Re: [Tagging] How to tag house numbers based on decametres?

2009-10-12 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:02 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/12 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:15 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The only problem then is how to tag the start/end of a numbering section, based on that document major

Re: [Tagging] How to tag house numbers based on decametres?

2009-10-12 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org wrote: 2009/10/12 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Surveying a few points every 100km is easier than surveying every house.  And it's likely that most of the starting/end points will already be in the database (e.g. the intersection of X

Re: [Tagging] Housenumber interpolation with regularlyskipped numbers

2009-10-12 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:   There are plans in the US to import Tiger address interpolation information - which is intentionally obfuscated for privacy reasons by law. Tobias mentioned a possible tag  interpolation:complete=yes to represent fully accurate

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Anthony
2009/10/13 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: IMHO landuse=military is already what you want to express with boundary=military. Then all the landuse=military tags can be changed, and landuse=military can be deprecated. On the other hand, ownership=military and/or access=military makes

Re: [Tagging] Housenumber interpolation with regularlyskippednumbers

2009-10-15 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Randy Thomson rwtnospam-...@yahoo.com wrote: Sounds good Martin. I have about 3000-5000 houses to tag, I'll tag the beginning and ending house addresses, on each street, if you'll tag the 15-20 individual houses in between. They're in the satellite images, so

Re: [Tagging] tagging the multipolygon model (was landuse and military)

2009-10-15 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Anthony wrote: What happens when there's a section of forest which people are using as their residence? No matter what the size, I see these as mutually exclusive. In other words they can't both occur in the same place

Re: [Tagging] tagging the multipolygon model (was landuse and military)

2009-10-16 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: Residential isn't exclusive at all. Not to say that what it's actually used for in OSM can have different meanings amongst different mappers. You'll find many parks in OSM for example inside a residential polygon. I've never

Re: [Tagging] tagging the multipolygon model (was landuse and military)

2009-10-16 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: Anthony wrote: Well then ground cover isn't what we need.  We need land use. Land use is generally studied on a parcel by parcel basis.  The fact that OSM mappers make these huge polygons which cover entire towns is fine

Re: [Tagging] Highway property proposal covered=yes

2009-10-30 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Randy rwtnospam-new...@yahoo.com wrote: Possibly just building=roof would work (not my idea, someone else suggested it). I have a much bigger preference to building=roof or building=cover on

Re: [Tagging] Highway property proposal covered=yes

2009-10-30 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Splitting the building into two parts, one at layer=0, touching the parking area, and one at layer=1, encompassing both the area next to and under the parking area, is another solution.  It's similar to what we'd do with a highway

Re: [Tagging] Highway property proposal covered=yes

2009-10-31 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:  If a highway and a building cross at the same layer, the building should be made partially transparent so the way can be seen to be covering it. Covering it - covered by it. ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC-(boundary=military)

2009-11-02 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Randy rwtnospam-new...@yahoo.com wrote: Anthony wrote: On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Randy rwtnospam-new...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd rather see boundary=federal enclave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_enclave) or something like that to represent

Re: [Tagging] Are tunnels only below ground? (Was

2009-11-04 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 6:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/11/4 Richard Bullock rb...@cantab.net We don't *have* to stick to dictionary definitions here when tagging, as long as the meaning is clear; exactly, this is not generally about dictionary definitions but

[Tagging] shared driveways (was How to tag un-named roundabout?)

2009-11-20 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Anthony o...@inbox.org writes: But I've come across situations where the unnamed road is not a roundabout, though.  In one of these cases I used highway=unclassified, because it was just a dirt road that was really just

Re: [Tagging] shared driveways

2009-11-20 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Well, that's how I would tend to see it, but it being in practice street like and large and having a name makes it feel like it's fair to label it as if it were a private way.  I wonder if it really is a private way and the

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] shared driveways

2009-11-21 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net writes: With regard to apartment complexes, condo complexes, mobile home complexes, and gated single-family-home complexes, I usually tag: - The ways that cross the boundary line

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] shared driveways

2009-11-21 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: We tend to explicitly tag whether something belongs to the site or not. That doesn't make it right. Anthony wrote: It's redundant to have the same information expressed twice, and doing so will only lead to conflicting

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-28 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: My point was about newcomers to the project, who haven't sat in on endless tedious tagging discussions (and may have no wish to do so) assuming that because every instance of a type of road they know is one

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-02 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:31 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: So, tagging list, how are you supposed to tag cyclists must dismount, bicycle=no tag no bicycles bicycle=no and what does bicycle=no mean? bicycle=no means you're not allowed to ride a bicycle. What does no bicycles

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-02 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: What does no bicycles mean?  Can you show a picture of a sign which means you aren't allowed to carry a bicycle through this area? Perhaps, as James

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-04 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: As in, bicycle=carriage_prohibited. You can't have bicycle=carriage_prohibited along with bicycle=no. It needs to be a different tag altogether, because it represents something different.

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-04 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: As in, bicycle=carriage_prohibited. You can't have bicycle=carriage_prohibited

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-04 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: with_stroller=no, etc. British English is pushchair. Baby buggy may be more international, but one underscore is more than enough. Fine

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-04 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: but one underscore is more than enough. One of these days I'm going to propose a tag with a space in it. They're not banned. Why don't we use them? ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 2:09 AM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: I'd hope that bicycle=no would have the same implications for having a bicycle without riding it as other *=no tags would for their transports. For example I would guess that where horse=no is used, you often can't walk

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?

2009-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote: Now whether one set of 20 nodes or a different set of 20 nodes better represent the shape of a road is a matter of creative subjectivity. Neither set is more mistaken nor more inaccurate than the other. What set of

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-07 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Stephen Gower socks-openstreetmap.org@ earth.li wrote: Christ Church (College) Meadows: http://oxford.cyclestreets.net/location/17860/ No Bicycles either wheeled or ridden For clarification, is that gate strictly for motor vehicle traffic? I see it also says

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-07 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Fortunately, you're not mapping for a router. If there's no verifiable data, you shouldn't map anything at all. I guess unknown would also

Re: [Tagging] A first step towards bringing the wiki and tool support closer together

2009-12-08 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Tuesday 08 December 2009 17:53:33 Anthony wrote: Information about tag support is a *good* thing, not a bad one. I now realise that Mapnik doesn't recognise *any* sport=* tags, but that's not going to stop me using

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-09 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: As I've said before, I have absolutely no idea how suitable a particular way is for bicycling. Sure, but presumably you could follow directions

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-09 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: We must be operating under different assumptions. I'm thinking it's *easier* to use a single tag, like bicycle:suitability=medium for a stretch of a few kilometres, rather than tagging the width each time it changes, the

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-09 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: There's a big difference between a fence intended to keep cars out, and one that keeps people out. *Sigh*. I'll bite. What would be a fence which is a barrier to one, but not to the other? You know barrier doesn't

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-09 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Yep. Fortunately, there aren't too many ways which use both highway=* and barrier=*. Yeah...but still. I'm not a fan of having bicycle=no mean two

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-09 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:53 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Yep. Fortunately, there aren't too many ways which use both highway=* and barrier

Re: [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-11 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 6:02 AM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: On 11/12/2009, at 5:44 PM, Roy Wallace wrote: The current wiki definition of highway=cycleway is mainly or exclusively for bicycles. This I cannot be sure of from the aerial imagery, nor can I of anything to do with

Re: [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-11 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I spotted two or three bicyclists near two or three pedestrians. Looks like shared-use, which means highway=path. I vehemently object to this rule

Re: [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-12 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: currently i'm looking at the Australian legal definitions because i'm sure the traffic engineers have answered these questions for us already. Maybe if by us you mean Australians. not at all Researching a topic means

Re: [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-12 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, Anthony wrote: You don't know how to define place_where_people_walk/cycle/drive_vehicles? It's a place, where people walk/cycle/drive_vehicles. Legal definitions aren't going to help you with that. Well

Re: [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-13 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Anthony wrote: Hmm, the resolution isn't quite as good as I was expecting. Still, I think I spotted two or three bicyclists near two or three pedestrians. Looks like shared-use, which means highway=path. I think

Re: [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-13 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Anthony wrote: Hmm, the resolution isn't quite as good as I was expecting. Still, I think I spotted two or three bicyclists near two or three

Re: [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-13 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Anthony wrote: What makes them genuine bike paths, then? Signage, or non-copyrighted data telling the user that a cyclist can go down it. So anything that a cyclists is allowed to travel on (presumably, excluding roads

Re: [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-13 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: What makes them genuine bike paths, then? Bike signs. Painted bike symbols. Documentation to that effect. Fair enough. But in the absence

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-17 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Anthony wrote: For example, just one example, here in Florida bicycles are allowed to use certain roadways (most roadways, in fact, but I'm too lazy

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-22 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Steve Bennett wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Depends on the country. I'm gonna have to disagree... if it allows both pedestrians and bicycles, that would be a

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-22 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Motorway is not a term defined in the MUTCD It is, however, a term defined in the Vienna Convention on Road Traffic, which says: On motorways and, if so provided in domestic legislation, on special approach roads to and exit roads

Re: [Tagging] Adding housnumber the lazy way.

2009-12-22 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.netalan_mintz%2b...@earthlink.net wrote: At 2009-12-22 11:59, Roy Wallace wrote: I think Karlsruhe is still the best approach - e.g. even if you have 4, 6, 12, 18, 50, an even interpolation way from 4 to 50 is the best you

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.netwrote: Are there any other official node tags that depend on a parent way to be fully defined? Barrier=entrance et. al. spring to mind. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-28 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.netwrote: Are there any other official node tags that depend on a parent way to be fully defined? Barrier=entrance et. al. spring to mind. Also highway/railway

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.netwrote: While a road might be a pre-requisite for a speed bump I wouldn't say that the road defines the speed bump. The orientation of the road defines the orientation of the speed bump, though.

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.netwrote: Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com writes: If you want to define steep as meaning greater than or equal to 15% incline, THEN it has meaning. But until then, it's meaningless. If you know the actual incline you

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways

2010-01-04 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: The primary purpose of OSM is to create useful maps, not to provide some kind of look-up service for the real world. Isn't that what a map is? Some kind of look-up service for the real world?

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways

2010-01-05 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Why is that? Presumably you think the dedicated cycleway is a better way to get somewhere. I argue that it's not the sign that makes that the case, it's the construction of the path, its location, etc. Doesn't the lack

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways

2010-01-05 Thread Anthony
Lightbulb goes off. Now I get it. highway=cycleway means highway=path, bicycle=designated. bicycle=designated means bicycles are explicitly allowed (generally, by signage) highway=footway means highway=path, foot=designated therefore, highway=footway, bicycle=designated means

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways

2010-01-06 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: therefore, highway=footway, bicycle=designated means highway=cycleway, foot=designated, which means highway=path, foot=designated, bicycle=designated.

Re: [Tagging] Easy question: _link tags for U turn/cut throughs?

2010-01-11 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote: i generally also set access=private for the official vehicle only u-turns. would access=official here be an overly fussy distinction ? I would think access=official would mean all types of traffic have official

Re: [Tagging] Easy question: _link tags for U turn/cut throughs?

2010-01-11 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: On 1/11/10 11:49 AM, Anthony wrote: It may sound like access=official means official access only, but any programs which have encoded access=* and *=official will be completely confused by such a designation

Re: [Tagging] Easy question: _link tags for U turn/cut throughs?

2010-01-11 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Can you picture a use case where it matters whether police=yes is set? Not really. But at least it's harmless. All emergency services will drive wherever physically possible. But maybe I'm oversimplifying or

Re: [Tagging] What's a power=station?

2010-01-18 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: To me power is energy. It's not a physical entity. That's just silly. Energy is a physical entity. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] What's a power=station?

2010-01-20 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/20 Anthony o...@inbox.org On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.comwrote: We map everything we can. What in the world is that supposed to mean? It's either untrue

Re: [Tagging] What's a power=station?

2010-01-20 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.comwrote: Just a little rant, but please chill down as there is no need to get so excited like this: you have no control over the situation, simple as that. The only thing I have to say about that is that the very idea of

Re: [Tagging] Islands in Parking Lots

2010-01-29 Thread Anthony
I went with a multipolygon tagged as amenity=parking. Inner nodes for the islands tagged barrier=curb. In the center of the island I stuck a natural=tree. I also tagged the strip of parking blocks with barrier=parking block.

Re: [Tagging] Islands in Parking Lots

2010-01-30 Thread Anthony
see that a carpark island is any different from any other traffic island or raised section of kerb. On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I went with a multipolygon tagged as amenity=parking. Inner nodes for the islands tagged barrier=curb. In the center

Re: [Tagging] Islands in Parking Lots

2010-01-31 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: a tree may be in a parking area, but how exactly do you propose to park on it? The more important question is what does amenity=parking

Re: [Tagging] Race track

2010-01-31 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 7:44 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 31 January 2010 10:34, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, but what about mapping the way *as an area*, e.g. if you want to accurately trace over wide vs. narrow parts of the track? I remember this

Re: [Tagging] Race track

2010-01-31 Thread Anthony
, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 1 February 2010 01:43, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Maps. If a bunch of treetops are blocking the view of a road, we'd show the road, not the treetops. How is that even relevant? The current line of thinking almost goes so far as to map

Re: [Tagging] Race track

2010-01-31 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:59 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 1 February 2010 01:51, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Among other things, I want to be able to produce http://mytechnews.info/b/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/nuvi-lane-assistance.jpg That's not photorealism

Re: [Tagging] Race track

2010-01-31 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:15 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 1 February 2010 02:10, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Maybe your implementation of micro mapping lanes doesn't have anything to do with areas, but then, if so it probably doesn't work. How do you represent

Re: [Tagging] Race track

2010-01-31 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:57 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 1 February 2010 02:50, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: That it doesn't make sense? Show me the complex interchange. Then you An example given in the past is a tri-deck road way, from memory the middle deck

Re: [Tagging] Race track

2010-01-31 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 12:22 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 1 February 2010 03:16, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: If you're not going to give a real world example (complete with a latitude and longitude), don't bother. I've told you where to look I googled 2009 SoTM

Re: [Tagging] Race track

2010-01-31 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 12:22 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 1 February 2010 03:16, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: If you're not going to give a real world example (complete with a latitude and longitude

Re: [Tagging] Islands in Parking Lots

2010-01-31 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: What tag should we use for places that people can park? If you literally mean place that people can park, this is verging on unverifiable (e.g. well *I

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-01-31 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:38 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Going with Richards idea, what about making the editor do the grunt work, place a node at a point, and then have the editor calculate the width by stretching the road way side ways, then apply the width values against

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-01-31 Thread Anthony
I've heard that before about GPS equipment, but I'm not convinced it a) is true; and b) isn't easy to workaround, even if true. The raw data received by a GPS is timing data. How can they mess up the altitude without messing up the lat and lon? And even if they can (presumably by lying about

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-01-31 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:28 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 1 February 2010 13:19, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I've got no problem with letting the editor do the grunt work. But a way with a width is difficult to connect lengthwise to another way with a width

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-01-31 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:46 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 1 February 2010 13:38, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: It's trivial with areas. If the borders touch, the areas touch. You can't do that using a way and a width, unless you expect to do a bunch of calculations

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-01-31 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:26 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 1 February 2010 14:21, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: 1) use tags on nodes to describe an area 2) use an area to describe an area Generally speaking, I predict 2) will be easier. Just like ways

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-01-31 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a brainstorming picture, plenty of kinks to be worked out if anyone's up for a challenge: http://www.myimgs.net/images/psgb.gif E.g. if we're mapping ways as areas, how should the intersection area be tagged?

Re: [Tagging] Micro Mapping, was Race track

2010-02-02 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:59 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 1 February 2010 13:31, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: that altitude error will always be worse than lat/lon error. But I think that's a good argument for not recording absolute elevation but rather recording some

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Proposed feature: Gated Communities

2010-02-04 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/2/3 Chango640 chango...@gmail.com: If you are interested in this proposal, please visit http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Gated_community to see full details and discuss. Why not use

Re: [Tagging] US Speed Limits, truck routes, bike routes, access

2010-03-06 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I'm not sure what FHWA's thinking was with the End School Zone sign (what about traffic that doesn't remember what the previous speed zone was because they turned into the school zone at a midpoint?). Same thing they

Re: [Tagging] US Speed Limits, truck routes, bike routes, access

2010-03-06 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: The school zone ends where the next speed zone starts. Hmm, I just checked a school zone near my house and I don't think that's correct. The 35 Mph sign comes before for the End School Zone sign. Do you have any source

Re: [Tagging] US Speed Limits, truck routes, bike routes, access

2010-03-07 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Anthony wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: The school zone ends where the next speed zone starts. Hmm, I just checked a school zone near my house and I don't think

Re: [Tagging] Marking intersections complete

2010-03-12 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.netalan_mintz%2b...@earthlink.net wrote: At 2010-03-12 20:07, John Smith wrote: On 13 March 2010 14:05, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.netalan_mintz%2b...@earthlink.net wrote: Any suggestion on how to tag an

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-11 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:46 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 12 April 2010 01:36, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: For a while now, I've been drawing and tagging drive through lanes at fast food restaurants with highway=service and service=drive_thru (and

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-11 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 12:13 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 12 April 2010 01:56, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: In my experience the oneway is usually explicit, as there are arrows on the ground. junction=roundabout implies oneway=yes, which is why you don't need

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-12 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:41 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 12 April 2010 22:44, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: If you want to be consistent, use underscores not hyphens, eg service=drive_through I still

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-12 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:08 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 13 April 2010 03:54, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Well, I now see that there are a few. I still don't understand why, though, and I don't think we should keep doing something which makes no sense just

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-12 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.netwrote: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I have indeed tagged a couple

Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?

2010-04-12 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: On 04/12/2010 12:48 PM, Anthony wrote: Yeah, that's what I was quoting above. However, with drive-thrus (at least here in Florida), the public does not have any right of access whatsoever. Really? So you can’t

Re: [Tagging] Ways that change names while crossing divided roadways

2010-04-25 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: Just don't give a name to the small ways between the left and right streets. It's not part of either road on both sides anyway. Seems like the best way to go - easy for routers to simply ignore really short unnamed ways.

Re: [Tagging] Roadside maps

2010-05-17 Thread Anthony
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: the other issue, of course, is when the map contains mistakes, which may be intentional on the part of the map maker. And then what about when the map mistakes become the commonly accepted name of the road, and then

Re: [Tagging] Parking for businesses..

2010-05-18 Thread Anthony
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Tyler Gunn ty...@egunn.com wrote: Almost all of these types of parking lots will have some kind of notice that tow-away is enforced for unauthorized parking. So the general idea is you're free to park there, ONLY if you're visiting the businesses serviced by

Re: [Tagging] Parking for businesses..

2010-05-19 Thread Anthony
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Anthony o...@inbox.org [2010-05-18 20:47 -0400]: On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Tyler Gunn ty...@egunn.com wrote: Almost all of these types of parking lots will have some kind of notice that tow-away is enforced

Re: [Tagging] FW: Parking for businesses..

2010-05-19 Thread Anthony
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:55 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 20 May 2010 06:28, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: One problem I have with the concept of access=destination, even beyond the fact that it says right of access, is that parking lots quite often aren't connected

Re: [Tagging] FW: FW: Parking for businesses..

2010-05-19 Thread Anthony
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Tyler Gunn ty...@egunn.com wrote: I think in most circumstances it is probably pretty clear which business a parking lot is intended for though. Agreed, although the situations in which it's not so clear are the ones where OSM could really get an advantage

Re: [Tagging] FW: FW: Parking for businesses..

2010-05-20 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:50 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 20 May 2010 22:46, Tyler Gunn ty...@egunn.com wrote: Lol, now just think if we micro-mapped each tree in the parking lot you could get your GPS to determine the spot that is likely to be in shade for a large

Re: [Tagging] highway=motorway and motorroad (implies)

2010-06-10 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: It was said here that some motorways allow bicycle in US. But nowhere else. The US does not recognize motorway as a designation. So a motorway is whatever we define it to be. I'd say that by definition a motorway does not allow

Re: [Tagging] highway=motorway and motorroad (implies)

2010-06-10 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.comwrote: IMO, if the law defines motorways to have certain features, these should be implied. How about the Vienna Convention on Road Traffic: [quote]Motorway means a road specially designed and built for motor traffic

Re: [Tagging] highway=motorway and motorroad (implies)

2010-06-13 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: They should be tagged highway=motorway bicycle=yes or bicycle=designated. Based on that second pdf, wouldn't something like bicycle=shoulder_only be more accurate? In any case, I don't think it should be called a

Re: [Tagging] highway=motorway and motorroad (implies)

2010-06-15 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: Anthony wrote: I wouldn't suggest tagging a road with bicycle=yes if bicycles are only permitted in a bike lane either. How's a router supposed to know how to handle turns if it thinks the bikes are allowed to use

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