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Should this be tagged amenity=fast_food? Its name contains the word "restaurant" and these are proper cooked meals similar to what one makes at home, but they cook large batches, so people can just sit in and have a bowl of pagpag with no delay: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-42990661/how

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在 2020年7月2日 星期四 上午7:18 [GMT+8]， Paul Allen< pla16...@gmail.com> 寫道： > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 23:59, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> On 2. Jul 2020, at 00:44, Paul Allen wrote: >> >>> I cannot deny the possibility, but I have never seen a takeaway >>> kebab shop with seats for queuing customers. 

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sent from a phone > On 2. Jul 2020, at 01:18, Paul Allen wrote: > > How would you tag your example? It doesn't really seem a good fit for > any tag we have. I don’t know the specific place, but typically I would tag amenity=fast_food cuisine=kebap It also says “pizza” but from looking at t

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On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 1:18 AM Paul Allen wrote: > I can't let Britain down in the bizarre food vendors contest. A butcher near > me sells various types of raw meat (obviously). There are also racks > outside on the pavement: a rack of fruit and a rack of vegetables. I was > informed a few years

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Funny that you mention. I've just read the Hungarian interpretation of a legal advisor regarding what counts as seating. They were differentiating between the sit down amenity kind and the takeaway-only shop kind of cukrászda from a tax perspective. According to them, in order for a _service_ to b

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On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 23:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > On 2. Jul 2020, at 00:44, Paul Allen wrote: > > I cannot deny the possibility, but I have never seen a takeaway > kebab shop with seats for queuing customers. > > > typical configuration in such places around here is a board (“table”) >

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sent from a phone >> On 2. Jul 2020, at 00:44, Paul Allen wrote: > I cannot deny the possibility, but I have never seen a takeaway > kebab shop with seats for queuing customers. typical configuration in such places around here is a board (“table”) attached to the wall and bar stools. You ca

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On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 23:21, bkil wrote: > Again, I still don't have enough information about your "takeaway" > places, but if you are not satisfied with takeaway=only + capacity=0, > I'm not that bothered about fixing it. I was putting it forward as an example of the way we tag restaurants/caf

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sent from a phone > On 2. Jul 2020, at 00:21, bkil wrote: > > I can see someone started experimented with > amenity=restaurant + restaurant=diner > > And: > amenity=fast_food + fast_food=van/truck/street_kitchen to keep this straight, these are long tail values, 77% of all fast_food values

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On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 23:11, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: takeaway oriented kebab place may still have one or two seats > (either for waiting customers or maybe for a legal reasons) > that are extremely rarely used > I cannot deny the possibility, but I have n

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Again, I still don't have enough information about your "takeaway" places, but if you are not satisfied with takeaway=only + capacity=0, could it be also solved via subtagging? I can see someone started experimented with amenity=restaurant + restaurant=diner And: amenity=fast_food + fast_food=van

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Jul 1, 2020, 23:30 by pla16...@gmail.com: > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 22:10, Jarek Piórkowski <> ja...@piorkowski.ca> > wrote: > >> >> Yeah, but we're being told that British takeaways are very different >> from other casual food places that have seating >> > > A takeaway doesn't have seating.  >

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On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 22:10, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > Yeah, but we're being told that British takeaways are very different > from other casual food places that have seating A takeaway doesn't have seating. and the provision of seating is of key interest to Paul. > Yep. If you're on foot (

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On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 21:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 1. Jul 2020, at 02:29, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > Few people would want to stand > > in a queue while raw food is cooked for them. > > You have been writing a lot about cooking raw food, When talking of cafes, yes. Especially the

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On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 16:55, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > On 1. Jul 2020, at 02:51, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: >> Do we want to introduce new tags for gastronomical service places? If >> yes, so far takeaway has one of the clearer definitions I've seen, so >> we could start there. > > we already hav

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sent from a phone > On 1. Jul 2020, at 13:34, Paul Allen wrote: > >> Eh, as opposed to retagging coffee shops or McDonald's being feasible? > > Indeed. That was my point. There's a lot that doesn't work well, but it's > too late to fix it with retagging. To give some numbers, wrt McD 99,

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sent from a phone > On 1. Jul 2020, at 02:51, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > Do we want to introduce new tags for gastronomical service places? If > yes, so far takeaway has one of the clearer definitions I've seen, so > we could start there. we already have the quite established tag takeaway=y

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sent from a phone > On 1. Jul 2020, at 02:29, Paul Allen wrote: > > Few people would want to stand > in a queue while raw food is cooked for them. You have been writing a lot about cooking raw food, but regular restaurants also use a lot of ingredients that have been precooked, typically by

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>> > Shop=pastry? >> > >> >> Unfortunately we can't use that tag, as the menu of a cukrászda far >> exceeds the definition of what the word "pastry" implies. They usually >> offer many items from the following categories: >> * cakes >> * cookies >> * custards >> * doughnuts >> * frozen desserts >>

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On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 13:54, bkil wrote: > > > It would need guidance in the wiki as to where the line is between a > > coffeehouse (or whatever we call it) and a cafe that isn't a coffeehouse. > > Yes, that should be a good idea before someone submits a grand > unification proposal. > We need r

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> The only possible downside I see is that it requires more carto code if you > want different icons. But that would be necessary however we did this. > Possibly. But if part of the world already uses amenity=café for places that do not primarily focus on coffee, this icon revision based on subty

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On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 01:51, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 20:28, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 01:02, Jarek Piórkowski > wrote: > >> Maybe tag them amenity=takeaway > > > > Good idea. Except that value is not officially agreed and isn't > > rendered. Are you

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On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 03:10, bkil wrote: > So just a quick idea, what do you think if we subtyped amenity=café? > On first thought, sounds good. I reserve the right to change my mind later (it's possible some problem will occur to me), but right now I like it. It means you can map something th

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So just a quick idea, what do you think if we subtyped amenity=café? What non-UK people refer to as a café: amenity=cafe + cafe=coffeehouse Diners/greasy spoon and whatnot: amenity=cafe + cafe=diner Or even this one: amenity=cafe + cafe=teehouse $SUBJECT: amenity=cafe + cafe=cukrászda*** (***We

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On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 20:28, Paul Allen wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 01:02, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: >> Maybe tag them amenity=takeaway > > Good idea. Except that value is not officially agreed and isn't > rendered. Are you suggesting somebody propose it? It doesn't look like being officiall

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On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 01:02, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 13:15, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > That may be the situation where you are but not where I am. More than > > half of the fast food outlets in my town have no seats and are takeaway > only. > > Many chip shops I've encou

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On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 13:15, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:35, bkil wrote: >> Note that illustrations depict Burger King, McDonald's and a fish and >> chip shop in England, and that the icon generally depicts a fast food >> item like a burger. It is true that there exist such sma

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On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 20:13, Gábor Fekete wrote: > > It's about the main function. In an imagined daily routine (similarly to > Bkil), coffeehouse (and cukrászda) is the place of some social life after > or between meals. One can arrange a date with his/her (girl)friend, or even > a meeting with

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> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 18:14:44 +0100 > From: Paul Allen > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, > cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, > konditorei, patisserie, ... > [...] > > As mentioned by Feket, a

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On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 05:29:44PM +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 12:58, bkil wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:11 PM Martin Koppenhoefer > > > > > > almost everytime find someone who does not agree, and while I have read a > > lot of things from Paul that made sense in

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On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 17:55, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > From the point of a user, when I am about driving with my wife and we want > to stop > for a nice lunch, I search for cafes and restaurants somewhat nearby. If > we drive 10 > Km to end up at a McDonals-like place we will be disappoint

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On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:35, bkil wrote: > Okay, so at least now I better see where the misunderstanding stems > from. Let's get some facts straight. It may be true that almost all > words in OSM are interpreted within British English, but amenity=café > is an exception (we've decided to leave o

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Paul Allen: > On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 12:58, bkil http://bkil.hu>+a...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:11 PM Martin Koppenhoefer > >   > > almost everytime find someone who does not agree, and while I have read a > lot of > things from Paul

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On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 12:58, bkil wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:11 PM Martin Koppenhoefer > > almost everytime find someone who does not agree, and while I have read a > lot of things from Paul that made sense in other contexts, in this > particular discussion it appeared to me that he w

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On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:11 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > it is you who knows the cukrászda best. You must decide (together with your > fellow local mappers who also know the feature), whether it is a subtype of > one of the established tags, or whether it is so different that it must get a

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Am Mo., 29. Juni 2020 um 14:05 Uhr schrieb bkil : > If we already add a type, why can't we make it right? Why not use such > a taxonomy that makes sense, enabling interpretation for both locals > and internationally? I think this is what we all are striving for here, the problem is that it is

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On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 07:53, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:02, Jake Edmonds via Tagging > wrote: >> While it might be used in Paul’s area, McDonalds is not a cafe where I am >> from, and would put money on most British people calling it a fast food >> restaurant > > I am surpr

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sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 21:02, bkil wrote: > > However, I'm not quite comfortable with someone adding a specific > combination of top level tags to convey a new kind of function > regardless of how similar the synthesis result might sound like unless > the meaning of the indepe

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sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 17:34, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > Those that do serve wine should be tagged with > drink:wine=served. Something that I do bother about in Europe. the drink:wine=* tag is used 3265 times, half of them with amenity and the other half with shops, bu

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I think there would be room for such POI specialization in Hungary as well (menza/cafeteria, kifőzde/étkezde, csárda, kisvendéglő, fogadó, kávéház/kávézó, bisztró, pince, romkocsma). Although, I may not be catching the gist here, based on the concept of not including values in key names, should it

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Yes, "we" refers to the Hungarian mapping community who we discussed this topic with a few times in the past, although we're still waiting for others from the neighboring area to also chime in. We'd be more than happy if we could have input from as many cultures as possible. In Hungary, coffeehou

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Paul Allen: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:02, Jake Edmonds via Tagging > > wrote: > > While it might be used in Paul’s area, McDonalds is not a cafe where I am > from, > and would put money on most British people calling it a fast food > restaurant > >

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On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 11:56, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 29. Jun 2020, at 12:41, Gábor Fekete wrote: > > > > You would be surprised if you wanted to cure your hunger in a Hungarian > cafe. I do not expect (real, nutritious) food in a cafe. > > because it seems the term „cafe“ in Britain

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> That's what cuisine=* is for. That's what Google is for. That's what Yellow > Pages is for. That's what TripAdvisor is for. Yes, I've been wondering why we keep adding streets and POI to OSM, I thought that's what Google Maps is for. Now seriously, OSM has a great advantage of not favoring

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sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 13:35, bkil wrote: > > Okay, so at least now I better see where the misunderstanding stems > from. Let's get some facts straight. thank you for this summary which is in line with how I would see it. Cheers Martin ___

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On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:02, Jake Edmonds via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > While it might be used in Paul’s area, McDonalds is not a cafe where I am > from, and would put money on most British people calling it a fast food > restaurant > I am surprised that there is anywhere in

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Okay, so at least now I better see where the misunderstanding stems from. Let's get some facts straight. It may be true that almost all words in OSM are interpreted within British English, but amenity=café is an exception (we've decided to leave out the accent for the benefit of the international c

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While it might be used in Paul’s area, McDonalds is not a cafe where I am from, and would put money on most British people calling it a fast food restaurant Sent from Jake Edmonds' iPhone > On 29 Jun 2020, at 12:56, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >  > > sent from a phone > >> On 29. Jun 2020

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sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 12:41, Gábor Fekete wrote: > > You would be surprised if you wanted to cure your hunger in a Hungarian cafe. > I do not expect (real, nutritious) food in a cafe. because it seems the term „cafe“ in Britain has a different meaning than it has in Germa

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From: Paul Allen > > Because I can spot a cafe by looking through the window as I go past but > I cannot determine > the type of service without hanging around or going in. > I can identify a cukrászda through its window. > That's what cuisine=* is for. That's what Google is for. That's what >

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Jun 29, 2020, 02:08 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > > > > > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 08:59, Paul Allen <> pla16...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> Harder, as somebody else pointed out, is a McDonalds with seats.  It's >> fast food, but it has seats.  I'd map it as a cafe with takeaway=yes since >> we don

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sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 02:10, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > But McDonalds call themselves "restaurants"! it does not matter. That’s the difference between advertising and reality ;-) It may be a “restaurant”, but not for OpenStreetMap, at least around here nobody considers

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I’ve never heard anyone refer to McDonalds as a cafe. Although they do have some standalone McCafe locations https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCafé Sent from Jake Edmonds' iPhone > On 28 Jun 2020, at 22:14, Paul Allen wrote: > >  >> On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 at 21:06, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: >

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On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 08:59, Paul Allen wrote: > Harder, as somebody else pointed out, is a McDonalds with seats. It's > fast food, but it has seats. I'd map it as a cafe with takeaway=yes since > we don't appear to have the option for fast food with seating=yes. > But McDonalds call themselv

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sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 01:41, Paul Allen wrote: > > BTW, until recently there was a combined cafe and art gallery near me. Not > separate rooms, but one big room. Paintings for sale on the walls of the > cafe, > sculptures for sale on shelves and window ledges. Is it a caf

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sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 01:41, Paul Allen wrote: > > I'm not aware of any takeaways near me licensed > to sell alcohol. it may have something to do with public drinking being allowed or not (on the street, not in a pub) Cheers Martin ___

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On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 00:18, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 29. Jun 2020, at 00:59, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > It doesn't explicitly say alcoholic beverages, so it doesn't fit pubs. > > To decide the kind of place I would not look whether a place sells alcohol > or not, I think for somewh

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 00:59, Paul Allen wrote: > > Maybe bread, probably pastry, but I very much doubt sweets. I meant to say pastry, not sweets like in candy. Sorry for the confusion. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Ta

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 00:59, Paul Allen wrote: > > It doesn't explicitly say alcoholic beverages, so it doesn't fit pubs. To decide the kind of place I would not look whether a place sells alcohol or not, as this is not a question of typology but if drug legislation (e.g.

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 at 22:14, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > On 28. Jun 2020, at 21:55, Paul Allen wrote: > > Either you have very expensive cafes or very cheap restaurants. :) > > > clearly you could have both, so it is not a very good criterion. > If it's the same price in both then either th

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

sent from a phone >> On 28. Jun 2020, at 21:55, Paul Allen wrote: > Either you have very expensive cafes or very cheap restaurants. :) clearly you could have both, so it is not a very good criterion. > To over-generalize even further, a cafe is fast food with > seats. My local chip shop

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On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 at 21:06, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 15:54 Paul Allen, wrote: > >> Cafes are more about fast food with seating (again, >> a generalization). To over-generalize even further, a cafe is fast food >> with >> seats. My local chip shop (fast food) has a seat

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 15:54 Paul Allen, wrote: > Cafes are more about fast food with seating (again, > a generalization). To over-generalize even further, a cafe is fast food > with > seats. My local chip shop (fast food) has a seated area (making it a > cafe). > Does this mean that in British

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 at 20:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > On 28. Jun 2020, at 19:52, Paul Allen wrote: > > > it lies in the nature of things that you must know a thing in order to be > able to describe it in detail. You say a restaurant which hasn’t table > service is not a restaurant (and I

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

sent from a phone > On 28. Jun 2020, at 19:52, Paul Allen wrote: > > Because I can spot > a cafe by looking through the window as I go past but I cannot determine > the type of service without hanging around or going in. it lies in the nature of things that you must know a thing in order to

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On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 at 18:51, Gábor Fekete wrote: Me too. A cukrászda is definitely not a cafe in my opinion. A cukrászda > surely offers a wide variety of self-made sweets, probably coffee too. A > cafe, tagged with cuisine=cake, probably has a limited selection of cakes > (from unknown source)

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Sent from Jake Edmonds' iPhone > On 28 Jun 2020, at 19:22, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >  > > > sent from a phone > >>> On 28. Jun 2020, at 17:11, Paul Allen wrote: >>> >> Some cafes in the UK lack table service. Maybe somebody brings your >> order over after you've placed your order

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 at 18:22, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > On 28. Jun 2020, at 17:11, Paul Allen wrote: > > Some cafes in the UK lack table service. Maybe somebody brings your > order over after you've placed your order at the counter, maybe your order > is announced when it is ready and you

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

> > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 16:09:37 +0100 > From: Paul Allen > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, > cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, &

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

sent from a phone >> On 28. Jun 2020, at 17:11, Paul Allen wrote: > Some cafes in the UK lack table service. Maybe somebody brings your > order over after you've placed your order at the counter, maybe your order > is announced when it is ready and you have to get it yourself, maybe > you sit

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 at 14:58, bkil wrote: > > We are leaning towards being dissatisfied with tagging as either > shop=pastry or amenity=cafe. Less of the "we." You may be dissatisfied with those tags, I am not. > If you are interested, let me share just a few corner cases based on > the linke

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

sent from a phone >> On 28. Jun 2020, at 15:58, bkil wrote: > We are leaning towards being dissatisfied with tagging as either > shop=pastry or amenity=cafe. today I think I would prefer a generic descriptive term as the main tag (e.g. shop=sweet_bakery) and have subtags for specilizations o

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

Thank you for your additions regarding Italy and Germany, I've copied your insights into the document. So to summarize, we started to debate this around 2011 before you introduced shop=pastry and then had some more discussions in 2016, 2018 and this year too. We've also experienced the shop=confec

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

FWIW, the tag shop=pastry was introduced for these, because the tag that was in use up to then was shop=confectionery where the term seemed to describe a sweets shop. Now, pastry is probably a term which covers just a part of all these, literally. In general, it may also be a question what you want

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 at 13:21, bkil wrote: > > I'd like to ask your help in improving the definition of the venue > mostly serving self-made artisanal desserts that I describe at the end > of this message. > In British English that would be a cake shop. Or, if it wanted to sound posh, a patisser

[Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

Hello, I'd like to ask your help in improving the definition of the venue mostly serving self-made artisanal desserts that I describe at the end of this message. Before we discuss possible tagging solutions (we will probably need a new tag), we would like to have some input from mappers in other