On Utorak, 01. Prosinac 2009. 09:48:24 Dražen Odobašić wrote:
Daklem, korisnik http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/uhs01/edits i
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/uhs02/edits koristi Google ili neku drugu
podlogu za iscrtavanje, što je čisti piratluk. Činjenica da se to može
napraviti ne znači
Hi,
Just signaling a technical problem I had updating the 'antwerpen status'
page.
When using osm2gml.xsl on the data file of the north part of Antwerpen
(Berendrecht/Zandvliet and north part of the harbour) it produced an
error due to the following entry in the osm data:
way id=45068245
For now I just remove this tag and process my data without it. For the
Antwerpen status page I do not need it.
Removing a tag just because a tool doesn't grok it, seems like the wrong
thing to do. Unless you only removed it from your local data, of course,
and not from the OSM db. There is
Yes, removed it from the local data :-)
On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 12:11 +0100, Lennard wrote:
For now I just remove this tag and process my data without it. For the
Antwerpen status page I do not need it.
Removing a tag just because a tool doesn't grok it, seems like the wrong
thing to do.
2009/12/8 mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk:
A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to
be forked?
Yes it does. The LWG sought specific legal advise on this. We wouldn't
be an open project if this was not allowed.
/ Grant
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2009/12/8 mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk:
A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to
be forked?
Yes. The fork must be under the ODbL.
(I am not a lawyer, etc.)
- Rob.
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On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM, mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote:
Hi,
A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to
be forked?
Why not?
The code is in svn and has been for ages, ready for forking. Of
course, you can't change the license on the GPL code that you
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM, mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote:
Hi,
A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to
be forked?
Why not?
The code is in svn and has been for ages,
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:52 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM, mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote:
Hi,
A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to
be
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM, mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote:
A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to
be forked?
Technically, it does. But remember that the OSMF is granted a special
license in addition to the ODbL. Any fork would be at a major
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM, mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote:
A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to
be forked?
Technically, it does. But remember that the OSMF is granted a special
Matt Amos [1] and Mike Collinson [2], members of the LWG [3] together
with Peter Batty [4], Richard Fairhurst [5] and Steve Coast [6] got
together earlier today to discuss OpenStreetMap Licensing, ODbL and
some of the licensing debate.
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:14 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com
wrote:
2009/12/8 Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2009, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM,
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:14 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com
wrote:
2009/12/8 Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com:
On Tuesday, December 8, 2009, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM,
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
The Contributor Terms actually still aren't clear about what exactly *is*
happening. The ODbL only applies to the database as a whole, not the
individual data. The individual data is supposed to be licensed under a
different
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:21 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote:
it's in that spirit, but it's also worth pointing out that we aren't
asking for copyright assignment or any other rights assignment. that's
a subtle, but often
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:21 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote:
it's in that spirit, but it's also worth pointing out that we aren't
asking for
Margus Värton wrote:
Margus Värton wrote:
I am glad to inform You that CORINE Land Cover data for Estonia is
currently being imported. It takes some time and some manual or
semi-manual intervention but in few days we should have much improved
map data.
CORINE Land Cover data
Grant Slater openstreetmap at firefishy.com writes:
http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/
That summary page is great but unfortunately it's not what is on offer.
The real text of the ODbL is much more complex,
Quote from Creative Commons BY SA Summary Disclaimer:
The Commons
John Smith deltafoxtrot256 at gmail.com writes:
If GPLv3 was inspired by Tivo, I think this license is somewhat
inspired by Google and other commercial mapping companies, who have a
habbit of sucking in all the data they can get their hands on and not
giving anything back.
Google have recently
Richard Fairhurst richard at systemed.net writes:
Under CC-BY-SA, attribution and share-alike are required when you distribute
OSM data, or a derivative of it.
They are not required, of course, if you don't distribute the data. If I
write a program that downloads planet.osm to my hard disc, then
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Jason Cunningham
jamicu...@googlemail.com wrote:
Can I also be sorry for being pedantic and point out an issue with the
license.
The OSMF decided to base themselves in the UK and is
A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales. Company
2009/12/8 Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com:
John Smith deltafoxtrot256 at gmail.com writes:
If GPLv3 was inspired by Tivo, I think this license is somewhat
inspired by Google and other commercial mapping companies, who have a
habbit of sucking in all the data they can get their hands on and not
giving
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
John Smith deltafoxtrot256 at gmail.com writes:
If GPLv3 was inspired by Tivo, I think this license is somewhat
inspired by Google and other commercial mapping companies, who have a
habbit of sucking in all the data they can
Grant Slater wrote:
A quick question for the legal people: does ODbL allow the project to
be forked?
Yes it does. The LWG sought specific legal advise on this. We wouldn't
be an open project if this was not allowed.
That fork would have less options than OSMF has, though. Most
importantly,
Anthony schrieb:
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:18 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
However, one thing you should perhaps consider is this argument of project
sanity: We're all in this together. It's no good having a license that has
different effects in different countries.
And
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Sebastian Hohmann wrote:
I don't know about that legal stuff in detail, but I agree that CC0
would probably be the best licence. If OSM won't go and really try to
sue people, why protect the data? And why protect the data at all?
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:22 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Sebastian Hohmann wrote:
I don't know about that legal stuff in detail, but I agree that CC0
would probably be the best licence. If OSM won't go and really try to
sue people, why protect the
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:22 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Sebastian Hohmann wrote:
I don't know about that legal stuff in detail, but I agree that CC0
would probably be the best licence. If OSM won't go and
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doesn't apply to Geodata.
Because...?
Factual data. What you are attempting to enforce is the viral effect,
which directly is what you also try to overcome...
Stefan
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On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:22 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Sebastian Hohmann wrote:
I don't know about that legal stuff in detail, but I agree
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote:
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doesn't apply to Geodata.
Because...?
Factual data. What you are attempting to enforce is the viral effect,
which directly is what you also try to overcome...
So I
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:43 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:22 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Sebastian Hohmann wrote:
I don't know
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:54 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote:
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doesn't apply to Geodata.
Because...?
Factual data. What you are attempting to enforce is the
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So I can't license data because it's factual?
You cannot /copyright/ the data because it is factual. A license for
what you couldn't /copyright/ in the first place is not an analogy of
GPL vs BSD.
Anyway, back on planet Earth,
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:54 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote:
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doesn't apply to Geodata.
Because...?
Factual
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:04 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Anthony wrote:
There's no reason to license data if it's factual.
You're jumping from your pseudo-legal argument to your moral argument. It
would help you if you separated them.
It'd help if you
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote:
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So I can't license data because it's factual?
You cannot /copyright/ the data because it is factual. A license for
what you couldn't /copyright/ in the first place is
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:04 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Anthony wrote:
There's no reason to license data if it's factual.
You're jumping from your pseudo-legal argument to your moral argument. It
would
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SteveC schreef:
So I can't license data because it's factual?
You cannot /copyright/ the data because it is factual. A license
for what you couldn't /copyright/ in the first place is not an
analogy of GPL vs BSD.
Why not?
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote:
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SteveC schreef:
So I can't license data because it's factual?
You cannot /copyright/ the data because it is factual. A license
for what you couldn't /copyright/ in the
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:08 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
You're on the BSD side, morally. I'm on the GPL side.
I know you weren't referring to me when you said that, but I get the
impression you think that's my position as well. Here's the thing. I'm not
on the BSD side, morally.
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
The point is that *morally* you want the data to be PD and *morally* I want
it to be SA.
Morally, I want my data to be SA. CC-BY-SA, to be specific.
Well that doesn't work, and
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Anyone that traces their trails might think this action is
creative. If that was as creative as writing a computer program or
an algorithm[1] that did this for you... then one probably
understand that one is not making a
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:35 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
The point is that *morally* you want the data to be PD and *morally* I
want it to be SA.
Morally, I want my data
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote:
The point is that *morally* you want the data to be PD and *morally*
I want it to be SA. The legal points you make are just supporting
cases that you're cherry picking to help you.
I don't *morally* want PD, I *morally* want
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:35 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
The point is that *morally* you want the data to be PD and *morally* I
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:44 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:35 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:44 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:35 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009
Ed Avis wrote:
Google have recently started using their own set of map data for the
USA. If it were possible for them to take OSM data under the current
licence they would have done so. This suggests that the current
share-alike provisions are working as intended.
No, it suggests that our
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:50 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
You asked why it doesn't work, and there is a wealth of information on the
list and the wiki...
There are a lot of claims on the list and the wiki that CC-BY-SA doesn't
work, but that doesn't make them true.
The only plausibly
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:50 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
You asked why it doesn't work, and there is a wealth of information on the
list and the wiki...
There are a lot of claims on the list and the wiki that CC-BY-SA doesn't
work, but
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:50 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
You asked why it doesn't work, and there is a wealth of information on the
list and the wiki...
There are a lot of claims on the list and the wiki that CC-BY-SA
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:57 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
Trevor, let me guess that you feel people with actual law degrees like the
two that helped the LWG are wrong and you are right based on your 6th sense?
Who's Trevor?
I do feel that some people with actual law degrees are
Ed Avis wrote:
Richard Fairhurst richard at systemed.net writes:
In other words: If you want to use OSM data without attribution or
share-alike, you may do so by distributing the program that makes the
derivative, rather than the derivative itself.
Right. Of course it is up to the user of
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On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote:
The point is that *morally* you want the data to be PD and
*morally* I want it to be SA. The legal points you make are just
supporting cases that you're cherry picking to help
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, SteveC wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
The point is that *morally* you want the data to be PD and *morally* I
want it to be SA.
Morally, I want my data to be SA. CC-BY-SA, to be
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:57 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
Trevor, let me guess that you feel people with actual law degrees like the
two that helped the LWG are wrong and you are right based on your 6th sense?
Who's
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On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:50 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
You asked why it doesn't work, and there is a wealth of information
on the list and the wiki...
There are a lot of
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:57 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
Trevor, let me guess that you feel people with actual law degrees like the
two that helped the LWG are wrong and you are right based on your 6th sense?
Who's Trevor?
My pet troll,
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
In my opinion, CC-BY-SA, like the GPL (which states it explicitly) is
intended to guarantee your freedom, not to take away your freedom.
I should add the phrase to share and change the works.
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:11 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
troll trolly troll troll
How can I argue with such erudite points?
We're now in the land of relativism where to make a point I have to go and
collect quotes from lawyers, which you probably won't believe anyway, when
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:57 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
Trevor, let me guess that you feel people with actual law degrees like the
two that helped the LWG are wrong and you are
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Liz wrote:
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, SteveC wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
The point is that *morally* you want the data to be PD and *morally* I
want it to be SA.
Morally, I want
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:15 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Anthony wrote:
CC-BY-SA doesn't work is not the kind of statement I think some people
with actual law degrees are any more qualified to answer than anyone else
anyway. Not until you define what it
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Anthony wrote:
I never said someone with a law degree would never make such a statement. I
said they are no more qualified to make such a statement than anyone else.
So let me get this straight, lawyers are not more qualified to make legal
arguments than anyone
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:21 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Anthony wrote:
I never said someone with a law degree would never make such a statement.
I said they are no more qualified to make such a statement than anyone
else.
So let me get this straight,
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, SteveC wrote:
Well that doesn't work,
Why doesn't it work?
See legal-talk ad nauseum.
I've read the whole lot, over an 18 month period of time, and there is no
proof that CC-by-SA doesn't work
simplification of the argument does not assist anyone.
It may not protect
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:21 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Anthony wrote:
I never said someone with a law degree would never make such a
statement. I said they are no more qualified to make
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
It is however quite stupid to think that only 265 people care enough about
their data to be worth a vote
The vote isn't about their data, though. Each person individually will be
able to choose what to do with their data.
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Liz wrote:
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, SteveC wrote:
Well that doesn't work,
Why doesn't it work?
See legal-talk ad nauseum.
I've read the whole lot, over an 18 month period of time, and there is no
proof that CC-by-SA doesn't work
I've not seen anything proving
Someone fixed my request to render leisure=dog_park on osmarender, but
neither the node nor the areas are visible on the map.
My suggested icon attached with the ticket, was for the nodes (POI) and
for an area i suggested a pattern with a green park like, and dog icons
inside.
Do you think the
Hi,
this would normally be a posting for legal-talk or so, but since the
topic has been brought up here on talk, I'll respond here.
I wasn't about to revive the debate. I prefer PD but I'll support the
move to ODbL. I'm not trying to convince everyone that PD is better.
However, I feel
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
It is however quite stupid to think that only 265 people care enough about
their data to be worth a vote
The vote isn't about their data, though. Each person
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Henk Hoff o...@toffehoff.nl wrote:
Hi all,
Later today the organizing committee will meet to (hopefully) decide on
the venue of next year's State of the Map. There are bids from Italy,
Spain, the Netherlands and Austria. You can see them all at
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
It is however quite stupid to think that only 265 people care enough about
their data to be worth a vote
The vote isn't
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Isn't he merely stating that if you truly believe CC-BY-SA doesn't
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Stefan
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You're really advocating switching license without asking anyone?
Isn't he merely stating that if you truly believe CC-BY-SA doesn't
protect the data, you don't have to
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You're really advocating switching license without asking anyone?
Isn't he merely stating that if you truly
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote:
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On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote:
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You're really advocating switching license without
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:36 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
It is however quite stupid to think that only 265 people
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You're really advocating switching license without asking anyone?
Isn't he merely stating that if you truly believe CC-BY-SA doesn't
protect the data, you don't have to ask anyone to do so?
to do what, relicense?
Exactly; if
On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote:
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SteveC schreef:
You're really advocating switching license without asking anyone?
Isn't he merely stating that if you truly believe CC-BY-SA doesn't
protect the data, you don't have to ask
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:54 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
So you really are saying the LWG / OSMF should just ignore everyone and
change the license?
What do you mean change the license? Isn't your position that CC-BY-SA is
invalid in the first place?
The OSMF doesn't need permission
SteveC schreef:
You're really advocating switching license without asking anyone?
Isn't he merely stating that if you truly believe CC-BY-SA doesn't
protect the data, you don't have to ask anyone to do so?
to do what, relicense?
Exactly; if your statement is sound. CC-BY-SA doesn't protect
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyway, you can call him a troll, but I agree I so far haven't heard
sound arguments why CC-BY-SA doesn't work and what work actually
means. Doesn't work for Cloudmade?
I think you hit the nail on the head.
On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
SteveC schreef:
You're really advocating switching license without asking anyone?
Isn't he merely stating that if you truly believe CC-BY-SA doesn't
protect the data, you don't have to ask anyone to do so?
to do what, relicense?
Stefan,
Stefan de Konink wrote:
Exactly; if your statement is sound. CC-BY-SA doesn't protect us, thus
doesn't protect us against ourselves, thus OSMF could declare the data
today as ODbL, and wait to get sued by the editors that doesn't like
this change, if the CC-BY-SA holds the relicense
On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyway, you can call him a troll, but I agree I so far haven't heard
sound arguments why CC-BY-SA doesn't work and what work actually
means. Doesn't work for Cloudmade?
I
Hi,
Someone fixed my request to render leisure=dog_park on osmarender,
but neither the node nor the areas are visible on the map.
The someone was me. It most likly doesn't appear yet because most
clients haven't updated yet.
My suggested icon attached with the ticket, was for the nodes (POI)
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SteveC schreef:
Why don't you do it then, try and fork to CC0 or PD with planet.osm ?
Because I'm not convinced that CC-BY-SA won't hold ;) Especially related
some recent cases over here with the claim This was our intention the
intention for OSM
Another very similar example is the Creative Commons movement. There are
many photos and pieces of music and even films out there that come under
a Creative Commons Share Alike license and the model is commonly
considered a success. It is great that I can use a photo I find on
flickr in a
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:15 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com
wrote:
Anyway, you can call him a troll, but I agree I so far haven't heard
sound arguments why CC-BY-SA doesn't
On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote:
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SteveC schreef:
Why don't you do it then, try and fork to CC0 or PD with planet.osm ?
Because I'm not convinced that CC-BY-SA won't hold ;)
So if IP lawyers cannot convince you, who or
2009/12/8 SteveC st...@asklater.com:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
SteveC schreef:
You're really advocating switching license without asking anyone?
Isn't he merely stating that if you truly believe CC-BY-SA doesn't
protect the data, you don't have to ask anyone to do
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Hi Frederik,
Frederik Ramm schreef:
Stefan de Konink wrote:
Exactly; if your statement is sound. CC-BY-SA doesn't protect us, thus
doesn't protect us against ourselves, thus OSMF could declare the data
today as ODbL, and wait to get sued by the
Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com
wrote:
Anyway,
you can call him a troll, but I agree I so far haven't heard
sound arguments why CC-BY-SA "doesn't work" and what "work" actually
means. Doesn't work for Cloudmade?
I think you hit the nail
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:20 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote:
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Why don't you do it then, try and fork to CC0 or PD with planet.osm ?
Because I'm not convinced
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.comwrote:
Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.comwrote:
Anyway, you can call him a troll, but I agree I so far haven't heard
sound arguments why CC-BY-SA doesn't work and what work
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SteveC schreef:
On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote:
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SteveC schreef:
Why don't you do it then, try and fork to CC0 or PD with planet.osm ?
Because I'm not convinced that
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