Hi Frederik,
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 01:56:31AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 09/19/2017 10:03 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
> > I would like to auto-add all the
> > corresponding wikidata based on wikipedia, for all remaining objects,
> > using JOSM's "Fetch Wikidata IDs".
>
> If the Wi
On 20/09/17 08:22, Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
>> If the Wikidata ID can be fetched automatically based on the Wikipedia
>> tag, can we delete the Wikipedia tags from everything that has Wikidata
>> afterwards because it is redundant?
> As a reminder: the OSM search engine relies havily on wikipedia tag
On Wednesday 20 September 2017, Paul Norman wrote:
>
> The survey is available at https://osm-dwg.limequery.org/741554
Looks good.
To get a broad spectrum of opinions i would encourage everyone to
participate - even those who usually just map on their own without much
interaction with the commu
At first it seemed to me a bit radical, but the more I think about it
the more I like the idea. It would give a boost to the Wikidata project.
It would make people to pay more attention to the Wikidata items.
Wikidata items require a lot of work too, - translations of a title, of
a description
In the case of organised mapping such as the Statistics Canada organised
efforts whom would you like to respond?
Remembering that some of the terms used in the survey such as change set
are such that a senior manager wouldn't have the faintest idea of what the
term means and some of the players ma
Also does organised mapping include groups that hold little mapathons?
Example a local mapping group from Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal or Ottawa
decide to say map sidewalks in their city. It's an organised event. Would
they be included as well?
The terms used in this survey seem a little vague and
On Wednesday 20 September 2017, James wrote:
> Also does organised mapping include groups that hold little
> mapathons? Example a local mapping group from Vancouver, Toronto,
> Montreal or Ottawa decide to say map sidewalks in their city. It's an
> organised event. Would they be included as well?
>
Le 20/09/2017 à 13:05, Oleksiy Muzalyev a écrit :
It would give a boost to the Wikidata project.
Am I really reading from an OSM mailing list here?
I can imagine the time when you will not be able to parse an osm extract
offline, without reading data from external databases.
JB.
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Hi,
On 20.09.2017 13:17, James wrote:
> Also does organised mapping include groups that hold little mapathons?
> Example a local mapping group from Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal or
> Ottawa decide to say map sidewalks in their city. It's an organised
> event. Would they be included as well?
>
> Th
It was an example of "organised editing". If a "local group" invites
newbies/other people to edit a specific thing (sidewalks, buildings, roads
etc) does that policy cover them as well or are they counted more as
"normal mapping"? One could argue that: "We define other
organised mapping (or editing
Thank you Frederik for the clearification, so a Stammtisch as you call it
would not be affected by the policy unless there was outside
influence(unexperienced mapper that says map this in osm, example:
political/voting districts(which is why the policy would be there to tell
them that this is not a
Mapperos, as you know, occurred an earthquake magnitude 7.1 in Mexico.
At the request of the presidency of that country and in coordination with
OCHA, the Humanitarian Mapping Unit of Colombia, has requested the
activation of the disasterscharter [0] for that event,
The activation has been accep
You raise an important point.
I've commented before, years back in the mean time, on the push to move
information out of OSM in to a third party product over which have no
control and which, if we are not careful, could impact the value of what
we in OSM are doing and distributing (just see MBs us
On 19 September 2017 at 23:31, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
>> The commonest error I have found is wikidata=Qnnn instead of
>> brand:wikidata=Qnnn for franchises like McDonalds and petrol stations.
>>
> Andy, I agree - there are many ones like that, all around the globe. I know
> that in Israel, @Swift
On 20 September 2017 at 00:56, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> On 09/19/2017 10:03 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
>> I would like to auto-add all the
>> corresponding wikidata based on wikipedia, for all remaining objects,
>> using JOSM's "Fetch Wikidata IDs".
>
> If the Wikidata ID can be fetched automatica
On 20 September 2017 at 12:50, JB wrote:
> Le 20/09/2017 à 13:05, Oleksiy Muzalyev a écrit :
>> It would give a boost to the Wikidata project.
>
> Am I really reading from an OSM mailing list here?
Yes. I read that as "the project at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata " and not "the pr
I apologize for ignorance, but what is MB? I also did not understand -
what is more neutral? Adding the wikidata tag or wikipedia & wikimedia tag?
I noticed during disambiguation error corrections that some of these
errors appear when a Wikipedia article was renamed, but only in the
Wikipedi
Am 20.09.2017 um 15:02 schrieb Oleksiy Muzalyev:
> I apologize for ignorance, but what is MB? I also did not understand
> - what is more neutral? Adding the wikidata tag or wikipedia &
> wikimedia tag?
MB==Mapbox. For now retaining the WP link seems to be in our best
interest as otherwise it req
On Wednesday 20 September 2017, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>
> If the Wikidata ID can be fetched automatically based on the
> Wikipedia tag, can we delete the Wikipedia tags from everything that
> has Wikidata afterwards because it is redundant?
This idea stems from the widespread view that a wikipedia
Hi,
On 20.09.2017 17:02, Christoph Hormann wrote:
> It is best to regard the wikidata and wikipedia tags in OSM as 'related
> features' rather than identical objects. These provide useful sources
> to research additional information (in particular wikipedia articles
> often link to additional
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:02 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote:
> Simple example: The Faroe Islands are both a country:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/52939
>
> and an archipelago:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3067431
>
> in OSM which are represented as separate features obvio
Such an awesome discussion, thanks!
* https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:GoToLinkedPage can already be used
to open a Wikipedia page when you only have a Wikidata ID. It even accepts
a list of wiki sites. For example, this link automatically opens the wiki
page for Q3669 in the first available
On Wednesday 20 September 2017, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>
> Does that mean that the original plan of "fetching" (dare I say
> importing) 200k Wikidata links through automated connections from
> existing Wikipedia links is (a) dangerous because you can easily
> obtain a reference to something totally d
On Wednesday 20 September 2017, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>
> This is most certainly a wrong modeling in Wikidata. While we can
> just have one well-written and comprehensive Wikipedia article about
> the country/archipelago, in Wikidata, one item should correspond to
> one concept.
Maybe - but e
>
> What will inevitably happen if you automatically add wikidata tags is
> that existing errors in either OSM (in form of incorrect wikipedia
> tags) or in wikidata (in form of incorrect connections to wikipedia
> articles) will get duplicated.
>
Christoph, a valid point. Yet the duplicate would
On 20.09.2017 17:02, Christoph Hormann wrote:
> It is best to regard the wikidata and wikipedia tags in OSM as 'related
> features' rather than identical objects.
We shouldn't dilute the definition of the key because some incorrect
links exist in the database. If there's no 1:1 relationship betwe
Tobias, agree 100%, thanks.
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote:
> On 20.09.2017 17:02, Christoph Hormann wrote:
> > It is best to regard the wikidata and wikipedia tags in OSM as 'related
> > features' rather than identical objects.
>
> We shouldn't dilute the definition of the
One other thing: lets not build walls between different projects. I know
its in a human nature to do that, but lets not. In Wikipedia, every
language is also a separate project, and there I also saw a lot of "this is
not how we do things around here".
Each project is ran by people. Most people c
On Wednesday 20 September 2017, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
>
> Christoph, a valid point. Yet the duplicate would allow finding many
> of these errors, rather than leaving wp-only to go bad due to
> changing nature of the WP articles.
Actually no - you can find the errors just as well without adding the
>
> Don't assume such cases are just a freak anomaly - they are not. OSM
> and wikidata are two very different projects which developed in very
> different contexts. Just another example: For most cities and larger
> towns (at least in Germany) there exists an admin_level 6/8 unit with
> the same
Also, there is a general country subdivision project with plenty of
information and current status. I'm pretty sure OSM community has a lot of
good info to share:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Country_subdivision
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Yuri Astrakhan
wrote:
> Don
On Wednesday 20 September 2017, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
>
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Municipalities_of_
>Germany
>
> I think if you suggest it there, they will be happy to add it,
> allowing OSM objects to be properly tagged. Or just contribute there
> :)
But i don't think
2017-09-20 19:07 GMT+02:00 Christoph Hormann :
>
>
> Don't assume such cases are just a freak anomaly - they are not. OSM
> and wikidata are two very different projects which developed in very
> different contexts. Just another example: For most cities and larger
> towns (at least in Germany) th
On 20.09.17 18:35, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
One other thing: lets not build walls between different projects. I
know its in a human nature to do that, but lets not. In Wikipedia,
every language is also a separate project, and there I also saw a lot
of "this is not how we do things around here".
[turning on broken record mode :-)]
On 20.09.2017 17:54, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
>
>
> * Oleksiy, OSM can use any data from Wikidata because of the public
> domain dedication
While the WMF does not claim any rights in wikidata contents, it does
not make any representations (one way or the other) as
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 12:42 AM, Jinal Foflia
wrote:
> I'd suggest WOSM or WD-OSM :)
>
I think the World Organization for the Scouting Movement beat us to WOSM.
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> While the WMF does not claim any rights in wikidata contents, it does not
> make any representations (one way or the other) as to third party rights in
> the data. As an illustration: you could dump all of OSM in to wikidata and
> the WMF would not need to change or do anything.
>
But the same
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> On 20. Sep 2017, at 17:37, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>
> This is most certainly a wrong modeling in Wikidata. While we can just have
> one well-written and comprehensive Wikipedia article about the
> country/archipelago, in Wikidata, one item should correspond to one con
I was at a presentation yesterday evening about accessibility, well it was
free coffee what more can I say?
All Ottawa buses have two spaces for wheelchairs. We map wheelchair
accessible toilets and other things for the map but we currently as far as
I am aware we don't include information on thi
>
> people fixing WD won’t necessarily check if their fixes work well with
> OSM. Maybe we should include versions in our WD tags?
> I’ve seen OSM objects linked from WD, are there people monitoring changes
> to linked objects?
>
Yes, that's what the Wikidata+OSM service is for. It allows community
Would it be possible to add accessibility tags to both the bus stops and the
bus routes? This would inform from where to where there is such accessibility.
Pierre
De : john whelan
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Envoyé le : mercredi 20 Septembre 2017 17h13
Objet : [OSM-talk]
If you look at wheelchair.org then zoom into an Ottawa bus stop it flags to
ask the question is it wheelchair accessible?
Perhaps that is the answer. Tag all the OC transpo bus stops wheelchair
accessible?
Cheerio John
On 20 Sep 2017 5:17 pm, "James" wrote:
> I don't think mapping things that
Bus stops yes wheelchair.org highlights them. Do we map routes? Here in
Ottawa both the numbers and the routes seem to change every three months.
Cheerio John
On 20 Sep 2017 5:40 pm, "Pierre Béland" wrote:
> Would it be possible to add accessibility tags to both the bus stops and
> the bus ro
Am 20.09.2017 um 20:55 schrieb Yuri Astrakhan:
> While the WMF does not claim any rights in wikidata contents, it
> does not make any representations (one way or the other) as to
> third party rights in the data. As an illustration: you could dump
> all of OSM in to wikidata and th
As for the Faroer Islands (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4628) I see
some contradicting information there.The labels refer to an
archipelago, while the "is a" statement refers to an administrative
part of Denmark.
When an item has only 1 "is a" statement, it is not possible to refer
to 2 differen
On 2017-09-20 23:10, john whelan wrote:
I was at a presentation yesterday evening about accessibility, well it
was free coffee what more can I say?
All Ottawa buses have two spaces for wheelchairs. We map wheelchair
accessible toilets and other things for the map but we currently as
far as I am
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