[Talk-transit] Open Data Trip Planner

2011-07-07 Thread Mark Lester
I've been knocking about the whole idea of route planning in places where there is next to no online information currently available, e.g. bus operators, both public and certainly private, for just about anywhere you might need a visa for. Part of what I was thinking about is probably done

[Talk-hr] Imena ulica

2011-07-07 Thread Janko Mihelić
Pozdrav maperi, primjetio sam da kod upisivanja naziva ulica imamo trend izbacivati ulica iz naziva. Jasno mi je da ih je tako lakše izgovarati, ali imena ulica i dalje nisu samo Gundulićeva nego Ulica Ivana Gundulića. U isto vrijeme se ne izbacuje cesta, odvojak, trg, avenija, zavoj, aleja i

Re: [Talk-hr] Imena ulica

2011-07-07 Thread Janko Mihelić
Sanela je napisala, greškom samo meni: 2011/7/7 sanela spvuji...@gmail.com I mene je to zbunjivalo dok nisam vidjela sluzbene karte sa lokalnim nazivima a la Kaciceva, Jukiceva i sl. A ja odgovorio: 2011/7/7 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com Gledaj na te karte kao na rendere, a na našu kartu

Re: [Talk-hr] Imena ulica

2011-07-07 Thread Ivo Ugrina
On 07/07/2011 10:01 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: 2011/7/7 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com Gledaj na te karte kao na rendere, a na našu kartu kao na bazu točnih informacija. Oni su napisali Klaićeva i Kačićeva zato što im je tako ljepše izgledalo. Možda i izgleda ljepše, ali to ne znači da je točno.

Re: [Talk-hr] Imena ulica

2011-07-07 Thread Janko Mihelić
Možda, ali za to postoji tag loc_namehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Name. 2011/7/7 Ivo Ugrina i...@iugrina.com On 07/07/2011 10:01 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: 2011/7/7 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com Gledaj na te karte kao na rendere, a na našu kartu kao na bazu točnih informacija. Oni

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-07-06 23:31, John Smith wrote: On 7 July 2011 07:25, Andreas Perstingerandreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: No, I just wanted to show you that you can't really tell if someone retraces a removed way by looking at an aerial imagery, by looking at the current OSM map or by just moving

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 July 2011 16:16, Andreas Perstinger andreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: That's why I prefer PD because I believe there is no protection and so why bother about licenses at all? Wouldn't it be great if we could all wish away inconvenient laws like that, however morality often drives laws and

[OSM-legal-talk] OT: artists and copyright (was Re: license change effect on un-tagged nodes)

2011-07-07 Thread Andreas Perstinger
Probably OT: On 2011-07-07 02:25, John Smith wrote: How many painters die poor? What about famous composers? Economics became an issue much later. So artists have a human right to be rich? There are many reasons why painters or composers die poor (people don't like their work and don't

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-07-07 08:24, John Smith wrote: On 7 July 2011 16:16, Andreas Perstingerandreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: That's why I prefer PD because I believe there is no protection and so why bother about licenses at all? Wouldn't it be great if we could all wish away inconvenient laws like

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OT: artists and copyright (was Re: license change effect on un-tagged nodes)

2011-07-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 July 2011 16:40, Andreas Perstinger andreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: So artists have a human right to be rich? Glad you took my point so far out of context, someone claimed that copyright existed for economic reasons. ___ legal-talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Simon, Andreas, all, when discussing these things with the person who goes by the pseudonym of John Smith, keep in mind that he is spending a lot of time building/supporting an OpenStreetMap fork. The forkers, as I like to call them, are driven by all kinds of motivations, the most

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 July 2011 16:58, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: While they started out wishing OSM to suffer the least possible damage, their ego now forces them to demand the most rigid - even absurd - data deletion policies for the license change lest they look like idiots for starting a fork

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread Simon Poole
Frederik, I'm fully aware of JS motives and tactics and normally avoid getting sucked in to his endless threads. But it was 2 am and I was just finishing tax returns and associated book keeping. John Smith is a tiny bit more entertaining than that and I needed a short break :-) Simon Am

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread 80n
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Simon, Andreas, all, when discussing these things with the person who goes by the pseudonym of John Smith, keep in mind that he is spending a lot of time building/supporting an OpenStreetMap fork. The forkers, as

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
+1 Frederik has not shown much respect for any argument nor to anyone that disagrees with the future commercialisation of OSM. (with that I means making OSM optimally fit for commercial use; disregarding the open principles that OSM started with: leaving out the Share Alike principle)

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-07-07 08:58, Frederik Ramm wrote: when discussing these things with the person who goes by the pseudonym of John Smith, keep in mind that he is spending a lot of time building/supporting an OpenStreetMap fork. I know who John Smith and his fellows are and I even read their

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-07-07 08:39, Anthony wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:16 AM, Andreas Perstinger No (see above). But I think it's more a question of morality and adhering to community guidelines. Legally I don't see any problems using informations from any map (or aerial imagery). But using

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-07-07 09:35, 80n wrote: Data loss is your problem not ours. I see people doing thought experiments about how they can get around the wishes of contributors who have, in good faith, provided their content under the CC license. Those people who have not agreed to the CT have not

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-07-07 08:48, Anthony wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Andreas Perstinger andreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: On 2011-07-07 08:24, John Smith wrote: Wouldn't it be great if we could all wish away inconvenient laws like that, however morality often drives laws and they tend seem

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Fwd: [OSM-dev] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread Dave F.
On 07/07/2011 07:41, Anthony wrote: Thanks Toby. I'm forwarding this to Dave Fox, who is the one who actually asked the question. It follows pretty naturally out of the database schema. Anything that modifies the ways, way_tags or way_nodes tables creates a new version of the way. Things

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-07-07 19:55, John Smith wrote: On 7 July 2011 21:49, Andreas Perstingerandreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: But that doesn't mean that their content won't show up in a future ODBL map. I've noticed that John Smith doesn't want to answer my question, but perhaps you would: How far away

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
+1 Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: John Smith [mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com] Verzonden: donderdag 7 juli 2011 19:55 Aan: Licensing and other legal discussions. Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes On 7 July 2011 21:49, Andreas Perstinger

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread Rob Myers
On 07/07/11 20:14, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: +1 /2 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-07-07 Thread James Livingston
On 16 June 2011 21:08, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 06/16/11 12:31, Dermot McNally wrote: Not quite, based on what Richard is saying. It would allow future relicensing but only if the new licence remained compatible with the terms seen to be required by the OS (currently

Re: [OSM-talk] new zealand, australia

2011-07-07 Thread Stephen Hope
It is confusing, but I don't think that I'd call it correct, either. New Guinea can be considered part of the Australian continent, but New Zealand is not. It's Islands, and not on the continental shelf. It and NG are sometimes listed as part of Australasia (not Australia), and a bigger area

Re: [OSM-talk] new zealand, australia

2011-07-07 Thread Robin Paulson
On 7 July 2011 17:56, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: Looking at the details it seems like the Australia being referred to is the continent, not the country. The New Zealand node has a is_in:continent=Australia tag and there is a place=continent node a-ha, thanks that nominatim is

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-07 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Yes, thats the consensus and has been for a long time. Some mappers always disagree, just ignore them. :-) +1 And in software, it is always easier to shorten a word than expanding an abbreviation. 'st' is for 'Saint' or for

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 July 2011 19:23, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Yes, thats the consensus and has been for a long time. Some mappers always disagree, just ignore them. :-) +1 And in software, it is always easier to shorten a word

Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road

2011-07-07 Thread Dave F.
On 06/07/2011 03:54, Robin Paulson wrote: hi, I'm currently adding a lot of bus routes to roads in central Auckland. problem is, it's getting hard to manage. some road segments have 40+ routes on them, which gets complicated. here is an example of one which I've added 12 routes to; there will

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-07 Thread john whelan
Occasionally some one may wish to add a translation or find the street programmatically. For example using Maperitive and a local copy to search for the street. Having the full name helps enormously. End users don't like having to try high street, high St. etc until they find the right

Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road

2011-07-07 Thread Dave F.
On 06/07/2011 10:03, Jo wrote: There is this proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Route_Segments, which I like, but it seems it's not worked on anymore and it's not rendered, since it involves relations containing relations. I don't really mind having many relations

Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road

2011-07-07 Thread Richard Mann
With P2 the easier way of working is to select a whole series of ways (ctrl-click to add a second way while maintaining selection of the first), then add all of the ways to a relation (or multiple relations) at the same time. You can select all members of an existing relation using the little

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-07 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 7 July 2011 11:29, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 July 2011 19:23, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Yes, thats the consensus and has been for a long time. Some mappers always disagree, just ignore them.

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-07 Thread Borbus
On 07/07/11 10:29, John Smith wrote: In some cases, the official name is with the abbreviation, eg St. George Bank in Australia and there is a town named St. George. Yes. I found one just today actually. Ordnance Survey (national mapping agency) record the name as Upper St Giles Street. The

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread Steve Coast
Awesome. Can you go run that project and leave us in peace then please? Steve On 7/7/2011 12:35 AM, 80n wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org mailto:frede...@remote.org wrote: Simon, Andreas, all, when discussing these things with the

[OSM-talk] Mailing list moderation

2011-07-07 Thread Richard Weait
After careful consideration, effective immediately Mikel Maron, Andy Robinson and Mike Collinson have access to the moderation system across the main OSM mailing lists. They will use their best judgment according to the a href=http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette#Mailing_Lists; moderation

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 July 2011 23:33, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: In some cases, the official name is with the abbreviation, eg St. George Bank in Australia and there is a town named St. George. Still you say Saint George, not S.T. George. Well you can ring up the bank/local government and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 July 2011 21:49, Andreas Perstinger andreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: But that doesn't mean that their content won't show up in a future ODBL map. I've noticed that John Smith doesn't want to answer my question, but perhaps you would: How far away do I have to move a node or a way so that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-07 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:55 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 July 2011 21:49, Andreas Perstinger andreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: But that doesn't mean that their content won't show up in a future ODBL map. I've noticed that John Smith doesn't want to answer my question,

Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road

2011-07-07 Thread Robin Paulson
On 7 July 2011 23:02, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: You don't actually say what the problem is. err, what? the problem is managing the ways inside the editor (potlatch 2). it gets very messy and is hard to keep track of. i find at later dates i have made several mistakes that need

Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road

2011-07-07 Thread Robin Paulson
On 7 July 2011 23:59, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: With P2 the easier way of working is to select a whole series of ways (ctrl-click to add a second way while maintaining selection of the first), then add all of the ways to a relation (or multiple relations) at the

Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road

2011-07-07 Thread Dave F.
On 07/07/2011 21:52, Robin Paulson wrote: On 7 July 2011 23:02, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: You don't actually say what the problem is. err, what? the problem is managing the ways inside the editor (potlatch 2). You made no mention of that in your original post. Maybe you should

Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing list moderation

2011-07-07 Thread Steve Bennett
I, for one, welcome our new moderator overlords. Seriously, I'm very glad this decision has been taken, and I hope we can use it to lift the level of discussion. Steve On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: After careful consideration, effective immediately Mikel

[OSM-talk] house numbers, new zealand style

2011-07-07 Thread Robin Paulson
i'm currently adding house numbers to some properties in my locality (and using this to prepare for an import). the problem is this: some blocks of houses have both a street address and a unit number. so we might have the situation of 12/8 mount eden road, auckland which means: property number

Re: [OSM-talk] house numbers, new zealand style

2011-07-07 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: i'm currently adding house numbers to some properties in my locality (and using this to prepare for an import). the problem is this: some blocks of houses have both a street address and a unit number. so we might

[OSM-talk] Project of the Week: Vienna, and future PotW

2011-07-07 Thread Richard Weait
h2This week/h2 We're on the way to Vienna for a href=http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_Europe_2011;State of the Map-EU/a, so the Project of the Week is to map those things that will help you get to Vienna. a

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-07 Thread John Harvey
I find there are a lot more abbreviations if you look at addr:street= rather than the name= . I suspect that with mobile entry of POI's we are going to see more and more abbreviations being entered, just because mobile keyboards are slow. I would applaud a bot that asked me if I meant the

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-07 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 7 July 2011 19:50, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 July 2011 23:33, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: In some cases, the official name is with the abbreviation, eg St. George Bank in Australia and there is a town named St. George. Still you say Saint George, not

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 July 2011 13:59, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 July 2011 19:50, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 July 2011 23:33, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: In some cases, the official name is with the abbreviation, eg St. George Bank in Australia and

[OSM-talk] Obvious turn restrictions

2011-07-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I've come across a fair number of what I call obvious turn restrictions. Here's an example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1566983 The only thing being prevented by this is turning right onto Shelbyville Road from the motorway_link. But there's a cutoff to the southeast that you

Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing list moderation

2011-07-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Steve Bennett wrote: I, for one, welcome our new moderator overlords. Seriously, I'm very glad this decision has been taken, and I hope we can use it to lift the level of discussion. I can practically feel things getting better already! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Commentaar bij een wijziging; verschillende sets aanmaken.

2011-07-07 Thread drek
Op 05-07-11 15:33, Willem Sonke schreef: On 05-07-11 02:13, Andre Engels wrote: 2011/7/5 drek d...@drek.nl mailto:d...@drek.nl Weet iemand misschien een antwoord op mijn vraag? Ik wil graag commentaar bij een gedane wijziging wijzigen. Is dit mogelijk? Nee, voorzover ik weet kan dat

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Sam Couter
Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: Wow, you infer a lot from my four word sentence. Do you have any evidence to back any of it up? You mean other than the message you affirmed pretty strongly? Maybe it's a difference between Australian English and British English, but I'd think those four

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Andrew Harvey
Thanks for the responses. So it seems there will be some fragmentation. Some are moving to fosm, some are moving elsewhere, some are staying with OSM, some have stopped actively contributing and are on hold... I wrote this mail for two reasons, to get a sense of where local contributors stand, but

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread 80n
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.comwrote: The more who contribute directly to fosm rather than OSM, the less the work there will be for fosmers dealing with duplicated data resulting from merges. If it becomes a big problem, I think we should be able to do

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Steve Coast
FOSMs not going anywhere for some simple reasons. The people running it are ineffective, the data will be incompatible when OSM switches, fosm doesn't have any of the agreements to derive data from aerial imagery. I could go on, but those are the big ticket items. Everyone should be aware of

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread 80n
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: FOSMs not going anywhere for some simple reasons. The people running it are ineffective, the data will be incompatible when OSM switches, fosm doesn't have any of the agreements to derive data from aerial imagery. I could

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Steve Coast
On 7/7/2011 7:15 AM, 80n wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com mailto:st...@asklater.com wrote: FOSMs not going anywhere for some simple reasons. The people running it are ineffective, the data will be incompatible when OSM switches, fosm doesn't

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread waldo000...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: You've been very successful at perverting certain sections of the community, Australia being a good example ... Steve, please don't underestimate the ability of Australia to filter bullshit. I just want to: 1) be able to

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Steve Coast
On 7/7/2011 7:40 AM, waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com mailto:st...@asklater.com wrote: You've been very successful at perverting certain sections of the community, Australia being a good example ... Steve, please don't

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread waldo000...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: ...I believe we should spend energy enlightening aerial providers (or wait for them to catch up) Yup, I'm waiting... (I just wanted to point out why I have stopped contributing - it's not in protest, and not because I've

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Grant Slater
On 7 July 2011 15:09, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: FOSMs not going anywhere for some simple reasons. The people running it are ineffective, the data will be incompatible when OSM switches, fosm doesn't have any of the agreements to derive data from aerial imagery. I could go on, but

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Steve Coast
Why did you stop then? Is there no aerial imagery where you are other than nearmap? On 7/7/2011 8:03 AM, waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com mailto:st...@asklater.com wrote: ...I believe we should spend energy enlightening aerial

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 July 2011 00:55, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: We've gone to insanely long lengths to make that the case, including getting clarifications from Ordnance Survey, Nearmap and many others. As far as I'm aware there are no remaining issues as to why you can't click 'accept'. He said

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread John Henderson
On 08/07/11 00:01, 80n wrote: The probability of collisions is quite small in practice. We are able to automatically sync all OSM updates into fosm.org http://fosm.org in near real time. Consequenly fosm.org http://fosm.org already has more content than OSM and the gap will continue to widen.

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 July 2011 06:46, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: What particularly turns me off fosm.org is that I am unable to see a map when I go to the site. Using Firefox on Linux, I click on Maps and get FOSM based tiles are being uploaded to archive.org:

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-07-07 at 08:11 -0700, Steve Coast wrote: Why did you stop then? Is there no aerial imagery where you are other than nearmap? Theres this thing in Australia called loyalty. You seem to understand very little about Australian culture. Its almost the height of rudeness after someone

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Neal Schulz
Hi John, At low zoom I see lots of broken tiles. I was looking at Hobart. Any Ideas? Neal - Original Message - From: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com To: John Henderson snow...@gmx.com Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, 8 July, 2011 6:53:00 AM Subject: Re: [talk-au]

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Ben Kelley
I wonder if people would mind keeping their unconstructive comments for some other medium than this list. On Jul 8, 2011 9:24 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Theres this thing in Australia called loyalty. You seem to understand very little about Australian culture. Its almost

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: Since the ban on all contributors who didn't sign the CTs, and ban on all new contributors from using NearMap and other CC-BY/CC-BY-SA sources, I'm no longer actively contributing to the OSM database. Instead I am now

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread James Andrewartha
On 7 July 2011 22:55, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: On 7/7/2011 7:40 AM, waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: You've been very successful at perverting certain sections of the community, Australia being a good example ...

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread James Livingston
On 6 July 2011 21:29, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: and also people who ticked the CTs who have used CC-BY/CC-BY-SA sources in the past who may want to keep this data and continue using these sources in the future. Indeed. Number 9 on the list is

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread SteveC
This reads like you disagree with taxation or death. I do too, but there's not much I can do about it. The vast majority of people are happy with where we are at and now it's down to people holding out because of a comma in the wrong place or a moral objection to various aspects of intellectual

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 July 2011 13:26, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: The vast majority of people are happy with where we are at What about the 50 odd percent of people that haven't responded? I don't see how it's reasonable to throw everything away for one guy who doesn't like his countries laws. So

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:26 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I don't see how it's reasonable to throw everything away for one guy who doesn't like his countries laws. There are more countries without sui generis database rights laws than with it.

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread James Livingston
On 8 July 2011 13:26, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: The vast majority of people are happy with where we are at From what I've read on ML posts, and from what was reported about the last SotM meeting (I wasn't there), the vast majority of people don't care and would be happy with the status

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread SteveC
I would phrase it that the vast majority aren't lawyers and don't want to become one, therefore don't know the implications of the problems with cc. That is all this is predicated upon, lawyers say that cc doesn't work for data. If they didn't say that then we would never have gone down this

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread SteveC
What you say mike is mostly reasonable apart from the control bit. It's a democratically elected nonprofit, so it's hard to cast that as a dictatorship. Steve stevecoast.com On Jul 7, 2011, at 20:47, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Chris

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 July 2011 13:54, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I would phrase it that the vast majority aren't lawyers and don't want to become one, therefore don't know the implications of the problems with cc. It's a false assumption, the only way it would be geo factual data is if you copied 1:1

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:54 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I would phrase it that the vast majority aren't lawyers and don't want to become one, therefore don't know the implications of the problems with cc. That is all this is predicated upon, lawyers say that cc doesn't work for data.

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread SteveC
Actually, the license process has been known about for a long, long time so it's not this new turnaround you cast it as. In addition, everyone else (bing, ordnance survey...) has worked with us very reasonably. In fact it's hard to say near map have been unreasonable, just that they were not

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Mike Dupont
The control seems to be good, but I have no personal say in it. The new license maybe good, but I dont want to accept it if I dont understand it 100%. With the new distributed system we are building I can : 1. Host my own maps without begging or asking for permissions. 2. Commit my own code to

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 July 2011 14:06, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Actually, the license process has been known about for a long, long time so it's not this new turnaround you cast it as. In addition, everyone else (bing, ordnance survey...) has worked with us very reasonably. In fact it's hard to say

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 July 2011 14:06, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: As for this 'uk mob' thing, that too is unreasonable. As a democratically elected board, we have members from many countries and you are invited to get involved or run for election. Is it true that you had to do a lot of rule fiddling so

[talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Nick Hocking
Nathan I've been mapping farm fences etc in the Yass, NSW area, where the Bing resolution is high enough to do so Hi Nathan, Do you live near Yass? If so can you throw any light on the two or three streets that don't have street signs on them? I've tried many times to find names for the road

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread James Andrewartha
On 8 July 2011 11:26, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: This reads like you disagree with taxation or death. I do too, but there's not much I can do about it. The vast majority of people are happy with where we are at and now it's down to people holding out because of a comma in the wrong

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:37 AM, James Andrewartha tr...@student.uwa.edu.au wrote: On 8 July 2011 11:26, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: This reads like you disagree with taxation or death. I do too, but there's not much I can do about it. The vast majority of people are happy with where we

Re: [Talk-br] OpenStreetMap no Android

2011-07-07 Thread Leonardo Gomes
Obrigado por responder !!! Eu gostaria de baixar somente o Rio de Janeiro, mas o Brasil não faz mal. Eu gostaria de entender melhor como baixar os mapas, quais arquivos baixar de onde e etc. Agora aplicação para IOS eu não sei, não tenho iphone e se tivesse um, poderia tentar te ajudar a

[Talk-de] OSM Daten im 50km Radius ermitteln

2011-07-07 Thread Michael Buchberger
Hi Liste, Ich benötige OSM Daten die in einem 50km Radius um meinen Wohnort liegen. Über die API schaffe ich es nicht, die meint das Gebiet (bbox) ist zu groß. Zur Zeit nutze ich die Daten von Rheinland-Pfalz die die Geofabrik zur Verfügung stellt. Mit meinem 50km Radius erwische ich aber

Re: [Talk-de] OSM Daten im 50km Radius ermitteln

2011-07-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, On 07/07/11 08:35, Michael Buchberger wrote: Mehrere OSM Dateien zu einer zusammenfassen sollte kein Problem sein osmosis --rx 1.osm --rx 2.osm --rx 3.osm --merge --merge --wx merged.osm Besser das Europa-File runterladen, sonst hast Du komische Effekte an den Schnittstellen.

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-07 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 12:05:13AM +0200, Stephan Wolff wrote: Moin! Am 06.07.2011 14:19, schrieb Florian Lohoff: On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 12:27:29PM +0200, Sven Sommerkamp wrote: Die Frage ist doch immer wieviel ist ausreichend und macht Sinn? Nein - es gibt kein ausreichend. Jeder darf

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-07 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 12:20:08AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Ja, das stimmt. Das sind zum Beispiel auch die ueblichen Argumente gegen Luftraum- oder Historien-Mapping. Aber darueber kann man ja sprechen und einen Konsens finden. Selbst (oder gerade?) einem Anfaengermapper wuerde vermutlich

Re: [Talk-de] Europakarte auf Vista HCX

2011-07-07 Thread fla...@googlemail.com
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Re: [Talk-de] Stammtische im Wiki-Terminkalender reduzieren?

2011-07-07 Thread Andreas Labres
Hallo! Also zu http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Current_Events an sich: Die Liste ist chonologisch und mit den Symbolen schön übersichtlich. Ich finde es gut, dass es /einen/ Ort gibt, wo man /alles/ finden kann. Wenn es einen iCalalendar Export gäbe, dann würde ich mir dort eine regionale

[Talk-de] Erfassen von Wanderwegen

2011-07-07 Thread hike39
Nach einer Streckenwanderung im Raum Bad Kreuznach - Bad Dürkheim bin ich gerade dabei, die dabei entdeckten Wanderwege zu erfassen. Auf eine Anfrage beim Trägerverein Naturpark Soonwald-Nahe e.V. Geschäftsstelle Bad Kreuznach haben wir die Erlaubnis die von Ihnen betreuten Wanderwege in OSM

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-07 Thread Dietmar
Hallo Florian, (an die Anderen: sorry, aber meine direkten Mails an Florian blieben bisher unbeantwortet) bitte gehe mal auf meinen direkten Mailanfragen (von ostr...@diesei.de) an Deine auch hier verwendete Mailadresse ein bzgl. Bereitstellung der bei Dir früher gespeicherten Straßenlisten. Ich

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-07 Thread Manuel Reimer
Florian Lohoff f at zz.de writes: Ist mir auch so gegangen - Mal eine 10 Einwohnerstadt mit einem landuser=residential gemapped. Im nachhinein keine gute Idee :) Vermutlich deshalb unschön, weil du jetzt alles darin in ein Multipolygon packen darfst? Ist immer etwas schwierig, abzuwägen,

[Talk-de] OSM kompatible Navi

2011-07-07 Thread Jacques Nietsch
Das Gerät könnte interessant sein. http://www.pocketnavigation.de/news/view_2792__medion-zeigt-erstes-eigenes-outdoor-navi-auf-der-ifa/1.1.88.html Mal sehen, ob man auch selbst erstellte Karte installieren kann. Jacques ___ Talk-de mailing list

Re: [Talk-de] Erfassen von Wanderwegen

2011-07-07 Thread fly
Am 07.07.2011 11:35, schrieb hike39: Nach einer Streckenwanderung im Raum Bad Kreuznach - Bad Dürkheim bin ich gerade dabei, die dabei entdeckten Wanderwege zu erfassen. Auf eine Anfrage beim Trägerverein Naturpark Soonwald-Nahe e.V. Geschäftsstelle Bad Kreuznach haben wir die Erlaubnis die

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-07 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 12:24:05PM +0200, Dietmar wrote: Hallo Florian, (an die Anderen: sorry, aber meine direkten Mails an Florian blieben bisher unbeantwortet) bitte gehe mal auf meinen direkten Mailanfragen (von ostr...@diesei.de) an Deine auch hier verwendete Mailadresse ein bzgl.

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