e but this isn't a valid value
> >> and
> >>
> >
> > On reflection, that doesn't seem such a bad tag.
> >
> ford=impassable makes no sense
Agreed. It was a very quick and superficial reflection :-)
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On the tagging list, you might want to discuss whether there should be
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ontext, I think
'company' and 'business' mean much the same, although in the UK, at
least, 'company' has a legal meaning, so 'business' is perhaps slightly
more general.
By the way, when I said that "office" was American dialect, slightly
frivolously, I meant its usage rather than th
s' is undocumented and
unsupported, although I have used it ocasionally over several years.
I think that office=... only makes sense where the main function of the
premises is to act as ... an office :-)
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> Energy and power are used quite interchangeably and power is the better word
> for it.
That is just plain wrong. They have different dimensions.
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> I added link to it at
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But I am not going to remember to look through my bookmarks in a year or
so: that link or whatever need to be on the wiki is an obvious place.
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main aspect of what I perceive to be common usage. I keep saying that
I am not an expert.
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to me that
there is a strong drift away from British usage, and I just wanted
people to be aware of that. No more.
People from more arid climates have a much richer set of objects to map
and so I guess a richer vocabulary and are in a much better position to
invent extended tagging.
sage,
> because this is what I found in Germany, Italy and France?
> So how do tag all these "fountains" that aren't waterspouts in Britain,
> there must be an alternative tag for it, not?
Maybe. I guess that if I was starting from scratch, I might have a
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that many such things in the UK, so I think we lack common
terminology in this area.
But I amy be outraging architects who may well have an extensive terms
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>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 6 Oct 2022, at 11:41, ael via Tagging wrote:
> >
> > Definitely not a fountain.
> >
> > These all in British English.
>
>
> these
e picture.
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AWall_fountain,_Roma,_Italia_Sep_01,_2020_12-33-55_PM.jpeg
>
Definitely not a fountain.
These all in British English.
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read closely. But some pictures of alleged
"drinking fountains" elsewhere in the world, don't seem to conform to
the British terminology.
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> > "Hillock" is quite common in British English
>
>
> To describe a traffic control device?
No.
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> I'm uncomfortable with hillock/hillocky as a value.
"Hillock" is quite common in British English, not that I am comfortable
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Again a case where
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Hazard in British English (and all other dialects, I suspect) is a
general term with no particular connotation with roads or even paths.
Why force us to invent a new tag "hazard_not_on_a_highway" ???
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and Swindon. I don't think they are tagged. I struggle to
see why tagging as a hazard would be useful in OSM today, but perhaps
with sophisticated routers issuing an alarm on approach might be
something in the future. These dips are clearly signed.
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> Which then goes back to the discussions we were having a while back about
> > tagging the "dangerousness" of tracks.
hazard=extreme surely?
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On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 04:01:09PM -0500, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 3:41 PM ael via Tagging
> wrote:
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> > On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 09:11:25AM -0500, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote:
> > > I am not opposed to including unsigned hazards
> >
>
You might have noticed some of them when you
trawled through the existing usage.
It would be absurd to require such cases to be "signed": those are the
least hazardous by virtual of the signage.
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who comes along and changes things without updating the source tag.
Let's encourage people to use the source tag properly rather than cause
further decay. Or come up with a better solution, which is definitely
not a changeset comment.
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replace the source tag
is in MHO ridiculous. In even a small changeset, there are typically a
whole range of sources for different elements. It is just too
coarse-grained to be useful. Maybe for armchair mappers who only have
one source, updating data that has only ever been armchair
nity=battery_swapping;charging_station.
I don't know why there are objections to multiple values, but that
multiple tagging seems to be the most accurate if the community accepts
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> Am Mi., 16. Sept. 2020 um 12:36 Uhr schrieb ael :
>
> > Yes. ISTR that the last time I tried to mark a crossing, zebra wasn't a
> > option in the presets. But my memeory may be at fault.
> >
>
>
But my memeory may be at fault.
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> Hi David -- My feeling is that often highway=service, without a
> service=* tag, is a useful and valid tagging practice.
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> > On 30. Jul 2020, at 10:39, ael wrote:
> >
> > often without survey, and then do not update the source, so
> > that tag becomes completely misleading.
>
> that’s what happens
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> > On 26. Jul 2020, at 23:58, ael wrote:
> >
> > Adding such source tags to a changeset seldom makes sense.
> > Most of my changesets are a mixture of local knowledge, surveys, gps,
> &g
cases.
Of course, changesets need to have some overall source infomation, but
that is necessarily coarse except for small cahnges perhaps.
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describing the end of a waterway, I suppose. It is quite intuitive and
descriptive. Maybe a tag along those lines: "dissipates" or some such?
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finitely
not restricted to places selling coffee. The distinction between
fast-food and cafe' and even low end restaurants is a bit hazy.
Fast-food is a fairly recent phase in British English, I think. Not
precisely defined, but mainly for franchised chains. But I th
n (goods or humans) and are designed to
> accommodate boats (even if no longer used in that way).
>
+1. I have noticed this misuse of "canal" before.
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rrazed) to the ways that make up the road or the
> cycle route.
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Cornwall to flag open mine shafts, and in
one case to warn of dangerous (illegal) dogs on a right of way through a
farmyard.
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egotiate.
I think a "road" normally implies navigation with a standard vehicle is
possible. In general that implies at least some sort of paving. I would
not be happy if someone changed a UK track into something else unless
they have established that it had a proper surface.
ae
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> > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:58:00PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> > > Piccadilly Circus (note the different word).
> > > Is this a town square for British people? I
refer to it as a square. I would certainly find such a
description bizarre. But then I wouldn't naturally call it a plaza
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> I think that by default bollards are not removable, and that if a bollard
> is not tagged as removable, it is reasonable to assume it's not removable.
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> to the list.
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ways), which is why
asphalt is still a reasonable default. I would expect an explicit
tag for anything which is not asphalt. Again we are talking about the
UK here.
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A conventions.
One reason that I find it irritating is where I have mapped roads very
accurately and then armchair mappers come along with poorly aligned
imagery with parallax errors and think they know better. So when I see
any change in such places, I usu
azon people do seem to be adding unnecessary and
unsurveyed surface=asphalt tags to many roads in the UK which I find
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But the point is that in current British usage, the vast majority of
fountains are "drinking_water=no". The natural meaning is a decorative
feature in most contexts.
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> i have in mind the proposal diaper<>changing table: totally ok for the
Eh, except that OSM is supposed to use British English, and "diaper"
should be nappy.
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on one element, but not the others with shared nodes. It is painful,
time-consuming and tedious to have to separate the ways. Often I just
don't bother and risk degrading previous information. But if people will
share nodes, then it's too bad.
The overhead in the database of som
s "Ostsee", etc.
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> > Please support (vote) my proposal or write a reason why not.
>
> For the count, +1 against.
And another +1, against.
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eneric tag for waymarks, although there are lots of special
cases like milestons. Perhaps we should have a waymark tag with subtags
for material and orientation?
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> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 1:17 PM ael wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 01:00:29PM -0800, Eric Theise wrote:
> > > tower:type=communication
> > > tower:construction=concealed
> > >
>
r:construction=concealed . I suspect that
scheme did not exist back then. Perhaps I might add it sometime and use
it in future now that I am aware of it.
Your lack of results might just be because I am not the only one who
had not come across this tag before: I s
f Corpus and
possibly also of Christ Church. I will try to remember to check
sometime. The "College Park" is, of course, "Christ Church Meadow".
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> I would suggest it is not necessary to replace the simple node with a
> circular way. I think it is perfectly acceptable if it is considered as a
> simple turn instead of negotiating a roundabout, from a routing perspective.
> An
well as more globally.
Even if one local mapper with special local knowledge tags something
only understood in a very small area, it is still improving the map.
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well known terms in the UK, so I would think they are valid
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after all the suggestions, I have ended up with a surfeit of tags!
amenity=cafe
cuisine=milk_shake
shop=beverages
drink=milk_shake
and perhaps the drink needs adjusting, or perhaps not.
If forced to choose, I would remove the shop part: it seems nearer to a
ca
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> Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 15:52, ael wrote:
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> > Sounds a good idea. I have just switched it to
> > shop=beverages and beverage=milk_shake, but adding
> >
>
> beverage=* is logical but not docu
verage=milk_shake, but adding
cuisine=milk_shake (I suspect singular is better) can't do anything but
good.
I will settle on that until someone comes up with anything better.
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> > dairy=milk_shake
And we have established
amenity=ice_cream,
but shop=dairy and
dairy=ice_cream
would seem more logical, aside from the fact that some "ice_creams"
don't contain much of a diary component. I digress
ael, confused tagger.
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This is a reason why I am concerned that shop=yes is not being rendered
in some cases. shop=yes seems a reasonable tag when there are no obvious
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primary tag for such a place.
The point is to indicate the sort of tagging already established for the
trade tag, rather than to suggest anyone do that.
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good tag' as it can only be used with shop=trade.
> >
> Why? It can be added to any shop,
> not only ones tagged with shop=trade.
>
> Though I agree "sells" would be a probably
> more clear name.
Again, sells is not equiv
sold. I simplify for brevity here.
So you are overlooking the full semantics of the shop=trade tag.
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ly distinct way, and
the documentation clearly notes the other use and indicates how they are
distinguished, I guess it would be OK.
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> > On 17. Aug 2019, at 22:36, ael wrote:
> >
> > But do we have any generic terms already? Unless
> > you just mean office.
>
>
> businesses can already be found in amenity (e.g.
dually evole and get used properly and gradually outnumber the old
misused office tag. Should not be too onerous for data consumers?
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point was that as I understood things, the office tag was typically used
to indicate a place of business, rather than a real office which may or
may not included.
Of course, I have no problem with tagging significant real offices with
the office tag.
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will be covered
by the water (to a first approximation). But on reflection, even that
may not be true for some sections of a beach. Portions that may be
exposed at low tide could even have a negative slope, and still be a
(hazardous) beach.
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> No. The tag highway=road says that the class is unknown.
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t of the interconnection grid,
> while a residential road is not
My reply was going to be much the same. Unclassified roads are generally
for "through traffic". Residential raods are primarily for access to
those buildings, and would not (norm
it
> cant be a unclassified.
How have you come to that conclusion? It flatly contradicts the normal
meaning. Perhaps your local area uses the term "unclassified" in a way
different from the OSM convention?
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Scheme?
Maybe naics:id = in USA, sic:id in UK, and so on?
So they could be useful in addition to the trade=whatever when
appropriate.
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or whatever to cover other sorts of
track? They might not even need to be ordered, although then the
alphabetic choice might be less straightforward?
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trade= ??? -- well, in my area I would probably use trade=double_glazing
but something more general might be better since these places also
supply UPV doors and the like, at least.
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facade which will then be produced and
> delivered to you?
>
> While a shop like this may exist, I must admit I have never seen it. Can you
> refer to a real example?
Several in my area in UK.
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Sorry, but this thread is clear evidence that statement is false.
And existing mapping also contradicts it.
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something like "sorted=yes" which editors
will always turn off unless the editor (or user) can verify that the
sorting has been maintained? Provided that there is a well defined order
relation, that should be something that editor could automate?
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> > I invented the shop=trade after a suggestion on this list to consider
> > subtags.
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> I was thinking about it & wondered abou
think that business alone is to all encompassing. But it is
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for trade=?? when used in conjunction
with (as a sub-tag of) shop=trade. But I think that the idea was to
re-use trade in other contexts. I am a little uncertain whether that
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ly not small scale works.
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> Should we possibly have a trade= key to cover the office / workshop / shed
> / factory unit where these specialists are located, or from where they work
> out of?
As long as it is clearly distinguished from the exiting use of trade.
I fear c
supplies
> - shop=plumbing_supplies is a good name for plumbing supplies shop but rarely
> used
Or shop=trade and trade=plumbing_supplies if it is largely aimed at
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> On 3/10/2019 6:16 PM, Warin wrote:
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> >
> > amenity=prep_school .. umm amenity ... not something I like to use.
> > And prep_school tends to indicate preparation before going to school
> > rather than extra work on top of school.
> >
> I
; In this case they have been mapped as a 'residential area' with that name ...
> The basic question is ... is that area residential?
But note the user name: it does suggest vandalism.
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> On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 at 22:09, Sergio Manzi wrote:
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> > If you think it is important to differentiate between lined vs. unlined
> > minor waterways (*and I'm not objecting to that*), I guess the best
> > option would be to use a
On Sat, Feb 02, 2019 at 12:22:01AM -0800, Mark Wagner wrote:
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> My copy of the Oxford English Dictionary has about a page of
> definitions for "ditch" and "drain", and not a hint that either of them
> needs to be lined.
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> ethnicfoodisgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I have been tagging them as drains, because they
> > are too small to be called a stream, and they are not artificial, so
> > they are not
treams or Mill races are the usual
terms. I am not familiar with any special terms for fountains: I would
expect a phrase like "piped supply" in most (underground) cases.
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them as canals! Some might overlap with culverts?
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oads. But normally drains and canals are quite distinct, so it would
be unnatural in British English to remove drain. Yes, I do realise that
the word canal is derived from channel. That sort of usage still
applies in dentistry, as in a root-canal procedure. B
on is not high except in some special cases. The
unqualified word "ditch" would normally be understood as an artificial
unlined and usually small watercourse. But also, in certain contexts,
for a historic trench acting as a defense or fence, not necessarily
containing water.
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>
> There are tags for caves in general and could be applied to a sea cave.
> But the only way the
> cave tags can be applied to a collapsed sea cave is to pretend the colla
seen them
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