Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-20 Thread Warin
On 20/12/20 6:32 pm, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Dec 20, 2020, 00:01 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: On 20/12/20 6:45 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Is there some good use for sport=shooting_range? Or is it always preferable to use sport=shooting +

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Warin
On 20/12/20 6:45 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Is there some good use for sport=shooting_range? Or is it always preferable to use sport=shooting + leisure=pitch? This is a request to review this edit

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Warin
On 20/12/20 9:24 am, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: I've seen these in the US also, but I never knew what they were called.  I understand that the purpose of them is simply to make noise when a car drives over them, as they don't slow you down in any appreciable way like a speed bump/hump. We

Re: [Tagging] RFC: vaccination / COVID-19 vaccination centres

2020-12-02 Thread Warin
On 2/12/20 8:57 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Mi., 2. Dez. 2020 um 10:45 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>>: In the UK it looks like the heath service (NHS) will contact eligible individuals and probably arrange a ti

Re: [Tagging] RFC: vaccination / COVID-19 vaccination centres

2020-12-02 Thread Warin
On 30/11/20 10:21 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 30. Nov 2020, at 10:46, Florian Lohoff wrote: Yes please - I can see planning coming up for vaccinations centers here in Germany and these are not planned in hospitals but in vacant commercial buildings which have loads

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-12-01 Thread Warin
On 2/12/20 6:41 am, Philip Barnes wrote: On Tue, 2020-12-01 at 17:55 +0100, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Given "in the field they may also look like trails." it seems to not be solvable. How mappers are supposed to distinguish them from normal paths? Humans are animals, mammals to

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 134, Issue 130 animal tracks ?

2020-12-01 Thread Warin
On 1/12/20 11:29 pm, Paul Allen wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 at 11:57, St Niklaas > wrote: A horse track is not a good choice to tend to walk on foot, it already has its own tag bridle way. There is a difference between tracks worn by wild animals and

Re: [Tagging] How to tag for dualband GPS ?

2020-12-01 Thread Warin
On 1/12/20 9:36 pm, Colin Smale wrote: On 2020-12-01 11:14, Warin wrote: The differences are less than 10m. (The points of the green track are where data exists, the straight lines between those points simply connect the measured points. ) The 'simplify way' in JOSM is normal set

Re: [Tagging] How to tag for dualband GPS ?

2020-12-01 Thread Warin
On 1/12/20 9:43 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 1. Dec 2020, at 11:18, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: The 'Auto' setting may not be 'optimal' for what you want, but as a compromise between data bloat and resolution/accuracy it maybe better than a fixe

Re: [Tagging] How to tag for dualband GPS ?

2020-12-01 Thread Warin
On 1/12/20 5:07 pm, Andrea Mazzoleni wrote: Think your confusing two terms; resolution, accuracy I understand that you mean, but check this detail: https://ibb.co/7ycFW5J At least my impression is that the 1Sec is also more accurate. It's obviously only a single test, and the recording

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread Warin
On 1/12/20 11:06 am, Casper Van Battum wrote: I believe access=no would apply for this specific situation, in the sense that the organization mentioned doesn't want people walking on the trails. I'm guessing it's either protected land or private property these trails are on. Since the

Re: [Tagging] COVID-19 vaccination centres

2020-11-30 Thread Warin
On 1/12/20 12:24 am, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 30. Nov 2020, at 12:56, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: I would assume the location of these mass vaccination centers would be widely publicized and the locations identified. Do they need further identifi

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread Warin
On 1/12/20 10:36 am, Lukas Richert wrote: I wouldn't tag this as foot=no or access=no. There are many trails in my area that are clearly animal tracks and seldom used by people - but it is allowed for people to walk on these and they are sometimes significant shortcuts so allowing routing

Re: [Tagging] How to tag for dualband GPS ?

2020-11-30 Thread Warin
AM Andrea Mazzoleni mailto:amadva...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 12:27 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote: If the intention is to indicate the error/accuracy/uncertainty then tag/state that.

Re: [Tagging] COVID-19 vaccination centres

2020-11-30 Thread Warin
On 19/11/20 6:59 am, Tom Pfeifer wrote: With the first Covid-19 vaccines getting approved, many municipalities are planning facilities for administering mass vaccination. In Berlin, the two former airports Tegel and Tempelhof are planned, along with some sports facilities. This raises the

Re: [Tagging] How to tag for dualband GPS ?

2020-11-30 Thread Warin
On 30/11/20 8:45 am, Andrea Mazzoleni wrote: Hi, I bought a tracking device that supports GPS dualband (also called dual frequency) for high precision mapping, and I'm wondering if I can put this information in the "source" tag. The intention is to make future mappers consider the device

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Large fire perimeter tagging?

2020-09-29 Thread Warin
On 27/9/20 5:51 pm, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: I am a bit dubious about value of updating fire=perimeter It is something that changes extremely quickly, we should not encourage people to survey perimeter of ACTIVE fire, OSM is doomed to be strictly worse source of fire perimeter than

Re: [Tagging] Rail segment in a bike route

2020-08-31 Thread Warin
On 31/8/20 8:25 am, Volker Schmidt wrote: Keep it simple, if the simple solution does not limit you. Agreed. I see no reason why a way as a member of a simple route relation could not have the role 'transport'. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] tagging for fairgrounds

2020-08-27 Thread Warin
On 28/8/20 8:05 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 at 05:31, Richard Welty > wrote: again in the US, state and county fairgrounds are permanent facilities which function as event space when the fair is not actually going on. the

Re: [Tagging] Hands Off !, respect my (our) space

2020-08-25 Thread Warin
On 25/8/20 11:37 pm, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 25/08/2020 06.04, Paul Allen wrote: On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 06:38, Warin wrote: Off list. It looks like you accidentally Bcc'd the list. It looks like Warin tried to send it to "80hnhtv4agou---" without noticing that address is

Re: [Tagging] Hands Off !, respect my (our) space

2020-08-24 Thread Warin
Off list. This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TAGGING LIST. Desist. On 25/8/20 12:50 am, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging wrote: In ID, on your profile page is, Other nearby users, and the home location, map the point is other locals based on my (our) edits know where we (I) live, but come 

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - kerb=regular

2020-08-22 Thread Warin
On 22/8/20 12:56 am, Supaplex wrote: I see that I have probably chosen an unfavorable solution to solve the problem described. Many seem to accept the basic problem: There is only one qualitative category for all kerbs with a height of over ~3 cm, although in reality there is a significant

Re: [Tagging] tourism=caravan_site versus tourism=camp_site: camping with a tent

2020-08-17 Thread Warin
On 15/8/20 10:54 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: But what do you do for a place, called a Camping Ground, that is a big area of grass, mostly without defined "pitches" & where you can camp anyway you like: sleep in your car; on the ground; in a tent / camper trailer / caravan / motorhome?

Re: [Tagging] tourism=caravan_site versus tourism=camp_site: camping with a tent

2020-08-16 Thread Warin
On 15/8/20 4:49 am, Hidde Wieringa wrote: Good day, I am having trouble with the tourism tags caravan_site and camp_site, specifically for the use case of finding a place to camp with a tent (so not a caravan or a camper van). My goal is to differentiate the two tags. Both tags allow

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Re[2]: PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-10 Thread Warin
... unless someone improves them. Monday, August 10, 2020 9:33 PM -05:00 from Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: On 11/8/20 9:25 am, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging wrote: one of the points that i talked about, that no one has answered yet is what about someone not local w

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Re[2]: PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-10 Thread Warin
On 11/8/20 9:25 am, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging wrote: one of the points that i talked about, that no one has answered yet is what about someone not local who just puts 400 + unverified stops on platforms and there all wrong. If you find something wrong - correct it. If the things mapped

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-10 Thread Warin
heavy after that. 2020-08-10 09:20 skrev Warin: [...] Why is the front of the vehicle (bus, train, ferry.. and possibly others) mapped? Would it not be better to map the thing most usefull to most people? That would be where passengers get on/off, on multiple exit vehicles like train

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Takeaway drinks shops

2020-08-10 Thread Warin
On 8/8/20 8:29 am, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I still believe shop=bubble_tea is suitable, as these are specific shops where you can get only bubble tea. Although bubble tea is something to drink, I would rather think of it as a specific kind of sweets, than as a shop where you can get a

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-10 Thread Warin
On 8/8/20 10:54 am, Andy Townsend wrote: Hello, This is a question that actually arose out of a "how to tag" argument that's come to the attention of the DWG in the USA, but it's actually easy to describe in terms of data in the UK that I'm familiar with, so I'll do that.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Ground: natural=bare_soil)

2020-08-04 Thread Warin
On 4/8/20 7:17 am, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Everyone, the voting period for natural=bare_ground is still open for 4 more days. I would recommend voting "no" on the current definition, unfortunately. As mentioned above, the current definition is far too broad, and could easily be construed to

Re: [Tagging] kerb=regular vs. raised

2020-08-02 Thread Warin
On 2/8/20 5:41 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 2. Aug 2020, at 03:55, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Much easier to tag the numerical height of the curb as this avoids the confusion of words, particularly with different languages, cultures and cl

Re: [Tagging] kerb=regular vs. raised

2020-08-01 Thread Warin
On 31/7/20 12:42 am, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: In Indonesia, Costa Rica, Peru and Mexico, it is common to find 30cm kerbs in older neighborhoods. In Nicaragua there were some that were at least 45 cm high, in Leon or Granada. Tropical countries with heavy rainfall often do this to avoid

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - UPRN & USRN

2020-07-26 Thread Warin
On 27/7/20 5:58 am, Rob Nickerson wrote: Hi all, Mappers in the United Kingdom are looking to agree two tags for mapping 'Unique Property Reference Numbers' and 'Unique Street Reference Numbers'. To support this effort I volunteered to create the relevant proposal pages on the wiki. To

Re: [Tagging] Farmlands subject to rotation of crops

2020-07-23 Thread Warin
On 22/7/20 12:53 am, Michael Montani wrote: Dear all, I wanted to check with you which is the best way to map farmlands subject to rotation of crops. An example could be of a farmland used for general crop in one part of the year and left it at rest for the remaining part of the year, being

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-22 Thread Warin
On 21/7/20 9:04 pm, Michal Fabík wrote: Hi, in some parts of the world, it's common practice to paint guidepost information (destinations, distances etc.) on rock faces, trees, walls and similar existing surfaces, rather than use purpose-made plates attached to a pole. (Example:

Re: [Tagging] Tagging motorcycle parking

2020-07-22 Thread Warin
On 23/7/20 6:42 am, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 22/07/2020 16.32, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Mi., 22. Juli 2020 um 21:11 Uhr schrieb Matthew Woehlke: Right now the only option seems to be to model the lot as two separate entities, one which excludes the motorcycle spaces, and one which is

Re: [Tagging] Edited the wiki for building=terrace

2020-07-18 Thread Warin
On 18/7/20 3:29 pm, Skyler Hawthorne wrote: Hi everyone, A couple weeks ago, I started a thread regarding how to tag terrace buildings when the entire building has a name. I proposed an alternative tagging scheme to handle such cases, and others where it's clear that the building is one

Re: [Tagging] Intermittent highways?

2020-07-15 Thread Warin
On 15/7/20 5:07 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 15. Jul 2020, at 00:49, Justin Tracey wrote: If the festival is held at some date expressible using the opening hours syntax, you could use the "open hours" tag[0] or add conditions to the "access" tags I would not

Re: [Tagging] Intermittent highways?

2020-07-14 Thread Warin
I too would suggest opening_hours. Seasonal is related to the climate and the climate does vary from one year to the next and may be why the tag has a 'loose description'. An annual festival is not usually held for an entire climatic season, so I would not use it for them. Similar argument

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-13 Thread Warin
Most Australian deserts cannot be mapped as a consistent land cover but as a patchwork combination of differing land covers. As such mapping the land cover is a time intensive task and given the usefulness of such information compared to other priorities is not something that would be done any

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-10 Thread Warin
On 10/7/20 9:30 pm, Peter Elderson wrote: Looks like humus is a component of soil. So I think soil covers it, being a top layer consisting of mixed organic and mineral matter. To me it is hard to imagine an area as permanently natural=bare_soil. Wouldn't there always be some kind of

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-09 Thread Warin
On 9/7/20 12:44 am, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 8. Jul 2020, at 16:17, Matthew Woehlke wrote: Really? If Alice and Bob each own 50% of "Fairview Heights Apartments", you would expect that there are legal property records indicating exactly which half of said complex is

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

2020-06-30 Thread Warin
On 30/6/20 11:16 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 30. Jun 2020, at 15:08, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Is there some chance that any of them is valid? IMHO not, these are likely autocompletion bloopers. Highly likely these are errors. However it is not

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-20 Thread Warin
On 20/6/20 9:35 am, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 20. Jun 2020, at 00:59, Joseph Guillaume wrote: I just wanted to emphasise that this proposal isn't really about whether to tag qanats - it's about whether to tag them with man_made=qanat or waterway=canal+canal=qanat.

Re: [Tagging] Rail segment in a bike route

2020-06-19 Thread Warin
Normal OSM access is assumed to be access=yes, where some access is restricted then in OSM it should be marked *=no. So where a train forbids bicycle transport then bicycle=no should be applied or some local default of bicycle=no on trains be documented. Locally to me some trains require the

Re: [Tagging] charging stations

2020-06-15 Thread Warin
On 15/6/20 10:26 pm, Paul Allen wrote: On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 at 10:29, Johannes Werner via Tagging mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>> wrote: cable=yes/no/length seems like a great idea. It does however not solve OPs problem that a cable is not a socket. However, a cable at a charging

Re: [Tagging] bicycle_parking=? for stands where handlebar is used to hold bicycle in position

2020-06-15 Thread Warin
On 16/6/20 4:30 am, Hidde Wieringa wrote: Good evening, In the region where I live there are 657 objects tagged with amenity=bicycle_parking, of which 457 have no bicycle_parking tag at all. I would say that classification of the bicycle_parking is undertagged in general.  Under tagged,

Re: [Tagging] nhd tags - documentation page review

2020-06-14 Thread Warin
Try https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/3382975 ~ 10 years ago. On 15/6/20 7:52 am, Jo wrote: If you enabled expert mode, you can download from Overpass directly into JOSM. Polyglot On Sun, Jun 14, 2020, 23:29 Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>> wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Warin
On 14/6/20 10:59 pm, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer: == Warin, can you give an example for something historic that is not there any more in reality and should be removed from OpenStreetMap? Through all the years I have never encountered anything like this mapped

Re: [Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-14 Thread Warin
On 15/6/20 1:09 am, Volker Schmidt wrote: Regarding power lines: it is helpful mapping razed power lines as razed and not removing them completely, because in many cases some of the satellite pictures still show the towers, or at least the concrete foundations. This way you avd resurrection.

Re: [Tagging] Charging stations

2020-06-14 Thread Warin
On 15/6/20 1:37 am, patata wrote: Currently socket:type1 and socket:type2 are not clarifying if the station has a cable or we must bring our own. Since the connector is not necessarily a socket, Agreed. it is being discussed on our telegram group https://t.me/openchargemap to change all

Re: [Tagging] Replace the "DecoTurf" value

2020-06-13 Thread Warin
On 13/6/20 7:03 am, Steve Lee wrote: "DecoTurf" is not a common name, but a brand name. It  is also not a genericized trademark. We may need a broader term to classify surfaces. "Hardcourt" seems to be used exclusively for tennis courts, literally does not refer to a certain material. However,

Re: [Tagging] Features underwater (inside reservoirs)

2020-06-10 Thread Warin
On 10/6/20 11:12 pm, Paul Allen wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 02:13, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 9/6/20 9:30 pm, Paul Allen wrote: From those, it appears that the condition is free-form text except for cases like o

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

2020-06-09 Thread Warin
To me in OSM a 'path' has always been too narrow for a motor car (4WD or not) to pass. If it is wide enough for a car then it is not a 'path' in OSM so they must be tagged in some other way. Descriptions of 'path': On 10/6/20 5:53 am, brad wrote: "If a path is wide enough for

Re: [Tagging] Features underwater (inside reservoirs)

2020-06-09 Thread Warin
On 9/6/20 9:30 pm, Paul Allen wrote: On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 at 09:24, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote: But :conditional = yes @ some text does not meet the specification of :conditional as per the wiki. From https://wiki.openstreet

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-09 Thread Warin
On 9/6/20 6:46 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 9. Jun 2020, at 03:40, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Similar for Roamn and Saxon sites, if there is something present today, map it... nothing there then nothing on OSM, put it in OHM Warin, can you give an e

Re: [Tagging] Features underwater (inside reservoirs)

2020-06-09 Thread Warin
On 9/6/20 1:10 pm, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 22:13, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: On 8/6/20 10:14 pm, Paul Allen wrote: access=no access:conditional=yes @ (above water) Conditional key does not look to have text base entry ... might be better t

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-08 Thread Warin
On 9/6/20 12:10 pm, Jack Armstrong wrote: On 8/6/20 10:57 pm, Volker Schmidt wrote: The point is they are no longer 'in our environment' .. they are gone, no longer here, vanished. At times this discussion reminds me of a heated argument over whether a thing was a dead parrot

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Heavily-wooded residential polygons

2020-06-08 Thread Warin
On 8/6/20 10:16 pm, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Jun 6, 2020, 06:20 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: On 3/6/20 7:22 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Jun 2, 2020, 20:16 by stevea...@softworkers.com : "this IS residential

Re: [Tagging] Features underwater (inside reservoirs)

2020-06-08 Thread Warin
On 8/6/20 10:14 pm, Paul Allen wrote: On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 10:33, Cornelis > wrote: With these tags and the surrounding footways the bridge is treatey as normal (foot)way by OSRM and graphhopper, altough it only falls dry roughly every other autumn. Is

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing, importance of trails in OSM

2020-06-08 Thread Warin
On 9/6/20 12:15 am, Paul Allen wrote: On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 14:48, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>> wrote: Jun 8, 2020, 15:05 by pla16...@gmail.com : The whole world is dangerous.  Just label the entire planet as

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-08 Thread Warin
On 8/6/20 10:57 pm, Volker Schmidt wrote: Warin, Jack, your comments are really off my main point. We have an unfinished mailing-list thread where we have different opinions on whether a razed (on the ground) railway can be mapped in OSM. In the middle of that discussion the abandoned railway

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing, importance of trails in OSM

2020-06-07 Thread Warin
On 31/5/20 9:20 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Yes, there are 1000 things in the Australian bush that'll kill you :-), but none of them will actually eat you! (not even Drop Bears! https://australianmuseum.net.au/learn/animals/mammals/drop-bear/ :-)) Same applies to (virtually?) all of

Re: [Tagging] Education reform - a minor change on my proposal

2020-06-06 Thread Warin
On 6/6/20 9:04 pm, Erkin Alp Güney wrote: I have changed how buildings in the campus should be tagged. Some suggestions? Just use 'outer boundary' rather than try to

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-06 Thread Warin
On 7/6/20 1:31 am, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 at 11:23, Andy Townsend wrote: On 06/06/2020 16:18, Phake Nick wrote: 在 2020年6月6日週六 11:03,Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> 寫道: As a general tourist I would have no interest in traveling along a railway route here nothing r

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-06 Thread Warin
On 7/6/20 1:52 am, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 6. Jun 2020, at 03:58, Jack Armstrong wrote: The wiki permits the mapping of reality, on-the-ground, as it is in the world today. OSM should reflect what exists today, not decades ago. If there is something that remains

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Heavily-wooded residential polygons

2020-06-05 Thread Warin
On 5/6/20 10:46 am, Greg Troxel wrote: Sure. I tend to think that if something is semantically sensible and can be represented, it's good to tag it, and then rendering is another story. I think pretty much everyone agrees that landuse=residential and natural=wood are both sensible to

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Heavily-wooded residential polygons

2020-06-05 Thread Warin
On 3/6/20 7:22 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Jun 2, 2020, 20:16 by stevea...@softworkers.com: "this IS residential landuse." (Not COULD BE, but IS). Yes, this land might be "natural" now, including being "treed," but I could still build a patio and bbq there after

Re: [Tagging] Overlapping naturals

2020-06-05 Thread Warin
On 5/6/20 10:06 pm, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: And you are missing (1) word "mainly" (2) "Note: Two values of landuse=* may be view as not strictly land use.    These are landuse=grass and landuse=forest. Please refer to the pages    of these for more information." As

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-05 Thread Warin
On 6/6/20 8:02 am, Volker Schmidt wrote: I need to reopen this thread.  I do object strongly to the invitation to remove the razed/dismantled-railway tag in the case of railway tracks have been replaced by roads with the same geometry. To the contrary this is one of the more fortunate cases

Re: [Tagging] Overlapping naturals

2020-06-04 Thread Warin
On 3/6/20 5:37 am, Florian Lohoff wrote: For me overlapping natural or landuses are broken. An area can either be a natural=wood or a landuse=farmland. You cant include the same area in two types of usages or naturals. You can. Farm land here can have trees to shelter animals from wind/sun

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-03 Thread Warin
On 2/6/20 9:44 pm, Paul Allen wrote: On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 12:23, Volker Schmidt > wrote: Anyway the examples you find in OSM are few and in all cases I know the completely erased bits are a tiny part of the overall ex-railway. There are three ex-railways

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-01 Thread Warin
On 2/6/20 11:52 am, Phake Nick wrote: 在 2020年6月2日週二 09:26,Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> 寫道: On 30/5/20 12:48 am, Volker Schmidt wrote: > My main point is that out there are things that consist of visible > objects plus objec

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Heavily-wooded residential polygons

2020-06-01 Thread Warin
On 29/5/20 8:01 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: May 28, 2020, 23:54 by stevea...@softworkers.com: "treed farmland" or "heavily wooded residential" prove slightly problematic to OSM tagging. Map tree-covered area (landuse=forest) and map farmland (landuse=farmland) or

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-01 Thread Warin
On 30/5/20 12:48 am, Volker Schmidt wrote: My main point is that out there are things that consist of visible objects plus objects which have left visible traces, and also some pieces that have been completely erased, but of which we have documented knowledge of where they once were. The

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-27 Thread Warin
On 27/5/20 11:42 pm, Volker Schmidt wrote: What has been proposed is to add a new way of tagging of what with the present tagging could be:described with highway=path plus sac_scale=hiking with a new combination of highway=path plus path=hiking I don't think that will help. Replacing

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-26 Thread Warin
On 26/5/20 9:49 pm, Peter Elderson wrote: Richard Fairhurst: highway=mountain_path works for me for tagging mountain paths. Along that line, to retag all the unpaved highway=path's in Nederland with something more specific, we would need at least forest_path, dune_path, heath_path,

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-ml] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-05-24 Thread Warin
On 4/5/20 1:12 am, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: So, this discussion gravitates towards using landuse=common for those African urban freely accessible multipurpose open spaces, which I fully support. Implementing this change requires the following actions: - Editing the leisure=common wiki

Re: [Tagging] Change of wiki page Key:access

2020-05-24 Thread Warin
On 25/5/20 8:28 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: May 24, 2020, 23:42 by vosc...@gmail.com: The strict wording introduced by Florian is simply not practically applicable here. My questions are: Is Italy the only country with this problem? Poland used to be similar,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-24 Thread Warin
Local to me the 'Great North Walk' is signposted in many different ways. e.g. Post with directional arrows http://thegreatnorthwalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/ww_photo_Looking-into-Mulbinga-Street.jpg Some of these posts have no name plate so those may not be recognized by those

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-23 Thread Warin
I tag for the use of the 'path/road/etc'. If it is for a walker then I tag the width for the walker, usually this is the width at ground level but there are ones where the smaller width is at hip level (rocks) so I tag the width there. A width of 0.3 me3ans I have to remove my pack and push it

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-23 Thread Warin
As it is the minimum width that will limit passage, I would prefer to see the minimum with tagged not the average width. On 23/5/20 3:23 am, Daniel Westergren wrote: In the short term, it's okay to tag an estimated, average width. If it's 1 to 0.3 meters, use 0.5 - this still shows a

Re: [Tagging] track vs footway, cycleway, bridleway or path

2020-05-22 Thread Warin
On 22/5/20 6:24 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 22. May 2020, at 03:10, Mike Thompson wrote: This seems to contradict what Mateusz said. "Way used solely to access a private residence is always highway=service, service=driveway no matter whatever it is short, long,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-21 Thread Warin
On 22/5/20 3:20 am, Peter Elderson wrote: Nodes with roles in the route relation deserve another proposal to make it "official". The CAI-project sounds promising, I will look into it once this business is done! My wife is learning Italian, so maybe she can even translate the text (into Dutch,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-20 Thread Warin
On 20/5/20 10:49 pm, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Thanks for rescuing the useful content from that proposal. I reused images from older proposal, hopefully it is OK (but oif unwanted - feel free to revert) At least for me it is useful illustration of what the proposal is about and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-20 Thread Warin
Hi, Thanks for doing this! The excursion description is "A signposted side track which rejoins at roughly the same point where it left, usually to visit a point of interest." That would exclude a track that 'rejoins' at exactly the same point. Most of the ones I have come across are

Re: [Tagging] track vs footway, cycleway, bridleway or path

2020-05-20 Thread Warin
On 21/5/20 4:28 am, Mike Thompson wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 12:09 PM Mike Thompson wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:57 AM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: However, if you are talking about a paved multi-use path, bicycle path or footway which happens to be 3 or 4 meters wide and therefore a

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread Warin
On 19/5/20 8:01 pm, European Water Project wrote: Thank you all for responding. I've commented in order Dear François & Jo, There are 240,000 drinking fountains  nodes (with the two tag forms) tagged globally. Although, your suggestion seems a reasonable one, unless there is master plan for

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Dog hazard

2020-05-12 Thread Warin
On 13/5/20 9:28 am, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 13. May 2020, at 00:27, Tod Fitch wrote: Checking taginfo it seems hazard=* [1] is in use. Why not go with it? [1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/hazard there is also documentation.

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

2020-05-08 Thread Warin
On 7/5/20 1:54 am, Philip Barnes wrote: On Wed, 2020-05-06 at 14:03 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 6. May 2020, at 13:14, lukas-...@web.de wrote: In the wiki I found bell_tower=* (but without a carillon-specific value) and I think a carillon does not have to be a 

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-07 Thread Warin
On 8/5/20 8:41 am, Paul Norman via Tagging wrote: On 2020-05-07 11:49 a.m., Joseph Eisenberg wrote: So, what's the next step? As a next step, I'd map motorcycle taxis as amenity=motorcycle_taxi. Vote with your mapping. +1 If those opposed don't come up with something better then they

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-05-01 Thread Warin
On 1/5/20 9:00 pm, Florimond Berthoux wrote: +1 for highway=pedestrian + area=yes That how we map a town square in France (and every where else I guess ?) To me highway=pedestrian is more for where for where foot traffic passes rather than a place where people stop and meet. Le mer. 29

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

2020-04-30 Thread Warin
On 1/5/20 9:14 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Fri, 1 May 2020 at 01:25, Florian Lohoff mailto:f...@zz.de>> wrote: I also do consider overlapping natural and landuses to be a bug, either its a natural=scrub or a landuse=farmland. It cant be both. Sorry, Florian, but why do you

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-04-30 Thread Warin
On 30/4/20 8:08 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:59 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>>: On 30/4/20 7:29 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:18 Uhr schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-04-30 Thread Warin
On 30/4/20 7:29 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:18 Uhr schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier mailto:j...@liotier.org>>: The concept they are closest to is "plaza" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza) - which, by the way, does not seem to have currency in

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-04-29 Thread Warin
On 30/4/20 6:40 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Apr 29, 2020, 21:37 by skqu...@rushpost.com: On 4/29/20 14:34, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Here is a 360° picture of a square in Dakar: https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/jYNQFMwHiNEZRCnpi71heA - larger than a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy

2020-04-28 Thread Warin
On 29/4/20 5:55 am, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: But healthcare=pharmacy was never proposed. There is no requirement that it must be proposed. It was added by a preset in iD. At the time the key “healthcare=“ was proposed, the idea of changing amenity=pharmacy was opposed by several mappers

Re: [Tagging] Points vs Polygons

2020-04-23 Thread Warin
On 20/4/20 1:51 am, Robert Castle wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm new to OSM and have been I've been making some edits on Main Street of my hometown. All the buildings seem to have been mapped, but many of the businesses are not mapped or have incomplete information, so I've been adding in the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging and rendering places without a name

2020-04-21 Thread Warin
On 21/4/20 6:59 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Di., 21. Apr. 2020 um 06:03 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>>: So by the definition I see no issue of having place without a name tag, as long as it has a name :) Errr If it has

Re: [Tagging] Tagging and rendering places without a name

2020-04-20 Thread Warin
On 21/4/20 5:31 am, Florimond Berthoux wrote: Hi Hidde, welcome, The wiki definition is « Used to indicate that a particular location is known by a particular name, to indicate what sort of "place" it is. A place tag should exist for every significant human settlements (city, town, suburb,

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