Re: [OSM-talk] bengali on my JOSM won't work

2009-01-31 Thread Gora Mohanty
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:38:20 +0530 Vikas Yadav vikas.ya...@threebrix.com wrote: Hi, I was trying to add name:bn: কলকাতা to KolKata/Calcutta but JOSM shows me boxes. I install all fonts and my gedit renders correctly and also the browser (the wikipedia page for kolkata where I took the

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Sven Rautenberg
Richard Fairhurst schrieb: Frederik Ramm wrote: the German community takes offence at user:chriscf's deletion of the smoothness voting result from approved features and moving it to rejected features in spite of of there having been a proper vote with an approved outcome. Then the

Re: [OSM-talk] How to integrate a roundabout into a relation

2009-01-31 Thread Marc Schütz
Am Samstag 31 Januar 2009 10:32:04 schrieb Peter Vitt: Hello List, On talk-de we had a discussion about relations, especially routes, and roundabouts the other day. The topic was: How to integrate a roundabout into a relation. For now we have three different approaches: 1) Leave the

Re: [OSM-talk] How to integrate a roundabout into a relation

2009-01-31 Thread Thomas Wood
2009/1/31 Peter Vitt pe...@dotnetphen.com: Hello List, On talk-de we had a discussion about relations, especially routes, and roundabouts the other day. The topic was: How to integrate a roundabout into a relation. For now we have three different approaches: 1) Leave the roundabout

[OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: How to integrate a roundabout into a relation

2009-01-31 Thread Marc Schütz
(Forwarding to list) -- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -- Betreff: Re: [OSM-talk] How to integrate a roundabout into a relation Datum: Samstag 31 Januar 2009 Von: Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk An: Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net Marc Schütz wrote: Am Samstag 31 Januar 2009 10:32:04

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Pieren
Ah, the edit war on the wiki is back. Chris has had the courage of his convictions to stand up against an utterly ridiculous tag, ridiculous tag, I agree. But I see a long list of other ridiculous tags in the db and in the wiki. Do you need examples ? thereby pointing out the flaws in a

Re: [OSM-talk] when do 12 TAH tiles render?

2009-01-31 Thread Vikas Yadav
What I mean is the tiles 6-11 for example (the non-default of TAH client). Those don't get updated on Wednesday or even after 2 weeks of monitoring. On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 00:40 -0500, Russ Nelson wrote: I'm far from being expert, but it sure looks like when my t...@h instance downloads a tile

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Nop
Hi! Richard Fairhurst schrieb: Chris has had the courage of his convictions to stand up against an utterly ridiculous tag, thereby pointing out the flaws in a voting system which a lot of us are silently unhappy with. Good luck to him. Maybe I am misreading your lines, but to me they sound

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
(Nop's e-mail went to me rather than the list but I'm guessing that was a mistake - and he probably expressed the other side best) Nop wrote: I would consider it the basic principle of democracy/a community that things established by vote need to be changed by vote, even if the need for

Re: [OSM-talk] bengali on my JOSM won't work

2009-01-31 Thread vikas yadav
Thanks Gora! Potlatch could be a good alternative to certain POI/faster edits. 2009/1/31 Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:38:20 +0530 Vikas Yadav vikas.ya...@threebrix.com wrote: Hi, I was trying to add name:bn: কলকাতা to KolKata/Calcutta but JOSM shows me boxes.

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Sven Rautenberg
Pieren schrieb: The problem here is that Chriscf just wants to avoid that this tag is used by others and never proposed some alternative solutions. The current voting is 19 yes and 10 no. If Chriscf cannot convince at least another 10 people to oppose this proposal, he must face the fact that

Re: [OSM-talk] bengali on my JOSM won't work

2009-01-31 Thread vikas yadav
No luck! Even potlatch is showing boxes for bengali. Its worse cause even Hindi is boxed. Btw, when I do save the properties the with all those boxes, do box characters go to OSM or the unicode characters of that I actually pasted? 2009/1/31 ビカス ヤダワ (vikas yadav) mevi...@gmail.com Thanks

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Erik Johansson
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: I'm starting to wonder about a Tags I Use system. How should I tag this is one of the most commonly asked questions. The wiki vote system works as a good system for commenting on proposals,you system does not help

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Chris Browet
I think mapfeatures is the problem. Not only socially (this tag must be in mapfeatures) but technically (wikiload). So remove mapfeatures as first step. Very wrong. It is the only way for a newbie to have the slightest idea on how to tag anything. IMHO, the problem is too much democracy. 29

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/1/31 Sven Rautenberg s...@rtbg.de: Pieren schrieb: The problem here is that Chriscf just wants to avoid that this tag is used by others and never proposed some alternative solutions. The current voting is 19 yes and 10 no. If Chriscf cannot convince at least another 10 people to oppose

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Sven Rautenberg
Richard Fairhurst schrieb: With smoothness that's gone out of the window. As far as I'm concerned, with the approval of smoothness=very_horrible (come _on_!), all bets are off. The voting system has just voted itself into irrelevance. I take it that you oppose this tag. Why haven't you

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Andy Deakin
Hi Guys, I would love to start mapping, and have used both both the JOSM editor and Potlatch a small amount, and found the tags the most complicated feature. I can cope with nodes, open closed ways etc no problem, but understanding the difference between all the tags and using the right tags

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Nop
Hi! Richard Fairhurst schrieb: (Nop's e-mail went to me rather than the list but I'm guessing that was a mistake - and he probably expressed the other side best) Well, this is the crux of it. I'm not convinced the form of democracy we have in the tag voting is at all helpful. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Stephen Hope
What I like about the tag voting system is the discussion. The discussion pages around a tag proposal are often quite useful - often more so than the main page on the tag. The number of times a tag proposal has been improved from the original proposal after discussion suggests that any system

[OSM-talk] Abandon voting (was Wiki: chriscf vandalism)

2009-01-31 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Nop wrote: So a good vote needs a better system and considerably more attention. But just because people have not been paying attention when asked to contribute does not give them the right to overrule those who did. A good system for reaching consensus is based on discussion, not mere

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Chris Browet
Features. Also, they'll only do that if they're trying to add something that doesn't seem to be in Potlatch's drop-down lists. Probably very true. That makes the editors holding at least as much power as the wiki features page. ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Richard Fairhurst wrote: The problem is that people vote on tags: - without knowing anything about the subject - without ever having mapped the feature in question - without any intention of ever mapping the feature in question This is my main complaint about the voting system too. But

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Nop wrote: I would consider it the basic principle of democracy/a community that things established by vote need to be changed by vote, even if the need for change is obvious. Democracy usually means that the vote results decide something. (At least in its textbook form it does.) This

Re: [OSM-talk] How to integrate a roundabout into a relation

2009-01-31 Thread Lester Caine
Marc Schütz wrote: Am Samstag 31 Januar 2009 10:32:04 schrieb Peter Vitt: Hello List, On talk-de we had a discussion about relations, especially routes, and roundabouts the other day. The topic was: How to integrate a roundabout into a relation. For now we have three different approaches:

Re: [OSM-talk] How to integrate a roundabout into a relation

2009-01-31 Thread Ben Laenen
On Saturday 31 January 2009, Lester Caine wrote: Marc Schütz wrote: 4) Split the roundabout as needed, tag all parts as junction=roundabout (don't use a roundabout relation), and add only the needed parts into the route. 5) Properly define a relation so that it does not need to know every

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Sebastian Hohmann
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Hi, Nop wrote: I would consider it the basic principle of democracy/a community that things established by vote need to be changed by vote, even if the need for change is obvious. Democracy usually means that the vote results decide something. (At least in its

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: This is my main complaint about the voting system too. But in the specific case of smoothness, it seems to me that there is probably nobody here who can be said to not know anything about the subject Disagree strongly - it depends entirely where you're mapping. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Erik Johansson wrote: How should I tag this is one of the most commonly asked questions. The wiki vote system works as a good system for commenting on proposals,you system does not help this. Sure it does - Talk: pages. Or even a tagging@ list. You don't need a system to have discussion, it

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Sven Rautenberg wrote: I take it that you oppose this tag. Why haven't you said so in the voting section until now? For the same reason that no-one on talk-de ever submits any patches to Potlatch? ( :) too) cheers Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Pieren Pieren wrote: Richard Fairhurst wrote: The problem is that people vote on tags: - without knowing anything about the subject - without ever having mapped the feature in question - without any intention of ever mapping the feature in question Wow, then you are against the principle of

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Erik Johansson
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Erik Johansson wrote: How should I tag this is one of the most commonly asked questions. The wiki vote system works as a good system for commenting on proposals,you system does not help this. Sure it does - Talk:

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging covered reservoirs

2009-01-31 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/1/30 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: LeedsTracker schrieb: Hello all How should covered reservoirs be tagged? I noticed man_made=reservoir_covered is in the JOSM presets and map features, though a page doesn't exist for it. IIRC, the man_made=reservoir_covered was existing

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandon voting (was Wiki: chriscf vandalism)

2009-01-31 Thread Tobias Knerr
Jonathan Bennett schrieb: A good system for reaching consensus is based on discussion, not mere voting. I agree. However, our system _is_ mostly based on discussion. The propsal + RFC process serves this very purpose: Present ideas, discuss them and improve them based on discussion. The vote

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Nop wrote: Well, you are proposing a differnt kind of vote by usage of tags. Not solely. Lemme explain. At present, we have Tagwatch, which just lists usage per tag. I'm suggesting (just as a half-baked idea) that we have a sort of floaty cloud-Tagwatch-on-steroids. So you might have:

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Nop
Hi! Richard Fairhurst schrieb: Sven Rautenberg wrote: I take it that you oppose this tag. Why haven't you said so in the voting section until now? For the same reason that no-one on talk-de ever submits any patches to Potlatch? They don't patch. But they also don't object to other

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Sebastian Hohmann
Nop schrieb: - Newbie is enthusiastic, wants to contribute and studies the Wiki - After a little mapping, he has an idea, finds the proposal system and spends a lot of time working out a nice proposal, discussing and refining it - Then comes the point he finds out that all this work doesn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Russ Nelson
Nop schrieb: - Newbie is enthusiastic, wants to contribute and studies the Wiki - After a little mapping, he has an idea, finds the proposal system and spends a lot of time working out a nice proposal, discussing and refining it - Then comes the point he finds out that all this work

[OSM-talk] GroundTruth anomalies...

2009-01-31 Thread Gary68
hi, please have a look here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:GroundTruth#Problems for some weird results on my etrex legend HCx out of ground truth. Any idea? Thanks Gerhard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Pieren
I would suggest the following changes in the wiki: - replace vote by opinion poll - replace I approve/I oppose by I like it/I don't like it - replace approved feature status by valuable - split the map features page in two parts core map features for well established tags (e.g. used by more thant

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Disagree strongly - it depends entirely where you're mapping. I doubt I've ever come across anywhere where smoothness= might be relevant while mapping Burton-on-Trent (well, maybe one road which the flipping Gas

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Erik Lundin
Richard Fairhurst skrev: The important thing is that there is no prescription. No rejected. No approved. Just easy-to-use documentation of what people are using, why. If you feel a need for a particular tag, start using it, and document it. If the tag is good, it'll catch on. It's much more

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Pieren
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: Pieren wrote: I would suggest the following changes in the wiki: - replace vote by opinion poll This would probably be a step in the right direction. But why have a poll at all, where you count the number of

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 05:45:11PM +, Thomas Wood wrote: 2009/1/31 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: I would suggest the following changes in the wiki: - replace vote by opinion poll - replace I approve/I oppose by I like it/I don't like it - replace approved feature status by valuable -

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Nop
Hi! Russ Nelson schrieb: Is there any voluntary community in which this does not happen? There will always be people who have good ideas who are unable to convince other people of the correctness of their ideas. See, for example, Galileo. The point was that those people are being

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Nop
Hi! Pieren schrieb: I would suggest the following changes in the wiki: - replace vote by opinion poll - replace I approve/I oppose by I like it/I don't like it - replace approved feature status by valuable - split the map features page in two parts core map features for well established

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Nop
Hi! Lars Aronsson schrieb: I would suggest the following changes in the wiki: - replace vote by opinion poll This would probably be a step in the right direction. But why have a poll at all, where you count the number of people/votes? Wouldn't it be better to ask for a number of

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 07:01:17PM +0100, Lars Aronsson wrote: Wouldn't it be better to ask for a number of arguments for or against a proposal? Then people would have to contribute more arguments, instead of more votes. This is ultimately more desirable. Wikipedia has a policy that

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Yann Coupin
Le 31 janv. 09 à 19:23, Pieren a écrit : On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: Pieren wrote: I would suggest the following changes in the wiki: - replace vote by opinion poll This would probably be a step in the right direction. But why have a poll at

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Andy Allan
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: Among the arguments could be: This or that tag is already used in X number of places in OSM. That kind of crazy idea gets you nowhere against the wiki-fiddlers, c.f. previous discussions regarding crossing= Cheers, Andy

[OSM-talk] Key:smoothness

2009-01-31 Thread Sam Vekemans
I think the page needs to be put back to the regular map features standard. English is an odd language. There are many acceptions to the rule. This is one of them. Technically, this tag follows the rule of {{tag|key|value}} where 'excellant', 'good', 'bad', 'horrible'. Are all descriptives of

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:smoothness

2009-01-31 Thread Shaun McDonald
Good means different things to different users. A racing cyclist, touring cyclist, and trail/mtb cyclist will all have difference views. These will be even more different to a wheelchair user, hiker, 4x4 vehicle driver, smart car driver, and a tractor driver. More importantly take any one

Re: [OSM-talk] when do 12 TAH tiles render?

2009-01-31 Thread Matthias Julius
Vikas Yadav vikas.ya...@threebrix.com writes: Just a casual query about what is the schedule to render TAH tiles below z12. I had changed many things in North India maps and those zoom levels still show tiles. They get stitched togetcher from z12 tiles after the rendering of a z12 tiles was

Re: [OSM-talk] when do 12 TAH tiles render?

2009-01-31 Thread Vikas Yadav
On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 22:57 -0500, Matthias Julius wrote: Vikas Yadav vikas.ya...@threebrix.com writes: Just a casual query about what is the schedule to render TAH tiles below z12. I had changed many things in North India maps and those zoom levels still show tiles. They get

[Talk-it] R: R: R: R: R: Stabilimenti balneari

2009-01-31 Thread Fabrizio Carrai
La situazione, come noto, non è chiara [1]. Per ora prefrisco non specificare alcun tag. Grazie a tutti! Fabrizio [1] http://www.ecquologia.it/cms/content/view/1405/28/ -Messaggio originale- Da: talk-it-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-it-boun...@openstreetmap.org]per conto di

[Talk-it] Meeting mappers pugliesi ?

2009-01-31 Thread niubii
Ciao a tutti, a quando un meeting dei mappers pugliesi? Giusto per avere il piacere di conoscere di persona quelle brave persone che mi correggono tutte le strade :- Va bene anche una pizza serale, meglio se allargata alle rispettive famiglie. In attesa di commenti... Ciao /niubii/

Re: [Talk-it] Meeting mappers pugliesi ?

2009-01-31 Thread Francesco de Virgilio
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciao Niubii, mi hai battuto sul tempo, ho avuto la stessa idea. Per quanto mi riguarda, per motivi logistici preferirei organizzarla dopo la fine degli esami all'università, a marzo... ma sostanzialmente qualsiasi data di febbraio per me va benissimo.

Re: [Talk-it] abbiamo il Veneto...

2009-01-31 Thread Alberto Riva
Il problema è che gli shape sono un po' disomogenei a causa delle differenti specifiche assegnate alle ditte appaltatrici per la creazione della CTRN. Di solito i tagli dei vari appalti ricalcano uno o più fogli 1:5. Qualche mese fa, mi son divertito a cercare di creare degli shape monoblocco

[Talk-it] Server di OSM giù e preoccupazioni pe r gli ultimi sviluppi in ambito di licenza

2009-01-31 Thread simone . gadenz
Salve a tutti, ho visto che i server di OSM questo pomeriggio sono stati giù per un po' e a seguito di alcune email che sono passate sulla mailinglist inglese, sopratutto quella concernente aspetti legali, è bastato per rendermi inquieto. Spero che qualcuno abbia seguito questa vicenda meglio di

Re: [Talk-it] Server di OSM giù e preoccupazioni pe r gli ultimi sviluppi in ambito di licenza

2009-01-31 Thread Mario Ferraro
Ciao Simone, purtroppo non posso mitigare molto le tue preoccupazioni per quelle che sono le mie informazioni (che non sono tante, la discussione va avanti da un anno, se ne parlava anche al SOTM08 di Luglio scorso). A quanto ne so la foundation sta facendo le sue decisioni a porte chiuse,

Re: [Talk-it] Server di OSM giù e preoccupazioni per g li ultimi sviluppi in ambito di licenza

2009-01-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
concordo pienamente con Mario, sono ottimista anch'io. Da quanto io ho capito nella ML legal (che ne anch'io ho seguito molto attento), e da qualche rapporto in comunitá penso, che siamo cmq ad un punto critico, ma non si sa ancora nulla. Ne anch' io vorrei accetare una licenza che po essere

Re: [Talk-it] Server di OSM giù e preoccupazioni per gli ultimi sviluppi in ambito di licenza

2009-01-31 Thread Luca Delucchi
Le preoccupazioni ci sono, a me preoccupano soprattutto a causa del silenzio di alcune persone e sulla oscurità sulla licenza; ovviamente non sono intimorito dal fatto perchè alla peggio ci sarà un fork! perciò bisogna fare qualche dump ogni tanto ;-) ciao Luca

[Talk-it] OpenStreetMap Finder

2009-01-31 Thread iiizio
Estensione (ancora sperimentale) per visualizzare un luogo su OSM: basta evidenziare il nome e cliccare su Show on OpenStreetMap. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/janmantkowski/diary/4936 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10531 iiizio

Re: [Talk-it] Server di OSM giù e preoccupazioni per gli ultimi sviluppi in ambito di licenza

2009-01-31 Thread Roberto Navoni
simone.gad...@jrc.it ha scritto: Salve a tutti, ho visto che i server di OSM questo pomeriggio sono stati giù per un po' e a seguito di alcune email che sono passate sulla mailinglist inglese, sopratutto quella concernente aspetti legali, è bastato per rendermi inquieto. Spero che qualcuno

Re: [Talk-it] abbiamo il Veneto...

2009-01-31 Thread Roberto Navoni
Alberto Riva ha scritto: Il problema è che gli shape sono un po' disomogenei a causa delle differenti specifiche assegnate alle ditte appaltatrici per la creazione della CTRN. Di solito i tagli dei vari appalti ricalcano uno o più fogli 1:5. Qualche mese fa, mi son divertito a cercare

[Talk-at] Boundary/admin_level

2009-01-31 Thread Andreas Uller
Die admin_levels, die im Wiki eingetragen wurden [1], wurden zwar vermutlich beim letzten Treffen besprochen, möchte aber dennoch meinen Senf dazu geben: Wie ich bereits auf der zugehörigen Diskussionsseite [2] festgehalten habe, fehlen die Grenzen für politische Exposituren [3] (Bad Aussee und

Re: [talk-ph] OSM Philippines meet-up

2009-01-31 Thread Jim Morgan
Michael Cole wrote, On Thursday, January 29, 2009 03:57 PM: On Thursday 29 January 2009 01:08:55 Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Can we get a head count of who plans to go as well? Looking like Makati ... In terms of venue, I don't really mind as long as there is cold beer. Also generally prefer

[Talk-de] Liebe Renderer,

2009-01-31 Thread Norbert Kück
zumindest in Vorstadtbereichen mit Bahnhöfen, die dem ÖPNV dienen, sind oft Bahnsteige so an das örtliche Wegenetz angebunden, dass sie häufig auch von Nicht-Fahrgästen genutzt werden. Wir haben den Tag railway=platform. Der wird aber bisher nicht ausgewertet/gezeichnet. Daher hängen die zum

Re: [Talk-de] Liebe Renderer,

2009-01-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Norbert Kück wrote: Wir haben den Tag railway=platform. Als Fläche oder als Linie? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] Anwendungsbeispiele

2009-01-31 Thread Marc Schütz
Am Freitag 30 Januar 2009 21:58:48 schrieb Toni Erdmann: Stefan Leupers schrieb: Hallo zusammen! ... Habe gerade zufällig gesehen, dass die Insel Herrenchiemsee in Bayern sowohl auf der ÖPNV-Karte als auch auf der Cyclemap zum Teil überflutet aussieht. :-( ... Soweit ich gesehen

Re: [Talk-de] Liebe Renderer,

2009-01-31 Thread Torsten Breda
2009/1/31 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Hallo, Norbert Kück wrote: Wir haben den Tag railway=platform. Als Fläche oder als Linie? Wenn ich das richtig sehe, wird momentan weder Linie, noch Fläche gerendert. Hier:

Re: [Talk-de] Kurze Brücken

2009-01-31 Thread Stephan Wolff
Bernd Wurst schrieb: Am Samstag, 31. Januar 2009 schrieb Stephan Wolff: Am Ende stellt Osmarender den Bach in gerundeten Schleifen dar und führt ihn komplett an der Minibrücke vorbei. Das kannst du einfach beheben in dem du den Bachlauf an der Stelle genauer einträgst, also zwei nodes

Re: [Talk-de] Kurze Brücken

2009-01-31 Thread Stefan Hirschmann
Stephan Wolff wrote: Moin, immer wenn ich sehr kurze Brücken eingeben muss, ärgere ich mich über das umständliche Verfahren. Als kurze Brücken würde ist solche unter 5 Meter Länge verstehen. Ich gebe solche Brücken überhaupt nicht ein. Bach Layer=-1 und Straße Layer=0 und alles wird korrekt

Re: [Talk-de] Anwendungsbeispiele

2009-01-31 Thread Toni Erdmann
Marc Schütz schrieb: Am Freitag 30 Januar 2009 21:58:48 schrieb Toni Erdmann: Stefan Leupers schrieb: Hallo zusammen! ... Habe gerade zufällig gesehen, dass die Insel Herrenchiemsee in Bayern sowohl auf der ÖPNV-Karte als auch auf der Cyclemap zum Teil überflutet aussieht. :-( ...

Re: [Talk-de] Kurze Brücken

2009-01-31 Thread Marc Schütz
Am Samstag 31 Januar 2009 12:19:40 schrieb Stefan Hirschmann: Stephan Wolff wrote: Moin, immer wenn ich sehr kurze Brücken eingeben muss, ärgere ich mich über das umständliche Verfahren. Als kurze Brücken würde ist solche unter 5 Meter Länge verstehen. Ich gebe solche Brücken

Re: [Talk-de] Kurze Brücken

2009-01-31 Thread Sven Rautenberg
Stefan Hirschmann schrieb: Ich gebe solche Brücken überhaupt nicht ein. Bach Layer=-1 und Straße Layer=0 und alles wird korrekt dargestlelt und sogar der Validator ist zufrieden. An den Bach gehört kein Layer=-1 ran. Grundsätzlich nicht. Weil der Layer dann nämlich gern pauschal an den

Re: [Talk-de] JAMBA verwendet OSM

2009-01-31 Thread Johann H. Addicks
Tobias Wendorff schrieb: Schwupps ... die haben nur die kurze Version online. Kann man jemand vielleicht für Leute ohne Fernseher erklären, was hier das Problem ist? Warum Schamesröte? Haben die RTL-Nachrichten irgendwas schlechtes über OSM berichtet, was nicht direkt abzustreiten ist? Oder

Re: [Talk-de] JAMBA verwendet OSM

2009-01-31 Thread Arne Bischoff
Hallo, Warum Schamesröte? Stimmt. Wenn Die Lizenz es nun mal alles zulässt, dann muss man auch mit unseriösen Nutzern rechnen. Verstehe die Aufregung auch nicht. Vielmehr müssten wir uns überlegen, wie man durch seriöse und leicht bedienbare Anwendungen OSM bekannter macht, damit endlich auch

Re: [Talk-de] smoothness-Tag

2009-01-31 Thread Sebastian Hohmann
Hatto von Hatzfeld schrieb: Schon seit einiger Zeit habe ich einen Tag gesucht, mit dem sich erfassen lässt, ob ein Weg z.B. mit Inline-Skates oder mit einem Rennrad befahren lässt. Vor kurzem bin ich auf den Tag smoothness gestoßen, der mir dafür auch recht geeignet scheint, da er angeben

Re: [Talk-de] Kurze Brücken

2009-01-31 Thread Ulf Lamping
Sven Rautenberg schrieb: Stefan Hirschmann schrieb: Ich gebe solche Brücken überhaupt nicht ein. Bach Layer=-1 und Straße Layer=0 und alles wird korrekt dargestlelt und sogar der Validator ist zufrieden. An den Bach gehört kein Layer=-1 ran. Grundsätzlich nicht. Weil der Layer dann nämlich

Re: [Talk-de] Verkehrsinseln

2009-01-31 Thread Mario Salvini
Ulf Lamping schrieb: Mario Salvini schrieb: Ulf Lamping schrieb: Aber bitte nicht im Nebensatz neue Behauptungen aufstellen: Wenn du 2 Einbahnstraßen draus machts, brauchst du keine turn-restrictions zusätzlich anzulegen. Die ergeben sich automatisch aus den Einbahnstraßen und

Re: [Talk-de] JAMBA verwendet OSM

2009-01-31 Thread Johann H. Addicks
Arne Bischoff schrieb: Warum Schamesröte? Stimmt. Wenn Die Lizenz es nun mal alles zulässt, dann muss man auch mit unseriösen Nutzern rechnen. Ich verstehe immernoch das Problem nicht. Was ist wo unseriös? -jha- ___ Talk-de mailing list

Re: [Talk-de] Verkehrsinseln

2009-01-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 30. Januar 2009 23:15 schrieb Bernd Raichle be...@dante.de: Ein Winkel verbietet nichts, da man ja beim Mappen Flaechen zu Kanten vereinfacht. Und da kann leicht aus einer Kreuzung mit ausreichendem Abbiegeraum im Kantenmodell etwas sehr spitzwinkliges werden. ganz genau, der Winkel

Re: [Talk-de] JAMBA verwendet OSM

2009-01-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Johann H. Addicks wrote: Was ist wo unseriös? Jamba ist ein Unternehmen, das Teenies ihr Taschengeld mit Handyklingeltoenen usw. aus der Tasche zieht und dabei keine Tricks ungenutzt laesst (einmal nicht aufgepasst, schon hast Du ein drei-Monats-Klingelton-Abo gekauft usw.) -

Re: [Talk-de] Verkehrsinseln

2009-01-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
ganz genau, der Winkel ist kein Kriterium, ich kann Dir auch spontan eine Stelle zeigen, wo man überhaupt nur spitzwinklig eine Straße erreichen kann, z.B. hier:

Re: [Talk-de] Verkehrsinseln

2009-01-31 Thread Bernd Wurst
Hallo. Am Samstag, 31. Januar 2009 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: ganz genau, der  Winkel ist kein Kriterium, ich kann Dir auch spontan eine Stelle zeigen, wo man überhaupt nur spitzwinklig eine Straße erreichen kann, z.B. hier: [...] Du kannst hier nur aus der Via Latina (einbahnstr.) in die

Re: [Talk-de] Verkehrsinseln

2009-01-31 Thread Ulf Lamping
Mario Salvini schrieb: Ulf Lamping schrieb: Wenn du hier ein Wendeverbot meinen solltest: Entweder beim Adalbertsteinweg steht das Zeichen Wendevebot[1] oder es steht da nicht. Das sollte das Kriterium sein, ob man eine turn-restriction setzt. Oder meinst du was anderes?!? diese Ampel

Re: [Talk-de] Erfahrungen mit der Wanderkarte

2009-01-31 Thread Markus
Hallo Bernd, Leider gibt es bei den meisten Wegen keinen vor Ort erkennbaren Namen. Und sich deshalb beim Albverein um Infomaterial zu bemühen ist dann doch wirklich Arbeit. :) Für die Wanderwege des Fränkischen Albvereins steht das Verzeichnis der Wanderwege zur Verfügung. Die Inhalte

Re: [Talk-de] Liebe Renderer,

2009-01-31 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Hi ! nachdem vor einigen Tagen Gerrit einen Vorschlag für die Erfassung von Bushaltestellen [1] gemacht hat ist Lübeck von ihm als Testgebiet ausgesucht worden. Danach werden dann auch NODES als Platformen für die Bushaltestelle verwendet ! Sollte somit auch Berücksichtigung finden ! Gruß

[Talk-de] Straße mit unterschiedl. Abschnitts merkmalen zur Relation machen?

2009-01-31 Thread Johannes Haller
Es gibt eine schmale Straße durch den Wald, Name Wartenbergweg, Gesamtlänge ca. 1 km. Der erste Teil ist eine außerörtliche unclassified-Straße mit freier Durchfahrt. Dann kommt ein Abschnitt mit gleicher Breite und gleichem Belag, dort dürfen nur Anlieger durch. Daran schließt sich ein

Re: [Talk-de] Straße mit unterschiedl. Abschnitts merkmalen zur Relation machen?

2009-01-31 Thread Nop
Hi! Johannes Haller schrieb: Macht es Sinn, diese Abschnitte zu einer Relation Wartenbergweg zusammenzufassen? Oder ist so etwas nicht nötig und/oder nicht üblich? Derzeit macht es keinen Unterschied, es wird meines Wissens von jeglicher Software ignoriert. Nachdem es schwer vorherzusagen

[Talk-de] Hausnummern in Straßennamen?

2009-01-31 Thread Rolf Bode-Meyer
Hallo zusammen, gibt es einen Konsenz für oder gegen die Aufnahme von Hausnummern in Straßennamen? An der Straße gibt es ja die öfter Schilder in abgehende Wege wie Beispielstraße 25-31. Anscheinend nehmen manche User die Regel die Namen zu schreiben wie auf den Schildern angegeben wortwörtlich.

Re: [Talk-de] Straße mit unterschiedl. Abschnitts merkmalen zur Relation machen?

2009-01-31 Thread Bernd Wurst
Hallo. Am Samstag, 31. Januar 2009 schrieb Johannes Haller: Es gibt eine schmale Straße durch den Wald, Name Wartenbergweg, Gesamtlänge ca. 1 km. Der erste Teil ist eine außerörtliche unclassified-Straße mit freier Durchfahrt. Dann kommt ein Abschnitt mit gleicher Breite und gleichem Belag,

Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummern in Straßennamen?

2009-01-31 Thread Bernd Wurst
Hallo. Am Samstag, 31. Januar 2009 schrieb Rolf Bode-Meyer: An der Straße gibt es ja die öfter Schilder in abgehende Wege wie Beispielstraße 25-31. Anscheinend nehmen manche User die Regel die Namen zu schreiben wie auf den Schildern angegeben wortwörtlich. Ich find's Blödsinn, lösche aber

Re: [Talk-de] Liebe Renderer,

2009-01-31 Thread André Reichelt
Jan Tappenbeck schrieb: nachdem vor einigen Tagen Gerrit einen Vorschlag für die Erfassung von Bushaltestellen [1] gemacht hat ist Lübeck von ihm als Testgebiet ausgesucht worden. Danach werden dann auch NODES als Platformen für die Bushaltestelle verwendet ! Sollte somit auch

Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummern in Straßennamen?

2009-01-31 Thread Sebastian Hohmann
Rolf Bode-Meyer schrieb: Hallo zusammen, gibt es einen Konsenz für oder gegen die Aufnahme von Hausnummern in Straßennamen? An der Straße gibt es ja die öfter Schilder in abgehende Wege wie Beispielstraße 25-31. Anscheinend nehmen manche User die Regel die Namen zu schreiben wie auf den

Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummern in Straßennamen?

2009-01-31 Thread Tim 'avatar' Bartel
Hi, Am 31. Januar 2009 17:56 schrieb Sebastian Hohmann m...@s-hohmann.de: Rolf Bode-Meyer schrieb: An der Straße gibt es ja die öfter Schilder in abgehende Wege wie Beispielstraße 25-31. Anscheinend nehmen manche User die Regel die Namen zu schreiben wie auf den Schildern angegeben

Re: [Talk-de] Straße mit unterschiedl. Abschnitts merkmalen zur Relation machen?

2009-01-31 Thread Sebastian Hohmann
Nop schrieb: Hi! Johannes Haller schrieb: Macht es Sinn, diese Abschnitte zu einer Relation Wartenbergweg zusammenzufassen? Oder ist so etwas nicht nötig und/oder nicht üblich? Derzeit macht es keinen Unterschied, es wird meines Wissens von jeglicher Software ignoriert. Nachdem es

[Talk-de] GroundTruth Anomalien...

2009-01-31 Thread Gary68
hi, schaut mal hier http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:GroundTruth#Problems für einige eigenartige ergebnisse auf meinem etrex legend HCx. generiert mit groundtruth. jemand eine idee? danke gerhard ___ Talk-de mailing list

Re: [Talk-de] Kurze Brücken

2009-01-31 Thread Angie
Stephan Wolff schrieb: ... Als Vereinfachung könnte man vereinbaren, dass Highway und waterway immer mit einer Brücke kreuzen, wenn nicht highway=ford angegeben ist. Gleiches könnte man für Autobahn und Feldweg/Fussweg/... vereinbaren, müsste aber dann zumindest über ein layer-Tag die Lage

[Talk-de] Proposal (v1) : Haltestellen des öffentlichen Verkehrs

2009-01-31 Thread Gerrit Lammert
Hallo zusammen. Ich hatte ja die letzten Wochen bereits ab und zu etwas dazu geschrieben. Inzwischen habe ich eine ganze Anzahl von Bus-/Tram und Bahn-Strecken eingetragen und dabei (wenn ich damit nicht zuviel bestehendes kaputt mache) ein neues Schema zum Eintragen von Haltestellen verwendet.

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