2014-05-14 4:51 GMT+02:00 Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
For a long time I believed that the
only practical reason for placing capital=yes or state_capital=yes
on a node was to help the renderer decide how to render the label; the
renderer could then avoid the trouble of
Dear community, WTF?
admin_level on place nodes surely duplicates admin_level tag value
from one of relations which contain that node, but is that a bad
thing?
Did you try to calculate admin_level for a place in osm2pgsql
database? I've spent two hours now trying to construct and optimize an
SQL
Sorry, two facts that I forgot to check before sending the last mail.
1. There are 63762 place nodes with an admin_level in the database,
and ~330k other nodes with this tag. I guess it's too late to forbid
using the tag on nodes.
2. It's Berlin that was edited, not London:
2014-05-13 14:20 GMT+02:00 Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru:
admin_level on place nodes surely duplicates admin_level tag value
from one of relations which contain that node, but is that a bad
thing?
Did you try to calculate admin_level for a place in osm2pgsql
database? I've spent two hours
Martin Koppenhoefer:
admin_level has no real definition in the wiki what it is supposed to
express: the key link redirects to boundary=administrative:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:admin_level#admin_level
...
Now there is also a key capital that can tell the administrative
2014-05-13 15:02 GMT+02:00 Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru:
First, this discussion it seemed was about removing admin_level tags,
and not straightening up the tagging schema. I posted my reply because
I had seen the tag removed from Berlin, not replaced by another. Left
there is capital=yes
I surely could remove the warning I've added to the wiki, but please
first consider that, from the ~33 nodes with a place=* tag that
you mentioned, only 63762 (19%) are combined with an admin_level tag.
I've mentioned [1] many of important cities (in fact, secondary,
tertiary cities, right
Hi Martin, I was the one that marked the proposal for the key capital as
cancelled (maybe abandoned was a better status).
I did this because I saw it's use was a complete mess in tag info, and as
far as I knew, admin_centre had the same purpose, so I just wanted to help
to clean the wiki from it's
2014-05-13 16:54 GMT+02:00 John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com:
Hi Martin, I was the one that marked the proposal for the key capital as
cancelled (maybe abandoned was a better status).
I did this because I saw it's use was a complete mess in tag info, and as
far as I knew, admin_centre had
Hm, what does capital=8 mean? I've only seen the value capital=yes so far.
It could be the result of a bad import.
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2014-05-13 16:54 GMT+02:00 John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com:
Hi Martin, I was the one that
2014-05-13 17:25 GMT+02:00 Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
Hm, what does capital=8 mean? I've only seen the value capital=yes so far.
It could be the result of a bad import.
it generally means capital (or admin_centre) of an admin_level=8 entity.
cheers,
Martin
2014-05-13 17:24 GMT+02:00 John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com:
I still think it's needed to create a proper page for this key.
I find it hard to see a proposal page with such a long discussion as some
kind of standard.
I agree that the docu could be better here, and it would certainly be a
I really don't think this is considered a standard tag by most people.
In taginfo we can find keys like capital_city, capital_level, is_capital,
state_capital, capital.
As far as I saw, each key is concentrated on some parts of the globe.
It certainly is not a fact that it is standard.
I had
Am 13/mag/2014 um 19:06 schrieb John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com:
It certainly is not a fact that it is standard.
maybe you have to look how capitals are tagged and which of these tags are
there for a long time, to be convinced? Are you aware that this key is in
default.style?
cheers,
Please explain why admin_level on place nodes harms the database, or
refrain from removing it. Thanks.
I actually put it back in Berlin after I took a 2nd closer look at
Germany. Which then actually revealed that all our state capitals are
tagged with admin_level=6 when they should be 4 as
Applications could avoid that mess if they supported and preferred the
admin_centre role of relations. For a long time I believed that the
only practical reason for placing capital=yes or state_capital=yes
on a node was to help the renderer decide how to render the label; the
renderer could then
Am 5/14/14 04:51 , schrieb Fernando Trebien:
For a long time I believed that the
only practical reason for placing capital=yes or state_capital=yes
on a node was to help the renderer decide how to render the label;
And what happens when go to admin_level=4?
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In Brazil, admin_level=4 is state level, so it would be
state_capital=yes. I've never really thought about it in depth because
Brazil only has 2 administrative levels with a capital city and the
country only has 1 capital. This is how it looks like in Brazil now:
1. Node tagged as
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 10:37 AM, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com wrote:
In Italy we use capital=* with the corresponding (minimum) admin level, so
Rome has capital=2 and so on..
That's for what 'admin_level' role has been created : to connect the
administrative place to its boundary. The modeling
2014-05-11 3:50 GMT+02:00 Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com:
Isn't admin_level a property of boundary=administrative? (that is
also a an specialization of a boundary relation)
Using admin_level outside (or without) a boundary=administrative
relation will be as wrong/incomplete as using
On 11 May 2014 06:32, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com wrote:
Hm I've looked up a few other cities (Hamburg, Munich, Cologne, Lyon,
Marseille, Rotterdam, Zurich, Manchester, Birmingham, Salzburg,
Aarhus) and they do not have an admin_level tag on the place=* node.
At the same time,
See also the use of the admin_centre in boundary relations. This allows
a place to have a different role/importance for each admin area it is
in. An interesting case is Amsterdam, which is the capital of NL but not
the provincial capital of the province it is in (that's Haarlem). The
tagging
In the German Forum we came to the conclusion that the idea probably was
to indicate it's the capital (which should be done with role:
admin_centre) http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=25418
I removed that Tag from Berlin.
Andi
Am 5/11/14 06:31 , schrieb Fernando Trebien:
Hm
Hello everyone,
We're having a little discussion in the Brazilian community about
whether the node tagged with place=* that represents a city
should/shouldn't have an admin_level=* tag. The wiki states, since at
most 2010 [1], that the admin_level tag should not be used on nodes.
However, both
I think an explicit tagging scheme that specifies the correspondence
between place=* tags and admin_level=* tags is a good thing.
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Fernando Trebien
fernando.treb...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
We're having a little discussion in the Brazilian community
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
I think an explicit tagging scheme that specifies the correspondence between
place=* tags and admin_level=* tags is a good thing.
Isn't admin_level a property of boundary=administrative? (that is
also a an
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