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How about a weekend again and rent a cottage in the Isle of Wight?
This time
Hello Andy,
I'm expecting to organise another 6 parties through the rest of this year
so
people's preference for locations please shout up again.
From that list: Poole (as it's localish to me), and ideally over the
summer (ie June/July/Aug) (but not between July 11-26) as that part of the
Tom Hughes wrote:
I normally just use tertiary for roads which are not A/B but are
significant through roads of some sort.
+1
My criterion is normally that a tertiary road is a rural road too busy to
comfortably walk along. Most use of tertiary I've seen corresponds to
this, though there
Hello everyone,
Are all the osmxapi databases down? I get a blank xml document whichever
server I try, both 0.5 and 0.6.
Thanks,
Nick
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I've just got a new Nokia 6220 Classic Mobile Phone. Its got a built
in GPS which means I've been able to get out and get a bit more
mapping done (Since I did not have a GPS this has been difficult)
I have Freemap Mobile in development, which aims to provide Freemap
(countryside orientated
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
I have Freemap Mobile in development ... I also aim
to add full POI support (what's the nearest pub to you? etc) and
in-the-field reporting of path problems, which kind-of works at the
moment
but again needs some work.
It's available at http://www.free-map.org.uk
Nick Whitelegg/FT/Solent
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Re: [OSM-talk] free-map coverage (was Nokia Mobile Phone - GPS)
Sounds useful - but free-map coverage seems to be a bit limited (i.e.
just contours shown most places
Hello everyone,
Immediately after SOTM I plan to take a trip for two weeks or so through
Germany and then down into the Alps. Back in the 1980s I stayed in
Münstertal in the Black Forest, just south of Freiburg. Looking at that
area it's partially mapped but I do know that there were more
Hello everyone,
Google Street View got me thinking that it might be a good idea to explore
the possibility of an open source street view database, which could be
linked in with OSM. The idea would be that people could take panorama
photos of streets in their area and upload them, and so
Risk?!
Misuse how?
Dave
My idea:
highway=cycleway OR (highway=footway,bicycle=permissive) don't care which
(so will be picked up by bike-orientated maps)
*and*
foot=designated
designation=public_footpath
so that foot orientated renderers like Freemap will pick it up as a public
right of
Hello everyone,
I'm planning to do a wholesale conversion of all my surveyed footpaths,
bridleways etc to use the designation (designation=public_footpath,
designation=public_bridleway etc) or designated (foot=designated,
horse=designated) etc, and at the same time convert all my
Hello everyone,
The rendering on the Freemap site (www.free-map.org.uk) which aims to
produce UK countryside maps from OSM data has altered in the light of
recent discussions on footpath tagging.
There are now two layers on the rendering. The lower layer shows dashed
black lines to indicate
I see no reason for paths to be tagged differently just because they are
in an urban or rural setting, but then I find highway=footway intensely
irritating! Why footway exists but a tag for public footpaths doesn't
is frankly beyond me.
It kind of does, the designation tag has been mentioned on
California Assemblyman Joel Anderson, sponsor of a bill that would
require online mapping services using satellite imagery to blur the
details of schools, places of worship, government buildings, and medical
facilities to prevent terrorists from using them for planning purposes.
Well I've
Hello everyone,
A reminder that the South Hampshire mapping party is happening this
weekend (14th/15th), details at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/South_Hampshire_Mapping_Party_09
South Hampshire is currently one of the best-mapped areas outside London
in the UK, and in particular
Hello everyone,
A reminder that the South Hampshire mapping party is happening this
weekend (14th/15th), details at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/South_Hampshire_Mapping_Party_09
South Hampshire is currently one of the best-mapped areas outside London
in the UK, and in particular
Hello everyone,
Have had a think about this, primarily as part of developing new styles
for the shortly to be relaunched Freemap (UK) / OpenFootMap (worldwide,
potentially) OSM site for walkers/hikers/horse riders.
I now think the designation tag is a good thing as it simplifies the
Mapnik
Fwiw - I hold the view that the OS cannot own the status in any way as
it is
the Highway Authority that decides / maintains the status. The only way
the
OS even know about the status is by the Highway Authority telling them
- as
they do (and a few years later the OS *might* amend their
Hello Mike,
(cced to list in case of interest)
Incidentally, the next step that 'my' County Council is planning is to
enhance their public domain interactive mapping system (which
acknowledges
that the *base* mapping is OS) by allowing any member of the public to
click
on the map to report a
Actually that raises another issue (notwithstanding the point below) -
in cases where the legal status is only available on either a copyright
map (either bought or on the wall at the local council) - it's sometimes
not possible to know what the legal status of all traffic on e.g. a
former
Sorry, belated reply to this, didn't realise the thread was about this
topic. I guess I'm the oldest of the OSM countryside mappers, having
been involved in open countryside mapping since Mar 2004 (via my own
Freemap project, now using OSM data) and OSM since a year later, so...
As what might
This then would seem to make foot=yes unavailable as a description of the
physical nature of the way and to duplicate foot=designated. What would
we
then use to describe the physical nature? Similarly if bicycle=yes (even
if
we already have an option of bicycle=designated) means that bicycles
Hello everyone,
Details of the upcoming South Hampshire mapping party on March 14/15 are
now available on the wiki at:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/South_Hampshire_Mapping_Party_09
Aim of the weekend will be to fill in as many street names as possible in
the Portsmouth, Havant and
Hello everyone,
Was there talk of another mapping party this month somewhere in the
southwest on the 24/25th? If it's daytrippable from Southampton I should
be able to make it. Was Yeovil an idea?
BTW also look out for a south Hampshire name collecting party in March,
details to follow.
Nick
Hello everyone,
With an increasing interest in renderers for walking and hiking, and
wanting to keep to the spirit of opencyclemap.org, openpistemap.org and
opensantamap.org, I plan to re-launch Freemap as OpenFootMap, a name which
will also hopefully make the link with OSM much more explicit.
You can't crowdsource a timetable. You can't crowdsource the future
without objective evidence.
You can, however, crowdsource what has happened in the past, and use
it to make list of when the trains usually used to run. But I have
absolutely no interest in an application that says trains usually
I used to catch a train which was exactly 15 minutes late every day
(for a year or more). Writing down when it actually leaves rather
than when the timetable says it should leave, would be quite useful
for someone planning to take that train...
Sounds like the dreaded 17:35 from Bath to
I think that would be an excellent idea, however don't assume transit
authorities will always give you the data because they often won't for
various reasons. There is not however a problem as far as I know in
people collecting their own timetable information from printed
material and entering
however, the recent drop-off in mappers correlates very nicely with
the fall in non-business sunshine hours. and is slightly correlated
with mean daytime temperature (at least in the UK).
If anyone out there who was contributing in the summer and has now
stopped
could share the reasons I might
can i put in a good word for reading? i don't live there any more and
i don't know anyone in LUGs there. but there is a university with a
cybernetics course, so there should be plenty of geeks.
Kevin Warwick roaming the streets with an army of GPS-chip-implanted
cyborgs? Eek!
(yep, I'd
I was also worried about the Council's own database copyright in its
information. For a one off it probably wouldn't matter, but if we then
started doing stuff from Council info, we might be contaminating things.
I've generally tried to use only the evidence on the ground and approved
sources
Actually, the current tagging doesn't seem to have enough granularity
here. The highway=path, highway=footway, foot=yes, horse=designated etc.
tags doesn't seem to include a way of actually saying if a path is a
public right of way or a permissive path.
It does. The yes value for a tag means
The problem here is who says it's a public right of way. If you ask your
local authority they will bring out there plans which give the details
and
reference numbers but these of course exist on OS mapping. Not easy to be
definitive.
I think this has come up before but: does this matter?
Is it
Hello everyone,
I would like to confirm a Hampshire area pub meet for next Thursday (27th)
at the Crown Inn, Highfield, Southampton at 8pm.
Please come along if you have been involved in, or are interested in,
mapping Hampshire. With Hampshire rapidly becoming mapped, the meet will
also be
Hello everyone,
Based on recent activity it looks like Hampshire is beginning to rival
Surrey in terms of completeness. To this end I thought it would be about
time for a Hampshire social/planning meeting.
How does the Crown, Southampton on the evening of Thursday Nov 27th 8pm
sound?
Let me
What would cause these roads not to render?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.9455lon=-87.7344zoom=13layers=0B00FTF
I noticed a similar thing on [EMAIL PROTECTED], for Romsey, Hampshire, UK
yesterday. I added several roads on sunday night, but some of them are not
rendering - despite being
Hello everyone,
Was thinking of a few ideas for an OSM mobile editor which could work as
follows:
* Ability to allow user in the field to add new attributes to a way (e.g.
road name if it's missing, or one way) or correct existing attributes.
* Allow a user to add new POIs.
* Could work by
Hello everyone,
Have added experimental, prototype functionality to Freemap to allow users
to create walking routes by selecting multiple OSM ways.
If you go to
http://www.free-map.org.uk/freemap/index.php?lat=51.05lon=-0.72zoom=14
try clicking on footpaths with CTRL held down, and you'll be
Hello everyone,
Have thought of an approach to make countryside OSM mapping using phones
with inbuilt GPS (N95, etc) easy to the end user.
A user could survey their walk using an N95 or similar, and then, using a
very simple interface, select whether they are on a footpath, bridleway,
This is the sort of map I envision:
http://www.uwsp.edu/cnr/Schmeeckle/Map/images/schmeeckle_map.jpg
As an aside, I like the style of that map for doing walking routes (e.g.
on Freemap) Wonder how easy it would be to generate using GD / PDF
libraries etc?
Nick
Hello everyone,
Sorry about this but looks like I'll have to cancel the Wales weekend. I'm
going on holiday to Spain (Murcia area) in early September and due to
difficulties getting time off work etc, the only time the others can do is
the week of the 6th-13th. I may be able to get up to Wales
Hello everyone,
Whilst out walking/mapping on Monday, I came across this hand-painted map
of a farmer's field:
http://www.nickw.uklinux.net/stuff/28072008028.jpg
As can be seen it shows the course of several footpaths, which unusually
all cross the same field (which isn't that bit).
Of these
Hello everyone,
Sorry about this but looks like I'll have to cancel the Wales weekend. I'm
going on holiday to Spain (Murcia area) in early September and due to
difficulties getting time off work etc, the only time the others can do is
the week of the 6th-13th. I may be able to get up to Wales
I'm no longer in the UK so I won't make it.
I have 3G -- we can Skype you in from wherever you happen to be.
I can forward some people who might not follow this list if you want.
Please do...
Not a Surrey person (but residing in the next door county at least) but I
might be interested
What exactly are we trying to achieve with highway=byway? I can think of
two possible uses but both seem to have unresolved issues.
The first is simply to record that a particular way exists and has
certain access rights. In this instance I don't see highway=byway being
any different to
What is the limit between highway=byway and highway=track ?
Byway is an official byway (a certain class of right of way in the UK),
or, if motorcar=no added, a restricted byway.
A highway=track is any other type of track - you can use the
foot/horse/bicycle tags to describe precisely what sort
Daniel Glassey wrote:
fwiw location-wise I would prefer somewhere more easily and cheaply
accessible by most people that would like to come than I expect GC
would be.
Being a bit of a tree-hugger at heart, I'd prefer somewhere in
mainland Europe easily accessible by train.
cheers
Richard
Hello everyone,
Apologies for this but don't know if I could ask a small favour? Am
intending on being on the train tomorrow, have tried to buy online but my
type of card isn't accepted. Would anyone be able to book for me then I
can pay them back tomorrow? Have already asked Jochen about this
A bit too late and anyway I could only buy a ticket for 6 people in one
go, which I did. The train looked rather empty, though, ie. not many
reservation, so you are probably good buying the ticket on site. If you
are getting a reservation, see here for details where we sit:
OK thanks for that.
Hello everyone,
What's the current thinking in general on what we should do with the
description tag? From what I gather the consensus is generally to avoid
anything which might be seen as an opinion, so far example serves
Dunbridge Ales might be seen as valid whilst serves Dunbridge Ales, and
Hello everyone,
Richard's comments the other day have got me strongly interested in
implementing tightly-bound (to OSM ways) walking routes in Freemap. There
are a couple of UI ways in which this could be implemented:
a) Get the user to click each way in turn on the slippy map. Each way then
a) Get the user to click each way in turn on the slippy map. Each way
then gets highlighted (possible via OpenLayers Vector layer). When
finished, user clicks Done and can add any further comments. This
should be fairly easy to implement - and some of the code (detecting
the closest way to a
Wow, I'm totally jealous of the landscape.
However, I don't think marking these as routes is appropriate. For
cycle routes we have the rough description that Cycle routes are
named or numbered or otherwise signed routes, which may go along roads
or dedicated cycle paths. . I don't see anything
I'm using gmail. The way I read my user agreement google
pretty much has the right to do anything they want with
any information I give them. For that reason I'm careful
not to put anything really important in my emails.
I find that very hard to believe, that a mail service operator would have
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Nick Whitelegg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I guess this comes down as to whether things like walking routes should
be
stored in OSM itself or put in a different project. I guess we don't
want
to overload OSM with walking routes; however Freemap does aim
Something I keep toying with is the idea of facilitating mashups (did
I really just say that?) by giving masher-uppers a way to tie their
routes to OSM IDs.
If you plot a favourite walk on a Google Map, you're effectively just
drawing lines and points on a flat map. There's no tie-up with the
Hello everyone,
Want to book accommodation for the SOTM weekend. (New passport finally
arrived after quite a delay!)
Does anyone have any recommendations? (e.g not too expensive, but
comfortable)
Thanks,
Nick
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Hello everyone,
Sorry - Freemap is temporarily down today.
This is because the latest planet import failed, due to generation of the
planet.osm taking longer than normal, meaning the cron job due to take
place Thursday 3am to generate a UK planet file failed.
Unfortunately I can't access the
i agree with you!
my idea of how this should be rendered is:
grade1: just like highway=service
[...]
It's worth noting that tracktype is not a universally welcome tag - a
lot of people think having an arbitrary scale isn't very OSM-like,
and that it's better to tag specific characteristics.
Hello,
this post is somewhat offtopic but people here could know:
Is there a project with builds a picasaweb like integration of photos
with
GPS
location information and the OpenStreetMap data?
Its something that?s been mentioned a few times. It would be great for
those
that use photos or
The way I look at it, is that you will often find that if two people
survey an area, they will both think different things are more
important, or one will miss something. You can also use it as a way to
check what is already there, as there may be something missing or wrong.
Yes, that was a
SteveC wrote:
I'd like to define some roads that really don't have a name so that
they drop off the noname map.
[..]
Maybe name:__none__. Or something.
Sounds good to me.. +1
What about just name=?
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Would it be better to have something other than yes to mean legally
enshrined access permission to protect against people tagging stuff as
yes without fully understanding what it means (i.e. people not
reading
the wiki)?
I think it would. I suggest access=highway
It would have to be
A path with horse,foot,cycle=yes still isn't a bridleway though
It depends what's meant by yes - does it mean official, legal rights? On
reflection maybe designated is better than yes.
(e.g.
on a bridleway, cycles are permitted but the surface doesn't have to
be suitable for cycling - a
Are there any use-cases for keeping the legal designations of
rights-of-way (aware that this is very UK-specific..)
Since permissive tracks are not legal rights of way, and permission can be
withdrawn at any time, I think we should distinguish between them.
e.g. perhaps someone wants to use
I get this same view. All too often I look at a place and think wow, that
looks complete, but when I drum down into the data a bit it its clear
that
there are general gaps and the density of streets is not what you would
expect. That's why I was testing out a completeness metrics method. But I
I've come across a problematic way near me: It is a reasonably wide
road, but the signs at each end say it is a bridleway.
I would guess this is a service road (i.e. leads to a few private
residences/farms etc) over which runs a bridleway.
If this is the case I would tag as
highway=service;
It's not quite a 1:1 mapping - a UK bridleway also means cycles
permitted by right and a whole host of other stuff, so it's a
valuable piece of information in itself.
By all means tag the individual users (horse=yes, bicycle=yes, etc.),
but I'd consider the official bridleway status a useful,
If I come across a bridleway sign, I'll tag it as highway=bridleway,
assuming that horse=yes is implied. As Andy says, how else would I know
it's a bridleway?
There could be permissive bridleway signs (prevalent in parts of Surrey)
or evidence of horse use through it being a wide sandy track
On Sunday 04 May 2008 22:44, Gervase Markham wrote:
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
My idea is to try and shield the user from the XML file altogether.
Rather than get a user to open an XML file, I'd like users to be able to
simply open an OSM file, download data from the API, or retrieve data
from
Hello everyone,
Slight dilemma with what to do about wide, off road (countryside) tracks
with official cycle access, in the light of the countryside mapping
suggestions I made last week on the wiki. How do cyclists in general tag
these?
highway=track; bicycle=yes|permissive; [surface=gravel]
Hello everyone,
Tried registering for SOTM yesterday and the form indicated I would get a
confirmation email. However I haven't had one - is there a problem with
the site?
Thanks,
Nick
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Would be good to get some sort of consensus on UK countryside mapping,
particularly with respect to the need to show both the official status of
paths and their surface / condition / width. I've started up a wiki page at:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/UK_Countryside_mapping
with one
Hello everyone,
Following a suggestion from 80n last week I'd like to confirm the venue for
the party:
Grills and Greens, 116/118 High Street, Godalming, Surrey meeting from 9.30am
both days next weekend.
Full schedule on the wiki.
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Hello everyone,
Have updated the wiki page on the Southwest Surrey mapping party happening
on April 19/20, including a 'cake' showing the areas to cover and a
provisional schedule. For the moment I have suggested the Caffe Nero in
Godalming as a meeting place, however if I hear of any free
Hello everyone,
Have found evidence that a path I mapped yesterday has cycle rights:
http://www.planning-inspectorate.gov.uk/southdowns/documents/MicrosoftWord1147-13-1.pdf
(see section 6.7.1)
Presumably I could tag this as highway=cycleway without there being a
copyright issue? I would hope
Hello everyone,
(cross posted to talk in case anyone from abroad fancies a holiday over
here)
Following on from last year's successful Lake District mapping week I'd
like to float the idea of a follow up this year - I now have a definite
week in the early summer when I know I'll be free
On Monday 31 Mar 2008 08:49, maning sambale wrote:
I can download without any problems, but can't upload. If the server
is too busy, I will try later when Europe is sleeping ;)
maning
I'm getting the same problem too, again download is ok but not upload.
Nick
Hello everyone,
Have hacked my Freemap code slightly to use [EMAIL PROTECTED] maps and produced
a
simple, demo osmwiki application to allow people to annotate points of
interest and view previous annotations.
It's at
http://www.free-map.org.uk/freemap/osmwiki/
You can click on a POI (e..g
Have added specific info about UK rights of way to the Trail page; I believe
this matches what common practice is. See
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mapping/Features/Trail
Please let me know if there's anything wildly inaccurate there.
Thanks,
Nick
... the existence of a permissive footpath a mere three miles away from
where you've lived for most of the last 18 years!
And that's something I've learnt as someone who's into walking
You won't get that on any non OSM maps
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I tend to keep my GPS unit in my pocket when I encounter people. The
accuracy probably suffers, but at least I don't get the stares :)
To be honest I'd have thought keeping the gps unit out would mean you're
less likely to get harassed - it makes you look like you're kind of doing
something
Hello everyone,
It's been a while since the last Solent area pub meet, so it's about time for
another one :-) I'm fairly free in March so can do more or less anytime but
would like to initially suggest the evening of Tuesday March 11th, 8pm at the
Crown, Highfield, Southampton. Please let me
Hello Listas,
The maps are rendered every week. If you go to www.informationfreeway.org,
which uses the [EMAIL PROTECTED] project, maps are rendered more frequently.
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As of this morning. Sorry for the recent disruption, this was due to one or
two failed updates of the database.
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On Monday 04 Feb 2008 12:37, Nick Whitelegg wrote:
Apologies to the rest of the list, but I can't find any other way to
contact Nick Whitelegg to let him know that free-map.org.uk appears to
be down - I get a
Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at
www.free-map.org.uk
Sounds like you might consider arranging a mapping party. I bet there
would
be plenty of takers for a trip to Cornwall on a warm weekend
Or even Dorset and Somerset (more accessible hence more time for mapping
:-) )
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Anther solution would be on-demand mapping: the renderers, in whatever
falvour, are online somewhere and you go through a dialogue to decide on
an area, choose your features and then get a custom map back a short
while later - either on screen or as a PDF or whatever.
Sounds a good idea. An
There are only a handful of towns left to map in Surrey (Farnham,
Camberley, Caterham, Woking being the main ones) so one subject for
discussion will be how to get the county finished.
Won't be there tomorrow night as it's a bit out of my area - but one point
to remember is that the southwest
Has anyone else had occasion to map things like this, and have you done
anything special? Any other suggestions? I do want them to be rendered
as they are prominent features of the town.
I haven't had occasion to *map* them as such, but I've certainly seen them
(e.g. Lambourn in Berkshire).
I think it's the latter, the same as for cycling routes being the
meta, rather than the physical (cycleway). I've thought about this
before but I never followed it through. I really think that they
cycling stuff works well, and it could easily be replicated into
walking by using the idea of
In many countries footpaths are numbered (but a trip to the local library
is
normally needed in the UK to get hold of them for public footpaths) so I
can
see that following a method similar to the cycle network should work well
but might be a little more difficult to visualise in the UK and
Nick - if you read this could you re-try the script please?
Steve - to confirm, Tom Hughes said it was due to the bzip process taking
longer. I'll re-schedule for on a Thursday morning. I can't ssh into
the dev server at the moment (box in for repairs) so it'll be tomorrow at
the earliest
Hello everyone,
Following a weekend I spent up there with the family just now (too wet,
windy and icy to do high level walks sadly, but I mapped some valley
footpaths meaning the Langdale area is pretty complete now) I'd like to
propose another summer outdoors mapping event, returning to the
Forgot to say - wiki page is at:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Lake_District_II
- sign up if possibly interested.
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Hello everyone,
Following a weekend I spent up there with the family just now (too wet,
windy and icy to do high level walks sadly, but I mapped some valley
footpaths meaning the Langdale area is pretty complete now) I'd like to
propose another summer outdoors mapping event, returning to the
Forgot to say - wiki page is at:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Lake_District_II
- sign up if possibly interested.
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Hello everyone,
Freemap (www.free-map.org.uk) is now using the standard Google tiling system
making it fully compatible with other OSM renderers. It also now has a wider
range of zoom levels - from 0 right down to 17, and starts with a map of the
whole UK making it easier to locate any part
On Saturday 05 Jan 2008 22:59, you wrote:
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
Freemap ... starts with a map of the
whole UK making it easier to locate any part of the country.
As long as you don't want to go further north than Edinburgh?
Tony
OK fixed that - it's striking a balance between covering
Hello everyone,
Freemap (www.free-map.org.uk) is now using the standard Google tiling system
making it fully compatible with other OSM renderers. It also now has a wider
range of zoom levels - from 0 right down to 17, and starts with a map of the
whole UK making it easier to locate any part
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