On 31/03/2011 12:40, Dave F. wrote:
As someone from across the pond, excuse my ignorance, but what are
these for:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=43.1789745390415+-78.7073448300362&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=38.008397,61.787109&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=43.179667,-78.706
On 28/03/2011 15:30, Maurizio Napolitano wrote:
I found today this article
A qualitative enquiry into OpenStreetMap making
Author: Yu-Wei Lina
"*Single Article Purchase:* US$41.00"
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On 07/03/2011 13:31, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
it is an error as soon as not all attributes on the road apply to the
parallel cycleway ...
Any map (in fact any measurement) has errors. Adding extra information
to the map is useful, even if it doesn't add all the information that
everyone co
Even apart from the node cockup, whilst it's possible that the
perpetrator of this changeset has checked that every item changed did in
fact sell processed dead cow, I suspect that that's unlikely. For
example, I note after a quick Google that "McDonalds Carpets & Rugs"
spell their name withou
On 21/02/2011 18:03, Peter Budny wrote:
Okay, even if we accept that -- and many OSM mappers do not,
They've clearly not heard the posh woman inside my satnav then - she has
no problems pronouncing "name" and "ref" information on roads (she can't
pronounce "Huthwaite", but that's another proble
Frank Steggink wrote:
I believe the average community opinion is more like: imports _are_
welcome, but _only_ if there are no better alternatives, and _only_ if
a strict set of guidelines is followed (for example _not_ deleting
better quality user contributed data).
I think that historical me
On 17/02/2011 01:04, Robin Paulson wrote:
On 17 February 2011 12:21, David Murn wrote:
Ive fixed quite a number of spots where keepright has picked up a river
and highway on the same layer (=0), generally without a junction node.
i wonder what would be the consequences of scripting this?
The
On 26/01/2011 15:53, Sami Dalouche wrote:
For instance, the geonames project (http://www.geonames.org/) provides
over 7 million POI, and 2 million of them are cities.
How many of them are vaguely close to the correct location though? I
tried a few local (UK) village names. About half weren't f
On 09/01/2011 20:17, Dave F. wrote:
On 09/01/2011 16:28, Gorm E. Johnsen wrote:
Hi
Today there is >5500 ways with highway=unsurfaced...
Whilst the surface condition should be a sub-tag (surface=*), you
unfortunately don't know what the actual road classification is, so
it's inadvisable to d
On 08/12/2010 21:59, Steve Bennett wrote:
So the question arises: does the community support this view?
Unlike the Life of Brian, here everyone does seem to be an individual -
I suspect that you'll get as many answers as there are mappers.
Speaking entirely personally, I do mostly only map pla
On 22/11/2010 12:20, Steve Bennett wrote:
So...what's the right format? I have a feeling I've been down this
road before and didn't get very far. It really doesn't seem like a
very obscure thing I'm trying to do here. Workarounds?
Steve
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On 08/11/2010 12:27, Donald Campbell II wrote:
What is the process for getting a tag supported in mkgmap?
If you're creating your own maps, then you have complete control over
what gets included or not in the mkgmap map (whether you're using the
newer "style" files or the older "map features" l
Maybe eventually we'll end up with two separate projects - one that
edits the wiki and one that does the mapping (and ignores the wiki)?
Maybe that's happening already?
Cheers,
Andy
:-)
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On 01/11/2010 22:51, Gorm E. Johnsen wrote:
Interesting to see that nobody seems to object strongly to the
(manual) edits I have already done with *ways* tagged with highway=ford.
That's not strictly true; I did object (and you replied) via the OSM
message system when you started updating ford
On 31/10/2010 13:46, Gorm E. Johnsen wrote:
I propose to replace highway=ford with ford=yes (or perhaps
barrier=ford?) on nodes as well, simply to de-clutter the highway tag
and to be more consistent.
Please don't change things unless you've actually been there and
surveyed the item in question
On 21/10/2010 00:51, David Murn wrote:
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 17:35 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Anyone interested in the openstreetmap tile downloader 5.0 ? It is now
available for only 29,95 $
http://www.bestsoftware4download.com/software/k-mapnik-t-free-easy-openstreetmap-downloader-downl
On 19/09/2010 14:37, Nic Roets wrote:
This is because a gate with no access tags
implies that nothing can go through.
It wouldn't to me - no access tags on the gate would imply to me that
nothing had been recorded about whether it was normally open or closed,
or locked so that it couldn't be
On 14/09/2010 12:55, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
It might be nice to tie in this wiki page with the error itself, so
when people are banned, it says "Go to this page for more information"
and they're given useufl information and steps they can take to
prevent it from happening again.
Not seen the me
On 10/09/2010 11:14, Tobias Knerr wrote:
Lulu-Ann wrote:
I would like to add loc_name-tags for this and name ways like "footway from village
A to B, west of footway crossing in MyWoodName"
Yes: Don't use loc_name (or any other key that contains "name") for
this. It's not a name. It's a descri
On 26/08/2010 19:29, John F. Eldredge wrote:
The term "culvert" is also standard usage in American English. "Tunnel" is
generally used to mean an underground passageway large enough for a person to walk through, if not
larger.
As has already been said, it's also widespread in British Englis
On 22/08/2010 21:42, Steve Chilton wrote:
My new week old Garmin etrex Vista HCx is causing me grief.
The power on/off button has decided to not function at all.
Am thinking I will have to go to Garmin to resolve it (it was purchased from
Amazon).
Possibly, but I think that it should be the ret
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.25812&lon=-71.44119&zoom=15&layers=M
Looks like it could do with someone visiting to add some POIs?
(trying to bring this back on topic)
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Ross Scanlon wrote:
Total time 6 minutes
Hundreds of hours, yeah right.
So you've also updated every user of mkgmap who uses a customised style
file too? That should add a few to the "20 or so" (or whatever number
were mentioned before). Each change is of the same order as the one
that
On 21/07/2010 11:48, Andy Allan wrote:
Initially sounds cool, but I have no idea what it actually is, or how
cool it actually is :-) If someone can translate from "Wayfinder talk"
to OSM language (e.g. is it an alternative to nominatim, or geoserver,
or whatnot) then I'd have a better idea about
Steve Bennett wrote:
Whee. Now, please define "microbrewery" and "brewpub".
It's an "if it quacks like a duck" question, isn't it?
Most English* breweries (large and small) have historically had a
"brewery tap" adjacent to the brewery, owned by the brewery which sells
that brewery's b
On 09/07/2010 09:50, David Ellams wrote:
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/07/09/aols-mapquest-looks-to-wikipedia-model-for-mapping/
http://open.mapquest.co.uk/
Woohoo! An OSM map with a scale on it!
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Nic Roets wrote:
> Nathan, the problem is providing good routing instructions to average
> people. If we can't provide that we will loose people to Google Map
> Maker, Waze, Tom Tom etc.
>
>
One advantage that OSM has over the commercial people is that routes get
mapped proportionately to how r
Anthony wrote:
>
> Room to get off the road. That's what I was referring to as a "shoulder".
>
Here in the third world (Derbyshire, England) we call those "hedges".
If I avoided walking along roads without a shoulder or sidewalk of any
sort I wouldn't get very far.
I think that we're hitting c
Gregory wrote:
>
> IkiMaps? Is it like the wikipedia for maps? ;o)
>
For the benefit of non-English speakers, it's perhaps worth mentioning
that "icky" has not entirely positive connotations in UK (and apparently
also US) English:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=icky
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I stumbled across this today:
http://www.ikimap.com/ikimapa/310
The terms of use link points at Google's Map terms of use, but the map
layer underneath looks unlike Google's, yet strangely familiar...
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Frederik Ramm wrote:
> ... Surely you would create a boundary relation that
> *uses* the way representing the river to construct the boundary - rather
> than tracing the boundary line over the river line and having two
> separate ways?
Er, you might - but it doesn't seem to be universal practic
John Smith wrote:
> How many admin boundaries, except country boundaries, can be actually
> verified with a GPS?
>
> Unless the boundary follows a geographical feature, such as a river,
> these boundaries exist only on "paper"
That's a very good point and it leads on to something that I've been
Ian Dees wrote:
> We need to be careful about our words. Tracing data into OSM from any
> source could be a violation of the terms of use of the service, but it
> is definitely not illegal.
Well - there may be some jurisdiction out there dumb enough to make a
violation of some Ts & Cs an inf
Another one to maybe throw into the pot might be Mgmaps
(http://www.mgmaps.com/). That can just about work with downloaded data
(I used Kosmos to generate the tiles) as well as working online if you
want it to (when you're back home).
Depending on the zoom level it can take quite a large amoun
SteveC wrote:
> What are the thing or things you know know that you wish you'd known when you
> started with OpenStreetMap?
>
>
(in addition to lots of the things that other people have said)
1) That not everything that's already mapped is perfect. I started
straightforwardly adding GPS tra
Andy Allan wrote:
> ... But I haven't seen any reference to
> www.openstreetmap.de, where it's strengths are, or what could be
> improved or learned from.
The most interesting bit of www.openstreetmap.de to me is this - "Fehler
in der Karte? Selbst korrigieren (Anleitung) oder hier melden." - r
Works great (once I actually read the whole mail figured out I had to
press "j" not "J")!
One question though - would it be possible, where the duplicate nodes
form part of a duplicate way (with exactly the same tags) to delete the
duplicate way as well?
These changesets show an example of t
Frederik Ramm wrote:
> [lots of helpful information]
Thanks for that - very useful.
> And legal-talk is -> that way.
Well, routing was one of the things mentioned previously...
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Igor Brejc wrote:
> ... I think we are too concentrated on generating
> content (i.e. mapping) as opposed to actually using this data for some
> meaningful purpose. I guess this is natural, since majority of OSM users
> are mostly map data producers, and only the minority is actively
> involved
Margie Roswell wrote:
> can't print from wiki
>
>
This may be a very silly question, but given that that page is tabbed
wouldn't you be better off pasting each tab contents into a new document
and editing out the stuff that's not relevant to a paper copy (links to
other wiki pages, for exampl
Steve Bennett wrote:
> Slightly related note, is it ok to use tags like "landuse=residential"
> at vastly different levels of granularity. Ie, it could be a house, a
> block, or what I've been doing at the moment, whole suburbs.
People certainly do use landuse=residential like this, so I wouldn
Andrew Errington wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I *think* I deleted a road as part of this changeset:
>
> 3172878
>
> Is it possible to revert the changeset? It covers a large area, but it's
> actually only a few nodes far apart from each other.
>
This way perhaps?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/wa
Lesi wrote:
> ... There should be man_made=peak.
There will be if you tag one.
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Ulf Lamping wrote:
> What part of "former cafe" is it that don't you understand?
Well,
amenity=former_cafe
I certainly DO understand. I thought that you were arguing in favour of
the construct further up the thread:
amenity=pub
disused=yes
To my mind a pub that doesn't serve beer some of the
Ulf Lamping wrote:
> A former cafe can be helpful as a landmark as well. Especially when it's
> a free standing building (e.g. in a forest) near a larger city, which is
> not that uncommon in germany.
Whether you think it's still a café (or a pub) or not might depend on
how hungry or thirsty yo
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Surface_Mining
It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as
currently - looking in the UK I can see one "man-made=mineshaft" and no
references to "surf
Jennifer Campbell wrote:
> Just a further heads up that this user appears to have posted to SABRE
> asking for a way to edit OSM privately. Any suggestions I should pass on
> to him? It should keep him from vandalising live data if it was possible.
>
> http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/forum/viewtop
Chris Hill wrote:
> It looks as though farlokko has reverted some (maybe all) back to
> shop=groceries.
Not all (at least not yet):
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/160590737/history
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The downside of J2ME (at least in the UK, where it rains a lot) is that
the phones that it runs on tend not to be waterproof. There are various
cases available, but they're not cheap. Maybe a complementary approach
would be to have something that could work with GPX file from a handheld
GPS (
John Smith wrote:
> Unless you want to go to significant effort thaere is no point stating
> gps over survey. In fact stating GPS could be slightly misleading, you
> have no idea what type of gps was used, any additional techniques to
> improve from the talk-au list:
>
> gps_chip=antaris/sirfstar3
Ed Avis wrote:
> Someoneelse mail.atownsend.org.uk> writes:
>
>>
>> http://maps.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/
>> NottsCC.InteractiveMapping.Web.Internet/
>> ?e=461177&n=360114&mpp=160&layers=SEA.PLA.FP.BR.RB.BOAT
>> /&hLayer=&hField=&hV
Ed Avis wrote:
> In the UK, certainly large-scale Ordnance Survey maps show field boundaries.
I suspect that it depends on region, but in my experience the Ordnance
Survey field boundary data as printed on their Explorer is based on
actual boundaries some considerable time in the past. That doe
Rob wrote:
> Was just looking at the stats report and happened to notice this account
> is editing again after a 15 day quite period.
> Not checked the regions or validity at all yet but given the past
> history I though I would give a heads up.
Thanks for that - it's been mentioned on Talk-GB (
Bob wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> The A57 and A607 edits below are incorrect to the best of my
> knowledge.
Thanks for that. I'll have a go at undoing the A57 changes as time
permits (unless anyone beats me to it). I seem to recall reverting some
A607 changes (as part of reverting the fictitious exte
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
> El Martes, 8 de Septiembre de 2009, John Smith escribió:
>> 2009/9/8 Iván Sánchez Ortega :
>>> It would be very nice to have JOSM add a source tag to the changeset if a
>>> WMS layer has been used during editing, though. Would make my life a lot
>>> easier and not forge
Richard Weait wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> An addition to previous reports here regarding RR8 and liam123. User
> Yasuthan has exhibited similar behaviour:
>
> ...
>
> Thoughts?
Both Yathusan and RR8 seem to have a liking for making roads previously
added as other than secondary into secondary roads,
Thomas Wood wrote:
> Hi list,
> Attention was drawn to the OSM user RR8 last night on IRC. It appears
> that they have been producing /apparently/ deconstructive edits at a
> high frequency since late Saturday evening (server time).
> Edits primarily are the reclassification of highways to a differ
Tobias Knerr wrote:
> How about "offer reliable service with good uptimes"? After the recent
> maintenance weekend it was stated that our services are not really
> intended for the public (at least if they need them and don't just
> experiment with them) and we are only about data. If that's still
Ed Avis wrote:
> I think I'll still use my Garmin GPS for recording tracks, since I presume it
> has better sensitivity than the Blackberry's builtin GPS, but I think you
> could
> use this app to record traces too. I haven't dug around to see if it lets you
> export GPX format.
I can't speak fo
Ed Avis wrote:
> - Cloudmade's blog led me to Nutiteq, ...
According to http://www.mgmaps.com/ Nutiteq's based on MGMaps (which I
used to use on an 8310). I've just successfully reinstalled the
"Blackberry 4.2 or above" version of that on an 8900 - it seems to work
just as well as the old one
It seems to me that the biggest problem is often spotting that vandalism
has taken place soon enough.
Elsewhere people have talked about setting up a "vandalism@" alternative
to the talk list. It would be useful to see recent edits by "known
vandals" (perhaps automatically mailed to the list w
Frederik Ramm wrote:
> ... But I really need people familiar
> with the region who tell me that they are reasonably sure that the edits
> are bogus.
If it helps, I've just looked at a selection of 20 of the 60 ways edited
in changeset 2308178 by RR8. This covers north Nottinghamshire in
Engla
Ondrej Novy wrote:
> 2009/8/26 John Smith Anything tagged source=yahoo* or source=landsat should be treated
> worst than source=survey and people should source the data properly
> otherwise others will assume the data was traced if hi-res imagery
> is available.
>
> are you sure?
Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
> http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org/dumps/ offers downloads of the raw
> data.
Thanks - I'll have a look at that.
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tuff I need to come back to". They don't get
added to the main map, obviously, but you can get an idea by looking at
a recent public trace of mine such as
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/traces/454421 . I tend to
use blue for "stuff to come back to", green for
Shaun McDonald wrote:
> ... Are you
> really trying to force cyclists on to major roads?
As a pedestrian, I can see advantages with this...
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Ed Loach wrote:
> Widespread use might not accurately reflect overall usage. For
> example I've just checked the local area for changes made by Xybot
> using ITO Mapper and it found this one:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/26568786/history
I think that it's worth mentioning that (based
Jack Stringer wrote:
> My rule of thumb would of be label it in english rather that local name.
> But that's because I am english. Using latin would put some people off
> from tagging Zoos.
We'd better think of another name for "zoo" then (and presumably
catching the "bus" to get there is right
James Stewart wrote:
> What do other people use?
...if possible, whatever is used on the ground. Otherwise (where new
waterways have been called e.g. "New River" or "New XXX River"),
whatever seems most appropriate (c/f "if it quacks like a duck, it's a
duck").
In some cases it gets tricky -
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
> I have Freemap Mobile in development ... I also aim
> to add full POI support (what's the nearest pub to you? etc) and
> in-the-field reporting of path problems, which kind-of works at the moment
> but again needs some work.
>
> It's available at http://www.free-map.org.
Ken Guest wrote:
> My own answer was a little less vague ;-)
>
and mine:
My original reason was that there's a footpath bridge between two
villages near me that I could never remember where it was, and that you
can't see until you're on it, and no-one, (including the online mapping
portals an
Richard Mann wrote:
> ... I've come to the view that "cycleway" should be used
> if someone's gone to the trouble to make it good enough to cycle on, and
> nobody's obviously objecting.
I'd agree with that. As a non-cyclist I don't feel somehow
discriminated against because somewhere that I wa
> Anybody to translate it in English as it's on talk@ ?
One of the values specified in addition to "yes" and "no" was
"irritating" - the question was to clarify what that actually meant.
I guess a picture of "irritating" tactile paving would help.
Nicholas Vetrovec wrote:
> While the system is getting upgraded this would be a good time to clean up
> the wiki pages.
...not while the sun's shining!
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From: Frank Sautter
> hallo someoneelse,
>
> i'm the one behind xybot.
>
Thanks - hi.
(re landuse/natural=wood/forest):
> you are right, i will take out those rules where xybot is just guessing
> the optimal values and ask the maintainers of
> http://tools.ge
I see that xybot has woken up again. Would an announcement on this list
really have been too much to ask?
I'm guessing that the rules that it's following are these:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User_FixTypo3Euro:Xybot
If so there are a number of potential problems, especially where t
I couldn't help but smile when I read through your post quickly. I read:
> Can be
> used while driving easily.
and
> cons: crashes.
(!)
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Richard Mann wrote:
> Only the British
> use "bridleway". The Dutch have markedly few footways (which probably
> indicates "cycleway" is being used quite loosely).
My recollection of both urban and rural bits of the Netherlands is that
there actually are fewer footways than cycleways - I've ha
Other stuff that depends on the API seems to be struggling also (e.g.
Potlatch, the data button in the viewer)?
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marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote:
> Lets face it. Everyone else manages this (tomtom, google, garmin, )
I'm not sure that "everyone else" does make too good a job of it. Google
has quite a few village placenames in the wrong place near me
(Derbyshire, UK). The free satnav on my Blackbe
> http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p09_fair_use
I'm guessing that the spelling mistake on the front page ("Devirative
works") is an Easter Egg to stop anyone copying it...
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> This then would seem to make foot=yes unavailable as a description of the
> physical nature of the way and to duplicate foot=designated.
The Key:access wiki uses the word "preferred" when describing
designated. I can see the point with regard to e.g. truck routes, but
less so for English and
If it was necessary to tag what was actually used (rather than legal)
than near me a lot of the footpaths would be
"scruffy_kids_on_motorbikes=yes". Also, at least one railway line would
occasionally be "cows=yes".
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Either my memory is playing up (entirely possible) or the Wiki, although
still confusing*, is actually clearer than it used to be on this. The
tag page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:foot
refers to the
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access
page that you mentioned.
which makes
> ... But, are there any
> elements in their user interface that are nice to have (if they work
> right)?
I didn't get that far, to be honest.
If it helps, the things that I found confusing about Potlatch 6 months
or so ago were the same things that have been discussed here before -
"where's th
I had a look at Google Mapmaker as well (I'd not used it before either).
Frankly, it seems a bit pants:
When trying to use it it asked me to "Please zoom in to browse features
in the current map view" but on the same screen said "We are sorry, but
we don't have maps at this zoom level for thi
> Indeed, but his misunderstanding is even more fundamental than that.
Or just trolling. It wouldn't be the first time on a Register comments
page.
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> >I think mapfeatures is the problem. Not only socially ("this tag must
> >be in mapfeatures") but technically (wikiload). So remove mapfeatures
> >as first step.
>
> Very wrong. It is the only way for a newbie to have the slightest idea
> on how to tag anything.
>
I don't think th
"leisure=sports_centre" perhaps?
It's not exact but it's not a million miles away.
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I don't think that the Pennine Bridleway is complete yet (they haven't
decided where the northern part of the route will go). Where I have
seen it signposted (from Derbyshire up towards Lancs) it seems to go in
the same direction is the Pennine Way but runs on mostly separate
bridleways. Thes
If it would help to tie the Cleveland Way relation together I can offer
a series of 300m-separated waypoints in OSGB format for the section
between Helmsley (actually from the spur at the bottom of White Horse
Bank) and Guisborough. No tracklog though - it is from an old GPS with
no data cable
> I notice that abandoned railways are now being rendered on Mapnik.
This was discussed a bit on talk-gb recently:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2008-December/003369.html
(and related messages)
There are/were quite a few "railway=abandoned" features marked around
the Derby/
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