> For the count, +1 against.
And another +1, against.
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ation, usually accurate gps,
on one element, but not the others with shared nodes. It is painful,
time-consuming and tedious to have to separate the ways. Often I just
don't bother and risk degrading previous information. But if people will
share nodes, then it's too bad.
The overhead in
On Thu, Feb 06, 2020 at 12:22:13AM +, marc marc wrote:
> i have in mind the proposal diaper<>changing table: totally ok for the
Eh, except that OSM is supposed to use British English, and "diaper"
should be nappy.
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s, it
But the point is that in current British usage, the vast majority of
fountains are "drinking_water=no". The natural meaning is a decorative
feature in most contexts.
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azon people do seem to be adding unnecessary and
unsurveyed surface=asphalt tags to many roads in the UK which I find
quite irritating.
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A conventions.
One reason that I find it irritating is where I have mapped roads very
accurately and then armchair mappers come along with poorly aligned
imagery with parallax errors and think they know better. So when I see
any change in such places, I usu
ways), which is why
asphalt is still a reasonable default. I would expect an explicit
tag for anything which is not asphalt. Again we are talking about the
UK here.
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> to the list.
No, "diapers" is not British English: "nappies" .
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> I think that by default bollards are not removable, and that if a bollard
> is not tagged as removable, it is reasonable to assume it's not removable.
+1
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refer to it as a square. I would certainly find such a
description bizarre. But then I wouldn't naturally call it a plaza
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> On 28.03.2020 12:45, ael wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:58:00PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> > > Piccadilly Circus (note the different word).
> > > Is this a town square for British people? I
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 07:59:40PM +, Pierre Béland via Tagging wrote:
> But I dont agree to deprecate the the leisure=common tag for Africa.
+1
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to negotiate.
I think a "road" normally implies navigation with a standard vehicle is
possible. In general that implies at least some sort of paving. I would
not be happy if someone changed a UK track into something else unless
they have established that it had a proper surface
Cornwall to flag open mine shafts, and in
one case to warn of dangerous (illegal) dogs on a right of way through a
farmyard.
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igation is not high except in some special cases. The
unqualified word "ditch" would normally be understood as an artificial
unlined and usually small watercourse. But also, in certain contexts,
for a historic trench acting as a defense or fence, not necessarily
containing wate
lk
Broads. But normally drains and canals are quite distinct, so it would
be unnatural in British English to remove drain. Yes, I do realise that
the word canal is derived from channel. That sort of usage still
applies in dentistry, as in a root-canal procedur
he point: it would be unnatural to tag
them as canals! Some might overlap with culverts?
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terms. I am not familiar with any special terms for fountains: I would
expect a phrase like "piped supply" in most (underground) cases.
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> On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 21:24, EthnicFood IsGreat <
> ethnicfoodisgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have been tagging them as drains, because they
> > are too small to be called a stream, and they are not artificial, so
> > they are not di
esidential it
> cant be a unclassified.
How have you come to that conclusion? It flatly contradicts the normal
meaning. Perhaps your local area uses the term "unclassified" in a way
different from the OSM convention?
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t of the interconnection grid,
> while a residential road is not
My reply was going to be much the same. Unclassified roads are generally
for "through traffic". Residential raods are primarily for access to
those buildings, and would not (norm
classified" means you don't know the class;
> No. The tag highway=road says that the class is unknown.
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I have been
bemused by the use of "platform" to describe a typical bus stop.
Very definitely not BE in normal usage. I have wondered why other
British English speakers have not commented. Maybe like me, they didn't
feel strongly enough to intervene.
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On Sun, Apr 08, 2018 at 12:09:58AM +0200, "Christian Müller" wrote:
> > Sent: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 22:51:40 +0100
> > From: ael
> > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Still RFC — Drop stop positions and platforms
> >
> > > If
On Sun, Apr 08, 2018 at 12:09:58AM +0200, "Christian Müller" wrote:
> > Sent: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 22:51:40 +0100
> > From: ael
> > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Still RFC — Drop stop positions and platforms
> >
> > > If
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> > Sent: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 22:51:40 +0100
> > From: ael
> > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Still RFC — Drop stop positions and platforms
> >
> > > If
On Sun, Apr 08, 2018 at 01:45:31PM +0100, Paul Allen wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 12:49 PM, ael wrote:
>
> >
> > In the context of buses, it tends to refer to the part of the vehicle
> > where people may stand to alight or board.
> >
> > In my part of the U
guess the water is natural, even if the pond is
artificial. That and water=storage_pond; covered=no ??
Ugly.
Is there a good solution to this common situation?
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> Have you looked at: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:basin ?
>
> On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 7:47 PM, ael wrote:
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> > I am uncertain how to tag the sorts of flood defense storage ponds
> > that see
ething through a
> hatch).
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In British English, a lounge first and foremost is a room in a private
dwelling. Other uses have "leaked in" from other dialets and while now
fairly well understood in a limited number of contexts, they are still
unnatural.
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On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 03:12:49PM +0100, Philip Barnes wrote:
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>
> On 10 June 2018 14:26:06 BST, ael wrote:
> >> I am firmly, solidly and unswervingly opposed to "lounge" for this
> >proposal.
> >
> >+1
> >
> >In British English, a lo
not the according landing field.
>
> I would setup a proposal for
>
> office=helicopter_service
>
> Of course, any other solutions are welcome as well :-)
>
> How are You thinking about this?
I think it is not an office. An office is primary a place f
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 01:26:37AM +0200, Yves wrote:
> Why adding 'platform' where there's no physical platform?
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uction nature could be used as a fish_pass?
A fish pass near me is quite different to any other sort of waterway:
the nearest 'usage' might be a spillway. But what is the main tag?
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to be used rather rarely. Perhaps it is not in editor presets?
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te common, and I am sure I have seen them
with a dedicated tag. No doubt someone else will chip in the proper
tags.
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> On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 8:10 PM ael wrote:
>
> There are tags for caves in general and could be applied to a sea cave.
> But the only way the
> cave tags can be applied to a collapsed sea cave is to pretend the colla
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that mkgmap needs a very large investment in time to understand how to
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On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 04:14:33PM +, Jonathan wrote:
> Wikipedia suggests a gatehouse as a medieval construction:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatehouse
>
> building=gatehouse has been used 19 times, but in what context I don't know.
+1. Agree that it is might be ambiguous.
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ground" where there are sections of soil (which
may be covered with vegetation for some parts of the year) and maybe be
rocky with sections of sand and gravel. I have just been mapping some
paths and tracks on Bodmin Moor which have all these characteristics
and no one tag seems really descriptive.
ae
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>
> Have to disagree here. There are plenty of real uses for reversing a
> way, and not everyone uses JOSM.
>
> Colin
+1 from someone who does use JOSM.
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anyone else make this point. As far as I can see,
the only solution is to source-tag each object. Is there another
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not-tags, but I don't and it would take too much time to check
everything.
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Landuse doesn't seem to fit very well when we have these (general) shop
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ll we or not?" isn't going anywhere and
normal mappers just won't add explicit tags in normal circumstances.
You need a different approach and maybe what I say above can start the
ball rolling.
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in shop=trade may not feel quite right for the places you
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ining multiple shops. as
another post said, landuse=retail (or building=retail?) is surely far better.
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s the best
I can do OTTOMH, but omits the implication that it is roughly
horizontal. Or since I guess it will almost always be a node, then
mine_access_passage_entrance?? Of course, that suggests adit_entrance
as well.
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probably better. I, for one, would be uncomfortable
using a tag "kids_area".
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> phrase used in the thread subject should actually be kids' areas.
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had caravan holidays inflicted upon me as a child, "Elsan*
> disposal point" was the usual term, though that was many years ago.
I have been wondering if I was the only native UK English speaker
who finds the term "dump-station" unintuitive and opaque. I als
ems obvious and transparent to everyone everywhere?
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I navigated to them long ago.
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> On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 11:08:44AM +0100, Friedrich Volkmann wrote:
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/register
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> > This is for books where people enter their names, routes and comments. These
t; even when no rails are present?
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> Hi ael,
>
> Am 2015-03-09 um 15:22 schrieb ael:
> > I have resorted to changing railway=abandoned to railway=disused
> > on several occasions just to get mapnik and friends to render
> > bridges. Br
On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 04:14:58PM +0100, Michael Reichert wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am 2015-03-09 um 16:06 schrieb ael:
> > Well, I have only changed the tag on the bridges themselves, and only on
> > ways for which I did the original (and usually any subsequent) survey
>
her rendering (none of which seem to show these bridges).
But they are not going to find all the other OSM based maps without
digging fairly deeply. It is a pity that there isn't a prominent
page in the wiki listing all/many of the other maps. Yes, I know it is a
wiki, so I ought
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 08:50:36AM +1100, Warin wrote:
> On 10/03/2015 1:22 AM, ael wrote:
> >I have resorted to changing railway=abandoned to railway=disused
> >on several occasions just to get mapnik and friends to render
> >bridges. Bridges over roads and rivers are major
shop=trade would be taged as wholesale which is something
normally quite different.
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nt countries.
In the EU, I think that will mean VAT-exclusive prices, but in most
places at least also reduced prices since a business will order
raesonable volume over time. In some cases that may approach wholesale
prices. But this is different to wholesalers to refer back to an
earlier post.
ael
several types of stop cocks available...
> etc.
>
> A trade shop may accept walk in customers .. but give them retail prices
> where as a trade person would get trade price.
> Some trades are protected by law and a trade shop may refuse sales based on
> that .. usu
t for which there are no obvious tags (except
maybe factories). I sometimes just show a building with the name matching
the company as a compromise.
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