Re: how do you move a file with w/e

[Reg Webb via Talk]

It's Control+x to cut to clipboard.  The file won't move until you paste
it.
If you don't want deleted files in the recycle bin, hit shift+delete and
they're permanently gone.

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On Mon, 29 May 2017 10:44:28 -0500
Tom Fairhurst via Talk  wrote:

> I have never actualy tried to move a file. What I do is this. I highlight the 
> file or files I want to move using the cursor keys. I then press CONTROL+C to 
> copy the material to the clipboard. I then move to the directory in which I 
> wish to place the file or files. I then paste them there with CONTROL+V. 
> Next, I go back to the directory where the original file is and delete it. 
> This puts the file in the Recycle Bin. I know there is a way to actually move 
> a file, but at least this way, I am assured that my file is not lost or 
> destroyed somewhere in the process. If worse comes to worse, I can restore 
> the file from the recycle bin. Of course, when I am totally satisfied, I 
> empty the Recycle Bin. Note that these are all Windows keystroke that should 
> work with any screen reader.
> 
> -Original Message- From: mcleod stinnett via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 6:25 AM
> To: talk
> Subject: how do you move a file with w/e
> 
> I haven't moved a file since I used outspoken screen reader. I want to
> move a file from one directory to another and I need to know how to do
> that with latest w/e, thanks
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Re: window eyes shut down and start up sounds how to save those.

[Reg Webb via Talk]

On my system, the files are in Program files (X86)/GW Micro/Window-eyes. 
They are called WE_startup.wav and WE_shutdown.wav

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On Sat, 20 May 2017 14:14:12 +0800
"Thomas N. Chan via Talk"  wrote:

> From what I understand, there should be  a way, but its within the script
> manager to do so.
> But nobody has written such. you can customize the startup message, ending
> or shutdown message, and by the looks of things, there's should be the
> script command to be written.
> 
> I personally don't know how to write jaws scripts as yet, its been a while
> since I really touch that. if for other programming language, I might have a
> chance to do so.
> 
> 
> 
> regards
> Thomas N. Chan 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Amanda Lee via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, 20 May 2017 3:19 AM
> To: groov...@juno.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> 
> Subject: RE: window eyes shut down and start up sounds how to save those.
> 
> JAWS will announce 'Unloading JAWS' when it unloads.  I haven't observed
> there being available startup or shutdown sounds for JAWS.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Sue J. Ward via Talk
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 12:51 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: window eyes shut down and start up sounds how to save those.
> 
>   Hello. Since I don't know if Jaws does have a start up and shut down 
> sound how do I save the window eyes shut down and start up sounds so I 
> maybe could use them with jaws? I like those, cause if I need to use 
> NVDA for something, then after am done with using NVDA I would have to 
> exit NVDA then start up jaws again I want to at least save a sound or 
> something so I can tell what is going on whenever I load or unload jaws. 
> I have not migrated to jaws as of yet, but it sounds easy and different 
> at the same time. Hope there will be more podcasts out for us window 
> eyes users so we can get used to jaws.
> 
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Re: Trying once again with link to podcast

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Thank you Thomas

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On Fri, 19 May 2017 20:57:07 +0800
"Thomas N. Chan via Talk"  wrote:

> Can't believe I didn't paste the url here previously
> So sorry about it.
> https://www.sendspace.com/file/0iixus
> 
> 
> 
> regards
> Thomas N. Chan 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Reg Webb [mailto:regw...@btinternet.com] 
> Sent: Friday, 19 May 2017 8:49 PM
> To: Thomas N. Chan ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: Trying once again with link to podcast
> 
> Hi Thomas and thank you.
> I don't have a download manager, so a Sendspace or Dropbox public link
> would be much appreciated.
> 
> -- 
> Reg
> 
> 
> On Fri, 19 May 2017 20:05:09 +0800
> "Thomas N. Chan via Talk"  wrote:
> 
> > It really depends how your computer or PC is setup. But what I can do for
> > you is, I downloaded the file, upload on sendspace and you can download it
> > from there. 50mb or so. Too big to send it to you by email.
> > 
> > The other alternative is, copy the original  url I gave before onto a
> > download manager. This is how I did it.
> > 
> > 
> > regards
> > Thomas N. Chan 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Reg Webb [mailto:regw...@btinternet.com] 
> > Sent: Friday, 19 May 2017 5:28 PM
> > To: Thomas N. Chan ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > 
> > Subject: Re: Trying once again with link to podcast
> > 
> > thanks for a link that works.  How do I get it to download rather than
> > just play?
> > -- 
> > Reg
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 19 May 2017 16:40:12 +0800
> > "Thomas N. Chan via Talk"  wrote:
> > 
> > > I think the url broke into a few lines which even if you would copy the
> > > lines, you still can't get it working. I also notice there's a
> unnecessary
> > > spacing which cause the link or url not to work.
> > > I did this in tinyurl.
> > > https://tinyurl.com/maphkr6
> > > 
> > > I tested it myself, so it should work.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > regards
> > > Thomas N. Chan 
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Talk
> > > [mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> > > Sent: Friday, 19 May 2017 11:47 AM
> > > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> > > Subject: Trying once again with link to podcast
> > > 
> > > Ok, one more time.  Gotta go to bed after this one:
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >
> >
> http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast138-Software_Upda
> > > tes,Key_Labels,Eric_Damery_at_CSUN.mp3
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I think this one will work.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Sorry for all the trouble.
> > > 
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Re: Trying once again with link to podcast

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi Thomas and thank you.
I don't have a download manager, so a Sendspace or Dropbox public link
would be much appreciated.

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On Fri, 19 May 2017 20:05:09 +0800
"Thomas N. Chan via Talk"  wrote:

> It really depends how your computer or PC is setup. But what I can do for
> you is, I downloaded the file, upload on sendspace and you can download it
> from there. 50mb or so. Too big to send it to you by email.
> 
> The other alternative is, copy the original  url I gave before onto a
> download manager. This is how I did it.
> 
> 
> regards
> Thomas N. Chan 
> -Original Message-
> From: Reg Webb [mailto:regw...@btinternet.com] 
> Sent: Friday, 19 May 2017 5:28 PM
> To: Thomas N. Chan ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: Trying once again with link to podcast
> 
> thanks for a link that works.  How do I get it to download rather than
> just play?
> -- 
> Reg
> 
> 
> On Fri, 19 May 2017 16:40:12 +0800
> "Thomas N. Chan via Talk"  wrote:
> 
> > I think the url broke into a few lines which even if you would copy the
> > lines, you still can't get it working. I also notice there's a unnecessary
> > spacing which cause the link or url not to work.
> > I did this in tinyurl.
> > https://tinyurl.com/maphkr6
> > 
> > I tested it myself, so it should work.
> > 
> > 
> > regards
> > Thomas N. Chan 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk
> > [mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> > Sent: Friday, 19 May 2017 11:47 AM
> > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> > Subject: Trying once again with link to podcast
> > 
> > Ok, one more time.  Gotta go to bed after this one:
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >
> http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast138-Software_Upda
> > tes,Key_Labels,Eric_Damery_at_CSUN.mp3
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I think this one will work.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Sorry for all the trouble.
> > 
> >  
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Re: Trying once again with link to podcast

[Reg Webb via Talk]

thanks for a link that works.  How do I get it to download rather than
just play?
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On Fri, 19 May 2017 16:40:12 +0800
"Thomas N. Chan via Talk"  wrote:

> I think the url broke into a few lines which even if you would copy the
> lines, you still can't get it working. I also notice there's a unnecessary
> spacing which cause the link or url not to work.
> I did this in tinyurl.
> https://tinyurl.com/maphkr6
> 
> I tested it myself, so it should work.
> 
> 
> regards
> Thomas N. Chan 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Friday, 19 May 2017 11:47 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Subject: Trying once again with link to podcast
> 
> Ok, one more time.  Gotta go to bed after this one:
> 
>  
> 
> http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast138-Software_Upda
> tes,Key_Labels,Eric_Damery_at_CSUN.mp3
> 
>  
> 
> I think this one will work.
> 
>  
> 
> Sorry for all the trouble.
> 
>  
> 
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Re: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer

[Reg Webb via Talk]

OK sorry Georges.
I have my speech and other audio going into separate channels on a
mixer, so I can just mute whichever channel I want.
When I'm broadcasting, I use my trusty old Appolo II, so I don't
have to broadcast my screen reader output to the world.

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On Wed, 10 May 2017 11:29:11 -0400
Georges Zeinoun via Talk  wrote:

> Now you missunderstood me since I asked earlier about redirecting speech 
> output, I really want to toggle mute the synthesizer, thanks.
> Original message:
> > I don't think so Georges, assuming you want to be using your speakers
> > for something else while you're listening to your speech on headphones.
> > If you don't want to be able to route something through the speakers,
> > while you're listening to your speech through headphones, then inserting
> > your headphone jack will probably mute the speakers anyway.
> 
> > --
> > Reg
> > 
> 
> > On Wed, 10 May 2017 11:05:20 -0400
> > Georges Zeinoun via Talk  wrote:
> 
> >> Is there a way to do it temporarily and how?
> 
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Re: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer

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I don't think so Georges, assuming you want to be using your speakers
for something else while you're listening to your speech on headphones.
If you don't want to be able to route something through the speakers,
while you're listening to your speech through headphones, then inserting
your headphone jack will probably mute the speakers anyway.

-- 
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> Is there a way to do it temporarily and how?
> 
> -- Georges Zeinoun
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Re: Choosing From Where Speech Comes

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Georges

You'll need to be using a different sound device for your speech.  Then
you can direct it to that device, with headphones coming out of it, via
the synthesizer setting dialogue.  Select the speech synth, and tab to
the combo box which lists the available sound devices.

-- 
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On Wed, 10 May 2017 07:08:08 -0400
Georges Zeinoun via Talk  wrote:

> Is there a way in Window-Eyes to redirect speech to come through the 
> headphone jack instead from the pc-speaker like in NVDA and JAWS? If yes how 
> to do it?
> 
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Speech pausing after a period.

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all

I still can't get my speech to pause after a period at the end of a
sentence.  I think it used to, but now it just plows on, which doesn't
help with meaning.

Any suggestions?

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Re: Becky email questions

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi Mike and all

For some reason Chris's link didn't work for me in Firefox, but it does
in IE, which I don't understand, but then, that applies to a lot of
things.

ATB
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On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 08:39:47 -0400
Mike Rogers via Talk  wrote:

> Thanks Chris.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> www.harmonicaworkshops.com
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> 
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 03:02:23 -0400
> Chris G via Talk  wrote:
> 
> > Set your page up and down as cursoring keys and set them to read field data.
> > You can then go through the email using page up and down.
> > Here is a link to sets I created a while ago:
> > https://od.lk/d/NzBfMjAwNDM2Ml8/b2.wepm
> > 
> > They are simple sets and I packaged them for simple instalation.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Chris Grabowski
> > Mystic Access
> > Where the magic is in learning.
> > http://www.MysticAccess.com
> > 
> > Check out our eclectic and comprehensive assistive technology podcasts at:
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> > 
> > 
> >  Original Message 
> > From: Curtis Delzer via Talk
> > Sent: Friday, Apr 21, 2017 6:34 PM EST
> > To: Donald L. Roberts; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Becky email questions
> > 
> > I am using Becky! at this moment and I am committed to it. It is simple
> > software with a potentially complex approach which you can either use or
> > ignore. Two views are useable with speech, either the html view from the
> > IE component built into windows, or convert to text which is the easiest.
> > Press downarrow and tab to read the subject and / or sender of the
> > message, and window-eyes by default will read the first 24 lines of the
> > message. "read-to-end" however is broken in the latest window-eyes, and
> > no one seems to know why, but it is easily overcome with the space bar
> > which displays the next screen of the message and hitting
> > "control-shift-d" which reads the field data which I have set up.
> > I completely recommend Becky! which is not so convoluted as Thunderbird,
> > has no adds, and you do not need to use an HTML viewer or creator unless
> > you wish too to read or write mail. It is quick at gathering mail, has
> > pop and that other format which I can't remember the name of but it is
> > seriously implemented, is very easy to set up, and configure.
> > -
> > Curtis Delzer, HS.
> > WB6HEF
> > San Bernardino, CA
> > 
> > On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 19:48:18 -0700
> > "Donald L. Roberts via Talk"  wrote:
> > 
> > Although I really like most things about the Thunderbird email program, I 
> > continue to encounter one problem which frustrates me to the point where I 
> > wish to at least try other email programs, in this case Becky.
> > 
> > 
> > The frustration of which I speak is that Window-eyes 9.5.4 almost always 
> > will repeat either the subject line or the first two lines of almost any 
> > email message. Earlier versions of W E showed similar behavior on this HP 
> > desktop which is now running Windows 10 creator.  In fairness, Jaws 
> > sometimes exhibits this behavior but far less than W E. Also Jaws 16 takes 
> > significantly longer on my system to load an email message.  I have played 
> > with the trigger delay and other W E settings in the hope of at least 
> > reducing the occurrence of this as I am resigned to never completely 
> > eliminating it.  Nothing helps much.  I know that some on this list 
> > indicate that they do not experience this phenomenon although others do.
> > 
> > 
> > The bottom line here is that I have decided to take Becky for a trial run 
> > and hope some lister will point me both to the GW Micro posts on what 
> > modifications need to be made to Becky and also Chris Grabowsky's tutorial 
> > on its usage.
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks for letting me vent.
> > 
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Pausing at the end of a sentence

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all

I'm using the latest W-E, with Vocalizer Expressive Samantha.
I think a new development is that the voice no longer pauses after the
period at the end of a sentence.  I think this used to happen.  As usual,
I may have changed something in attempting to resolve another problem.
Any ideas?

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What Window-Eyes internet setting have I accidentally changed?

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all

I've been recently reviewing W-E settings, following a crisis which
turned out to be more to do with my graphics card than anything else.

Now, I'm getting a line of numbers above a link name, and the "like" or
"Thumbs up" emoticon is now being rendered as a series of zeros.

Any ideas?
Thanks for any help

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Re: yesterday's app update

[Reg Webb via Talk]

It runs a check on your Window-Eyes installation in relation to a
specific problem you may be having, so support can see what's going on.
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:38:09 -0700
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> I believe the app was diat.we. What is this app for?
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Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

[Reg Webb via Talk]

You can set braille input and output on the iPhone, contracted, 6 dot,
or 8 dot in both cases.

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On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:38:15 -0700
Terri Pannett via Talk  wrote:

>  From what people have posted on various lists that I belong to, I understand 
> that using braille on an Apple device would be a challenge. This is because 
> everything is translated into grade 2 instantly so if you don't write fast 
> enough, your text will be garbled. People who prefer braille will still have 
> to use either a braille notetaker or a braille display to read and write 
> braille with an Apple device.
> 
> I not only object to touch screens, I also object to using complicated Apple 
> and Android devices.
> 
> If you like your I device, that's fine, but don't force me to buy one.
> 
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Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Pam

And for those who would monopolise, the prospects for screwing more
money out of their friends in government agencies don't look so rosy
under a Trump administration which would only get interested if the
president himself went blind.

-- 
Reg


On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:51:21 -0400
Pamela Dominguez via Talk  wrote:

> I remember when this all went down, I referred to VFO as a monopoly, and was 
> smartly chastized for it.  I don't know why.  To me, it seems like it has 
> taken over everything.  Isn't that a monopoly?  Pam.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via 
> Talk
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:34 PM
> To: 'Tony C' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account
> 
> Tony, I could not agree more!  It seems to me that blind folks are pretty
> happy being ripped off.  Petitions fall on deaf ears, elements of deceitful
> dishonesty beat down like hurricanes and tornados, and stun guns are always
> at the ready to fire and knock the blind out!
> 
> If the goings-on had happened in the mainstream, antitrust law would have
> been cited and everything would have gone under quietly.  With impunity and
> flagrant disregard, the blind continue to borrow the phrase from Animal
> Farm:  "Four legs good, two legs bad!"  Milk on Freedom Scientific, V F O
> Group, AI Square, ...  Did I miss any?
> 
> Hmm, anyone knows what's holding the U.S. Treasury back from complying with
> the court order by making the dollar bill more accessible?  The junk
> noteteller they choose to hand me is utterly worthless and useless
> especially in a business environment where I have more prying eyes watching.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
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Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Well said sir.  That's more like it.
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:34:25 -0600
"Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk" 
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> Tony, I could not agree more!  It seems to me that blind folks are pretty
> happy being ripped off.  Petitions fall on deaf ears, elements of deceitful
> dishonesty beat down like hurricanes and tornados, and stun guns are always
> at the ready to fire and knock the blind out!  
> 
> If the goings-on had happened in the mainstream, antitrust law would have
> been cited and everything would have gone under quietly.  With impunity and
> flagrant disregard, the blind continue to borrow the phrase from Animal
> Farm:  "Four legs good, two legs bad!"  Milk on Freedom Scientific, V F O
> Group, AI Square, ...  Did I miss any?  
> 
> Hmm, anyone knows what's holding the U.S. Treasury back from complying with
> the court order by making the dollar bill more accessible?  The junk
> noteteller they choose to hand me is utterly worthless and useless
> especially in a business environment where I have more prying eyes watching.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
> 
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Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

[Reg Webb via Talk]

I happen to think, on a humanitarian rather than on a political level,
that some goods and services, defined as essential, should be shielded
from market forces.  I would include health care (I'm British), and
access technology.
In this category, people like clinicians and the developers of
technology should be paid well for their expertise, but the price should
not be armped up by supply and demand, scarcity value, ETC.  The
prospect of somene else's profit margin, over and above proper salaries,
preventing someone with cancer from receiving treatment, or a blind
person being able to have the means of cummunicating in a digital world,
is obscene.  And "That's just the way it is" is defeatist talk in my
opinion.

-- 
Reg


On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:17:48 -0500
Tony C via Talk  wrote:

> Yeah! but the prices make it to where a fair number of the blind can't buy a 
> screen reader. I know there's a lot of work that goes into creating and 
> keeping a screen reader up to date. But, I also know there are a lot of 
> Government substities for such. Just like the Lighthouse's get donations, 
> grants, and tax exempt status, and yet there products cost twice as much as 
> open market products. Tell me this, how many of the top 10 people at Freedom 
> scifi, or VFO are actually blind??? These top 10 are also the top wage, 
> bonus, expense, earners, and so on and so forth.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:33 PM
> To: Evan Reese ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Pamela Dominguez
> Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account
> 
> To be fair, the disparity between the price of a screen reader and the
> price of a desk top has everything to do with supply and demand.  Fewer
> consumers are purchasing desk tops.  Until most screen reader users
> replace their screen readers with Iphone-like products, the price of a
> screen reader will likely not decrease much.
> 
> On 3/16/2017 5:35 PM, Evan Reese via Talk wrote:
> > Hmmm, how about a screenreader company that charges more for their
> > product than a decent desktop these days? Some people might call that
> > being "penalized" simply to access their PC, something any sighted
> > person can do right out of the box.
> > Evan
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
> > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 5:02 PM
> > To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account
> >
> > Yes.  Somebody said about something:  "The only way it's hard is if you
> > make
> > it hard".  Well, it seems to me that that is quight subjective.  He is
> > speaking from his own experience.  Those of us who don't rush to get every
> > little new thing don't think that way.  I don't see why we should be
> > penalized because we don't want a touch screen or whatever the newest > 
> > thing
> > is.  Pam.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
> > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 1:11 PM
> > To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Cc: Reeva Webb
> > Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account
> >
> > I understand that.  And that is great, for you.  I just can't deal with
> > touch screens.  Give me buttons to push.  As I said in an earlier note,
> > the same solution isn't for everyone.  You guys and your i whatevers
> > think they solve the world's access problems.  Perhaps for some they do.
> >  I can't figure out how to run my IPod.
> > 73
> > Butch
> > WA0VJR
> > Node 3148
> > Wallace, ks.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 16 Mar 2017, Russ Kiehne
> > via Talk wrote:
> >
> >> In my case, my ipad mini 4 has taken the place of my victor reader
> >> stream first generation, Booksense standard and plextalk pocket.  It
> >> has more volume, better battery life and better sound.  It does
> >> everything they do and a lot more.
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Reeva Webb via Talk
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:54 PM
> >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Dennis Long
> >> Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account
> >>
> >> You know, this gets me thinking esp. With the conversations I've had
> >> in the
> >> past week. We're getting what we wanted for years. We can go into a
> >> electronics store and buy a iphone, a android phone, a mac, a chromebook
> >> and soon windows computers  with accessibility out of the box. You don't
> >> have to spend extra money unless you want to.  While what is happening
> >> with
> >> zt fusion, something I spent my own money to buy makes me mad. I'm
> >> seriously considering just going fully with mainstream products. I find
> >> myself using my android devices more and pulling out my laptop less.
> >>
> >>
> >> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
> >> night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
> >>
> >> Reeva
> >>
> >> On Mar 16, 2017 1:18 AM, "Dennis Long via Talk"
> >> 

Touch screen phones

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi Matt

Yes, I find my phone bluetoothed to a Braille note taker, while being a
bit more cumbersome, is much more reliable, and writing in grade 2
braille is much faster (for me at least) than I could ever achieve via
an on screen keyboard.

Incidentally, my note taker is a Braille Sense Plus, which I became
aware of because it was developed in conjunction with GW Micro.  As I
bought mine, GW dropped it, or was dropped (sad).

-- 
Reg


On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 06:43:02 -0400
Matthew Chao via Talk  wrote:

> Personally, I miss the phones with physical buttons/keyboards. Try using a 
> touchscreen with cold fingers and see how far you get.  One size does not fit 
> all.--Matt, N1IBB.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/15/2017 11:12 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> > Problem is you i phone users think everyone can use one and can use a > 
> > touch screen.  They are not for everyone.  I think blind folks fall > into 
> > that worse than any group.  if it works for me, it is great for > 
> > everyone
> > 73
> > Butch
> > WA0VJR
> > Node 3148
> > Wallace, ks.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:
> >
> >> I really think that in the very near future "adaptive" technology >> will 
> >> become a thing of the past. We aren't there yet, but more and >> more 
> >> things are becoming voice activated, and voice commanded. The >> market 
> >> for such special items as Window-eyes and Jaws is waining. >> Heck, the I 
> >> phone out of the box gives the blind user access to GPS, >> internet 
> >> searches, txt messageing, etc, without the need of an >> expensive piece 
> >> of software that at best in moderately useable. It's >> just a matter of 
> >> time.
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:05 PM
> >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> >> Subject: Failure to hold VFO to account
> >>
> >> Greetings all.
> >>
> >> I've just flicked through the latest edition of Access World from >> AFB.  
> >> We are promised CSUN updates in April.
> >>
> >> In the 21st  Century, and with our accessible technology industry >> going 
> >> through significant change, not to mention the demise of the >> pony 
> >> express, the failure of someone to get down and dirty with VFO >> 
> >> leadership suggests to me that we are being let down by credible >> 
> >> information sources.
> >>
> >> Quite reasonably, AFB promotes its sponsorship of the Blind Bargain >> 
> >> blogs concerning CSUN events and exhibits, but these don't cut it >> 
> >> iehter.
> >>
> >> One of the disappointing things about services like Apple Vis is that >> 
> >> although often people exchange useful information, the leadership >> fails 
> >> to critique the shortcomings of Apple with respect to its >> developments 
> >> in the specialty area of access. The same seems true on >> the Windows 
> >> side of the divide - with no one prepared to critique >> VFO's behaviours.
> >>
> >> Vaughan.
> >>
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Re: Window-Eyes app for Reaper released.

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Great stuff Tom

As a Window-eyes user, I've been hovering on the fringes of this list
for ages, trying t make Sonar work, with varying degrees of success.
Your efforts have now made me ready to commit, along with Chris's praise
of recent Reaper improvements.
So, he said wishfully thinking, is there any one place where I can get
hold of clear tutorial information, and a list or lists of relevant
keystrokes?
As I wander towards retirement, home recording beyond midi beckons.

Best wishes

-- 
Reg


On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 20:17:51 -0500
Tom Kingston via Talk  wrote:

> Thanks, Dave.
> 
> The app is really an interconnect for Window-Eyes and OSARA, a MSAA 
> accessibility extension for Reaper. So it just makes everything talk that 
> doesn't out of the box.
> 
> The RWP mailing list I mentioned is a good place to get help. Someone 
> recently posted an HTML version of the PDF manual to make it easier to 
> navigate. And someone else posted a text file with a list of all the hot 
> keys. But if you don't want to join the list just let me know and I'll upload 
> them to Dropbox.
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 1/31/2017 7:23 PM, Dave wrote:
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > Tom has anyone told you that you are  a Class Act?
> >
> > I have struggled with Sonar now for years.  Have never used Reaper, but
> > have thought about it enough, but never put any action to my thoughts.
> >
> > Is there a Help file with this new App, telling what Reaper features the
> > App now gives Access?
> >
> >
> > Grumpy Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Braille display stuff

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Vaughan, I agree with you completely.
I have always believed that the corporate model has no place in the
access technology field, since it puts profit above humanity.  This has
nothing to do with paying people who know what they're talking about a
proper rate for their knowledge and commitment, it's the other layers of
hangers-on who are the problem.  If there's a choice between first class
support and the amount of this year's dividend, the former will be
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 09:56:15 +1300
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> Hi all.
> 
> I intend to use this message to also discuss list moderation and user support 
> requirements.
> 
> 
> Prompted by a list member's comment that Support did not know about the 
> braille display freezing problem: I've browsed through the list archives.  If 
> you do a simple search just on braille, there are 420 posts. More 
> sophisticated searches can of course be carried out.   Topic themes vary, but 
> there is discussion about braille displays freezing, and the need to restart 
> Window-eyes to bring them back to life.
> 
> So: shame on support - one would hope that at the very least, as part of 
> trying to be helpful, searching the company's own customer support resource 
> would have informed the customer support person.
> 
> This morning, using my serial number so that it is a customer support 
> request, I emailed Aaron and the Wesupport address.  Neither has bounced, but 
> I do know that people have asked if Aaron is still around and I haven't seen 
> a reply to that request.
> 
> Folks: we are on our own.  We have been very patient, tolerant - and yes - at 
> least a little angry.  Perhaps we start a process for setting up a list 
> moderator and finding ways of formally helping ourselves. We could propose 
> that we take the list away from VFO.  Alternatively as a variation - people 
> might prefer to start our own and we just unsubscribe from this one.   I 
> would prefer the cooperation of VFO - but we aren't getting that 
> co-operation.I also believe that an old-fashioned email list helps keep a 
> sense of quality through the conversations, and is also more useful to more 
> people than more contemporary social networking.
> 
> If people report problemxs with getting support questions answered, someone 
> who is prepared to fight the fight and has the time could tackle the VFO 
> corporatocracy to get some action.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Vaughan.
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Re: Vocalizer Expressive installation problem

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Hi Jay and thanks for your suggestion

It turned out that it was an older version of the voice installer, which
was either outdated or corrupted.
I was initially confused because Samantha seemed not to be available.  I
had to select American English first of course.  Having done thatt,
overwritten the installer, and installed again, it now works.

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> Hi. 
> 
> Have you tried restarting window-eyes, and or your computer? 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Jay. 
> > On Jan 18, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Reg Webb via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi all
> > With the latest Window-eyes I'm using the Tom Premium High voice
> > successfully.  I also have Samantha, but this voice will not work.  I
> > have installed the voice and what I believe to be the correct
> > authorisation file.  The voice now shows up in the list, but pressing
> > "activate" produces silence until the synth settings are reverted.
> > Any thoughts anyone?
> > 
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Vocalizer Expressive installation problem

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all
With the latest Window-eyes I'm using the Tom Premium High voice
successfully.  I also have Samantha, but this voice will not work.  I
have installed the voice and what I believe to be the correct
authorisation file.  The voice now shows up in the list, but pressing
"activate" produces silence until the synth settings are reverted.
Any thoughts anyone?

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Clipboard keys

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hi all

With the latest W-E and Windows7, W-E suddenly stopped saying "copy to
clipboard" ETC.  How do I get that back.  I've been wandering around in
the labyrinth without success.

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Re: Screen Reader Reflections, from abroad

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Thank you very much for this David.  Also, how good to meet someone who,
like me, was not born to brevity.  If something's worth saying, it's
worth saying properly.  Also, you are to be congratulated on your
English, a capacity which, in many Scandinavians, Germans, Dutch ETC.,
puts us anglophones to shame.

In sharp comparison to a recent presidential election, how refreshing it
is to hear opinions actually supported by facts!

Best wishes from the UK

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David via Talk  wrote:

> First of all, a small correction. I did not mean to say whether there 
> will be more Window-Eyes users than Jaws users locally. I just said that 
> the authorities have prioritized the WE screen reader for a handful years.
> 
> 
> In practical terms, that means that if you are a new user, and do apply 
> for a screen reader, and you don't have special reasons for sticking to 
> a particular product, you likely will be given a copy of Window-Eyes. 
> Specially so, since you can install the localized version of WE, on as 
> many computers as possible, which is not the case with Jaws (from what I 
> am told).
> 
> 
> Would you happen to be an existing Jaws user, or a user of any other 
> screen reader, and need an update of your product, you will still get 
> the upgrade of your existing product. So, you are currently not forced 
> to change screen reader.
> 
> 
> Pricing, licensing and whatever other reasons, currently have been a bit 
> more favorable on Window-Eyes than what was the case with Jaws. On the 
> other hand, to my understanding Jaws has been on the market over here, 
> for a few years more than Window-eyes, and for different reasons were 
> the prioritized product from many authority agents for a number of 
> years. As such, we will have a considerable number of existing Jaws 
> users - from old.
> 
> 
> Hope that cleared up my somehow vague description of the local practice, 
> and do apologize for not being too specific in my original message. If 
> you look at my illustrative figures, I even specified that quite a 
> number of users would NOT be current Window-Eyes users. That is why my 
> figures did go that low.
> 
> 
> Having all that said, let's go back another five years or so, and things 
> were a bit different. At that time, it was even more up to the user to 
> determine what screen reader he or she wanted. In those days, the local 
> dealers did a job on convincing you why you should choose their product, 
> above the others. Locally, you would find both Window-Eyes, Supernova, 
> and Jaws. Each being promoted as more or less superior. With some 
> dealers being a bit more on the forefront, this caused a load of users 
> to choose the most promoted screen reader; not necessarily the one that 
> served them the better, or the one that would be most economic for the 
> paying authorities. Licensing issues, along with the fact that 
> Window-Eyes at the time could be said to be a bit outstanding, amongst 
> other things due to the scripting capabilities, might have been some 
> heavy reasons why the authorities decided to make it more of a default 
> choice, for the newer users.
> 
> 
> Yet, this all will be a bit simplified a picture of the whole situation. 
> You might experience slight differences from one area in our country, to 
> the other. It all would depend on how much the user insist on going for 
> one screen reader, or the other. Sometimes, if a user wants a specific 
> Braille display, and that happens to be the one the Jaws dealer would be 
> selling, the authority agent who process your application, might judge 
> that it will be an easier go to have one and same dealer for the 
> complete computer system. Should the next user insist on a Braille 
> display, a Braille embosser, or another piece of equipment that is sold 
> by the Window-Eyes dealer, again the agent might find it more convenient 
> to order a total package from one and same seller. And then, if the user 
> is a bit more informed, and insist on choosing one product from that 
> dealer, and the other product from the next dealer, the agent will 
> likely put together a cross-board package for you.
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, in this regard, the dealer of Window-Eyes might not 
> necessarily be the most foreground one, though that might be just what I 
> as an end-user would feel. Alot of these decisions, are made behind the 
> scene, since every so often, the authorities will have a review of their 
> contracts with the dealers in the market. Such a review, about a decade 
> ago, lead to at least one screen reader falling totally out of the 
> approved list of products, due to the dealer not meeting the 
> requirements from the authorities. The dealers will have to meet 
> requirements on delivering time, customer service, pricing and 
> licensing, stock-keeping - along with who knows whatever else. When will 
> they do the next review? I 

Help with Sonar 7 or 8's midi event list

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all

Having finally got W-E9.5.3 to read the standard track window, it no
longer reads the event list.  The window is there, but doesn't read. 
Also, it used to say "star" when a track was selected with comma.  This
is no longer true.
Is default.set sufficient, since the Sonar set files are no longer shown,
and I've been told that Sonar Enhance.wepm is no longer necessary.

Help please!.
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Steve Clower

[Reg Webb via Talk]

After having striven mightily to help me with a Sonar problem, my last
mail to Steve Clower got an automated reply, indicating that he has left
A I Squared.  This was a bit sudden wasn't it?

If you have any support matters pending with Steve, you might want to
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Sonar 7 and 8 no longer read the standard track lay-out with the arrow keys

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Hi all

I have the latest window-eyes, and Sonar (7 or 8) has suddenly stopped
reading the tracks with the arrow keys - up/down, left/right.

Relevantly or not, NVDA reads the tracks as Window-Eyes used to.

Should I call support to resolve this, or does anyone have a handy
suggestion?

I am running the Sonar Enhance ap, and I have the .reg file installed. 
Completely at a loss, and this is important for my work as a musician.

Thanks for any help

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Re: The future of Window-eyes

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Thank you Tom for being constructive as ever.

We must talk to people assuming that they are concerned about the
purpose of their product, rather than simply looking
for a means of maximising their revenue.  Talking to the latter is
pointless, so let's at least assume that there is, in the policy of the
company, some distinction between something like access technology
and optional luxury products.

For example, whatever health care system we live under, we hope that
our doctor has some interest in curing us, rather than in merely
maximising his/her personal profit.

I personally think there has to be a sharp distinction
between getting paid well for doing something well, and making profit
for its own sake.

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On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 23:33:51 -0400
Tom Kingston via Talk  wrote:

> This thread is fine. We all need to vent. But the most productive thing we 
> can do is to let VFO know how we feel.
> 
> I would encourage all of you to take a deep breath, sit down, and spend some 
> time writing a serious letter to the folks at VFO. Make it professional and 
> courteous, outlining your experience with Window-Eyes, how it has helped you, 
> and so on. And if you have strong feelings about not using JAWS, let them 
> know, again, in a courteous manner. I stress this because no one is going to 
> pay any attention to raging rants while a well thought out civil message will 
> keep them reading--and hopefully get them thinking.
> 
> Here's the contact page at VFO.
> http://www.vfo-group.com/index.php/contact/
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
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Recent change in Windows7 start menu

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Has anyone else lost the list view in the start menu under Windows7?
If I tab passed the search box, it either gets stuck on repeating
"search box", or the list view with "no selected item".
I don't know when or why this happened, so I'm wondering if it's just me
to whom it has happened.
Any thoughts?

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Sonar 7 Producer with the latest W-E

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Hi Sonar users

Sonar used to happily read tracks, but now it has stopped.  I downloaded
and installed Sonar Enhance (again), but when I bring up Sonar, it isn't
shown as running.
Is this likely to be my problem.  If so, how do I fix it?  Alternatively,
what else could suddenly cause Sonar and Window-Eyes to stop
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Re: Edit boxes in Firefox and Internet Explorer

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Hi Ahsley

Thanks for trying, but I don't think I explained the problem properly.
I know how to turn browse mode on and off.  The problem is that, when
browse mode is off, I should be able to edit what I've written.  When
this happens, for whatever reason, the edit box goes silent, and normal
reviewing with the arrow keys produces only silence.  The whole box
reads with browse mode turned on, but it obviously can't be edited.  So
far, the only way I've found to make the box speak when browse mode is
off is to close and reopen W-E.
I hope that's clearer.

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On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 16:28:33 -0500
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>  When you are in and edit box try pressing control shift a to browse off
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 21, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Reg Webb via Talk 
> > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Even with the latest W-E (windows7 64 bit), I still find that I'm
> > suddenly unable to review an edit box, and I have to close and restart
> > W-E so that the edit box starts behaving properly with browse mode off. 
> > With browse mode on, I can hear what I've just written, but I can't
> > change it.
> > 
> > Also, has anyone found a way of making Facebook comments behave like
> > standard edit boxes?  At the moment, while the cursor can be anywhere in
> > the box, your comment will read from the top every time, which is 
> > irritating,
> > especially if it's a long comment.
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Edit boxes in Firefox and Internet Explorer

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Even with the latest W-E (windows7 64 bit), I still find that I'm
suddenly unable to review an edit box, and I have to close and restart
W-E so that the edit box starts behaving properly with browse mode off. 
With browse mode on, I can hear what I've just written, but I can't
change it.

Also, has anyone found a way of making Facebook comments behave like
standard edit boxes?  At the moment, while the cursor can be anywhere in
the box, your comment will read from the top every time, which is irritating,
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Re: Major java problem with 9.5.3

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John

Helpfully or not, no sign of this error for me in Windows7.

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JOHN RIEHL via Talk  wrote:

> I successfully downloaded and installed  i.5.3. When I rebooted, my Java
> updater installed a new version of Java. Now, whenever I try to do anything
> in Firefox or Internet  Explorer, I get messages saying that the Java
> plug-in has crashed, inviting me to either stop the plug-in or continue. In
> IE I get a java error.
> 
> Whether I stop the plug-in or continue, WE is unable to read anything in
> Firevox or IE and I can't get into Task manager to close it out. I also
> can't interact with anywebsite. Although I still get the errors, I can at
> least continue working using JAWS.
> 
> How do I fix this problem? 
> 
> Is anyone else having this issue?
> 
> Thanks. John 
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Off topic question - latest Skype

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Hi all

On installing the latest Skype, I got an error message about possible ad
blocking software in Internet Explorer, and I could not sign in.  Going
back to an earlier version has fixed this, but I wondered if this was
behavior others had experienced with the latest Skype?

For now, I have to keep hitting "not now" when the program is so
desperately inviting me to do what it laughably calls "upgrade".

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Re: selecting text and f8 key

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi Don

The shift key is no good to you in browse mode.  All you need to do is
press F8 at the biginning of the selection, and then arrow down, or page
down, or use any means you like to get to the end of the selection, and
press F8 again.  This is with browse mode turned on remember.
Conventional selection will work inside edit boxes with browse mode
turned off.

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On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:57:32 -0400
Don Smith via Talk  wrote:

> Hi Folks:
> 
>  
> 
> Could somebody clarify for me the difference between shiftand arrows keys
> selecting text and f8 at the beginning of text and f8 at the end of text you
> want selected:
> 
>  
> 
> It seems both work but in different situations
> 
>  
> 
> Also, I note that not always f8 at beginning of text and  f8 again will
> select the text from beginning to end..  
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Don
> 
>  
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Re: Wimamp problem

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi russ

Press control+p for preferences, find output plug ins in the treeview,
and tab to the one you're using - Wave or Direct Sound.  Tab once more
and press spacebar on "configure".  Tab through there, exploring the
various tabs, and you should find reference to "volume control".  Make
sure this is checked.  In the Wave output plug in, there is an
alternative volume control, if you don't want Winamp's volume to change
as, for example your screen reader's speech volume changes.
I still love Winamp because of the plug ins and their configurability.

HTH

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:01:00 -0700
Russ Kiehne via Talk  wrote:

> I installed winamp on this new windows 10 computer.  Here’s the problem I’m 
> having.  When I play a audio file with winanp, it’s audio levelplays at a 
> much lower volume than windows media player, itunes and groove music.  I used 
> the up arrow in winamp to increase the volume to it’s maximum level.
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Re: Enhancements for Sound forge Pro 11 version 1.1 released.

[Reg Webb via Talk]

That sounds great Tom, thanks so much.  Assuming it works, which I'm
sure it will, a donation will be coming your way.

Best wishes

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On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 11:21:19 -0400
Tom Kingston via Talk  wrote:

> Presumably it will be cleared for download sometime tomorrow.
> Change log:
> 1. I changed the Control-Alt-letter hotkeys to Control-Shift-letter to avoid 
> conflicts with Windows program shortcuts. Thanks to Steve Nutt for knocking 
> on my hollow head.
> 2. I added support for three more processing windows: Volume, Time Stretch, 
> and Pitch Shift.
> 3. I added "Email Tom" and "Donate via PayPal" menu options in the 
> Window-Eyes control panel, Apps, Sound forge Pro 11 menu.
> 
> Here's the new help file.
> 
> Sound Forge Pro 11 Enhancements App
> Open the Window-Eyes control panel, Alt-A Apps, SoundForgePro11, Help to read 
> this file. That menu also includes Email Tom and Donate via PayPal. Any 
> donations are greatly appreciated.
> You may also press Control-Shift-? while in Sound Forge to read this file.
> * Main Sound forge Window.
> When you have a file or files open they are in what is called the data window.
> Here are the available features. App hotkeys may be redefined in the 
> Window-Eyes App Manager.
> App key. Description. Example.
> Control-Shift-L. Length of currrent file. 5 minutes 14.7 seconds.
> Control-Shift-P. Current position in file. 1 minute 5.498 seconds.
> Control-Shift-M. Speak peak meters. Channel 1 -0.5. Channel 2 -1.2.
> (Surround sound is not currently supported.)
> Control-Alt-Shift-M. Reset peak meters. Channel 1 -Inf. Channel 2 -Inf.
> Control-Shift-S. Speak selection. Selected from 8.773 seconds to 29.963 
> seconds. 15.189 seconds. If no audio is selected that is what will be voiced.
> Control-Shift-Z. Speak zoom ratio. 1:2,048.
> Sound forge hotkeys and what they will speak.
> Up/Down, Control-Up/Down. Zoom ratio.
> S or / (slash). These both toggle your selection. If you have audio selected 
> and press either it will be unselected. Press either again and your selection 
> will be restored. They will speak the selection or no audio selected.
> Control-S. Save.
> Control-F4 and Control-W. Close.
> Control-Z. Undo.
> I, O, M. In, Out, Marker.
> Control-Home, Control-End, Control-Shift-Home, Control-Shift-End. Beginning 
> or end of file or Selected to beginning or end of file.
> * Real-time previewing when audio is not playing.
> These Sound forge keys are related to moving and selecting when a file is not 
> playing. They deserve their own section because Having the app make them 
> activate playback on the fly isn't completely practical for technical 
> reasons. If it were they would have been implemented in Sound forge long ago.
> Skimming through your audio is what the JKL shuttle keys are for. So here are 
> the keys and my take on them.
> Left/Right and Shift-Left/Right.
> These are the most useful and most potentially problematic. If I tap them and 
> wait for the preview to finish they work fine. If I press and hold (typically 
> just the arrows as shifted selection is rather impractical in this manner) 
> that also works fine. However, shifted arrows are fine for nudging selection 
> start and end points in either direction to extend or decrease the selection. 
> Note: I have programmed these not to trigger the preview until the key is 
> released. So you will not get a stuttering effect. Again, moving fluidly 
> through your file is the purpose of the JKL shuttle keys.
> The problem comes in when we go in between these extremes and tap these keys 
> at a moderate pace and while the preview is still playing. This can cause 
> very strange reactions, particularly with the right arrow. It may scroll 
> backwards or jump to the end of the file. So proceed with caution.
> When you want to make a selection or move to a particular point I recommend 
> using the JKL shuttle keys to get as close as possible. J back, K pause, L 
> forward. Pressing J or L a second or third time goes from normal speed to 
> faster to fastest. Once you get the hang of it you can zero in pretty good 
> with these keys. Then use the arrow keys and the Up/Down ratio keys to get 
> right where you want to be. Control-Shift-K previews up to the current 
> position. If you're selecting something to cut Control-K plays before and 
> after as if it were cut.
> Control-Left/Right.
> These keys will also trigger a preview. However I presume you will primarily 
> be using them to jump to markers. In that case they work fine provided you 
> don't have a hundred markers and aren't maniacally rifling through your file.
> Control-Shift-Left/Right.
> I presume these keys will be used to select between one marker and another, 
> i.e. dial into the beginning of your selection with JKL and arrows and drop a 
> marker. Then do the same for the end of the selection. And finally, 
> Control-Shift-Left to select from your end marker to your 

Re: Firefox and Web Visum

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi Tom

It's working here, following some instructions I followed from a GW
person to the list.  Can't remember what I did though, sorry. Perhaps
someone can remind us, but Webvisum is definitely working here with the
latest Firefox and Window7 64.

-- 
Reg


On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:54:28 -0500
Tom Fairhurst via Talk  wrote:

> I am using Firefox 47 with WE 9.4 with Windows 7 64-bit Pro. Can anyone use 
> Web Visum any more? Firefox prevents the installation of the add-on so I 
> attempt to press the Allow button. Window-Eyes does not read it properly. I 
> have no idea whether the stupid thing actually downloads. I do know that Web 
> Visum is not working and is not in the Tools menu. I have uninstalled and 
> reinstalled Firefox. Furthermore, when I try to open about:config to perform 
> the hack suggested by a lister in the past, the program stops responding. I 
> have written the goons at Web Visum, but they have not written back. I’m sure 
> they believe that it is a firefox problem, which it probably is.Please help.
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Re: Casualty?

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Nolan

Very much alive.  In fact with all the mergia posts, you may be lucky to
have been spared it.

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> I assume this list is dead, since I’ve not received any mail from it in 
> several days? Just testing.
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Re: sound forge

[Reg Webb via Talk]

This doesn't help, but it's reassuring that others have this problem
with markers too.  My sighted wife, who has no experience with this
stuff, tells me it just looks as if nothing is selected, so what happens
to the marker commands?  Yes, being able to clear them would be a great
start.

-- 
Reg


On Tue, 31 May 2016 10:05:24 -0500
Steve Jacobson via Talk  wrote:

> Tom,
> 
> Other than my possibly irrelevant observation regarding choosing the
> equalizer, I would agree with you.  Everything I used in Sound Forge 7 I am
> still able to use with Sound Forge 11.  I do occasionally have trouble when
> selecting a segment, though, but I think this is likely due to something
> happening that I don't understand.  I find that an end point from a previous
> selection seems to stick.  Have you found a sure fire way to clear previous
> selection endpoints?  This is something I did not experience before Sound
> Forge 10, but I suspect what I am trying to do is being affected by a new
> feature of which I am not aware.  Sometimes I press "I" at a new point but
> the old start point does not move when I play the selection.  I have looked
> through the help topics and have not found anything that obviously relates.
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:13 AM
> To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: sound forge
> 
> I've been using Sound forge since version 7 and have heard many people 
> say the same about accessibility: it got worse after 8. But I ran 9, 10, 
> and now 11 Pro and to be honest I never knew what they were talking 
> about. The only thing that is truly not accessible are all the new 
> Izotope plug-ins because they're all big pretty pictures. Although they 
> have good presets and at least the wet/dry mix can be controlled. And 
> I'm pretty sure they could be scripted. The only problem is it would 
> require a lot of sighted help to get the layout of the images in order 
> to write scalable algorithms to work with different resolutions.
> 
> I started scripting it years ago. but unfortunately I made the fatal 
> mistake of using MSAA, which eventually turned out to be a point of no 
> return disaster. I should have known better. I've never gotten back to 
> it because I know all the interfaces inside out and backwards. So it's 
> made me a whiz with the mouse.
> 
> If anyone has a million bucks to donate to the cause I'll make it sing 
> for you. (grin)
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 5/31/2016 3:35 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
> > Sound forge 8 is still the most accessible, though the later versions
> > can be used.
> >
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Re: sound forge

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Steve and all

Interestingly, my experience is somewhat different, in that the Equaliser
reads exactly like all the other dialogues in Soundforge Pro, and that
continues to be true with Windows7 and W-
E 9.4.  I haven't yet tried Windows10.

So, as usual with Windows, personal experience may vary.
-- 

Reg


On Mon, 30 May 2016 18:38:22 -0500
Steve Jacobson via Talk  wrote:

> I agree with Lloyd Rassmussen's assessment.  However, it is really hard to
> answer your question accurately without knowing more about why you are
> choosing Sound Forge.  I use Sound Forge because I bought it a long time ago
> and got pretty used to some of the areas that are not that easy to use.  I
> like its noise reduction tool and feel I can get the results I want more
> easily than I have managed with other programs.  If you are just starting
> out, though, I'm not sure you would not find less frustration with Gold Wave
> or perhaps Audacity.  I understand there is pretty good editing with Total
> Recorder as well.  
> 
> If you get the full version of Sound Forge rather than the studio version,
> you have to use the mouse pointer to choose the version of the equalizer you
> want to use once you have opened the dialog.  Once you do that, choosing a
> multi-band option instead of an envelope format, it works as Lloyd
> describes.  You can also get values for some of Sound Forge's controls by
> turning Speak All on, but you get a lot of extra chatter.  I am sure there
> are likely other areas I find challenging that someone has found a way
> around, though.  Still, since I am as used to Sound Forge as I am, I have
> not found it worth switching to anything else.  Like many programs, it is
> not possible to flatly say it is accessible or it is not, it depends upon
> what features you use and also what your comfort level is using the mouse
> keys.  There is a lot of keyboard control, though, and a lot you can do if
> you take the time to learn how it works.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: sound forge
> 
> can someone please tell me how accessible sound forge is and if there are
> any compatibility issues with w e?
> thanks 
> 
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Re: sound forge

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi William

Since a lot of the editing controls in Soundforge can be operated by
keystrokes you will be familiar with in standard Windows programmes such
as Wordpad, selecting sound is very much like selecting text, and I've
had no particular Window-Eyes related problems.

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On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:01:21 -0400
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> can someone please tell me how accessible sound forge is and if there are any 
> compatibility issues with w e?
> thanks 
> 
> 
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Re: directing window-eyes to go through a different sound device

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all

Rod sent me this reply, but I'm sending it to the list, since I feel
we're often unsure as to which inconsistencies to lay at the door of the
screen reader, and which at the dor of Windows.
In this case, it seems to be Windows, and thanks for this Rod.
I've realocated my default sound device, and reassigned Winamp's output
plug in to go to the sound device I previously had as default because
it's simply a better quality device and I broadcast with it.

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On Thu, 26 May 2016 09:53:52 +
Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Reg,
> 
> It probably has to do with how successful Windows is at determining how the
> sound devices are enumerated, that is, how Windows detects them and puts
> them in a list.
> I have had the same experience as you, and I have found that the best
> solution is to make the one you want Window-Eyes to always come up on as the
> default sound device on the system.
> Further, that device needs to remain active, and I wrote an app called
> AudioActivity, available on App Central, to keep it alive.
> 
> Hth,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Reg Webb via Talk
> Sent: May 26, 2016 2:54 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: directing window-eyes to go through a different sound device
> 
> rod and anyone else who's interested
> 
> Yes, that's how it's supposed to work and, most of the time it does. 
> The Prolific USB to Serial convertor I use for my old Apolo II comes up
> every time at startup if selected.  But, as I said in my last post on this
> subject, the sound device associated with my Vocalizer Expressive
> voice,changes occasionally, and on an apparently random basis.  Does anyone
> know why?
> 
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> 
> On Thu, 26 May 2016 02:17:56 +
> Rod Hutton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > If you tab through the Synthesizers dialog box with your synthesizer 
> > selected, you will encounter a combo box allowing you to select the 
> > sound device to use.
> > 
> > Hth,
> > 
> > Rod
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk
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> > Sent: May 25, 2016 3:00 PM
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> > Subject: Re: directing window-eyes to go through a different sound 
> > device
> > 
> > hmmm, by some miracle, i found how to do what i asked in my revious
> message.
> > thanks.
> > 
> > 
> > Legend has it that on Wednesday 5/25/2016 01:50 PM, ratshtron via Talk
> said:
> > 
> > >is there any way to redirect window-eyes to speak through a secondary 
> > >sound device? i have a usb sound adapter that i would like to use for 
> > >window-eyes while all other sounds go through the main computer's 
> > >sound device. thanks.
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Re: directing window-eyes to go through a different sound device

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rod and anyone else who's interested

Yes, that's how it's supposed to work and, most of the time it does. 
The Prolific USB to Serial convertor I use for my old Apolo II comes up
every time at startup if selected.  But, as I said in my last post on
this subject, the sound device associated with my Vocalizer Expressive
voice,changes occasionally, and on an apparently random basis.  Does
anyone know why?

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On Thu, 26 May 2016 02:17:56 +
Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> If you tab through the Synthesizers dialog box with your synthesizer
> selected, you will encounter a combo box allowing you to select the sound
> device to use.
> 
> Hth,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of ratshtron via Talk
> Sent: May 25, 2016 3:00 PM
> To: ratshtron ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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> Subject: Re: directing window-eyes to go through a different sound device
> 
> hmmm, by some miracle, i found how to do what i asked in my revious message.
> thanks.
> 
> 
> Legend has it that on Wednesday 5/25/2016 01:50 PM, ratshtron via Talk said:
> 
> >is there any way to redirect window-eyes to speak through a 
> >secondary sound device? i have a usb sound adapter that i would like 
> >to use for window-eyes while all other sounds go through the main 
> >computer's sound device. thanks.
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Re: directing window-eyes to go through a different sound device

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I have a Vocalizer voice assigned to a USB sound device.  On Start up,
Window-Eyes occasionally decides that it's routed to a different sound
device which, of course it isn't.

I'll be interested to know if you or anyone else has similar experience
of this.

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On Wed, 25 May 2016 14:00:12 -0500
ratshtron via Talk  wrote:

> hmmm, by some miracle, i found how to do what i asked in my revious message. 
> thanks.
> 
> 
> Legend has it that on Wednesday 5/25/2016 01:50 PM, ratshtron via Talk said:
> 
> >is there any way to redirect window-eyes to speak through a >secondary sound 
> >device? i have a usb sound adapter that i would like >to use for window-eyes 
> >while all other sounds go through the main >computer's sound device. thanks.
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Re: Winamp playlist editor is silent when arrowing up and down

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Sorry if I missed some messages, but I assume you've tried reinstalling
Winamp, and the Winamp App (as I assume we're now supposed to call it).

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On Tue, 17 May 2016 07:49:19 -0400
Chris Skarstad via Talk  wrote:

>  Hi Rod
> 
> 
> Well, so far the trick doesn't seem to be working. I've tried toggling both 
> the main Winamp window and playlist editor window, but nothing seems to be 
> helping things.
> 
> The playlist editor doesn't even read without any scripts installed.   It's 
> funny, because when I was using Windows 7 just a few short days ago, the 
> playlist editor read perfectly, just as it should.  But on this Windows 10 
> machine, certain things are a bit different and i'm not sure why it is.
> 
> 
> Thanks though, i'll keep trying!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/17/2016 5:51 AM, Rod Hutton wrote:
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > Please be certain that the main window is closed.
> > Use the File menu to verify this, and Alt-W toggles it.
> > It's often a combination of Alt-E which toggles the playlist editor and
> > Alt-W repeatedly which wil return things back to normal.
> > And you may and usually do need to close Winamp to do it.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Rod
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk
> > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> > Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
> > Sent: May 16, 2016 6:45 PM
> > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> > Subject: Re: Winamp playlist editor is silent when arrowing up and down
> >
> >   Hi folks, especially Chuck
> >
> >
> > Unfortunately, that little trick didn't work.  I can tell when I'm switching
> > Winamp Windows with control plus tab, and Window-eyes successfully announces
> > which window i'm focused on, but when arrowing up and down in the playlist
> > editor, none of the list items will speak.  I even went so far as to make
> > sure that the skin I was using is the classic one, and indeed, it is.  I've
> > tried every trick I can think of, and nothing seems to work.  This is a
> > brand new pc running Windows 10 64-bit.
> >
> >
> > Great ideas for sure and I definitely appreciate it!  I hope I can get it
> > working again.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/16/2016 5:48 PM, Charles Adkins wrote:
> >> Chris, I have had that problem myself. I hit alt e to close the playlist
> > window and then I hit alt e again and the playlist will usualy re-open. Hope
> > that helps. Its always worked for me!  Chuck
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On May 16, 2016, at 5:27 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk
> >  wrote:
> >>> Hi folks
> >>> I just now noticed that this was happening, the subject line basicly says
> > it.  For whatever reason, when arrowing up and downin the Winamp playlist
> > editor, Window-eyes 9.4.0 does not speak each item as I arrow up and down to
> > it.  in other words if I arrow up and down, nothing happens.  I've tried
> > resetting the  scripts produced by Jeff Bishop and even gone so far as to
> > remove them, thinking their may be some kind of odd conflict somewhere.
> > Unfortunately, nothing I've tried helps, and I've tried absolutely
> > everything I can think of.Does anyone have anyideas?
> >>>  Thanks.
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Jart and a sticking cursor

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Hi all

Suddenly, and for no apparent reason, Jart is sticking on one line, and
the cursor will not move down with the arrow keys.  I can read a word at
a time, but not by line.

Jart5.4, Windows7, W-E9.4.
Any thoughts?
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Re: Suddenly in a strange place

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Thank you Carol.  I don't know how I got there, but I'll remember this
if it happens again.

I'm sending this to the list to avoid needless duplication by other
helpful people.
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 08:39:41 -0400
Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I think it is F12 to close Developer Tools, which may be the problem.  If it 
> doesn't work, F12 is a toggle, so simply press it again to put it back in the 
> previous mode.
> 
> Carol
> 
> 
> On 3/24/2016 5:36 AM, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > using IE11 with the latest Window-eyes under Windows7, I suddenly found
> > myself on this page, from which there appeared to be no escape, except
> > by shutting it down, losing what I had been writing.  How did I get
> > here, and how should I get out?
> > DOM Explorer Console
> > Debugger
> > Network
> > UI Responsiveness
> > Profiler
> > Memory
> > Emulation
> >   >   >   > Document mode - Edge
> >   > Show Console (Ctrl+`)
> >   >   > F12 Developer Tools help (F1)
> >   >   >   > Unpin (Ctrl+P)
> >   

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Suddenly in a strange place

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Hi all

using IE11 with the latest Window-eyes under Windows7, I suddenly found
myself on this page, from which there appeared to be no escape, except
by shutting it down, losing what I had been writing.  How did I get
here, and how should I get out?
DOM Explorer Console 
Debugger 
Network 
UI Responsiveness 
Profiler 
Memory 
Emulation 
 
 
 
Document mode - Edge 
 
Show Console (Ctrl+`) 
 
 
F12 Developer Tools help (F1) 
 
 
 
Unpin (Ctrl+P) 
 
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Re: anyone have mp3 direct cut

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It can open .AAC files, although mine will only delete selected audio,
it won't normalise those files for example.  But, since the first word
of its title is "MP3", I think there's a bit of a clue there as to what
we should expect of it.
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 00:21:38 -0400
Jed Barton via Talk  wrote:

> ah cool, yea, i got the program, awesome, nice little utility
> 
> On 3/23/2016 11:17 PM, Mike Bernard via Talk wrote:
> > Hi Jed,
> > This is Mike. I have mp3 direct Cut, and from what I've experienced, it can
> > not open wma files, only mp3s.
> > Mike
> > Rochester, NY.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+mbern6516=aol@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> > Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 11:09 PM
> > To: j...@jedbarton.com; Jed Barton ; Window-Eyes
> > Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: anyone have mp3 direct cut
> >
> > I think it will do only mp3, but you could use a program like switch to
> > convert to mp3.
> > Mp3direct and switch are here.
> > To get the file you want, go to the link below
> > and hit enter on that file.
> >
> > http://www.shellworld.net/~butchb
> >
> > Butch Bussen
> >
> > On Wed, 23 Mar 2016, Jed Barton via Talk
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hey guys,
> >> Looking for a quick audio editer with window-eyes.  Anyone have mp3 direct
> >
> >> cut?  Also can this edit .m4a files
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Re: Adding Attachments to Emails when Using Becky!

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Or, alternatively, write your message, simply press the alt key, and
arrow up to where it says "attach files".  Pressing enter on that gets
you a standard dialogue.  Press "open" when you've located the file, and
OK if you want to use the default encoding used by Beckie.
Job done.

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> The way I send attachments using Becky.
> 1. Open Becky.
> 2.  go to where the file is and right click on the file.
> 3. arrow to  "send to" and right arrow, then aroow to "send to becky" and hit 
> enter.
> 4.  the new message comes up and I fill in address, etc. and hit send.
> 
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> www.woodeneyemusic.com
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> 
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 09:47:45 -0700
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> > While in the compose window, click file and choose add attachment from
> > the file menu.  This then pops up a box which I don't understand, but I
> > just hit the enter key, then click File again and send the message.
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Re: ctrl shft f problem still not fixed

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Meanwhile, if you hit h 3 times with browse mode on, you'll get to the
results.  That works for me anyway.
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 15:00:12 -0500
mcleod stinnett via Talk  wrote:

> if i am on a web site, let's say, google search and i search for something 
> and i want to go to the results, so i type in results after pressing the find 
> command, if browse mode is on, w/e goes to the word results. however, 
> sometimes, browse mode turns off even though i don't have it set to 
> automatically interact with forms.  if this happens and i invoke the find 
> feature, w/e will lock up and often times i can't get it back without a 
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Re: Another Browse Mode Issue

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Hi all

This also happens to me in Firefox when, for instance, replying to a
comment in mobile Facebook m.facebook.com
The solution is to refresh the page.  Unless I do that, every keypress
is not valid.
Windows7, latest Firefox, W-E9.4
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 16:41:46 -0500
Vic Pereira via Talk  wrote:

> From time to time in Internet Explorer WE will say invalid key pressed. It
> doesn't matter if I go in and out of browse mode, alt+TAB out and back again
> etc. The only work-around I have found is to shut down Internet Explorer and
> call it up again. The other is to restart WE.
> 
> Sorry, I cannot duplicate this problem. So far it appears random. I am
> running Windows 10 and using IE with the latest version of WE.
> 
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W-E9.4 and replying to comments in mobile Facebook

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Hi all

I haven't yet tried this with Internet Explorer, but in Mobile Facebook
with the latest Firefox and W-E9.4, when I reply to a comment, as
distinct from simply adding a comment, having written my reply, and hit
the button, all the keys on the main keyboard say "not a valid key press". 
Fortunately, the mouse keys still work, and I can hit alt+left arrow to
get back to the previous page.
Is this just my experience, or anyone else's?
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Typing addresses into firefox

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Hi all

I don't have "suggestions" selected in Firefox, but still it announces
what I'm writing when I type a URL, as if it's trying to second guess me.
How do I stop this, because I find it irritating.  If I want to search
for an address, I'l tab to "search using Google";  otherwise, I'd rather
be left in peace when typing what I think/hope is the correct address.
I find Windows's general assumption that everyone is always searching
for things, and nobody actually knows where anything is, rather
patronising.

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Re: There are at least four ways that screen readers determine what to speak in most cases Windows tells the screen reader that something happened on a window then then the screen reader asks the prog

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Rick
The entire message was in the subject line. 
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On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 05:04:47 -0500
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> Hi: Jonathan, looks like your message was blank.
> The fact that WindowEyes can crash the system, lock it up, when no reply is
> found from a called method or object is a bug in WindowEyes.
> In programming, especially when programming against third party apps, you
> put a request for anything in a test block so that if the object or method
> does not return an expected value you handle the error and continue
> processing.
> This is not bad code but a bug in WindowEyes.
> Their well may be a way around the quote no response by getting the
> information from someplace else or by using some other feature of the third
> party program but to lock up the screen reader because of a problem in a
> third party program is a bug pure and simple.
> I have said this when I analyzed a similar situation for Internet Explorer
> 11, your fault, my fault, nobodys fault just fix it AI Squared.
> That means testing the objects and methods within a very short timed bcode
> block or a try catch block or something to that effect and handling any
> error message or no response situation in the WindowEyes program.
> As for no response to AI Squared from third party vendors, you have a legal
> department don't you - use them.
> Rick USA
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Re: how to get the mouse keys to read in thunderbird, firefox, and internet explorer

[Reg Webb via Talk]

-Annoyingly for anyone trying to replicate this, it happens to me too,
but only sometimes, and I've no idea why.

Restarting W-E restores readability in an edit box.

-
Reg


On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:11:57 +
Marc Solomon via Talk  wrote:

> Bob,
> I just tried entering text into the Write a comment edit box on the Mobile 
> Facebook. After entering a few words, I then used my Left and Right Arrow 
> keys to review the text. I repeated this test several times. I was unable to 
> reproduce the issue you reported in this particular case. I tried using both 
> Firefox 44 and IE 11 using the Window-Eyes 9.3.1 under Windows 10 Pro  
> version 15211 32-bit. But, I was able to reproduce the issue you reported on 
> the Amazon website. In both IE 11 and Firefox 44, after typing into the 
> unlabeled search edit box towards the top of the page, Window-Eyes stopped 
> speaking the characters when navigating with Left and Right Arrows. With that 
> said, I could only reproduce this issue once in each browser and now it is 
> working every time I test it. Maybe you are already know about this, but 
> Amazon has created a version of their website optimized for screen readers at 
> www.amazon.com/access. I am  not a big fan of creating a separate website for 
> accessib
 il
>  ity but if it provides a better experience and doesn't limit any 
> functionality, it might be worth checking out. These types of intermittent 
> issues can be very frustrating and can impact your productivity. If you can 
> find a way to reliably duplicate this issue on demand, please let us know as 
> it will give us a much better chance of identifying the cause and possibly 
> creating a solution.
> Regards,
> Marc
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: bob jutzi [mailto:ju...@windstream.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:37 AM
> To: Marc Solomon ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: how to get the mouse keys to read in thunderbird, firefox, and 
> internet explorer
> 
> Mark, this happens when posting comments on FB Mobile or entering text 
> in Amazon search boxes.  I am able to enter info, but not read itusing 
> arrow keys.  Occasionally, the CTRL-Alt-W Window-eyes relaunch fixes 
> things.I do have Compatibility mode enabled.
> On 2/16/2016 7:04 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote:
> > Bob,
> > Can you provide a specific web page where you can't fill out a form and the 
> > steps to duplicate? I would like to try and duplicate the issue on my Win 
> > 8.1 and 10 PCs.
> > Regards,
> > Marc
> >
> > Sent with AquaMail for Android
> > http://www.aqua-mail.com
> >
> >
> > On February 16, 2016 6:57:53 PM bob jutzi via Talk 
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Neglected to indicate that I've experienced both under Windows 8 and 10.
> >>
> >> On 2/16/2016 6:54 PM, bob jutzi via Talk wrote:
> >>> No luck for me using the latest Thunderbird and Window-eyes.
> >>> I still am unable to edit messages in Thunderbird as well as edit forms
> >>> in IE or Firefox.  This is completely unacceptible as I have no issues
> >>> with either using the free screen reader.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 2/16/2016 6:41 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
>  Hi,
>  The following is a copy of a message sent to the list  a couple of times
>  in the past few months but here it is again.
> 
>  The modifications work well in W7 but it seems it does not work in W8
>  and W10.
>  Neville.
> 
>  Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird
> 
> 
>  Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird
>  accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to use
>  WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed sighted
>  assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing speech in the
>  case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.
> 
> 
>  A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success
>  with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed with
>  the change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.
> 
> 
>  Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse
>  accessible as well.
> 
> 
>  Unfortunately it is not known for sure whether this technique will work
>  as well under W8 and W10 as it does under W7 32 and 64 bit. If you do
>  try it under W8 or W10, please inform the list of your results. i.e.
>  Either positive or negative.
> 
> 
>  HTH
> 
>  Neville.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.
> 
> 
>  The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times to
>  find it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get the
>  correct one to change.
> 
> 
> 
>  block quote
> 

Re: Fire Fox Work around?

[Reg Webb via Talk]

I'm curious to know why some links behave like this for me in Firefox,
and not others.

One example of this kind of link is found at
http://ocado.com
A UK supermarket site.
Wade through all the rubbish at the top of the page until you get to the
"log in" link.  For me, this link does nothing when I press enter on it,
but it works in IE.

Any thoughts?

-- 
Reg


On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 07:48:08 -0800
via Talk  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I once used I.E 11, but it crashes far too often.
> 
> I am now using Firefox, but have run into an issue, perhaps someone here
> has a work around.
> 
> I'll be on a Web Page, there will be Links, I can Arrow down or up to
> those links.
> 
> However, when I wish to choose one, Pressing the Enter Key does nothing. 
> Pressing the Space Bar and then Enter also does nothing.
> 
> Am I missing a Trick to get Firefox to activate or follow these Links?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Grumpy Dave
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Re: Fire Fox Work around?

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Wow Mike, that works.  Next question;  why?

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On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:02:02 +
Mike via Talk  wrote:

> Try using the context key and cursoring down to
> 
> "open in a new window".
> 
> Mike.
> 
> 
> At 15:48 25/01/2016, you wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >I once used I.E 11, but it crashes far too often.
> >
> >I am now using Firefox, but have run into an issue, perhaps someone here
> >has a work around.
> >
> >I'll be on a Web Page, there will be Links, I can Arrow down or up to
> >those links.
> >
> >However, when I wish to choose one, Pressing the Enter Key does nothing.
> >Pressing the Space Bar and then Enter also does nothing.
> >
> >Am I missing a Trick to get Firefox to activate or follow these Links?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Grumpy Dave
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Re: BECKY!: opening file attachments

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That's how I do it too, and the menu gives you all the useful options,
like "Save and open", "Save as", or just "open".
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 09:46:27 -0500
Mike Rogers via Talk  wrote:

> My Becky doesn't automatically open attachments.  Here's what I do:  After 
> tabbing into the message, I hit tab once more.  If it says "2 texts, I right 
> arrow to the attachment and hit the systems key.  arro to open with and hit 
> enter.  dThat works for me.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> www.harmonicaworkshops.com
> www.woodeneyemusic.com
> 
> 
> On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 23:10:58 -0600
> Martha Reaney via Talk  wrote:
> 
> > I received an email with a .pdf file attached.  How do I open it?
> > 
> > Also, I thought I read a post that BECKY! automatically opened attachments 
> > and put them in a folder.  Is this correct?  Or, is this something that you 
> > need to set up with a rule?
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
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Re: BECKY!: opening file attachments

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Hi matthew
They're in AppData\local\temp\B2temp\Attach

On this system at least, the top folder in B2Temp is called "Do not save
files here".
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 09:59:22 -0500
Matthew Chao via Talk  wrote:

> Where are the attachments stored by Becky?  Thanks.--Matthew Chao
> 
> 
> -- 
> Matthew Chao 
> 
> On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 09:46:27 -0500
> Mike Rogers via Talk  wrote:
> 
> > My Becky doesn't automatically open attachments.  Here's what I do:  After 
> > tabbing into the message, I hit tab once more.  If it says "2 texts, I 
> > right arrow to the attachment and hit the systems key.  arro to open with 
> > and hit enter.  dThat works for me.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > www.harmonicaworkshops.com
> > www.woodeneyemusic.com
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 23:10:58 -0600
> > Martha Reaney via Talk  wrote:
> > 
> > > I received an email with a .pdf file attached.  How do I open it?
> > > 
> > > Also, I thought I read a post that BECKY! automatically opened 
> > > attachments and put them in a folder.  Is this correct?  Or, is this 
> > > something that you need to set up with a rule?
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
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Re: Opening Web Links in Becky

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For accessing mails which have primarily been designed to read
on the Web, rather than as plain text, if I tab from the open message,
there is usually a file called something like text to HTML.  If you
press the applications key or right click on that, one of the menu
options is open with.  Pressing enter on that gives you a list which, in
my case at least, includes Firefox.  Selecting that gets me the Web
based email properly displayed with all its links.

-- 
Reg


On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 16:06:40 +
Chris Grabowski via Talk  wrote:

> Press your applications key on the url and select it from the menu.
> You can also do an insert-numpad-plus to route the mouse and click.
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:00 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: Opening Web Links in Becky
> 
> Hi, Folks.  Have been using Thunderbird and Becky alternatively to 
> decide which one I'll stick with over the long-term.  I've noticed that 
> when using Becky, I can't seem to open any URL links that are in the 
> email.  How do i get Becky to do this?  In contrast, Thunderbird allows 
> me to go to the URL while in the email which has that URL.  Thanks in 
> advance.--Matthew Chao
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Re: Firefox and Thunderbird are now mouse accessible

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Hi Kevin

Turn autoload and browse mode off, and type "about:config" into the
address bar.

-- 
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On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 09:57:00 -0500
Kevin Huber via Talk  wrote:

> Hi Many:
> 
> How were you able to get Firefox to go into About:config mode?
> Kevin Huber
> 
> 
> On 1/9/16, manny via Talk  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Finally WE9.3 reads the screen with the numpad in firefox and Thunderbird.
> > I no longer need to use firefox 3.0.
> >
> > However, I needed sighted help to get this accomplished.
> > WE9.3 would crash firefox when entering
> > about:config
> > in the address edit box.
> > I am using windows 7 with drivers and software and windows os
> > up to date.
> > Many thanks,
> > Manny
> >
> > Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my
> > stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
> > ** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** **
> > computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
> > premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad
> > core drivers and software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver
> > Booster, which sighted assistance is needed, but other than that Driver
> > Booster is a great program. Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird,
> > Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security:
> > Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform,
> > Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
> > On 1/9/2016 12:31 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:
> >> This surprises me John because you are using the same OS as I am.  Try
> >> using the latest version of WE
> >>
> >> Apart from this, the only thing I can suggest is to go back into
> >> Firefox and check the settings again.
> >>
> >> I am hoping to hear from someone who has tried it under W10.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Neville.
> >>
> >> On 9/01/2016 10:07 PM, john s via Talk wrote:
> >>> Neville, I tried these steps and no go. I'm running Windows 7, 32 bit
> >>> and WE 9.1.  With WE running, about:config wouldn't respond.  I had to
> >>> exit WE and use NVDA to accomplish the steps.  But, no go.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> earlier, Neville via Talk, wrote:
>  Hi Kevin,
> 
>  Following is a copy of a message I sent to the list a week or two ago
>  regarding gaining access to the screen with the mouse while using
>  Firefox and Thunderbird.
> 
>  The first  two modifications had been done previously on my system but
>  with no improvement. It seems the third change makes the difference.
> 
>  Prior to the modifications, my W7 system suffered frequent Thunderbird
>  crashes  but since the changes, no chrashes have been experienced.
> 
>  I would like to know if anyone using W10 has tried the below
>  modifications and particullarly the results or lack of same.
> 
>  HTH
>  Neville
>  original message:
> 
> 
>  Hi Listers,
>  Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird
> 
>  Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird
>  accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to
>  use WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed
>  sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing
>  speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.
> 
>  A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success
>  with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed
>  with the change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.
> 
>  Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse
>  accessible as well.
> 
>  Unfortunately it is not known for sure whether this technique will
>  work as well under W8 and W10 as it does under W7 32 and 64 bit. If
>  you do try it under W8 or W10, please inform the list of your results.
>  i.e. Either positive or negative.
> 
>  HTH
>  Neville.
> 
> 
> 
>  This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.
> 
>  The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times
>  to find it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get
>  the correct one to change.
> 
> 
>  block quote
>  1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
>  about:config
>   in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and navigate
>  to Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
>  2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the
>  list of options.
>  3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between options or typing
>  the first few letters of an option's name will move you to a specific
>  option in the
> 
>  list.
>  the following are entries to search for:

Re: AMAZON MUSIC PLAYER

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Thanks Tom
I'll give that a try.  Are you using Explorer, Firefox, both or neither? 
It seems to make a difference.
Incidentally can anyone explain why some controls may show up in one
browser, but not in another?

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On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:18:13 -0500
Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> The trick is to uninstall the Amazon garbage and decline the request to 
> install it every time you purchase an album or song.
> 
> I just figured this out recently so I don't have the exact steps. But it goes 
> something like this.
> 
> After you make your purchase I think you land on the download 
> player/downloader link or button. I forget if you have to say no or if 
> there's a direct download on the same page. You do have to take a ride around 
> the merry-go-round. But it's not too bad and you should find the direct 
> download link. And all album downloads will be in a file of the same name: 
> Amazon-MP3.zip or something like that.
> 
> Hth,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 12/29/2015 3:01 PM, Evan Reese via Talk wrote:
> > Well I just downloaded two albums from Amazon, but it wasn't exactly
> > easy, and I'm not really sure how I did it. It seems that rather than
> > the Amazon mp3 Downloader, which I still have on my system, they now
> > want you to download something they call the Amazon Music Installer, but
> > Amazon claims that you can download directly with your browser, and I
> > eventually got that to work, but I'm not sure whether downloading that
> > Music Installer helped or not.. And I'm not even sure if the Music
> > Installer was even necessary. You know how you try all these things to
> > get a job done, and if you're successful, you can't really be sure what
> > actually worked in the end? Well, that's how I feel after getting these
> > albums downloaded. The last thing I did was go to my Digital Orders, and
> > next to the two albums I just bought there were download buttons. I
> > clicked one of them, and both albums downloaded in one zipped folder via
> > my browser, which in this case was Internet Explorer. However, before I
> > downloaded that Amazon Music Installer, when I first purchased the
> > albums, there were also Download buttons, as well as Download links, but
> > clicking them didn't do anything.
> > So really, I'm not sure how I got it to work.
> > Evan
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Reg Webb via Talk
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 4:17 AM
> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: AMAZON MUSIC PLAYER
> >
> > It would be good if Amazon music download were accessible again.  I've
> > stopped buying music since Amazon's MP3 Downloader was discontinued.  I
> > hate iTunes because it's so invasive and tries to take over my world,
> > which I'm not prepared to allow..
> > Anyone any thoughts on an accessible music downloader which doesn't
> > think it owns my computer?
> >
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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Thanks so much Neville. I had taken the first 2 steps, but the third one
has proved crucial in getting some mouse access back.

Best wishes

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On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 10:16:25 +1000
Neville via Talk  wrote:

> Hi Listers,
> Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird
> 
> Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird accessible 
> with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to use WE to make the 
> necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed sighted assistance for Firefox.  
> For some reason WE kept loosing speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA 
> would work.
> 
> A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success with 
> it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed with the change 
> in mouse accessibility the alterations made.
> 
> Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse accessible 
> as well.
> 
> HTH
> Neville.
> 
> 
> 
> This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.
> 
> The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times to find 
> it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get the correct one 
> to change.
> 
> 
> block quote
> 1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
> about:config
>   in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and navigate to 
> Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
> 2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the list of 
> options.
> 3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between options or typing the 
> first few letters of an option's name will move you to a specific option in 
> the
> 
> list.
> the following are entries to search for:
> 
> gfx.direct2d.disabled
> if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
> value to true.
> 
> layers.acceleration.disabled
> if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
> value to true.
> 
> layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled
> if the boolean value is set to true, press the enter key to toggle the
> value to false.
> 
> press control+w to close the configuration window.
> restart Thunderbird/Firefox.
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Re: web vissum work around

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Thanks Mark

It turns out someone had unchecked that box, since they thought it would
"help".

If anyone else finds themselves in this position, since W-E will crash
as soon as you try to get into about:config, you'll need to close W-E,
get yourself into "about:config" and get some eyes to make sure you've
found "config warning", make it true again, get out of there, and restart W-E.

Having done that, the turn autoload and browse mode off procedure works
as you said it would.

Thanks again

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On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 18:31:32 +
Marc Solomon <msolo...@aisquared.com> wrote:

> Reg, by default there is a checkbox on the about:config page just above the 
> I'll be careful button labeled Show this warning next time. Sounds like you 
> unchecked this checkbox at some point.
> Marc 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared....@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Reg Webb via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:08 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: web vissum work around
> 
> Mark and all
> 
> My system seems mysteriously to have bypassed the "I'll be careful"
> button, so the only way I can access about:config is to turn autoload
> and browse mode off before I type "about:config" whereupon, on pressing
> enter, I go straight into it, with no button required.
> Does anyone know why?
> 
> -- 
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> <regw...@btinternet.com>
> 
> On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:57:13 +
> Marc Solomon <msolo...@aisquared.com> wrote:
> 
> > Well, I stand corrected. Chris from our support team helped clarify that 
> > you can use the about:config screen in Firefox with Window-Eyes if you do 
> > two things before activating the I'll be careful I promise button:
> > 1. Disable auto loading of Browse Mode (Insert-A is the default hotkey for 
> > toggling this feature on and off) Note: don't forget to turn auto load back 
> > on when you are done 
> > 2. Manually turn off Browse Mode (Control-Shift-A) 
> > I just tested this out and it worked great under Windows 10 and Firefox 
> > 43.0.1. We do have this issue logged in our bug tracking system but this 
> > work around can be used until it is fixed.
> > Thanks,
> > Marc
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk 
> > [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:47 AM
> > To: Reg Webb <regw...@btinternet.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; j...@vi-ability.demon.co.uk
> > Subject: RE: web vissum work around
> > 
> > Well, that is what I get for making a suggestion without testing it out 
> > first. I am also experiencing the Firefox hang when opening the 
> > about:config page regardless if Browse Mode is on or off. This happens in 
> > the latest Firefox under both Windows 8.1 and Windows 10. I have notified 
> > our development team, so if the issue is on our end, which seems likely at 
> > this point, we can investigate further.  
> > Thanks,
> > Marc
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk 
> > [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Reg Webb via Talk
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 5:04 AM
> > To: j...@vi-ability.demon.co.uk; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> > Subject: Re: web vissum work around
> > 
> > Nor on this one Mark.
> > 
> > I just tried it and, after W-E stopped talking, my sighted wife and I
> > managed to shut down Firefox from Task Manager, and W-E came up, but not
> > working properly - (win+d would not get me the desktop).  After closing
> > W-e and restarting it, I'm now back to normal but, without sighted
> > support, the rest is silence!
> > Windows7-64 W-E9.3.1 latest Firefox.
> > Incidentally, at my first attempt, W-E said "browse mode not available",
> > so I couldn't turn it off if I tried.
> > -- 
> > Reg
> > <regw...@btinternet.com>
> > 
> > On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:24:17 GMT
> > Joe Paton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Mark,
> > > 
> > > That doesn't work on this installation sadly.
> > > 
> > > Joe
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 18:02:16 +
> > > Marc Solomon via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > I would suggest turning Browse Mode off before trying to interact with 

Re: web vissum work around

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Nor on this one Mark.

I just tried it and, after W-E stopped talking, my sighted wife and I
managed to shut down Firefox from Task Manager, and W-E came up, but not
working properly - (win+d would not get me the desktop).  After closing
W-e and restarting it, I'm now back to normal but, without sighted
support, the rest is silence!
Windows7-64 W-E9.3.1 latest Firefox.
Incidentally, at my first attempt, W-E said "browse mode not available",
so I couldn't turn it off if I tried.
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:24:17 GMT
Joe Paton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> 
> That doesn't work on this installation sadly.
> 
> Joe
> 
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 18:02:16 +
> Marc Solomon via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> I would suggest turning Browse Mode off before trying to interact with the 
> about:config page in Firefox.
> Regards, 
> Marc
> 
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
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> 
> 
> On December 22, 2015 12:40:02 PM Reg Webb via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all
> > I find that the system crashes when I activate about:config in Firefox
> > with the latest W-E running but, if I close W-E, my sighted wife can
> > make it work just fine.  I haven't tried NVDA yet.  Any thoughts?
> >
> > -- 
> > Reg
> > <regw...@btinternet.com>
> >
> > On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:45:12 -0600
> > McLeod Stinnett via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> >
> >> i found this on another list.
> >> I posted this to another list or actually several. It is apparently only a 
> >> temporary fix--since in Firefox 44, they will remove the configuration 
> >> item that will disable this strict signing requirement. I know I am going 
> >> to run 2 versions of Firefox: the current one which allows the hack and 
> >> the newest one. If I need the webvisum plug-in, I will use that older one 
> >> for signing into captia based sites.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> There is a workaround but it _may_ make you less secure.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 1. Open Firefox 43 and in the address bar, type the below line as seen 
> >> with no spaces:
> >> 
> >> about:config
> >> 
> >> 2. You will get a Firefox warning saying: 'This may void your warranty.' 
> >> Click on the button that sardonically says: 'I'll be careful, I promise.'
> >> 
> >> 3. tab once to the list of 700 or so items and press the letter X. You are 
> >> looking for the below item:
> >> 
> >> xpinstall.signatures.required
> >> 
> >> 4. When this item is highlighted, press the context key or right click and 
> >> choose toggel or press T (same thing.)
> >> 
> >> 5. The highlighted value should change to false as in:
> >> 
> >> xpinstall.signatures.required;false
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Then press control + W to close the window and when you run Firefox again, 
> >> Webvisum should work.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Again, this may make you less secure, but if you are careful and do not 
> >> allow add ons to be installed automatically, at least in the opinion of 
> >> some, your risk is minimal. For versions going way back to Firefox 3 or 4, 
> >> every time I install something that inserts a browser add on, when I run 
> >> Firefox for the first time afterward, Firefox always prompts me to allow 
> >> or disallow the installation--regardless of whether the   
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Re: web vissum work around

[Reg Webb via Talk]

So NVDA works here.  Who said there's no free lunch?

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On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:21:26 GMT
Joe Paton <j...@vi-ability.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Reg,
> 
> I can add that firefox stops responding running we 9.0.
> Nvda works ok though, So I guess this points to a new issue?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Joe
> 
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 17:37:41 +
> Reg Webb via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> I find that the system crashes when I activate about:config in Firefox
> with the latest W-E running but, if I close W-E, my sighted wife can
> make it work just fine.  I haven't tried NVDA yet.  Any thoughts?
> 
> -- 
> Reg
> <regw...@btinternet.com>
> 
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:45:12 -0600
> McLeod Stinnett via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> > i found this on another list.
> > I posted this to another list or actually several. It is apparently only a 
> > temporary fix--since in Firefox 44, they will remove the configuration item 
> > that will disable this strict signing requirement. I know I am going to run 
> > 2 versions of Firefox: the current one which allows the hack and the newest 
> > one. If I need the webvisum plug-in, I will use that older one for signing 
> > into captia based sites.
> > 
> > 
> > There is a workaround but it _may_ make you less secure.
> > 
> > 
> > 1. Open Firefox 43 and in the address bar, type the below line as seen with 
> > no spaces:
> > 
> > about:config
> > 
> > 2. You will get a Firefox warning saying: 'This may void your warranty.' 
> > Click on the button that sardonically says: 'I'll be careful, I promise.'
> > 
> > 3. tab once to the list of 700 or so items and press the letter X. You are 
> > looking for the below item:
> > 
> > xpinstall.signatures.required
> > 
> > 4. When this item is highlighted, press the context key or right click and 
> > choose toggel or press T (same thing.)
> > 
> > 5. The highlighted value should change to false as in:
> > 
> > xpinstall.signatures.required;false
> > 
> > 
> > Then press control + W to close the window and when you run Firefox again, 
> > Webvisum should work.
> > 
> > 
> > Again, this may make you less secure, but if you are careful and do not 
> > allow add ons to be installed automatically, at least in the opinion of 
> > some, your risk is minimal. For versions going way back to Firefox 3 or 4, 
> > every time I install something that inserts a browser add on, when I run 
> > Firefox for the first time afterward, Firefox always prompts me to allow or 
> > disallow the installation--regardless of whether the
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Re: web vissum work around

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Mark and all

My system seems mysteriously to have bypassed the "I'll be careful"
button, so the only way I can access about:config is to turn autoload
and browse mode off before I type "about:config" whereupon, on pressing
enter, I go straight into it, with no button required.
Does anyone know why?

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On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:57:13 +
Marc Solomon <msolo...@aisquared.com> wrote:

> Well, I stand corrected. Chris from our support team helped clarify that you 
> can use the about:config screen in Firefox with Window-Eyes if you do two 
> things before activating the I'll be careful I promise button:
> 1. Disable auto loading of Browse Mode (Insert-A is the default hotkey for 
> toggling this feature on and off) Note: don't forget to turn auto load back 
> on when you are done 
> 2. Manually turn off Browse Mode (Control-Shift-A) 
> I just tested this out and it worked great under Windows 10 and Firefox 
> 43.0.1. We do have this issue logged in our bug tracking system but this work 
> around can be used until it is fixed.
> Thanks,
> Marc
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:47 AM
> To: Reg Webb <regw...@btinternet.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; j...@vi-ability.demon.co.uk
> Subject: RE: web vissum work around
> 
> Well, that is what I get for making a suggestion without testing it out 
> first. I am also experiencing the Firefox hang when opening the about:config 
> page regardless if Browse Mode is on or off. This happens in the latest 
> Firefox under both Windows 8.1 and Windows 10. I have notified our 
> development team, so if the issue is on our end, which seems likely at this 
> point, we can investigate further.  
> Thanks,
> Marc
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Reg Webb via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 5:04 AM
> To: j...@vi-ability.demon.co.uk; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: web vissum work around
> 
> Nor on this one Mark.
> 
> I just tried it and, after W-E stopped talking, my sighted wife and I
> managed to shut down Firefox from Task Manager, and W-E came up, but not
> working properly - (win+d would not get me the desktop).  After closing
> W-e and restarting it, I'm now back to normal but, without sighted
> support, the rest is silence!
> Windows7-64 W-E9.3.1 latest Firefox.
> Incidentally, at my first attempt, W-E said "browse mode not available",
> so I couldn't turn it off if I tried.
> -- 
> Reg
> <regw...@btinternet.com>
> 
> On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:24:17 GMT
> Joe Paton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Mark,
> > 
> > That doesn't work on this installation sadly.
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 18:02:16 +
> > Marc Solomon via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I would suggest turning Browse Mode off before trying to interact with the 
> > about:config page in Firefox.
> > Regards, 
> > Marc
> > 
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> > 
> > On December 22, 2015 12:40:02 PM Reg Webb via Talk 
> > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi all
> > > I find that the system crashes when I activate about:config in Firefox
> > > with the latest W-E running but, if I close W-E, my sighted wife can
> > > make it work just fine.  I haven't tried NVDA yet.  Any thoughts?
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > Reg
> > > <regw...@btinternet.com>
> > >
> > > On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:45:12 -0600
> > > McLeod Stinnett via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> i found this on another list.
> > >> I posted this to another list or actually several. It is apparently only 
> > >> a temporary fix--since in Firefox 44, they will remove the configuration 
> > >> item that will disable this strict signing requirement. I know I am 
> > >> going to run 2 versions of Firefox: the current one which allows the 
> > >> hack and the newest one. If I need the webvisum plug-in, I will use that 
> > >> older one for signing into captia based sites.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> There is a workaround but it _may_ make you less secure.
> > >> 
> >

Re: strange behavior when connecting Hims braille sense

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi Eden

In my installation instructions for the Hims driver, I notice that it
says "note, you may have to close and restart Window-eyes before braille
appears".

To do this press control+alt+F4, and then enter to activate the OK
button to close Window-eyes.  Then press control+alt+w to restart it.

Good luck

-- 
Reg


On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 13:16:09 -0800
Eden Kizer via Talk  wrote:

> Ok so I'm totally new to Window-Eyes, and perhaps this is just some setting I 
> have wrong, but Hims could not help. I have connected a braille sense U2 to a 
> Usb port, selected the correct port in braille settings, and voila I can move 
> around the screen with the braille device. However under my fingers is no 
> braille. Is there any reason this could happen? Thanks so much.
> Eden
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Webvisum

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Out of interest, has anyone else found that Mozilla disables Webvisum in
its latest version?
I've contacted Webvisum asking if they can fix the problem, but nothing
back yet.

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Re: web vissum work around

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all
I find that the system crashes when I activate about:config in Firefox
with the latest W-E running but, if I close W-E, my sighted wife can
make it work just fine.  I haven't tried NVDA yet.  Any thoughts?

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:45:12 -0600
McLeod Stinnett via Talk  wrote:

> i found this on another list.
> I posted this to another list or actually several. It is apparently only a 
> temporary fix--since in Firefox 44, they will remove the configuration item 
> that will disable this strict signing requirement. I know I am going to run 2 
> versions of Firefox: the current one which allows the hack and the newest 
> one. If I need the webvisum plug-in, I will use that older one for signing 
> into captia based sites.
> 
> 
> There is a workaround but it _may_ make you less secure.
> 
> 
> 1. Open Firefox 43 and in the address bar, type the below line as seen with 
> no spaces:
> 
> about:config
> 
> 2. You will get a Firefox warning saying: 'This may void your warranty.' 
> Click on the button that sardonically says: 'I'll be careful, I promise.'
> 
> 3. tab once to the list of 700 or so items and press the letter X. You are 
> looking for the below item:
> 
> xpinstall.signatures.required
> 
> 4. When this item is highlighted, press the context key or right click and 
> choose toggel or press T (same thing.)
> 
> 5. The highlighted value should change to false as in:
> 
> xpinstall.signatures.required;false
> 
> 
> Then press control + W to close the window and when you run Firefox again, 
> Webvisum should work.
> 
> 
> Again, this may make you less secure, but if you are careful and do not allow 
> add ons to be installed automatically, at least in the opinion of some, your 
> risk is minimal. For versions going way back to Firefox 3 or 4, every time I 
> install something that inserts a browser add on, when I run Firefox for the 
> first time afterward, Firefox always prompts me to allow or disallow the 
> installation--regardless of whether the  
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Re: moving messages in becky

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi Butch

There may be a smarter way of doing this, but if you cut the message to
the clipboard, go to the folder you've made, and paste it in there, that
should work.

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> Hello, can someone tell me how to save messages to folders in becky? I have 
> created the folders, but I can't find the hotkey or setting to move a message 
> from the list to a folder. Any help is appreciated.
> 
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Re: BBC Radio

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Thank you very much Samuel

I'm replying to the list as I'm sure this will be useful to others, and,
also, I wonder if AI Squared have any comments on why this controls are
invisible.

Additionally, what bright spark thought that "jump media player" was any
kind of helpful description?  To me it means "avoid media player".

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On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:00:17 +
Samuel Wilkins <sound...@spwnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Hello Reg,
> You will have to find the link that says jump media player, turn off Brows 
> Mode, tab and you will come to the media help link.  Tab again and you will 
> not hear anything, but that is the play button.  Press the space bar and it 
> will start playing.  If you tab once more, you will find a mute button, a 
> second time will come to a volume slider, and a third time will take you to a 
> seek slider, but Window-Eyes will not say anything.  Hope this helps.
> 
> On 18/12/2015 05:21, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > This is a problem that's been around for a while, and I wonder if anyone
> > has a solution.
> > Using Windows7 and, now the latest W-E, I've just been trying to listen
> > to this link in Explorer and Firefox.
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06rwpnz
> >
> >
> > In Explorer, I see no "play" or "listen" button at all, but it will play
> > the short sound clips.
> > In firefox, I see no main listen button, but I do see a "listen in
> > pop-out player" link, which causes the Adobe Flash plug in to crash.
> > Incidentally, this also happens with NVDA.
> > If I close down the screen reader and reload the page, it will play, but
> > reopening W-E causes the crash again and all is silence.
> > Any thoughts?
> 
> -- Regards,
> 
> Samuel Wilkins

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Re: Appolo II Externa with 9.3.1

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Yes Jim it was, and now it is again (see my next message).

Thanks


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On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:55:29 -0600
Jim Ruby via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Was this working under 9.2.1?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jim=blindsea@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 2:04 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Appolo II Externa with 9.3.1
> 
> Unless you can find ways to test the serial port with another speech syn,
> else with the settings of the device manager is the only way you can try to
> see which problem lies.
> 
> 
> 
> regards
> Thomas N. Chan 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Reg Webb via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2015 2:44 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Appolo II Externa with 9.3.1
> 
> Hi all
> 
> My trusty Apollo II External, which I use when I don't want speech to be
> broadcast, works through a Prolific USB to Serial Convertor, which
> Windows says is "working properly".  The port number is correct, and the
> other port settings have not changed.  When I switch to this synth via
> the voice rotor, apollo just comes up with "Sigma9 0" ETC.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
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Changes in how 9.3.1 behaves

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all
1
I find that the first word in a file or folder name is often repeated.
For example, I have a folder called Misc Christmas" and W-E will now say
"Misc Misc Christmas".

2
In at least some edit boxes, how I can read the box has changed.  For
example, in Winamp, when editing the tag information with alt+3, If I
enter a publisher in the "publisher" edit box, up and down arrows will
no longer read what I just wrote, whereas left and right arrows will
read it character by character, and the whole edit box will read only if
I tab out of it and back again.  
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Re: Changes in how 9.3.1 behaves, now vanished

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Thanks Tom

By writing to Chris off list, telling him that this behavior went away
as mysteriously as it appeared, I inadvertently made work for others. 
Sorry about that.  As you suspected, restarting W-E fixed it.

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On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 11:01:24 -0500
Tom Kingston <tom.kings...@charter.net> wrote:

> Reg,
> 
> I can't duplicate either of these problems on my system. Folder names with 
> multiple words speak fine and up/down reads the edit boxes in the WinAmp 
> properties window.
> 
> You might want to try a reboot or reload of WE.
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 12/17/2015 5:19 AM, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:
> > Hi all
> > 1
> > I find that the first word in a file or folder name is often repeated.
> > For example, I have a folder called Misc Christmas" and W-E will now say
> > "Misc Misc Christmas".
> >
> > 2
> > In at least some edit boxes, how I can read the box has changed.  For
> > example, in Winamp, when editing the tag information with alt+3, If I
> > enter a publisher in the "publisher" edit box, up and down arrows will
> > no longer read what I just wrote, whereas left and right arrows will
> > read it character by character, and the whole edit box will read only if
> > I tab out of it and back again.
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Re: Latest Skype and W-E9.3

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Chris

I'm using the latest Toolkit but, again, I was a bit premature in asking
the question, because I took a look at the braille displays, and a
display was selected which I don't have.  Why this was a particular
problem for the Skype ap I don't know, but I tried to unselect it by
just going to "none" and saving the settings, whereupon the non-existent
braille display would come back and cause the error.  Eventually, I
realised that I had to "activate" "none", which sounds a bit
counter-intuitive, but I now know that "none" has to be activated to
make it stick.  OK, just in case anyone else goes through that.  Skype
isn't causing the error any more, but I'm still curious as to why the
braille display suddenly became a problem when I opened Skype.
9.3.1 is working well, and I haven't had any more of those crashes with
Firefox so far, for which I'm extremely grateful.

Thanks


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On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 18:42:59 +
Chris Grabowski <cgrabow...@aisquared.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> What version of the toolkit are you working with?
> Chris
> 
> 
> Window-Eyes Product Support
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> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Reg Webb via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 12:48 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Latest Skype and W-E9.3
> 
> Hi all
> 
> On this desktop machine, under Windows7, when I try to get to my list of
> contacts in Skype with alt+1, there is an error in GW Toolkit, which is
> "The Braille display is turned off".  Since I'm not currently using a
> braille display on this machine, that's hardly surprising, and I've
> never consciously configured Skype to run with braille.  Any thoughts?
> 
> -- 
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BBC Radio

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all

This is a problem that's been around for a while, and I wonder if anyone
has a solution.
Using Windows7 and, now the latest W-E, I've just been trying to listen
to this link in Explorer and Firefox.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06rwpnz


In Explorer, I see no "play" or "listen" button at all, but it will play
the short sound clips.
In firefox, I see no main listen button, but I do see a "listen in
pop-out player" link, which causes the Adobe Flash plug in to crash. 
Incidentally, this also happens with NVDA.
If I close down the screen reader and reload the page, it will play, but
reopening W-E causes the crash again and all is silence.
Any thoughts?
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Re: Appolo II Externa with 9.3.1 - problem solved

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi again all

Problem fixed.  One or both of 2 things solved it.

I unchecked a "use buffers" setting in the ports advanced settings, and
found that databits had mysteriously changed to 7 instead of 8.

As a separate bit of advice, Windows is quite capable of changing the
comport setting that will work with your speech synth without telling
you.  In the case of the USB to serial convertor, if your speech synth
won't work at all, go to the device manager and check the port number
it's using, which may occasionally change for reasons which I certainly
don't understand.

Good luck

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On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 06:44:16 GMT
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> Hi all
> 
> My trusty Apollo II External, which I use when I don't want speech to be
> broadcast, works through a Prolific USB to Serial Convertor, which
> Windows says is "working properly".  The port number is correct, and the
> other port settings have not changed.  When I switch to this synth via
> the voice rotor, apollo just comes up with "Sigma9 0" ETC.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> -- 
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Appolo II Externa with 9.3.1

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all

My trusty Apollo II External, which I use when I don't want speech to be
broadcast, works through a Prolific USB to Serial Convertor, which
Windows says is "working properly".  The port number is correct, and the
other port settings have not changed.  When I switch to this synth via
the voice rotor, apollo just comes up with "Sigma9 0" ETC.

Any ideas?

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Re: Still can't get WE to read selected text in Notepad

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Larry and all

Jart often does this for me too.  Sometimes, a file will load and
nothing speaks at all  Closing and reopening the file and at least the
text speaks, but, as you say shift+down arrow doesn't speak the selected
text.

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On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 06:46:26 -0600
Larry Higgins via Talk  wrote:

> Hello Listers,
> 
> I asked about this issue a couple of months ago, and never got a satisfactory 
> answer.
> 
> For some reason, on my system, We will not read text as it is selected via 
> the shift+arrow method. The Notepad set is loading properly, or so it would 
> seem, and yet for some reason, this problem persists.
> 
> Is there any setting I might check or change to permanently solve this 
> problem?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Larry
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Re: W-e Not reliably selecting my speech sound device

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi and thanks.

My problem is that I don't understand why it selects the right device
sometimes on startup, but not at others, when it appears to make an
arbitrary selection.  I'm guessing there's sometimes a discrepancy
between when USB becomes available, and when W-E selects the ports
available, but maybe not.
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On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 22:41:58 -0800
"net bat" <net...@comcast.net> wrote:

> in your w e synthisizer settings make sure that it is not set to use a backup 
> synthisizer.
> sometimes you have to unplug and re insert the usb cable so windows can 
> properly detect the usb port.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message- From: Reg Webb via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:23 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: W-e Not reliably selecting my speech sound device
> 
> Hi all
> 
> While on the subject of sound device selection, I have Vocalise Samantha
> as my default software speech, with a USB sound device as its chosen
> sound card.  On startup, sometimes the selected device comes up properly,
> and sometimes it doesn't.  When it doesn't, W-E selects a device of its
> choice instead.  Fortunately, I have trusty Apollo in the voice rotor,
> so I can correct this, save the settings, and wait to see what happens
> next time I start my computer.
> does anyone know why W-E is randomly making sound card selections other
> than mine?
> -- Reg
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W-e Not reliably selecting my speech sound device

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all

While on the subject of sound device selection, I have Vocalise Samantha
as my default software speech, with a USB sound device as its chosen
sound card.  On startup, sometimes the selected device comes up properly,
and sometimes it doesn't.  When it doesn't, W-E selects a device of its
choice instead.  Fortunately, I have trusty Apollo in the voice rotor,
so I can correct this, save the settings, and wait to see what happens
next time I start my computer.
does anyone know why W-E is randomly making sound card selections other
than mine?
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Re: Error reports

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Yes, but I'm talking about putting my email address into the "optional
comments" in the error report itself.

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On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:32:13 -0500
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> There was no name on this email..  Some people's names come out, and others 
> just say "via talk".  Pam.
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> -Original Message- From: via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 7:47 AM
> To: Reg Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Error reports
> 
> Error reports are quite important, you can't fix a bug you don't know
> anything about.  So, keep them coming.
> 
> Reg Webb via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all
> >
> > Does anyone actually review submitted error reports?
> > I ask because Firefox and W-E between them keep causing an annoying
> > crash, and I keep submitting error reports containing, I assume, more or
> > less identical error data.  In the "optional comments", I often include
> > my email address, and I ask if it's worth repeatedly sending in what may
> > be the same error report, since I don't want to waste the staff's time,
> > let alone mine.
> > No response to this question so far, which is why I'm sending it to the
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Error reports

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all

Does anyone actually review submitted error reports?
I ask because Firefox and W-E between them keep causing an annoying
crash, and I keep submitting error reports containing, I assume, more or
less identical error data.  In the "optional comments", I often include
my email address, and I ask if it's worth repeatedly sending in what may
be the same error report, since I don't want to waste the staff's time,
let alone mine.
No response to this question so far, which is why I'm sending it to the
list, in order to, maybe, get an answer.

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Re: Error reports

[Reg Webb via Talk]

I understand that, but I've sent in so many of the same error, that I
wondered if someone might take a look, and say that this is the same
error every time, so we get the message.

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On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 07:47:57 -0500
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> Error reports are quite important, you can't fix a bug you don't know
> anything about.  So, keep them coming.
> 
> Reg Webb via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all
> > 
> > Does anyone actually review submitted error reports?
> > I ask because Firefox and W-E between them keep causing an annoying
> > crash, and I keep submitting error reports containing, I assume, more or
> > less identical error data.  In the "optional comments", I often include
> > my email address, and I ask if it's worth repeatedly sending in what may
> > be the same error report, since I don't want to waste the staff's time,
> > let alone mine.
> > No response to this question so far, which is why I'm sending it to the
> > list, in order to, maybe, get an answer.
> > 
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Virtual View, OCR and Ebay CAPTCHAS

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all
If I ask a question about an Ebay item, I sometimes get asked to solve a
CAPTCHA before I can send my question to the seller.
The fact that this doesn't always happen may make it harder to answer my
question.  However, if you have encountered this, have you managed to
resolve the "numbers in the image" with W-E's Virtual View?
With the Windows TIF filter installed, W-E says "no text found".  Has
anyone else made this work? If so how please..
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Re: Virtual View

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all

Does this app have potential for identifying bitmap graphics - In
Cuebase for example?
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 19:01:40 +
chris via Talk  wrote:

> And has anyone thought that this could be very useful in programs like Vmware 
> where the virtual machine's monitor so to speak is printed as an image? So 
> you could do an alt-print screen to capture the image, as always, then 
> Virtual View with its cool new OCR functionality will kick in and recognize 
> the captured image. This way one could bypass Windows and Linux Easy Installs 
> and install the guest operating systems manually! Just a very good example of 
> the convenience of alt-print screen and Virtual View's cool new OCR 
> functionality!
> 
> On 05/11/2015 17:28, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> > I should point out that Alt-Print Screen is nothing more than a 
> > convenience. And optional feature, if you will. It has no bearing on the 
> > core functionality of Virtual View. We just thought it'd be a nice 
> > addition. The core functionality of Virtual View involves launching Virtual 
> > View, and either selecting a window or file to virtualize. That hasn't 
> > changed, except for the addition of being able to select files instead of 
> > windows. The only reason we piggy-backed on Alt-Print Screen is because, as 
> > Tom mentioned, it's an operating system hotkey that generates an image. Why 
> > not, then, offer the ability to OCR that image what with the new OCR 
> > functionality. Again, Alt-Print Screen has nothing to do with whether or 
> > not Virtual View works. Alt-Print screen is just so you can OCR the active 
> > window easily. It's a convenience thing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Aaron
> >
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Edit boxes in IE and Firefox

[Reg Webb via Talk]

I may have missed earlier discussion, but does anyone suddenly find that
an edit box in IE or Firefox suddenly won't read unless you restart W-E? 
Is there a fix?  Windows7 and W-E9.2


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W-E at startup

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all

This may be a minor quibble but, normally when I press control+backslash,
I expect W-E's control panel to get focus automatically.
On startup, after log in, pressing control+backslash produces silence,
but alt+tab gets me to the control panel.  If I then shut down and
restart W-E, control+backslash brings the control panel into immediate
focus.
What is it about W-E at startup which is different, and is it likely to
effect the screen reader's operation in any other way?

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Re: Control+s in Winamp

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Thanks Rod but yesterday I tried stopping the script, and W-E still
seems to have a hold on control+s unless I use the bypass key.
Does anyone know if there's a good way of searching for W-E keystrokes?

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On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 19:38:28 -0400
Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Reg,
> 
> If you use the Winamp Scripts app, which I do not, perhaps it uses that hot
> key for its own functionality.
> 
> Hth,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Reg Webb via Talk
> Sent: October 16, 2015 5:52 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: Control+s in Winamp
> 
> Hi Manny
> Thanks.  Yes, I discovered earlier today that it would work if I used
> the bypass key, but control+s works in other applications, so what
> function is W-E trapping in Winamp?
>   
> -- 
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> 
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:18:05 -1000
> manny <mauima...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Reg,
> > Control s still works here with no problems.
> > Try   pressing insert b,
> > before pressing  control s.
> > If it still does not work, then check the hotkey option settings.
> > 
> > Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my
> stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. ** **
> ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** **
> computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.2, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
> premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad core
> drivers and software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver Booster,
> which sighted assistance is needed, but other than that Driver Booster is a
> great program. Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird, Google Chrome,
> Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security: Microsoft security
> essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform, Maintenance: C-cleaner,
> Ultra Defrag
> > On 10/15/2015 8:33 PM, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Can anyone suggest why control+s no longer opens the "save playlist"
> > > dialogue in winamp?
> > > Control+j and control+o still work, so I'm completely mystified.
> > >
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Re: Control+s in Winamp

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi Manny
Thanks.  Yes, I discovered earlier today that it would work if I used
the bypass key, but control+s works in other applications, so what
function is W-E trapping in Winamp?

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On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:18:05 -1000
manny <mauima...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Reg,
> Control s still works here with no problems.
> Try   pressing insert b,
> before pressing  control s.
> If it still does not work, then check the hotkey option settings.
> 
> Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my 
> stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. ** ** 
> ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** ** computer 
> specifications: Window Eyes 9.2, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home premium, with 
> dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad core drivers and 
> software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver Booster, which sighted 
> assistance is needed, but other than that Driver Booster is a great program. 
> Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird, Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, 
> Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security: Microsoft security essential, Malware 
> Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform, Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
> On 10/15/2015 8:33 PM, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > Can anyone suggest why control+s no longer opens the "save playlist"
> > dialogue in winamp?
> > Control+j and control+o still work, so I'm completely mystified.
> >

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Control+s in Winamp

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all

Can anyone suggest why control+s no longer opens the "save playlist"
dialogue in winamp?
Control+j and control+o still work, so I'm completely mystified.

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Re: Having trouble with edit fields...

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi

You can set browse mode to turn on and off automatically when, for
instance, W-E finds you in an edit box.  That may help.
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 12:39:23 -0500
Jo Taliaferro via Talk  wrote:

> It seems that lots of developers are using multi-line edit fields now.
> Facebook for one and Caring Bridge for example.  I'm having a hard time
> knowing where to put in a message, comment or a search string when this is
> the case.  Am I missing a command or what?  Using Windows 7 64-bit laptop
> and IE 11 with WE9.2.  If I'm on a page and on the internet, I can press E
> to get to the edit or multi-line edit but if I try to input anything I hear,
> "invalid keystroke.Hmmm, not sure why but using the F keystroke worked
> for me this morning.  Is this a Windows 10 thing or are you going to send me
> a link saying that you have covered this and where was I when you did?
> Grin!
> 
> Jo Taliaferro
> 
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Re: Twitter and Window Eyes

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Paulette
There is in fact a working version of The Qube.  I use it, and it's fine.
I'll check the exact version number, and send it to you if you like.

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Karyn Campbell via Talk  wrote:

> Paulette,
> 
> If you are going to use twitter on a windows machine, you wil need to use an
> app call Chicken Nugget.  The Qube doesn't work anymore; or at least my
> husband could not get it to work on my machine after it crashed.  We had no
> choice but to go to Chicken Nugget.
> 
> Hope this helps and good luck.
> 
> Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, karyn1...@gmail.com
> Using WE 9.1  on HP Pavilion laptop running Windows 8.1 home premium 64-bit
> with Office 2013 and IE 11 as well as Acer netbook running Windows 7  home
> premium 64-bit with Office 2007 and IE 11 and Microsoft Windows Defender
> onAcer netbook as well as Macaffee Live Safe on HP Pavilion.
> 
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> www.gofundme.com/icb2015.
> 
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IE11 and W-E9.2

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all

I occasionally find that when writing in an edit box in Facebook, the
arrow keys no longer speak the text for me to edit it.  If I shut down
W-E, the speech comes back in that edit box.  Sorry I can't be specific
about when and why this happens, which is why I'm asking the question
here I guess.

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Re: Amazon customer feedback star ratings

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Hi and thank you
Yes it does sometimes, but it depends on which kind of mail you're
getting from Amazon.  It's different if, for instance, you're rating a
Marketplace seller as distinct from something from Amazon direct.
On the kind of page you mention, I really wish the links themselves were
labelled - that confused me initially.

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On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 01:00:54 -0500
via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Does the UK Amazon page have anything like this?
> 
> largeStars._V372372331_
> 
> On the North American site, there is a list of five of these. They work like
> links and the star status is indicated just below the list.
> 
> Lou N.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal....@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Reg Webb via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 2:45 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Amazon customer feedback star ratings
> 
> In case there's a difference, I use amazon.co.uk
> If you submit customer feedback on a purchase, a star rating is required. 
> From the link Amazon sends me to enter such feedback, I see only "please
> enter a rating", but no drop down or series of buttons for the number of
> stars.
> Does anybody have a solution for this?
> Latest W-E under Windows7.
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Amazon customer feedback star ratings

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Further to my message below, someone wrote to me off list, reporting
that he sees the star ratings as check boxes but, on
amazon.co.uk/feedback I see radio buttons in Firefox and IE, but no
check boxes.
Why might that be?


Reg

In case there's a difference, I use amazon.co.uk
If you submit customer feedback on a purchase, a star rating is required. 
>From the link Amazon sends me to enter such feedback, I see only "please
enter a rating", but no drop down or series of buttons for the number of
stars.
Does anybody have a solution for this?
Latest W-E under Windows7.
-- 
Reg


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Keyboard verbosity in Winamp

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all
In the latest Winamp, with W-E9.2 and Windows7-64, once upon a time, I
had keyboard voice on with characters in the "jump to time" dialogue,
and in the "file info" dialogue, but not in the main and playlist
windows.
Now, in roder to hear what I'm typing in those dialogues, I have to have
"voice on with characters" on in the windows, which means that I hear "X"
and "V" when playing or stopping.
How do I get back to how it was please.  I currently have winamp.set
associated.  Is this still necessary with Jeff's scripts?

Thanks for any help

-- 
Reg


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