Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-07-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Harald Kleiner wrote: > Do you think, this tunnel is OK the way it is or should someone add a > small piece of way on layer 0 at the eastern end next to the T-junction > to avoid a T-junction of different layers? What is the situation at that T-junction in reality?

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Lester Caine wrote: > more inclusive than is necessary. So from my perspective > they ARE > intentionally going out of their way to invade privacy by > showing views that > are simply not normally visible? If we want to see what is > over a wall we can > now go to googl

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-07-30 Thread Harald Kleiner
Hi! to make my question more precise, please have a look at this tunnel that crosses a railway track (the railway is a subway that runs at ground level): http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=48.1325961&lon=16.3109488&zoom=19&way=29205957 The tunnel tag implies layer=-1 and that leads to a junc

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread Lester Caine
John Smith wrote: > --- On Fri, 31/7/09, Lester Caine wrote: >> But the point I was trying to make was more that of 'We get >> stopped and told >> we have to ask permission' while Goggle stick two fingers >> up and just carry on >> regardless. It is about time there was a level playing >> field,

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Lester Caine wrote: > But the point I was trying to make was more that of 'We get > stopped and told > we have to ask permission' while Goggle stick two fingers > up and just carry on > regardless. It is about time there was a level playing > field, and just because > one

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread Lester Caine
John Smith wrote: > > > --- On Thu, 30/7/09, si...@mungewell.org wrote: > What's wrong with it? Where's the exact line >> dividing looking with naked eye and filming? >>> I think that the difference here is that they make the >> images available >>> for others to view. There can be a

Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken

2009-07-30 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 31 Jul 2009, at 04:41, Karl Newman wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Andrew Ayre wrote: Take a look at this boundary where a forest and national park meet: http://osm.org/go/TwUljNo-- Notice that the boundaries don't line up. This is because the national park is in slightly the

Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken

2009-07-30 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
I don't know what the Osmarender update speed is or how to mark tiles as dirty or find out when they were rendered, so I am unsure if Osmarender tiles can be directly compared. osmarender doesn't work currently for large areas defined by relation boundaries there is a lonly white tile

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Cartinus wrote: > For three reasons: > > 1) In the part of my e-mail you did not quote I just pointed out lots of > people don't read those definitions. The difference between the words > maxheight and maxheight:physical is not explicit enough. > > 2) Because the ol

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Cartinus
And now to the list too: On Friday 31 July 2009 04:42:56 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > maxheight:legal -> a legal restriction of some kind > > -1 > why would you recommend different tags (maxheight:legal and maxheight) > for the same thing in different countries? This seems strange to me. > Just

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-30 Thread David Lynch
Accidentally hit send there... On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 23:12, David Lynch wrote: > To paraphrase a post in one of the US tagging talk pages on the Wiki, > this is what my tags end up being: > > Motorway: More than one grade-separated intersection in a row, high speed, > oncoming traffic separated

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread Simon Wood
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:22:23 -0500 Ian Dees wrote: > > The Canon 30D (for example) is rated for 100,000 shutter cycles. If you > take a shot every 1-10 seconds, you'll be able to go for roughly 6 straight > hours before the shutter will fail. > OK so how nerdy am I, just spent an hour (or so)

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-30 Thread David Lynch
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 08:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> The problem is that there is a continuous hierarchy of roads in terms of >> importance, and when you get huge numbers of roads in the city the jump >> From tertiary to residential/unclassified is too big and people tag >> roads that aren'

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2009/7/31 Cartinus : > >> When using maxheight / maxheight:physical / maxheight:legal the words >> themself >> already tell most of the definition. >> >> maxheight -> for places where the difference is academic / for people who >> don'

Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken

2009-07-30 Thread Karl Newman
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Andrew Ayre wrote: > Take a look at this boundary where a forest and national park meet: > > http://osm.org/go/TwUljNo-- > > Notice that the boundaries don't line up. This is because the national > park is in slightly the wrong place. The national park is this c

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > From: Martin Koppenhoefer > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance > To: "Cartinus" > Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org > Date: Thursday, 30 July, 2009, 10:42 PM > 2009/7/31 Cartinus : > > > When using maxheight / maxh

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/31 Cartinus : > When using maxheight / maxheight:physical / maxheight:legal the words themself > already tell most of the definition. > > maxheight -> for places where the difference is academic / for people who > don't care about the difference +1 > maxheight:physical -> the name says it a

[OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken

2009-07-30 Thread Andrew Ayre
Take a look at this boundary where a forest and national park meet: http://osm.org/go/TwUljNo-- Notice that the boundaries don't line up. This is because the national park is in slightly the wrong place. The national park is this changeset uploaded yesterday: http://www.openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Cartinus
There are lots of mappers that don't read the wiki pages at all and lots of mappers that only give them a cursory glance. So when introducing new tags it should be important that the tag itself is as descriptive as possible. When comparing the words maxheight and clearance, it isn't obvious at a

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > it's a different meaning in urban areas as in rural areas. > Many of > what you tag as primary and secondary in rural areas > (especially low > density ones) has  2 (1+1)  lanes, while in a > metropolitan area will > very often be at least 2+2.

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/31 John Smith : > --- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> - residential roads (just in residential areas, no >> connecting >> function, you will not take this if you don't live in the >> area) >> - unclassified roads (not clear, there are voices that they >> don't >> exist in u

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) wrote: > insurance companie how to deal with it. They both should > give the same > advise to the driver (find a different road if you are too > tall). Exactly, so you only need to place the lower value to discourage stupidity... > And many more,

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:35:15 + (GMT), John Smith wrote: > --- On Thu, 30/7/09, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) > wrote: > >> For countries that have different signs for legal maxheight >> and physical >> maxheight, you can have a section of road preventing tall >> vehicles from >> passing, but the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) wrote: > For countries that have different signs for legal maxheight > and physical > maxheight, you can have a section of road preventing tall > vehicles from > passing, but they can still legally enter the road (and get > stuck?!?). In So wouldn'

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Roy Wallace wrote: > This is difficult to answer. For a way passing under a > bridge, I would > argue the limitation is (semantically) a physical one and > not a legal > one. I assume it would be legal in many countries and would use it as such to recover money to fix br

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:04 AM, John Smith wrote: > How much does the physical height exceed the legal height in most cases? This is difficult to answer. For a way passing under a bridge, I would argue the limitation is (semantically) a physical one and not a legal one. > If maxheight already i

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, OJ W wrote: > I put a wrapper around the rather > excellent > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Server_Side_Script > which can > tell you which town/county/state/country something is in: I haven't looked at the script but it doesn't cope well with US locations at al

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:04:37 + (GMT), John Smith wrote: > --- On Thu, 30/7/09, Roy Wallace wrote: > >> different". This, I would argue, is a reason to allow for >> the > > How much does the physical height exceed the legal height in most cases? > >> possibility to differentiate between max

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Maritime borders

2009-07-30 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
Ok, I am revisiting this. Both me and Gustav F (original writes of the proposal) was not satisfied with the outcome of the last vote (about 50/50), so I have rewritten the proposal based on many of the comments from the rejecting votes. There was mainly two issues of the rejecting votes: 1) T

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Roy Wallace wrote: > different". This, I would argue, is a reason to allow for > the How much does the physical height exceed the legal height in most cases? > possibility to differentiate between maxheight:physical > and > maxheight:legal. If maxheight already implies t

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:45:50 +1000, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Aun Johnsen (via > Webmail) wrote: >>> I agree. So, how about maxheight:physical, maxheight:legal, and leave >>> room for others if there is a demonstrable need in future? > .. >> If this is your suggestion

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > - residential roads (just in residential areas, no > connecting > function, you will not take this if you don't live in the > area) > - unclassified roads (not clear, there are voices that they > don't > exist in urban areas, I personally use t

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:24 AM, John Smith wrote: > Is there really such an overwhelming need to mark the physical difference to > the legal difference? Whether there is an "overwhelming" need is not the question. The question is whether allowing for the annotation of two kinds of maxheight is

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-30 Thread Matthias Versen
Hello ! > Cool. Any idea why it's failing for cities in Iran [1]? Missing country > polygon? > > Claudius > > [1] http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=36.303&lon=59.606 This excellent tool seems to use the admin-boundary relations. The output for my example ( http://dev.openstreet

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
> You split based on the equal sign and it doesn't matter > that the time condition or key uses colons. Actually you don't have to, key values and key tags are stored independently of each other, writing it with an equal sign is simply a way of describing it and has nothing to do with how thin

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) wrote: >> I agree. So, how about maxheight:physical, maxheight:legal, and leave >> room for others if there is a demonstrable need in future? ... > If this is your suggestion to solve this, than I suggest you do something > about it and ge

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Tobias Knerr wrote: > It's basically there to decide whether to use colons as in > your example > or switch to something like > maxspeed[wet][forward][motorcycle]. Why? > Well, because those time conditions tend to have colons in You split based on the equal sign and it d

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, si...@mungewell.org wrote: > >> What's wrong with it?  Where's the exact line > dividing looking with > >> naked eye and filming? > > > > I think that the difference here is that they make the > images available > > for others to view. There can be a great difference > bet

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Ian Dees wrote: > That's why Google uses high-res digital video cameras running on Firewire on > their rigs. I was more expecting the Elphel board design ;) Using 20MP kodak's CCDs like they use in their book digitizing stuff. Stefan __

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) wrote: > If this is your suggestion to solve this, than I suggest > you do something > about it and get that information on the maxheight > documentation. I am not > sure how you intend this to be done. When you have a > process going, point > me th

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread Ian Dees
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:51 PM, wrote: > A Canon EOS Rebel, a few mirrors and some glue... might be an interesting > experiment. > The Canon 30D (for example) is rated for 100,000 shutter cycles. If you take a shot every 1-10 seconds, you'll be able to go for roughly 6 straight hours before th

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:25:17 +1000, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:41 PM, John Smith wrote: >> Either way, expanding the existing tag makes more sense than creating 2 >> differently named tags which will cause even more confusion and >> duplication. > > I agree. So, how about maxh

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:41 PM, John Smith wrote: > Either way, expanding the existing tag makes more sense than creating 2 > differently named tags which will cause even more confusion and duplication. I agree. So, how about maxheight:physical, maxheight:legal, and leave room for others if ther

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Gervase Markham wrote: > The maxheight for a feature such as a bridge is the maximum height of an > object of the standard type that will fit under it. No, the maxheight for a way refers to the maximum height *above* it (not under it). ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about gps coordinates 001W0547 convert to -1.0547

2009-07-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi Marc Coevoet wrote: > 004E4800,47N2000 > 002W2300,57N > 001W0547,51N4823 > 013E2600,47N3400 > 013E2600,47N3400 > 013E2600,47N3400 > 013E2600,47N3400 > 013E2500,47N3343 > > to something where 001W0547 becomes -1.0547 That can actually be done with sed on the Unix command line: % sed -e "

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread simon
> >> As an idea for 'openstreetviewbike' you could use a single camera >> pointing >> straight up with a rotating mirror above it in order to capture in all >> directions at once. A colleague suggested using a hi-res camera shooting upwards onto a fixed multi-angle mirror. How much resolution do

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread simon
I meant to send this to the list... > >> What's wrong with it? Where's the exact line dividing looking with >> naked eye and filming? > > I think that the difference here is that they make the images available > for others to view. There can be a great difference between taking a > picture of a d

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread simon
I meant to send this to the list > As an idea for 'openstreetviewbike' you could use a single camera pointing > straight up with a rotating mirror above it in order to capture in all > directions at once. > > The velocity of the bike would probably be OK to still capture pictures > with close enou

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, andrzej zaborowski wrote: > The idea of google streetview infringing anybody's privacy is so misled. I'm sure there is lots of intelligent argument on both sides of the fence and I have no desire of going into the details here. But on a more general note - I think that someone's privacy is

Re: [OSM-talk] Search field on www.openstreetmap.org

2009-07-30 Thread Ulf Lamping
Tom Hughes schrieb: > The whole home page needs a redesign, and I don't really want to start > fiddling with little things like this when we should be doing the job > properly. > > There are also issues with search at the moment which mean we don't > actually want to make it too prominent. > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/7/30 Lester Caine : > Simply filming and saying 'we will remove pictures if you want' is just > arrogance that should not be condoned. What's wrong with it? Where's the exact line dividing looking with naked eye and filming? Since a camera is a set of light sensors and lenses, if I'm using

Re: [OSM-talk] Reverting Node Move

2009-07-30 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
as far as I understand the db this is correct. the way uses the same nodes. no need to increase the version the way doesn't have any additional location info On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Andrew Ayre wrote: > Hi, > > I select a way with approx 2,000 nodes and move it in JOSM. I then > commit

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread Lester Caine
Yann Coupin wrote: > The problem is that your reasoning doesn't take bus/coach/hgv into > account. You're probably going to be as high in each of those vehicules > as Google's cams are... Not on many of the private roads that are now being photographed but from which large vehicles are banned -

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread OJ W
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Lester Caine wrote: > OJ W wrote: >> Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above the traffic? > > THAT I think is the big mistake that Google made. Pushing the camera head up > so that it looks OVER security walls and hedges is what annoys people

Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-30 Thread Claudius
Am 30.07.2009 20:59, OJ W: > I put a wrapper around the rather excellent > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Server_Side_Script which can > tell you which town/county/state/country something is in: > > http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=51.51&lon=-0.05 > > - which replies tha

[OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)

2009-07-30 Thread OJ W
I put a wrapper around the rather excellent http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Server_Side_Script which can tell you which town/county/state/country something is in: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=51.51&lon=-0.05 - which replies that the specified numbers are in Tower Ham

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about gps coordinates 001W0547 convert to -1.0547

2009-07-30 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El día Wednesday 29 July 2009 18:39:29, Marc Coevoet dijo: > I want to convert to something where 001W0547 becomes -1.0547 Have a look at cs2cs, part of the proj.4 suite. It excels at conversions of decimal/sexagesimal/whatever geographical coordinates. If cs2cs doesn't do the job, you'll have

[OSM-talk] Reverting Node Move

2009-07-30 Thread Andrew Ayre
Hi, I select a way with approx 2,000 nodes and move it in JOSM. I then commit the change. This creates v2 of the nodes but the way is still v1. How do I revert this changeset? It seems Potlatch can only revert ways? thanks, Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Search field on www.openstreetmap.org

2009-07-30 Thread Andy Allan
See the following: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Name_finder http://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/sites/namefinder Cheers, Andy On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Yann Coupin wrote: > Just out of curiosity, is the indexing/search code available > somewhere? I'm intrigued by geosearch...

Re: [OSM-talk] Search field on www.openstreetmap.org

2009-07-30 Thread Yann Coupin
Just out of curiosity, is the indexing/search code available somewhere? I'm intrigued by geosearch... Yann Le 30 juil. 09 à 17:01, David Earl a écrit : > Andy Allan wrote: >> It's worth pointing out that there are developers who are working on >> improving the search (primarily David Earl), so

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Maarten Deen
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > And obviously you're also not travelling to Poland, otherwise you > would have seen this sign: > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Speedlimitsinpoland.png/424px-Speedlimitsinpoland.png Nope, I haven't. And if I was driving past it I wouldn't kno

Re: [OSM-talk] Search field on www.openstreetmap.org

2009-07-30 Thread David Earl
Andy Allan wrote: > It's worth pointing out that there are developers who are working on > improving the search (primarily David Earl), so it's a known issue > that's being worked on rather than something that's being ignored. Indeed. I am currently reloading the index from the planet file. The i

Re: [OSM-talk] Search field on www.openstreetmap.org

2009-07-30 Thread Jonas Krückel
Tom Hughes schrieb: > On 30/07/09 15:01, lulu-...@gmx.de wrote: > > >> on the SotM09 there was agreement that the search field should be visible at >> the upper left of the screen in all screen resolutions on >> http://www.openstreetmap.org . >> > > Funny, I obviously missed that. > +1

Re: [OSM-talk] Search field on www.openstreetmap.org

2009-07-30 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: > There are also issues with search at the moment which mean we don't > actually want to make it too prominent. It's worth pointing out that there are developers who are working on improving the search (primarily David Earl), so it's a known issu

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 Maarten Deen : > Lennard wrote: > >> Exactly, it's a moot point, and I included it mostly to make the point >> that there are so many subtle ways to handle maxspeed, that it would be >> difficult to make an all-encompassing tagging scheme. At some point, >> you'll just have to go with a g

Re: [OSM-talk] Search field on www.openstreetmap.org

2009-07-30 Thread Tom Hughes
On 30/07/09 15:01, lulu-...@gmx.de wrote: > on the SotM09 there was agreement that the search field should be visible at > the upper left of the screen in all screen resolutions on > http://www.openstreetmap.org . Funny, I obviously missed that. > This is not realized yet. > Who can do it, ple

Re: [OSM-talk] Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:01:09AM +0200, Pieren wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > I started tagging the sign when i started with maxspeed as it > > sometimes help the orientation in the data when adding maxspeed. > > Could you explain what you mean by "help th

[OSM-talk] Search field on www.openstreetmap.org

2009-07-30 Thread Lulu-Ann
Hi there, on the SotM09 there was agreement that the search field should be visible at the upper left of the screen in all screen resolutions on http://www.openstreetmap.org . This is not realized yet. Who can do it, please? Thanks Lulu-Ann -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 Greg Troxel : >> this is working well for out-of-town situations. Inside urban > good point; that's what I am used to thinking about. > >> agglomerations there should be different criteria though (and not >> necessarily they are physical, what is my point: let's put the >> definition acco

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-30 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer writes: >>     secondary is typically used for travel at least 25km (between >>     multiple towns) >>     tertiary is used to get to secondary roads (to get to the 'real >>     road' in the next town) > > this is working well for out-of-town situations. Inside urban good po

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Tobias Knerr
Florian Lohoff wrote: > maxspeed:wet:forward:motorcycle=50 > > Afterwards add time based maxspeeds :) > > I think we'd need a generic way to tag conditional ... Have you already participated in the syntax poll for http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extended_conditions_for_acces

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Lennard wrote: > In that case, your 100/100/40 example is easily collapsed > into maxspeed=100. > > Let's see ... Hey, that's the current tagging scheme, > already! Why did we > need a change? :-) Current GPSr's are only capable of knowing within 10m, most lanes are 2-3m, s

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Lennard
> Lennard wrote: > The general solution is "maxspeed is the highest of the maxspeeds of all > classes of vehicle on that road". > See also the signs we have in continental europe when you enter a country: > there is usually a large sign specifying the maximum speeds on different > roads > (within t

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Peter Childs
2009/7/30 Gervase Markham : > On 30/07/09 09:26, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) wrote: >> much more. Since many countries have two different signs for max legal >> height and max physical height, and its usages can be very different, why >> not allow this in tags? > > Can you provide sample images for s

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Maarten Deen
Lennard wrote: > Exactly, it's a moot point, and I included it mostly to make the point > that there are so many subtle ways to handle maxspeed, that it would be > difficult to make an all-encompassing tagging scheme. At some point, > you'll just have to go with a generalized solution. The genera

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Maarten Deen
marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:41:07 +0200, "Maarten Deen" wrote: >> Florian Lohoff wrote: >> Not only in a corner. In Germany the A3, going down the Elzer Berg (near >> Limburg an der Lahn in the eastward direction) has a speedlimit of 40 > km/h >> on >> the right

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Lennard
> 2009/7/30 John Smith : >> bikes have the same speed limits here as every other thing on wheels, >> and even horses for that matter, and you can get tickets like all the >> other wheeled vehicles and even get done for drink driving on horses and >> ride on lawn mowers. That's exactly why I talked

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) wrote: > will continue on my proposal. Without any clearification on > the existing > tag, than it will be more confusing than adding new tags. I > have atleast > stated in the definition of the tag how it is to be used. No, 2 completely differen

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 John Smith : > --- On Thu, 30/7/09, Lennard wrote: >> And in my own jurisdiction: to be able to set maxspeed=none >> for bicycles >> when there is no explicit maxspeed sign. :D > > bikes have the same speed limits here as every other thing on wheels, and > even horses for that matter, a

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:41:11 + (GMT), John Smith wrote: > --- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> actually even though the definition in the wiki might not >> specify it >> unambigously and explicitly the current use of maxheight > > These things should be explicitly stated, ot

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > actually even though the definition in the wiki might not > specify it > unambigously and explicitly the current use of maxheight These things should be explicitly stated, otherwise people interpret it differently :) > (as discussed > intens

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Lennard wrote: > And in my own jurisdiction: to be able to set maxspeed=none > for bicycles > when there is no explicit maxspeed sign. :D bikes have the same speed limits here as every other thing on wheels, and even horses for that matter, and you can get tickets like a

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 "Marc Schütz" : > > Maybe not in all cases, but have a look at this example: > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=de&geocode=&q=bayreuth&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=59.467068,107.138672&ie=UTF8&ll=49.935936,11.646567&spn=0.000375,0.000817&t=k&z=21 > > It'd be hard to argue that

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 John Smith : > So why not just use maxheight=* and maxheight:legal=* ? actually even though the definition in the wiki might not specify it unambigously and explicitly the current use of maxheight (as discussed intensively at least on German ML) should be maxheight:legal, so I would enco

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Lennard
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Florian Lohoff wrote: >> > In that one case it's okay. >> > Reason: >> > * There can only be ONE maxspeed on a road. ever! >> >> Please add "per direction on a road". > > "at a given time." > (we have reduced maxspeed in front of schools depending on time, day and > whether i

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 John Smith : > > > > --- On Thu, 30/7/09, Liz wrote: > >> "at a given time." >> (we have reduced maxspeed in front of schools depending on >> time, day and >> whether it is term time) > > There are other roads that have variable limit speed signs and they can > change at any time. > > T

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Liz wrote: > "at a given time." > (we have reduced maxspeed in front of schools depending on > time, day and > whether it is term time) There are other roads that have variable limit speed signs and they can change at any time. There is also changes in speed limits dur

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea t raffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:41:07 +0200, "Maarten Deen" wrote: > Florian Lohoff wrote: > Not only in a corner. In Germany the A3, going down the Elzer Berg (near > Limburg an der Lahn in the eastward direction) has a speedlimit of 40 km/h > on > the right lane and 100 km/h (or 120? haven't been there i

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) wrote: > > You also mentioned sailboats under bridges, are you > planning to update > the > > clearance 24 hours a day, 7 days a week as the tide > goes in and out? > You are clearly not familiar with the term "free sailing > height" which > refer

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:17:02 +0100, Gervase Markham wrote: > On 30/07/09 09:26, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) wrote: >> much more. Since many countries have two different signs for max legal >> height and max physical height, and its usages can be very different, why >> not allow this in tags? > > Ca

Re: [OSM-talk] maxspeed tagging Was: Best-practice-idea traffic_sign

2009-07-30 Thread Liz
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > In that one case it's okay. > > Reason: > > * There can only be ONE maxspeed on a road. ever! > > Please add "per direction on a road". "at a given time." (we have reduced maxspeed in front of schools depending on time, day and whether it is term tim

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread Lester Caine
OJ W wrote: > Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above the traffic? THAT I think is the big mistake that Google made. Pushing the camera head up so that it looks OVER security walls and hedges is what annoys people the most. If a person has to use a ladder to obtain a pictur

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:43:22 + (GMT), John Smith wrote: > --- On Thu, 30/7/09, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) > wrote: > >> much more. Since many countries have two different signs >> for max legal >> height and max physical height, and its usages can be very >> different, why >> not allow this i

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
John Smith wrote: >Sent: 30 July 2009 10:42 AM >To: OJ W; m...@koppenhoefer.com >Cc: OSM Talk >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes > > > > >--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> > Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras >> up above the traffic? >> >> I

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread John Smith
--- On Thu, 30/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras > up above the traffic? > > I guess they are recording in higher resolutions. The > problem with I don't know what res street view in general is but you can't read most signs. Some of th

Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 OJ W : > their kit looks quite bulky.  I've got just one videocamera (and no > LIDAR) fitted, and it all mounts on handlebars with room to spare for > other stuff. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Georeference_video > > Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above t

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-07-30 Thread Marc Schütz
> >> this might be a logical topic: we are mapping the center of the road. > >> The tunnel can not end at the center of the crossing road, because > >> this road itself is not a tunnel. (you will have at least half the > >> width of the crossing road untunneled). > > > > No, IMO we're mapping the e

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Clearance

2009-07-30 Thread Gervase Markham
On 30/07/09 09:26, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) wrote: > much more. Since many countries have two different signs for max legal > height and max physical height, and its usages can be very different, why > not allow this in tags? Can you provide sample images for such signs? I confess I find it hard

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/30 "Marc Schütz" : >> this might be a logical topic: we are mapping the center of the road. >> The tunnel can not end at the center of the crossing road, because >> this road itself is not a tunnel. (you will have at least half the >> width of the crossing road untunneled). > > No, IMO we're

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-07-30 Thread Marc Schütz
> > I want to talk about this page on the wiki describing how to map tunnels > > correctly: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tunnel#How_to_Map > > > > Especially the last paragraph causes headaches to me: > > "If the tunnel ends in a junction you'll need a small un-tunneled way > > between th

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