Re: [OSM-talk] Geofabrik Download Server Update

2011-05-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/20/11 14:09, Dirk-Lüder Kreie wrote: You write there that the cutting is done sequentially from large to small. Seeing as how the polygon complexity is one major factor in the cutting process, wouldn't it make sense to use more smaller, more precise polygons to cut out the small stuff

Re: [OSM-talk] Geofabrik Download Server Update

2011-05-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, "by popular demand" ;) http://download.geofabrik.de/clipbounds/ Please make sure to read the README file there. Regarding boundaries, I prefer geographical over political grouping. The Azores are part of the Europe extract but they are not part of the Portugal extract; likewise, Briti

Re: [OSM-talk] Geofabrik Download Server Update

2011-05-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/19/2011 06:44 AM, Hermann Peifer wrote: Are the boundary polygons that you use for clipping available somewhere? I do vaguely remember that I have seen them earlier, but I can't find them anymore. No, they aren't publicly available but I send them to people on request. There's reall

Re: [OSM-talk] Leaflet - a new open source JavaScript library for maps by CloudMade

2011-05-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
er off with Leaflet but if you want ... you'll be probably bet better of with OpenLayers" way. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstr

Re: [OSM-talk] User diary enhancements, subscriptions, Facebook/Twitter integration

2011-05-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/09/2011 06:21 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: The API is RESTful, and therefore should hold no state. OAuth is precisely the opposite of that. One could argue that at least the write API (which is the one mainly requiring authentication) is stateful already because you have to open a c

Re: [OSM-talk] User diary enhancements, subscriptions, Facebook/Twitter integration

2011-05-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
only that your everyday login will be simplified. So anyone for whom the signup is an insurmountable hurdle will not join - whether we support OpenID or not. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" __

Re: [OSM-talk] User diary enhancements, subscriptions, Facebook/Twitter integration

2011-05-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
, and try for better integration with sites that are... new users already seem to be quite confused by the multitude of options to express oneself in OSM. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" __

Re: [OSM-talk] Geofabrik Download Server Update

2011-05-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, sorry. Loaded your Polygon now, should be live in ~18 hours. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Russ, (I'm trying to move this over to legal-talk because you are expressing an interesting legal viewpoint): On 05/05/11 06:27, Russ Nelson wrote: I'm wondering on what data you come to that conclusion? Because people have clicked "ok" on the license change and CTs? And yet there is no ag

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/04/11 19:34, Kai Krueger wrote: Wikipedia has a global foundation responsible for the maintenance of all databases and then local chapters who provide further support and services on top of that. OSM (can) works similar. There is a global database and various local chapters that provi

Re: [OSM-talk] Geofabrik Download Server Update

2011-05-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hendrik, On 05/04/11 00:44, Hendrik Oesterlin wrote: It is included, but ADSL in New Caledonia is expensive and therefor quite slow (256kb downstream). I have added a New Caledonia extract, and it should be there daily from tomorrow. Bye Frederik ___

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/04/11 03:23, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Dave, if you have a suggestion that would let us communicate in real time (not over weeks via email) then please share this with the group. The alternative to communicating in real-time is fundamentally changing your organisational structure to r

Re: [OSM-talk] Geofabrik Download Server Update

2011-05-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Phil, On 05/04/11 01:48, Phil Endecott wrote: I need to use simplified polygons; cutting out a country with a 15k node polygon would take forever. Is your point-in-polygon test O(N) in the size of the polygon? You can do much better than that. I use Osmosis, which in turn uses whatever Java

Re: [OSM-talk] Geofabrik Download Server Update

2011-05-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
cess. I need to use simplified polygons; cutting out a country with a 15k node polygon would take forever. And it is impossible to simplify the polygons and still make sure that each boundary is contained completely in the respective country file, so they have to overlap. Bye Frederik -

Re: [OSM-talk] Geofabrik Download Server Update

2011-05-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
rlap. They usually do but every now and then I encounter a little bit of no man's land due to polygon simplification. Second, you have to use software that properly eliminates the double elements; I'm not sure if Osmosis does that. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remot

Re: [OSM-talk] Skip geographical (redundant) address tags

2011-05-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/03/2011 03:12 PM, Jo wrote: Hmm, I'm convinced the associatedStreet relation is the most elegant way to solve the redundancy problem. The biggest issue with it is the one street per relation limitation, which I don't understand where it comes from. So, as far as I'm concerned, it'd be

Re: [OSM-talk] Geofabrik Download Server Update

2011-05-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/03/11 10:48, David Murn wrote: New Caledonia is not part of Australia. Bummer. I must have mixed it up with New South Wales or whatever the place is called. I'll check but I think that the NC area should be in the "australia+oceania" extract. Bye Frederik

Re: [OSM-talk] Geofabrik Download Server Update

2011-05-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/03/11 07:07, Hendrik Oesterlin wrote: Would it be possible to add New Caledonia in .pbf to http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/australia-oceania/ I'd love to but before I start making smaller files for Australia I think I'll do something in the US. I suggest that for the time being you

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/02/11 12:22, Thomas Davie wrote: Discuss on this forum instead of IRC. It's self recording of *everything* that's said& allows *all* to contribute at *all* times. But causes discussions that could be had in 10 minutes to get spread out over 10 weeks ;) Dave is right about the adva

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
This is an unfortunate dynamic, and we should look to other large communities to find out how they deal with it. Certainly, after this thread, anyone *not* wanting to involve the community-at-large will have one more reason. It would be great if we could somehow reboot and arrive at somethin

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Lester Caine wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: Also how much stock of the current logo version is left on the shelves of those supplying it? I have no idea but if it were my stock, I'd probably re-print the old logo without a second thought. And just take the hit on the wasted costs o

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
of the current logo version is left on the shelves of those supplying it? I have no idea but if it were my stock, I'd probably re-print the old logo without a second thought. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
even before they receive the product? Calm down. Our merchanidse is not "out of date" just because the logo has been touched up. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
his tongue-in-cheek, I really do. It gives me hope that we're not yet in a situation where every improvement has to go through some sort of complicated three-level approval process. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
p/osmlogo.png http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/osm_logo_soft_freds_version.svg This is not perfect either but maybe someone with more skill than myself could have a look at the issue and make the new logo look "right". Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail f

Re: [OSM-talk] Real time editing visualization

2011-04-27 Thread Frederik Ramm
lso, a KML based project which has sadly not seen activity in the past ~3 years: "OsmAware", http://code.google.com/p/osmlab/ Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
better than what we have, and it is achievable, whereas while I might personally like PD better, that is not achievable. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/19/11 14:14, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: Of course, those who can remember a bit further back, recall that Frederick Ramm is in favour of Public Domain, and not ODbL. Perhaps if you explain just how your support was bought it would make more entertaining reading that your recent posts. Ste

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Tom, (Bob?), On 04/19/11 09:09, Thomas Davie wrote: That 70% *have* agreed to distribute their work under the new license. It is entirely valid for the camp that wants to move to the ODbL sooner rather than later to count the 70% in their stats, because accepting the new license is all that matt

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
just plain copyright. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/16/2011 10:35 PM, Ed Avis wrote: what, exactly, would persuade you that this isn't a realistic possibility? I would like a big player with a big legal department - say, for example, Navteq - grabbing our data for a reasonably well mapped place, perhaps a city only, incorporating it

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/16/2011 09:21 PM, Kevin Peat wrote: Thanks for your thoughtful answer. It is certainly a lot more detailed than anything I have read before. My first impression is how can a process with so many grey areas possibly result in a cleanly licensed dataset? I assume that decisions will on

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Ed, On 04/16/2011 06:58 PM, Ed Avis wrote: Since the situation is so serious, there should surely be plenty of examples by now. It only takes *one* example to take all our data and feed it into some proprietary giant's database. Would you prefer to wait? Or even: If you were a member of the

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/16/2011 07:47 PM, Kevin Peat wrote: Such as is it the LWG's intention to make the license/ct's compatible with OS Opendata? If it isn't then all those people currently tracing thousands of roads a week in the UK might as well take a break and get some fresh air. If people are indeed

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/16/2011 04:13 PM, Ian Dees wrote: But, as you said, that poll was unofficial, only included 500 people, and if I remember correctly had some very confusing options at first. My guess is that more than 10.000 people have been informed of the poll (via the lists I mentioned). The fact

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/16/2011 05:40 PM, Graham Jones wrote: I am also surprised that we are going to the compulsory re-licensing when there are still (as far as I can tell without looking too closely) doubts over the compatibility of significant datasources with the new licence or contributor terms - From w

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Ian, On 04/16/2011 02:10 PM, Ian Dees wrote: Wow, I still have yet to receive a straight answer from anyone and it doesn't look like I will. You asked when "the community of OpenStreetMap" was asked about the license change. ... No, it's not complicated. When whoever it was decided that w

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/16/2011 01:29 AM, Dermot McNally wrote: FWIW I would have favoured earlier specific requests for a vote, but it's basically been an impossible position for the LWG from what I can see as an outsider. On the one hand, everybody wants to feel consulted about the change. On the other, ple

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/16/2011 10:29 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: We simply draw up a document that is basically a modified version of the current contributor terms, which says "I am willing to make the following contract with OSMF on the additional condition of OSMF holding the 2/3 vote as described

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
On 04/16/2011 02:05 AM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 16 April 2011 01:29, Dermot McNally wrote: This licence change now gives every mapper the means of undermining the map through withholding of their own data, once freely given and now very likely a foundation of data created by other mappers,

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Alan, On 04/15/2011 11:01 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: What exactly will be done with the existing data, and when? Understanding what happens to objects and their parents/siblings/children based on the license acceptance of the original creator/intermediate editors/last editor is key to deciding whethe

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/15/2011 05:55 PM, Kai Krueger wrote: I thought that the new CTs were supposed to "fix" this issue [...] I have answered on legal-talk. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war, Mitrovica

2011-04-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/15/2011 01:14 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: I don't like 'duplicate node removing' scripts or bots. Duplicate nodes may well have a function, or may not be duplicate at all. +1. Anyone who plans to indiscriminately "fix" duplicate nodes without actually looking at the situation (e.g. an

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/15/2011 10:13 AM, David Groom wrote: There's also a third kind of "tainted" that sits in the middle of these two, namely data that has e.g. been released CC-BY. Such data looks compatible at first, but closer inspection (see current discussion on legal-talk) reveals that CC-BY explicit

Re: [OSM-talk] We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities

2011-04-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Mikel, On 04/11/2011 05:27 PM, Mikel Maron wrote: http://brainoff.com/weblog/2011/04/11/1635 In the following message, all quotes are from your blog post. I've given this matter some thought and I think while your concerns are legitimate, you are perhaps overreacting a bit. OpenStreetMap a

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
seem to lack either the ability or the willingness to understand what I'm saying, and it is quite taxing for me to express everything in a way that cannot possibly be misread by you. Perhaps others have more luck in trying to explain things to you. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ra

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
ds sublicensing, and sublicensing is what the new scheme is all about. So in that case we'd have a legal outcome (data being distributed with attribution) but an untidy process that took us there. I don't know if this is a minor problem that can be ignored, or a showstopper. Bye Fr

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
y that. He only said that OSM was not the only open source project to go through difficult decisions - and it will only take you seconds of googling to prove that right. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Grant Slater wrote: Part of Sysadmin Team, LWG Member, Data Working Group, Server "order" guy, van driver and mapper. ^^ Lizard man! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" __

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
project on (legal) sand, and we're moving to rectify the situation. The patient may lose some tissue about this but he will live, and after the wounds have healed, will be healthier than before. I'm talking all flowery because this is the talk list. If you want hard facts, go to l

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
uot; isn't. Once we've got you, we'll never let go. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk) as well as the various Wiki articles (you'll notice the license change banner on wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki right away). If, thereafter, any questions remain, you can ask then on the legal-talk list and I'm sure they will be prompt

[OSM-talk] Geofabrik Download Server Update

2011-04-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, for a few years now, the Geofabrik download server (download.geofabrik.de) has been serving various, daily updated, regional OSM extracts, in XML and shape file form, and for the last half year also in PBF form. After a few hiccups in the past weeks, I have moved the server to new in

Re: [OSM-talk] We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities

2011-04-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
f you compare data that is not free by license to data that is free but cumbersome to use. The latter case can be fixed by manpower; the former cannot. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcement: "Add-tags" a tool to connect OpenStreetMap & Wikipedia

2011-04-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
to ODbL. (Followup-to legal-talk.) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] Attribution of CORINE and Urban Atlas imports

2011-04-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
to be credited properly if their data is used. As I said, it's not that EEA are complaining (and they don't have any set-in-stone attribution rules anyway, only that you have to attribute) but we should certainly aim to do it right! Bye Frederik

Re: [OSM-talk] April fools that should have been

2011-04-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/02/2011 11:52 PM, Dave F. wrote: Why are April fools neither witty or funny any more? They ceased to be worthwhile the moment you stopped making any, of course. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.open

Re: [OSM-talk] The Future of Areas

2011-03-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
affected (or just minimally affected) by any change in that department, and can safely ignore the discussion. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Apple Still Seeking to 'Radically Improve' Maps for iOS

2011-03-26 Thread Frederik Ramm
iWhatever store ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 03/24/11 09:23, Andrew Harvey wrote: ...and many prospective contributors are being shunned away because a new contributor doesn't have the same privileges as existing contributors. i.e. existing contributors can use non-CT compatible data, but new users cannot. That's a funny distincti

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: we already have ODbL / CT for everybody who agreed to the license change or signed up newly in the last months. For all this data OSMF already is copyright holder. No. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09"

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
-- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Named passages on hiking paths

2011-03-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
uot;pas de Calais!" Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-03-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] odbl

2011-03-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
John, john whelan wrote: The intention is to try to understand a bit more about it. The legal-talk mailing list is an excellent place to ask questions about ODbL. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09"

Re: [OSM-talk] Another large edit gone wrong (McDonald's)

2011-03-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Frederik Ramm wrote: I think the recent McDonald's changeset may need reverting or at least additional editing: http://www.openstreetmap.org/blocks/39 User says sorry, has reverted some things himself and asked me to revert the rest which I'm doing right now. By

Re: [OSM-talk] Another large edit gone wrong (McDonald's)

2011-03-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Toby Murray wrote: I think the recent McDonald's changeset may need reverting or at least additional editing: http://www.openstreetmap.org/blocks/39 Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09&q

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Does routing based on OSM data lead to a derived or assembled work?

2011-03-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
ed!") then you might have to make it available. The picture might become clearer if you can tell us why you are storing the user's routes in a database. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" _

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 02/21/2011 04:03 PM, Peter Budny wrote: Those of you who think all automated or semi-automated data contributions are harmful to OSM are dooming this project to never be able to grow to become a leading source of mapping data. It is a common fallacy to believe that good map data could s

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
ng plastered over with an import is the worst possible outcome. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Why isn't any XAPI server available ?

2011-02-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
r dares to touch the code. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] 12nm territorial borders - useful or rubbish?

2011-02-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Dave, On 02/14/11 07:52, David Murn wrote: Im sure I remember reading a linked news story posted on this mailing list about a soldier crossing into enemy country because of incorrect mapping on his GPS. In that case, should we perhaps deviate from our usual mode of operation ("anyone can add

[OSM-talk] 12nm territorial borders - useful or rubbish?

2011-02-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
n our maps may be little more than "that's what computer geeks do if you tell them the border is 12 miles out...". I'd like to hear from people who tell me that yes, these borders are really useful to have ;) Bye Frederik -- Fred

Re: [OSM-talk] Manual Point Entry

2011-02-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Esben Stien wrote: > Is there some kind of command line application that would let me enter > data into the database?. Not really. There are some import tools that go from shapefiles to OSM data or so, but usually you will have to upload the data with an OSM editor later. We don't generall

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] collateral damage

2011-02-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
some things one way and other things another. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-talk] collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
of deleting and re-creating it, then a clean reversal would have been possible. I apologise if this has already been said elsewhere in this thread; I'm only skimming messages. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09&q

Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary rendering bug

2011-02-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 02/10/11 12:34, Daniel Sabo wrote: Why would this be needed? I don't see anything in the wiki that says boundary relations are treated differently than multipolygons. If you tag them twice (way and relation) your just going to render an extra overlapping way. You are definitely not sup

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

2011-02-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 02/02/11 18:00, Peter Miller wrote: The strict view expressed above by Frederick and others would mean that it would be impossible to use osm mapping as a bacground for this crime data as in the chart, 'Violent crime in the USA' unless the overlaid data was also on an open licence or the

Re: [OSM-talk] New tool in Potlatch 2 for areas that share a way

2011-02-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 02/02/11 11:24, Steve Bennett wrote: Certainly that information is of use to someone, but I don't think OSM should try and be all things to all people. For starters, we simply don't have the manpower. In the Australian context, it looks like we might be able to do better than Google Maps,

Re: [OSM-talk] New tool in Potlatch 2 for areas that share a way

2011-02-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 02/01/11 03:37, Steve Bennett wrote: Furthermore, you might be reduced to categorising individual elements of the factory. Would the administrative wing really be landuse=industrial? Surely it should be landuse=commercial. etc etc. Before long you'll be tagging the restrooms as landuse

Re: [OSM-talk] Anyone know who wrote rawedit?

2011-02-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 02/01/11 03:24, Steve Bennett wrote: So, as discussed on another thread, I'm trying to use rawedit.openstreetmap.fr to undelete a relation, but am getting XML parser errors. Anyone know who I can contact, or where to get the source from? Either Etienne Chové has written it, or he kn

Re: [OSM-talk] Investigating missing relation

2011-01-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
as been created by you earlier, then deleted, then undeleted). Will the OSM server accept new objects being created with specific ids? No, usually you would pass in the id only when updating an existing object (or undeleting one that has previously existed). Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm

Re: [OSM-talk] Investigating missing relation

2011-01-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Steve, On 01/31/11 09:07, Steve Bennett wrote: Next question: is there a way to revert the deletion, or do I have to manually add it again to the various segments? In our database, a relation is not a property of various segments. I.e. the pointers don't go from the segments to the relation,

Re: [OSM-talk] New tool in Potlatch 2 for areas that share a way

2011-01-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/31/11 02:27, Steve Bennett wrote: Does that apply for coastlines as well? Or do coastlines not even need the multipolygon? Coastlines do not use multipolygons. But if you have an area that is bounded by coastline - say, a beach area - then you can create a multipolygon for the beac

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding image to map features

2011-01-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
an quickly request images for a certain location. But if someone *wants* to do it, then we certainly shouldn't tell him to stop. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Investigating missing relation

2011-01-27 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/28/11 03:50, Steve Bennett wrote: Are there any tools available to investigate this kind of thing? Yes, you can use "wget" to download the full history planet file and then look for something in that file. This is slightly difficult because the file is huge and you will need to emp

Re: [OSM-talk] military vs consumer GPS and the equator

2011-01-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
ass line is a "sham" or a "lie"? No, it's just a pleasant reminder that there is more to Geodesy than just reading numbers off a device, be it "military" or "civilian". Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-map-based OSM editor

2011-01-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
cal mass-edit into a public review system where others can put in their veto before it is executed ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
by the time you have found out that the area that was requested contains a million nodes, you have already spent a lot of time slowing down the database - maybe one would have to have a special mapping density index for various regions of the planet. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/24/2011 09:23 AM, Oscar Orbe wrote: #rubbish Come on people. There's enough editors for everyone. There's a ton of reasons, for *every* editor, why someone would use or not use it. Personally I am glad that this is so; I think the needs of different users are much better served by

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-map-based OSM editor

2011-01-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Anthony wrote: Cool. That's useful for when you know the exact lat/lon of the nodes you want to place. Well for those that don't go into cardiac arrest when they see the JOSM splash screen, there's also Shift-D ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remo

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-map-based OSM editor

2011-01-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Steve Bennett wrote: I wonder if anyone has ever made an OSM editor which is not map-based, for just editing tags on objects. http://rawedit.openstreetmap.fr/ Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09"

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik maxing CPU with Corine data set

2011-01-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
;prefix;_polygon where amenity is not null [...] or "natural" is not null [...] ) as text &datasource-settings; You could try commenting that layer out to see if that improves the situation. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm

Re: [OSM-talk] Open Sea Chart - I don't get it

2011-01-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
here they're heading. I believe they have a Google group or something. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=unsurfaced

2011-01-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, David Murn wrote: Now, maybe Im off the mark here, but it sounds like that is *EXACTLY* the outcome we want when mass changing tags, We are not going to mass-change tags. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09"

Re: [OSM-talk] To those who remove dupe nodes

2011-01-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
ed! Your original complaint was about people removing *duplicate* nodes though, not people removing fresh, unused nodes. That's another situation; if your upload creates duplicate nodes then your upload is buggy and should be stopped. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail fred

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/06/11 11:29, Richard Fairhurst wrote: hopefully OS will switch to the new Open Government License soon, which is explicitly compatible with ODbL. They switched today. :) How can they do that without discussing it for four years in advance? Bye Frederik ___

Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, (replying to my own message which was in reply to Dave F & Anthony) On 01/04/11 15:17, Frederik Ramm wrote: Second, there is neither a technical possibility to "delete" posts from a mailing list, nor do we have any moderation policy in place. If we had any moderation - some

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/04/11 17:02, John Smith wrote: On 5 January 2011 01:48, Frederik Ramm wrote: No, that is not acceptable to me. Someone who participates in OSM must have the willingness to accept what the majority wants, or else they should not participate in the first place. Ummm where is the

Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/04/11 14:59, Dave F. wrote: On 04/01/2011 02:52, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Dave F. wrote: Being curious in return, why are you curious? Well, he does work for Microsoft... Good point. So his post is external marketing spam & should be deleted. Oh come on,

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