Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

I've added amenity=bear_box (for the feature) and bear_box=yes (as a property to add to campsites, caravan sites, camp pitches, etc) to the proposal at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties for now. i If it turns out to be too controversial I can remove it for

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 1:12 PM Paul Allen wrote: > On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 at 18:43, Dave Swarthout > wrote: > >> >> Still, if we want to allow for easy expansion of the tagging scheme then >> using waste_basket=bear-proof, for example, would help such future >> expansion. >> > > How about bear_pro

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 at 18:43, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > Still, if we want to allow for easy expansion of the tagging scheme then > using waste_basket=bear-proof, for example, would help such future > expansion. > How about bear_proof=yes which could be applied to food storage containers and wast

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

Alaska, with its huge population of bears, has these bear-proof receptacles at all public campsites. I think bear_box will serve the purpose but it doesn't work for other types of animal-proof containers as Joseph pointed out. However, those other types are not very common, if they exist at all. S

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

I agree that bear_box is clearer. Most food storage is not bear-proof. If there are other food storage options that are simply racoon-proof or squirrel-proof, they can be tagged differently, but I'm not aware of any of these. On 8/22/19, JS wrote: > > > Am 22. August 2019 03:41:08 MESZ schrieb R

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

Am 22. August 2019 03:41:08 MESZ schrieb Rob Savoye : >On 8/21/19 7:27 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> For someone who is not familiar with the term 'bear box' it may >> sound like bears are stored in there. That would seem like a rather odd idea. Why would a bear be stored in a box, and ev

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On 8/21/19 7:27 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > For someone who is not familiar with the term 'bear box' it may > sound like bears are stored in there. > "Food storage box" might be better? Actually something like that is probably a better term. I think 'bear box' only because that's the

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On 8/21/19 6:52 PM, Warin wrote: > If they team together they can form a pyramid for the reach, only > need to figure out the handle then. Can they do zippers? Raiding > tents and backpacks then becomes possible. Around here the bears have learned to open car doors, hours doors, and yes, tent

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On 8/21/19 5:17 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I agree with Martin. It's not good practice to use semicolons in the > value of the main feature tag, like amenity=bbq;bear_box, because this > is hard for database users to interpret with a simple algorithm. Actually I've found the opposite. Importi

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:53 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 22/08/19 10:25, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:23 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Is there a requirement to tag these 'animal resistant boxes'? Would a >> more universal tag be better? >> > >

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On 22/08/19 10:25, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:23 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: Is there a requirement to tag these 'animal resistant boxes'? Would a more universal tag be better? I've generally heard these referred to as "bea

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:23 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Is there a requirement to tag these 'animal resistant boxes'? Would a more > universal tag be better? > I've generally heard these referred to as "bear boxes" regardless of the species they're intended to guard against. Grant

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On 22/08/19 07:03, Tom Pfeifer wrote: On 21.08.2019 19:44, Rob Savoye wrote:    Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears will destroy your car if th

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On 22/08/19 08:16, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 08:02, Rob Savoye > wrote: > We should probably add both of these to the proposed list of > campsite property tags at   That's be a good idea, as bear boxes are becoming more and more

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 5:20 PM Rob Savoye wrote: > On 8/21/19 4:16 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > We don't have that problem!, but are the bear boxes at each individual > > site / pitch, or is there one / "x" for the entire campground? > > Bear boxes are in every campsite, and hold about

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 4:04 PM Tom Pfeifer wrote: > On 21.08.2019 19:44, Rob Savoye wrote: > >Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage > > boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the > > year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears w

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

Bear boxes can be shared among multiple campsites, especially in backcountry campgrounds. We should also consider that there are other forms of food protection, such as bear wires and bear poles, that are used in some campsites. What about tagging with something like 'wildlife_food_protection=yes/n

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

I agree with Martin. It's not good practice to use semicolons in the value of the main feature tag, like amenity=bbq;bear_box, because this is hard for database users to interpret with a simple algorithm. At the proposal (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Campsite_properties) t

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2019, at 00:01, Rob Savoye wrote: > > Yeah, I'd add this to a 'tourism=camp_pitch' node. Where I was > yesterday works out to something like 'amenity=bbq;bear_box;parking' > plus 'leisure=firepit'. a more common mapping method would be individual objects for e

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On 8/21/19 4:16 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > We don't have that problem!, but are the bear boxes at each individual > site / pitch, or is there one / "x" for the entire campground? Bear boxes are in every campsite, and hold about a week's worth of food. They're big enough you can put in a de

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 08:02, Rob Savoye wrote: > > > We should probably add both of these to the proposed list of > > campsite property tags at > > That's be a good idea, as bear boxes are becoming more and more common > in western US campgrounds. > We don't have that problem!, but are the be

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On 8/21/19 3:54 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > This suggests that you could also use bear_box=yes/no with a > tourism=camp_site or tourism=camp_pitch feature to specify whether > or not their is a bear box somewhere at the location. Yeah, I'd add this to a 'tourism=camp_pitch' node. Where I was

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

Good idea! I agree that amenity=bear_box would be a good way to map this feature, probably on a node. This suggests that you could also use bear_box=yes/no with a tourism=camp_site or tourism=camp_pitch feature to specify whether or not their is a bear box somewhere at the location. We should pro

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 22:05, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > The question remains if tagging the boxes would give bears an advantage as > they could exploit the > knowledge and focus on sites without such boxes? > +1 -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On 21.08.2019 19:44, Rob Savoye wrote: Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears will destroy your car if there is food left inside. I see zero ins

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On 21/08/2019 19:03, Mark Wagner wrote: On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:44:41 -0600 Rob Savoye wrote: Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears will dest

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:44:41 -0600 Rob Savoye wrote: > Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage > boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the > year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears will destroy > your car if there is food left i

[Tagging] bear box in campground ?

Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears will destroy your car if there is food left inside. I see zero instances of this type of data, at least not