Re: [talk-latam] cómo establecer un contact —estable— con YMUP?

with this request. as said, we don't know who's at the leadership. so, no, I don't believe the YouthMappers chapter in Panama responded to either me nor the DWG. best regards, Mario Frasca the complete text of the lock message follows (containing still open questions): Dear Youth Mappers

[talk-latam] cómo establecer un contact —estable— con YMUP?

nos a su alcance, y completarla aprendiendo de ella? además: cuál zona? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:YMUP-2020-11-organized-editing-Chiriqu%C3%AD.jpg cordialmente, Mario Frasca ___ talk-latam mailing list talk-latam@openstreetmap.org https://lis

Re: [talk-latam] Respuesta a [Ticket#2020120710000024]

onible en el wiki OSM?" he visto, por supuesto he notado muy bien que vuestros editores por lo general desaparecen practicamente todos después haber participado a una actividad de mapeo que ustedes organizan "entre amigos", y de que hablan en el blog de YouthMappers.  opinas que

Re: [talk-latam] Fwd: Respuesta a [Ticket#2020120710000024]

There is one point which I do need to clarify, because this is a misrepresentation of the facts and it offends me. Maritza20r writes: Un ejemplo de esto es cuando nuestros estudiantes pidieron su ayuda y apoyo durante la reunión del 17 de septiembre. En lugar de ayudar a proporcionar

Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

My experience is limited to one person in Panamá, who's used two user names: Kielito and Kielito1. He adds shops, one per changeset, he shortens names, and seldom uses capital letters. https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=8527833

[talk-latam] YouthMappers Chapter @ Panamá University

learn how to help this YMUP chapter, as I wrote to members of the YMUP chapter, who never replied. best regards, Mario Frasca. ___ talk-latam mailing list talk-latam@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-latam

Re: [OSM-talk] YouthMappers/HOT (dis)organized editing.

1/Reuni%C3%B3n_2019-03-21 regards, Mario Frasca On 02/12/2020 16:50, john whelan wrote: I would suggest that if someone could identify a list of mapping tasks suitable for beginners that might help this sort of thing happening again. I'd done a fair amount of validation of HOT tasks in the past

Re: [OSM-talk] time to review

Steve --- Steve Friedl // Software guy + Volunteer mapper // Southern California USA st...@unixwiz.net [OSM:SJFriedl] // OpenStreetMap MWG //  Fix ALL the maps! *From:* Mario Frasca *Sent:* Wednesday, December 2, 2020 1:24 PM *To:* Rory Nealon *Cc:* OSM Talk *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] time to

Re: [OSM-talk] time to review

open project 4917, which was left stagnant until I insisted that it be closed. this as far as I understood, but I'm not sure, because I have not yet had the pleasure to hear any details from the involved persons. Mario Frasca ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] time to review

chapter and get an answer for you.  The last I heard was that they had begun to validate the tasks they had created. Cheers, Rory On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 4:53 PM Mario Frasca <mailto:ma...@anche.no>> wrote: Dear Rory, let me insist, I wish to have an estimate of how long we shou

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

e oftc irc server. anyhow, it's several issue shere, only one related to AllTrails, most are about our bad organization. best regards, Mario Frasca On 10/09/2020 09:12, miketho16 at gmail.com (Mike Thompson) wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 2:02 PM Mike Thompson wrote: Has anyone tried

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

s are available.  it's not just 'mappers' which are scarce, it's the whole idea of sharing information which should be worked upon. and who knows the cross-community ability would help. Mario Frasca ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

On 02/05/2020 09:54, Yves wrote: IMHO, a a/b/c/d kind of vote like for the last Article of Association change would be preferable to really have a more representative idea of the contributor feelings. Could the OSMF set up such a process? only related to the voting method, what method is

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

On 28/04/2020 15:01, Kathleen Lu wrote: I know no major open source license that requires attribution *in the UI that the user sees without clicking on anything*. oh, but thinking of code I don't particularly care about the UI. I care about the code, and if I release some code as GPL, you as

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

for what it matters, I completely subscribe Skyler's position. I'm a software engineer, and I produce GPL and AGPL software (not LGPL), but I do not have the power to enforce anything, I just hope that people will be considerate. it's surprising that the lax attitude comes from a committee

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

On 17/04/2020 11:27, Kathleen Lu wrote: The correct attribution legally speaking is just to OpenStreetMap, no © symbol. That's because OSMF is sublicensing any copyright rights and licensing any database rights together under the ODbL,.The © is also leftover from CC-BY-SA days. maybe the ©

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

On 17/04/2020 11:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: you’re Italian, you might be more familiar with diritto d’autore, which is not exactly the same as copyright I was born in Naples, and I have an Italian passport, but I might be more familiar with the Dutch terms.  anyhow, my difficulties are more

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

n rights to the OSMF). somehow I keep finding your parenthesized explanations confusing. if you're right in your out-of-parentheses statement, I would probably reconsider my position as contributor. MF On 17/04/2020 09:36, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Fr., 17. Apr. 2020 um 15:37 Uhr schrieb Mar

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

On 17/04/2020 04:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: What about removing [the trailing "contributors" from the © attribution], so that the required credit becomes "© OpenStreetMap" (it could also be © OpenStreetMapFoundation, but maybe "© OpenStreetMap" would be sufficient, given that OpenStreetMap

Re: [OSM-talk] traceability of edits

according to Apple, in the person of Andrew Wiseman, https://github.com/osmlab/appledata/issues/159 is not an issue and can be closed with no further action on Apple's side. fortunately, there's a couple of persons commenting on it, maybe it helps if it's more? Mario Frasca On 13/03/2020

[OSM-talk] traceability of edits

I've opened this issue, and I'm sharing it here because I think it's an issue for the community. https://github.com/osmlab/appledata/issues/159 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] #AttributionIsNotOptional experiment on OSM France tile servers

On 11/03/2020 09:37, Simon Poole wrote: As I wrote (conveniently ignored in the noise of the vigilante rampage): "The safe, I admit also the less fun, option, is to simply block access after giving any required notice." Hi Simon.  let me provide you my individual reason for ignoring your

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

that would be VERY nice, if you managed to achieve this. On 10/03/2020 06:46, Sören Reinecke via talk wrote: In addition if the mapper works for a company: # e.g. #facebook #amazon #microsoft #apple I've been asking about the '#apple' hashtag, for quite a while, straight from Andrew Wiseman,

[OSM-talk] checking before massive deletion

after all, why should I care? comments will be very welcome, best regards, Mario Frasca ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] #AttributionIsNotOptional experiment on OSM France tile servers

On 08/03/2020 15:15, Pierre Béland via talk wrote: semi transparent the problem here is technical. I'm rewording here something that was said to me here today: I don't think you can reply with a composite object (tile + transparency) to a request for a single image object.  for this, you

Re: [OSM-talk] #AttributionIsNotOptional experiment on OSM France tile servers

On 08/03/2020 04:14, Christian Quest wrote: the most visible one is the moroco yellow page service, generating a little less than a million daily tile requests on our servers. On 08/03/2020 10:42, Mario Frasca wrote: what further steps does your team plan? for example with the above heavy

Re: [OSM-talk] #AttributionIsNotOptional experiment on OSM France tile servers

ao, Mario On 08/03/2020 10:11, Michael Reichert wrote: Hi Mario, Am 08/03/2020 um 16.00 schrieb Mario Frasca: well, it does look slightly invasive … I had imagined something like a transparent text on top of the requested tile.  doing it the way you are doing it, you are removing part of the un

Re: [OSM-talk] #AttributionIsNotOptional experiment on OSM France tile servers

checking for one day of log files now takes around 20 minutes. I'll clean the nginx config file and share it. Le 08/03/2020 à 15:05, Mario Frasca a écrit : On 08/03/2020 05:04, Yves wrote: Ps: would you share your nginx partial redirect, I may consider it for Opensnowmap tiles policy? On 08

Re: [OSM-talk] #AttributionIsNotOptional experiment on OSM France tile servers

On 08/03/2020 05:04, Yves wrote: Ps: would you share your nginx partial redirect, I may consider it for Opensnowmap tiles policy? On 08/03/2020 06:12, Simon Poole wrote: anything that deliberately defaces a web site On 08/03/2020 07:13, Christian Quest wrote: just 1 tile out of 25 very

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

btw: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names#Shared_boundary_features On 29/02/2020 08:03, Jo wrote: '-' might be used in the name itself, ' - ' never will be. I think readability is better with ' - ' than with ' / ', but I guess it's a matter of taste. apparently, of

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/81476133 On 25/02/2020 19:22, Alan Mackie wrote: The labels would probably need to be tied together into a relation to avoid this sorry, I considered as if this was always already the case. Gulf of Venice and Gulf of Trieste are both already relations.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

On 25/02/2020 18:39, Alan Mackie wrote: so long as there won't be an edit war over precedence. Languages separated by "/" or similar. OSM in Morocco uses the `-` (dash) as separator.  (they have two and locally three national languages) I'll try this for the Gulf of Venice and Trieste, and

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

I'm afraid that the conclusion you summarize here is not at all reached. we have reached the conclusion on the pointless point: "we discuss in English". as for the values of the `name` tag: I prefer to see "Adriatic Sea" rather than nothing. I prefer "Mare Adriatico" to "Adriatic Sea". I

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

On 25/02/2020 14:46, stevea wrote: Evidently there is more to say about this my impression at the moment is that we have different expectations from "the" map, that's the tiles at https://c.tile.openstreetmap.org/11/1100/731.png and similar URLs. is their purpose "showcasing the OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

On 25/02/2020 14:22, stevea wrote: as an emerging (emerged?) consensus we seem to be leaving the names of international objects in English I wish to express my disagreement. and I will give more examples, from openstreetmap.org, "the" map. Gulf of Venice; Gulf of Trieste; unlabelled Mare

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

right, looks like we keep focusing on the pointless point. On 25/02/2020 09:36, Tomek wrote: Esperanto is a better choice because it takes much less time to learn it than to learn English. I doubt this.  you don't need Shakespeare or Chaucer for technical English communication.  just use a

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

On 24/02/2020 06:53, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: It is quite reasonable to question the use of English in the `name=` tag for the Baltic Sea. It would be reasonable to stop using the name= tag for oceans, continents and international seas, if we can develop a tag which would specify which of the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

scusami Tomek, ma perché scrivi in polacco quando nessuno ti capisce? vuoi discutere (ti prego, cerca il suo significato etimologico), o vuoi … come si dice educatamente … "annoiare" ?  (in effetti sono tre le parole che mi vengono in mente, e che esprimono con maggior precisione il

Re: [OSM-talk] missing maps? no: missing GPS traces.

On 17/02/2020 12:21, Mario Frasca wrote: […] I'm not just complaining for the sake of it, I'm looking for opportunities. you see, we are in 2020, and people still do not know OSM even exists.  just count them: we have 1.35 billion people walking with a handheld device, most of which

[OSM-talk] Check use of OpenStreetMap logo/name/fame

On 17/02/2020 17:10, Simon Poole wrote: it would be really nice if the community was equally upset about misusing the OpenStreetMap brand and marks by so many other organisations with the goal of  profiting from OSMs popularity oh, this reminds me of something! the community is aware of the

Re: [OSM-talk] For the sake of peace | Re: Cease use of OpenStreetMap/Antifa logo

Hi Rory and Daniel, I don't understand… someone (A) made something (B) that others (GGG) think it's inappropriate, and the authority involved is the OSMF, right? now why do G, G, and G need to convince A that B was wrong after all, and that A needs to remove B? wasn't it the OSMF, the

[OSM-talk] missing maps? no: missing GPS traces.

Hi everyone. mapping Santa Fé, Veraguas, Panamá.  allegedly, a "strategic tourist attraction" for this country, but what's the strategy, I'm at odds understanding that.  anyhow.  I'm trying to convince the municipality to help me helping them, and my plan is to: (step 1) collect traces, (step

Re: [OSM-talk] Cease use of OpenStreetMap/Antifa logo

On 15/02/2020 15:27, Richard wrote: getting better and better: we have now a discussion on the labeling of Antifa, definition of facism, authority of Wikipedia, what next? * less politics is better for OSM * I would not be happy if anyone could mashup his logo with that of OSM Richard

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

Per piacere, non farlo. Non è questa la conclusione della discussione che si è tenuta qui. Sono stati espressi pareri, e la discussione si è esaurita, credo perché troppo distanti le posizioni dei partecipanti. Non, je t'en prie, ne fais pas ça. Ça n'est pas du tout la conclusion de la

Re: [OSM-talk] copying numbering (ref)

On 14/02/2020 16:25, stevea wrote: Or, using unsigned_ref=* is an option. SteveA I like this one, thank you. I just suggested the practice to the people reading the OSM Panama Telegram group. MF ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] copying numbering (ref)

Hi everybody in Panama I've been looking for official sources of information about road numbering, and could only find out that the 'Panamericana' is road #1.  (road signs all over the place tell you this).  for the rest, I've interviewed an employee of the MOP (Ministerio Obras Públicas),

Re: [OSM-talk] Crimea situation - on the ground

I see a linguistic problem … and people. On 07/02/2020 05:27, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: OSM is not mapping world as it should be, it is mapping it as it exists. Russia has successfully invaded Crimea and considers it part of Russia. but there still are Ukrainians living there, I

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated

oops, Aaron, I'm afraid I was not clear in at least one of my statements.  so sorry. On 06/02/2020 15:42, Aaron Young wrote: but also checks with the local community, if there is any, what special agreements rule in the local community.  for Panamá, I would like to have such activities listed

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

Hi Aaron, thank you for your writing! On 05/02/2020 23:50, Aaron Young wrote: in this instance we slipped up and didn’t communicate well enough. We are working to improve that now both in Panama and elsewhere I had a pleasant chat yesterday with Jorge Aguirre, and he insisted in

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

On 05/02/2020 12:15, Dave F via talk wrote: Who & how did you contact them? If a Public forum, could you post a link? if email, could you copy paste exactly the replies to you? not a public forum, I wrote to VigotheCarpatian as an openstreetmap message, here's some of it: myself, on

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

On 05/02/2020 11:53, Andy Townsend wrote: it can sometimes be difficult to decide where one building ends and the next starts sometimes, sometimes it's clear.  sometimes you walk in the area, you see the façade and you wonder how they can know the name of the shop and not have seen it's

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

good day Andy On 05/02/2020 11:53, Andy Townsend wrote: I also don't think that's a typical reaction from paid mappers generally (apart from spammers of course), can you help me understanding the following statement otherwise than "too late"? Hi Mario, thank you for all the information and

Re: [OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

this is what I'm talking about: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Qqh one more things that make this situation even more complicated, is that many of these ways have shop:yes, which sounds like "I'm too lazy to investigate the details, please someone does it for me", which I did in one shopping

[OSM-talk] it's not a fake, but "it's complicated"

shame will do the job. hints? tank you and best regards, Mario Frasca (mariotomo) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] mapping outside Europe

Hi Maarten, Mateusz, Marc, Pierre, everybody: On 08/01/2020 01:32, Maarten Deen wrote: If they don't use the wiki, then who complains about missing local information in the wiki? these are chained questions: who complains? who complains about missing local information (in the wiki)? I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] mapping outside Europe

On 07/01/2020 15:46, Pierre Béland wrote: I am the original author of the Highway Africa Tag wiki page.  This page is now widely used outside of Africa (Asia and Latin-America) in areas where it better correspond to the reality of the roads infrastructure. I see, and I like it.  good job!

Re: [OSM-talk] mapping outside Europe

On 07/01/2020 14:53, Mario Frasca wrote: so you say: just revolutionize the overview for the highway tag, without first reaching a consensus?  or I understood you wrong? or replace the Eurocentric pictures with Panama and Morocco pics? an edit like this will be reverted after 15 minutes! ah

Re: [OSM-talk] mapping outside Europe

On 07/01/2020 14:38, Marc Gemis wrote: Since OSM is a do-ocracy, do not complain, but write the wiki page you want to see that's fine, and I've been doing that for Panama, and for Morocco, but I do not like mapping without having reached a consensus. for that, we need other mappers to

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Tagging the local language

On 07/01/2020 06:53, Martin Constantino–Bodin wrote: Maybe we can sometimes factorise? Like “América del Sur / do Sul” for South America fortunate case: it's América in both languages (Catalan has Amèrica). you can possibly even use América Meridional and cover both in one shot.

[OSM-talk] mapping outside Europe

On 07/01/2020 05:38, Martin Constantino–Bodin wrote: I really don’t think that we want to unconsciously impose such culture in our community. Hi Martin, and thank you for considering the issue constructively. apart from the issue "international objects receive a tag 'name' with an English

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

On 06/01/2020 09:45, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: but it's quite difficult to decide which tag to use in each region what about … as long as we're discussing relations … a relation could have a node with role `label:xx` where the xx is a language code.  it would specify where to put the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

Hi Tomek, and everybody. being this an English list, I'll write in English, I'm tempted to use Spanish, or Italian.  my written Latin is poor. I'm sorry to disappoint you as an Esperanto fan, but I understand Polish better than Esperanto. Should I "vote" on your proposal?  I consider this

[OSM-talk] is OSM a fake map.

Hi.  I'm trying to understand what are you talking about, and I have two options: 1- that there are mistakes in the map.  that's a good thing, that you are able to spot them, because you can correct them.  I suggest you do so, and share the good news when you have something to celebrate! 2- you

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

one voice from the silent mass: I prefer github for such issues. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] Golan Heights

good day list! https://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/cartes/golan our map now only shows the area as if it were part of the State of Israel, which is not, according to international law. who is in charge for such quality checks? ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-co] Mapeo de árboles en Cartagena

Hola Humberto y que bien que se llegue a tanto! en las finalidades tienes: - identificar especies - construir inventario - levantar datos geográficos quieres ayuda para elaborar o revisar las modalidades de trabajo? cordial saludo y felices fiestas navideñas. ciaociao, Mario On 2016-12-27

Re: [OSM-co] SSL para tiles de OpenStreetMap

el error no es en el wildcard, sino en el sinónimo osm-openstreetmap. intenta https://a.tile.openstreetmap.org/5/9/15.png gracias a ustedes con umap.*.co !! On 2016-12-08 07:55, Igor TAmara wrote: > Hola, queremos usar SSL en umap.openstreetmap.co > , para poder

Re: [OSM-co] Problema al actualizar JOSM

seguramente como la sal cuando ya están acabando el flan... mario@rune:~$ which java /usr/bin/java mario@rune:~$ ls -lG /usr/bin/java lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 22 Aug 4 12:46 /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java mario@rune:~$ ls -lG /etc/alternatives/java lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 46 Aug 7 10:20

Re: [OSM-co] Mapeo de árboles

entonces (dado que tienes árboles --puntos de referencia-- ya bien localizados) diría yo que te conviene triangular. On 13/07/16 21:35, Artesano wrote: > Los árboles que ya están mapeados en esa zona han sido georeferenciados > así, con el WP. > > El 13/7/2016 3:32 p. m., "Fredy Rivera"

Re: [OSM-co] Mapeo de árboles

Hola Humberto! y hola todos en la lista On 01/07/16 16:28, hyan...@gmail.com wrote: > vamos a iniciar una actividad exploratoria para crear un inventario de > árboles en un barrio de la ciudad de Cartagena, inventario de árboles, me suena como mira las calles de la ciudad como si fueran parte