Re: [Talk-transit] Again about time tables, and some interesting sites

2010-12-06 Thread Michał Borsuk
Am 06.12.2010 09:46, schrieb Jacques Lys: Hello, In fact, PT data are most often seen by agencies as being critical data they have to protect while submitting tender for Delegation de Service Public. I expected the timetables to be organized by a government supervisory body, with only

Re: [Talk-transit] Again about time tables, and some interesting sites

2010-12-06 Thread Andrei Klochko
Ok, finally someone that really knows the case! so. First, if it is like that, then a proper authorization to use the timetables and routes, one by one, granted by veolia, keolis and transdev would do for a great amount of pt companies in france. Correct? I happen to have contacted veolia's

Re: [Talk-transit] Again about time tables, and some interesting sites

2010-12-06 Thread Michał Borsuk
Am 06.12.2010 14:54, schrieb Andrei Klochko: Hi, That is simply not true. I know what I am doing. I would like to believe it as well, but as I know copyright laws (not of France, but of other countries), to me it also sounds weird. What I could suggest is to have an official, written advice

Re: [Talk-transit] Again about time tables, and some interesting sites

2010-12-06 Thread Andrei Klochko
Good evening, i admit it, I know almost nothing about law. I focused on database, intellectual property law. These texts are quite small. I know my interpretation has no value, which is why I just spent 1h and a half talking to yet another lawyer. And what he told me was this: in one sentence, I

Re: [Talk-transit] Again about time tables, and some interesting sites

2010-12-06 Thread Michael von Glasow
On 12/06/2010 05:07 PM, Michał Borsuk wrote: Am 06.12.2010 15:26, schrieb Andrei Klochko: Hello, Yes, in France it's even worse: the database producer may forbid any quantitatively or quantitatively substantial extraction from his database, by all means and in any form BUT you have this

Re: [Talk-transit] Again about time tables, and some interesting sites

2010-12-06 Thread Andrei Klochko
Thank you for your answer. Indeed, it is almost impossible to prove you indeed have the right to do anything, in the geographical data area. But to answer to your idea of even bus stops physical locations being copyrighted, we have the following story, that every lawyer in france takes back:

[OSM-talk-be] trunk crossroads and cyclerouting

2010-12-06 Thread Klaas Gadeyne
Hi all, At http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.86777mlon=4.678712zoom=18layers=M a small junction way http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/8288162 exists between the two parts of the Koning Boudewijnlaan (or Celestijnenlaan as you wish :-) This way is currently tagged as trunk_link

Re: [OSM-talk-be] trunk crossroads and cyclerouting

2010-12-06 Thread Gerard Vanderveken
Hi, I think the road is wrong classified. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/8288162 It should be residential and part of the Celestijnenlaan and not trunk_link http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/72912809 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/3877191 Because that is what it is there:

Re: [OSM-talk-be] layer probleempje

2010-12-06 Thread Marc Portier
Gerard, net ook de josm upgrade gedaan en met de bing assistentie is het effectief bijzonder prettig werken Op 3 december 2010 16:08 heeft Gerard Vanderveken g...@ghia.eu het volgende geschreven: Nu Bing ook in mijn JOSM beschikbaar is als satelliet achtergrond (zie Bing thread), heb ik eens

Re: [OSM-talk-be] trunk crossroads and cyclerouting

2010-12-06 Thread Maarten Deen
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:41:25 +0100, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: I usually tag these small ways between two lanes of a dual carriage road with the same classification of the crossing roads, in this case highway=unclassified. But there's no strict rule on this AFAIK, even though we

Re: [OSM-talk-be] trunk crossroads and cyclerouting

2010-12-06 Thread Klaas Gadeyne
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: Klaas Gadeyne wrote: This way is currently tagged as trunk_link http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Link_(highway).  However, (at least in Belgium) trunk roads are prohibited for bicycles. Well, yes and no. Yes for 99%

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-06 Thread Andrew Harvey
I feel that it is not safe at this point. I have raised my concerns in this thread http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2010-December/005299.html On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Manuel Reimer manuel.s...@nurfuerspam.de wrote: Hello, is it secure to use Bing? Any license risks?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Andrew, Manuel - On 12/06/2010 10:28 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote: I feel that it is not safe at this point. I have raised my concerns in this thread http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2010-December/005299.html The situation is sufficient for me to use Bing imagery for tracing.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-06 Thread Rob Myers
On 12/06/2010 10:18 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote: I suppose I don't mind if a license is technically invalid because of some obscure legal reason, I just think that the intent needs to be there, publicly, officially, and clearly stated on what they are okay with and what they aren't. I don't think

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread 80n
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, pec...@gmail.com wrote: License is fine. It is CT which in fact still allows OSMF to change data license to any other free license (which could be strip share alike and attribution requirements) what blocks

[OSM-legal-talk] Database right for public transport

2010-12-06 Thread Andrei Klochko
Hello, first, to put things clear, I know of Transiki, I know of Google Transit obviously, I know of OSMand, and I know - a little - about database copyright in France. I already asked several lawyers about my questions, without it resulting in any clear answer. And no, what I intend to do will

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database right for public transport

2010-12-06 Thread Francis Davey
On 6 December 2010 20:57, Andrei Klochko transportspl...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, [snip] strategy, to avoid trouble. Any advice on such an entreprise? I'm not sure that this is really on topic for this list since it doesn't impact legally on open street map (or it shouldn't). Its also the kind

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database right for public transport

2010-12-06 Thread Andrei Klochko
Hi, I am sorry, you are right, based on what I said, this conversation hardly concerns osm directly. I asked before I did not know where to start getting real help about this. And so, thank you for your answer. It finally got into the heart of the subject. I never thought of that point, that

[OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Ed Avis
This message explains a problem that user interfaces such as Nominatim have when choosing the correct localized 'name' tag to show to the user, why I believe this is caused by incomplete tagging, and a proposal to fix it. I was surprised when searching on the OSM home page to find Edinburgh was

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 12/06/2010 11:00 AM, Ed Avis wrote: Given that, and the user's preferred languages [en, fr], what name should be picked? The program cannot know that the name 'Scotland' is in English Why? Are there places in Scotland that have a Gaelic name in the name tag? Bye Frederik

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-06 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: The situation is sufficient for me to use Bing imagery for tracing. I'm not looking at the legal side of it, I'm just looking at the size of the PR disaster should Microsoft attempt to backtrack in any way. PR is more

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Erik Johansson
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 12/06/2010 11:00 AM, Ed Avis wrote: Given that, and the user's preferred languages [en, fr], what name should be picked?  The program cannot know that the name 'Scotland' is in English Why? Are there places

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread MD
Hi, Ed Avis wrote: [...] I believe the answer, as so often, is to improve the tagging used so that software has the information it needs. In this case an explicit English- language name should be added, so we have name=Scotland name:en=Scotland name:fr=Ecosse

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Ed Avis
Frederik Ramm frederik at remote.org writes: Given that, and the user's preferred languages [en, fr], what name should be picked? The program cannot know that the name 'Scotland' is in English Why? Are there places in Scotland that have a Gaelic name in the name tag? There may be, but in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 06/12/2010 11:22, MD a écrit : Hi, Ed Avis wrote: [...] I believe the answer, as so often, is to improve the tagging used so that software has the information it needs. In this case an explicit English- language name should be added, so we have name=Scotland name:en=Scotland

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Erik Johansson
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Frederik Ramm frederik at remote.org writes: Given that, and the user's preferred languages [en, fr], what name should be picked?  The program cannot know that the name 'Scotland' is in English Why? Are there places in Scotland

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 12/06/10 11:48, Ed Avis wrote: We could add per-country or per-geographical-area rules about what the 'default' language is. I guess those don't have to be added, do they? Is it not implicit that places in France will by default have the French name in their name tag? But that

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Erik, On 12/06/10 11:19, Erik Johansson wrote: :-) Well does anyone have code to add name as local language in postgis, what are the options? Lets not complicate your remark by enumerating all multilingual areas in the world, where names means power The question was about Nominatim

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: We could add per-country or per-geographical-area rules about what the 'default' language is.  But that seems like the wrong answer, and would give the wrong result in many cases. Seems like the right answer to me. There are

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: with and what they aren't. I don't think the Bing people have clearly stated what they consider acceptable and what they don't. It would be a very strange world if Steve Coast announced that OSM could use Bing maps,

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Ed Avis
Frederik Ramm frederik at remote.org writes: We could add per-country or per-geographical-area rules about what the 'default' language is. I guess those don't have to be added, do they? Is it not implicit that places in France will by default have the French name in their name tag? Yes, but

[OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi, So, this is awkward. According to my profile, I've agreed to the new Contributor Terms. I have no recollection of having done so, and obviously I don't want to agree to them while they're incompatible with Nearmap. Sadly, the GUI doesn't tell me when this flag was set, nor does it provide a

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 6 Dec 2010, at 10:10, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 12/06/2010 11:00 AM, Ed Avis wrote: Given that, and the user's preferred languages [en, fr], what name should be picked? The program cannot know that the name 'Scotland' is in English Why? Are there places in Scotland that have a

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread Tom Hughes
On 06/12/10 12:09, Steve Bennett wrote: 1) Could someone please unset this flag for me: (User: stevage) This is really a policy issue I think. 2) Could someone please tell me when it got set? 2010-08-13 01:44:38.6323 UTC And for bonus points: 3) Could someone provide evidence that I did

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Brian Quinion
On 6 December 2010 11:41, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Erik, On 12/06/10 11:19, Erik Johansson wrote: :-) Well does anyone have code to add name as local language in postgis, what are the options? Lets not complicate your remark by enumerating all multilingual areas in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 06/12/2010 12:52, Steve Bennett a écrit : On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Ed Avise...@waniasset.com wrote: We could add per-country or per-geographical-area rules about what the 'default' language is. But that seems like the wrong answer, and would give the wrong result in many cases.

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Ed Avis
Brian Quinion openstreetmap at brian.quinion.co.uk writes: This is the approach I've already taken - the next version of Nominatim has a field country_default_language_code as part of the country details OK I guess that takes care of it, so we don't need additional per-object tags. This list is

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Brian Quinion
On 6 December 2010 13:18, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Brian Quinion openstreetmap at brian.quinion.co.uk writes: This list is entirely of my own construction and probably misses quite a few countries default languages.  I welcome any improvements! Shouldn't it be tagged as part of the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-06 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: with and what they aren't. I don't think the Bing people have clearly stated what they consider acceptable and what they don't. It would be

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread Serge Wroclawski
This should really be taking place on the legal list but nonetheless: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi,  So, this is awkward. According to my profile, I've agreed to the new Contributor Terms. I have no recollection of having done so, and obviously I

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread John Smith
On 6 December 2010 23:55, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: This should really be taking place on the legal list but nonetheless: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, So, this is awkward. According to my profile, I've agreed to the new

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi,  So, this is awkward. From a pragmatic legal perspective, it seems to me that any nearmap-sourced edits that I made while under the effects of the CT are totally invalid anyway, so should be moved to a non-CT

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread David Fawcett
I think that the pertinent question is whether Steve deliberately accepted the CT and license or was he hijacked by a bad UI. David. PS. Wow, reading all of the emails on this subject over the last year, it is clear that this license issue and the way that it has been handled is obviously the

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Robert Kaiser
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Erik, On 12/06/10 11:19, Erik Johansson wrote: :-) Well does anyone have code to add name as local language in postgis, what are the options? Lets not complicate your remark by enumerating all multilingual areas in the world, where names means power The question was

[OSM-talk] Announce: Bing Aerial image age viewer

2010-12-06 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi all, For those of you wondering when the Bing aerials were photographed for your area (like me), I created a viewer for that. Give it a try: http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bing/ It uses the date given in a Bing custom HTTP header, which is often correct, but not always. Date error

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 6 December 2010 14:55, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi,  So, this is awkward. According to my profile, I've agreed to the new Contributor Terms. I have no recollection of having done so, and obviously I

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com To: Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com Cc: Open Street Map mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag This should really be taking place on the legal

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:42 AM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 December 2010 14:55, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi,  So, this is awkward. According to my profile, I've agreed to the new

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread pec...@gmail.com
2010/12/6 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:42 AM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 December 2010 14:55, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi,  So, this is awkward.

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread john
There are likely to be cases where two or more of the possible languages use an identical name for the same location or entity. Plus, in addition to any official languages for a particular country, you may have additional languages spoken by the local people. For example, the official

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, pec...@gmail.com wrote: License is fine. It is CT which in fact still allows OSMF to change data license to any other free license (which could be strip share alike and attribution requirements) what blocks usage. In fact, there is NO license which allows such CT to coexist. Only PD, and

Re: [OSM-talk] Osmosis exception

2010-12-06 Thread Carsten Nielsen
Same situation with osmosis 0.38, only node no ways Carsten Den 05-12-2010 20:50, Carsten Nielsen skrev: I dont recall where I saw the --read-bin option but se it is also mentioned in the recent geofabrik blogpost http://blog.geofabrik.de/en/?p=75 and yes I have tried to replace it with the

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread 80n
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, pec...@gmail.com wrote: License is fine. It is CT which in fact still allows OSMF to change data license to any other free license (which could be strip share alike and attribution requirements) what blocks

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 08:55 -0500, Serge Wroclawski wrote: This should really be taking place on the legal list but nonetheless: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, So, this is awkward. According to my profile, I've agreed to the new Contributor

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 06.12.2010 17:58, schrieb Serge Wroclawski: The LWG is part of the OSMF, and the OSMF is who runs this project. The LWG is part of the OSMF, and the OSMF is part of the ~3 people who runs this project :-) Regards, ULFL ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:41:05 -0500 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: We're* also expecting to implement a way for you to flag edits that shouldn't be promoted to CT/ODbL, so you'll be able to accept CT, and flag those changesets that are incompatible individually. The bad ones won't be

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 21:15 +0100, Ulf Lamping wrote: Am 06.12.2010 17:58, schrieb Serge Wroclawski: The LWG is part of the OSMF, and the OSMF is who runs this project. The LWG is part of the OSMF, and the OSMF is part of the ~3 people who runs this project :-) If the OSMF board

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-12-06 Thread Dave F.
On 05/12/2010 22:07, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote: As long as there are external ways connecting to the area, a router should be able to find the appropriate entrances exits by tracking the perimeter. I thought they were already able to

Re: [OSM-talk] Glittermap

2010-12-06 Thread Toby Murray
Just saw a tweet from Ed Parsons that might be relevant to glittermap! Use with care animated pins http://goo.gl/a3Q8g, could be the mapping equivalent of blink/blink Toby On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, glitter today, dragons sea monsters

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-12-06 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 20:56 +, Dave F. wrote: - which, if all they know about is the perimeter, is probably a good thing. Eh? I thought you said you'd love it if it cut directly across an area?? They don't have to *follow* the perimeter just use it to find the best exit then

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-12-06 Thread Dave F.
On 06/12/2010 21:06, David Murn wrote: On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 20:56 +, Dave F. wrote: - which, if all they know about is the perimeter, is probably a good thing. Eh? I thought you said you'd love it if it cut directly across an area?? They don't have to *follow* the perimeter just use

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-12-06 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 21:18 +, Dave F. wrote: On 06/12/2010 21:06, David Murn wrote: On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 20:56 +, Dave F. wrote: - which, if all they know about is the perimeter, is probably a good thing. Eh? I thought you said you'd love it if it cut directly across an

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 6 December 2010 20:44, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 08:55 -0500, Serge Wroclawski wrote: This should really be taking place on the legal list but nonetheless: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi,  So, this is

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-12-06 Thread Dave F.
On 06/12/2010 21:42, David Murn wrote: On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 21:18 +, Dave F. wrote: On 06/12/2010 21:06, David Murn wrote: On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 20:56 +, Dave F. wrote: - which, if all they know about is the perimeter, is probably a good thing. Eh? I thought you said you'd love

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 22:45:00 +0100 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: If Nearmap is CC-BY-SA, they're compatible now. What about at changeover though?  Im pretty sure Steve asked this question in relation to data in the future, not the present. It's incompatible even at

Re: [OSM-talk] Glittermap

2010-12-06 Thread yvecai
Just saw a tweet from Ed Parsons that might be relevant to glittermap! Use with care animated pins http://goo.gl/a3Q8g, could be the mapping equivalent of blink/blink So fun! Really addictive game, how can we feed them? ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 6 December 2010 23:23, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: If Nearmap is CC-BY-SA, they're compatible now. What about at changeover though?  Im pretty sure Steve asked this question in relation to data in the future, not the present. It's incompatible even at present. could you

Re: [OSM-talk] Working for Mapquest as of today

2010-12-06 Thread Mike Dupont
Congrats! good luck! mike On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Emilie Laffray emi...@osmfoundation.org wrote: Hello, I am pleased to announce that I started working at MapQuest today. I want to let the OSM community know how excited I am about this new opportunity. I will continue in my capacity

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 05/12/2010 22:07, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com  wrote: As long as there are external ways connecting  to the area, a router should be able to find the appropriate

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:42 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: However, please understand that most of us use routing software, expecting it not to try and take shortcuts across unmapped areas. Who said anything about taking shortcuts across *unmapped* areas? How in the world would

Re: [OSM-talk] Working for Mapquest as of today

2010-12-06 Thread Katie Filbert
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Emilie Laffray emi...@osmfoundation.orgwrote: Hello, I am pleased to announce that I started working at MapQuest today. I want to let the OSM community know how excited I am about this new opportunity. I will continue in my capacity as an elected member of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: The CT isn't a license, it's a terms of agreement. That means you've given OSMF a license to the data, and now you're asking them to revoke that license. This would be (moral if not legal) equivalent of someone offering

Re: [OSM-talk] Working for Mapquest as of today

2010-12-06 Thread Randy Meech
Welcome! And not a moment too soon! -Randy On Dec 6, 2010 5:59 PM, Emilie Laffray emi...@osmfoundation.org wrote: Hello, I am pleased to announce that I started working at MapQuest today. I want to let the OSM community know how excited I am about this new opportunity. I will continue in my

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-06 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 10:00:57AM +, Ed Avis wrote: In an attempt to fix this I have asked the maintainer of http://keepright.ipax.at/ to add a data check. Where a choice of languages exists for a name, then there should be one that corresponds to the main 'name' tag. In other words

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Someone already had a look at the Bing Terms of Use?

2010-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:55 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: PR is more important than legal. As most people on this list know, with CC-BY-SA being next to invalid for Geodata in the US, any of the big US players could long have taken our data an run. Why haven't they? Because they

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 05/12/2010 22:07, Anthony wrote:  - which, if all they know about is the perimeter, is probably a good thing. Eh? I thought you said you'd love it if it cut

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-12-06 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 18:21 -0500, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:42 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: However, please understand that most of us use routing software, expecting it not to try and take shortcuts across unmapped areas. Who said anything about taking

Re: [OSM-talk] Osmosis exception

2010-12-06 Thread Stephan Knauss
Hi, On 06.12.2010 19:58, Carsten Nielsen wrote: Same situation with osmosis 0.38, only node no ways on talk-de had been similar reports. Frederik mentioned he will replace the version on the server. Stephan ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-12-06 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:11 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 18:21 -0500, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:42 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: However, please understand that most of us use routing software, expecting it not to try and

[OSM-talk-nl] Announce: Bing Aerial image age viewer

2010-12-06 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi all, For those of you wondering when the Bing aerials were photographed for your area (like me), I created a viewer for that. Give it a try: http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bing/ It uses the date given in a Bing custom HTTP header, which is often correct, but not always. Date error

[OSM-talk-nl] openstreetbugs / fietsrouteplanner

2010-12-06 Thread dbussche
Beste, wij willen in onze fietsrouteplanners graag een aanmoediging opnemen de kaart te verbeteren als je ergens lokale kennis hebt. In eerste instantie een verwijzing naar www.openstreetmap.nl/content/zelf-de-kaart-bewerken.html, plus voor wie dat te ingewikkeld vindt een verwijzing naar

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] openstreetbugs / fietsrouteplanner

2010-12-06 Thread Andre Engels
2010/12/6 dbuss...@goudappel.nl: wij willen in onze fietsrouteplanners graag een aanmoediging opnemen de kaart te verbeteren als je ergens lokale kennis hebt. In eerste instantie een verwijzing naar www.openstreetmap.nl/content/zelf-de-kaart-bewerken.html, plus voor wie dat te ingewikkeld

Re: [Talk-br] Cartas do IBGE

2010-12-06 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Eu tinha pensado numa solução mais simples: converter a imagem para um PNG na maior resolução possível, tomar umas 3 ou 4 coordenadas a partir das imagens de satélite com a melhor precisão possível e traçar as ruas sobre as imagens usando um plugin apropriado para imagens não-georeferenciadas.

Re: [Talk-br] Cartas do IBGE

2010-12-06 Thread Rodrigo de Avila
Estou conseguindo coletar muitas ruas aqui da minha região usando as imagens do Bing. Será que esses PDFs não seriam úteis no que diz respeito aos nomes das ruas? Em 6 de dezembro de 2010 14:15, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com escreveu: Eu tinha pensado numa solução mais

Re: [Talk-br] Cartas do IBGE

2010-12-06 Thread Ronaldo Maia
É justamente o que ia perguntar. Seria possível utilizar as cartas somente como fonte dos nomes das ruas? 2010/12/6 Rodrigo de Avila rodr...@avila.net.br: Estou conseguindo coletar muitas ruas aqui da minha região usando as imagens do Bing. Será que esses PDFs não seriam úteis no que diz

Re: [Talk-is] Húsnúmer og GPS

2010-12-06 Thread Svavar Kjarrval
Hér er allavega söluáróður frá umboðsaðila Garmin á Íslandi http://garmin.is/product/kort/islandskort.shtml Þar kemur m.a. fram að þeir hafi: * Hámarkshraða vega * Hæðarlínur með 20 metra millibili * Strandlínu * Vötn * Útlínur jökla, þjóðgarða og friðlanda * Gönguleiðir * Vegir og götur *

Re: [Talk-is] Fasteignaskrá

2010-12-06 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2010/12/6 Svavar Kjarrval sva...@kjarrval.is: Var að hringja í Fasteignaskrá og vildi forvitnast hvort við gætum fengið GPS hnit úr staðfangaskrá fyrir allt landið en fékk það svar að það myndi kosta um 200 þúsund krónur. Þess vegna datt mér í hug hvort við gætum reynt að fá gögnin ókeypis og

Re: [Talk-de] White spots RELOADED

2010-12-06 Thread Bernd Wurst
Hallo Gary. Am Samstag 04 Dezember 2010, 10:34:33 schrieb Gary68: ich nehme jetzt noch die typen farm, locality und region raus und dann läuft das immer anfang des monats, wie auch unmapped. gerade läuft eine aktualisierung... oder auf anfrage! Wirklich, die Liste ist super. Ich habe am

Re: [Talk-de] Bing tch

2010-12-06 Thread Michael Buege
Zitat Wolfgang: [ Wegpunkte exakt vermessen] Die Genauigkeit wird irgendwo zwischen 1 und 2 m liegen. Genauer ginge es mit dgps-fähigen Geräten. Letzte Woche habe ich auf einem Garmin GPSmap 60CSx in Verbindung mit einer externen Antenne (Gilsson MCX) fuer einen Wegpunkt eine geschaezte

Re: [Talk-de] White spots RELOADED

2010-12-06 Thread Bernd Wurst
Am Montag 06 Dezember 2010, 09:17:24 schrieb Bernd Wurst: Allerdings stören die locality-Objekte schon ein wenig Jetzt bin ich verwirrt. Ich bin mir sicher, dass ich gestern auch mal die Seite reloaded hatte. Heute allerdings hat die Seite da da im Seitenkopf: | file

Re: [Talk-de] Bing tch

2010-12-06 Thread Wolfgang
Hallo, Am Montag 06 Dezember 2010 09:20:40 schrieb Michael Buege: Zitat Wolfgang: [ Wegpunkte exakt vermessen] Die Genauigkeit wird irgendwo zwischen 1 und 2 m liegen. Genauer ginge es mit dgps-fähigen Geräten. Letzte Woche habe ich auf einem Garmin GPSmap 60CSx in Verbindung mit einer

Re: [Talk-de] neue Wochennotiz Nr.20

2010-12-06 Thread Peter Körner
Vielen Dank! Lg ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] neue Wochennotiz Nr.20

2010-12-06 Thread Chris66
Am 04.12.2010 23:58, schrieb Gehling Marc: Wie jede Woche haben wir die Neuigkeiten aus dem OSM-Universum in der Wochennotiz zusammengetragen: http://blog.openstreetmap.de/2010/12/osm-wochennotiz-nr-20/ Viel Spaß beim Lesen! Danke, gibt es irgendwo Erläuterungen zu den verlinkten Videos

Re: [Talk-de] Bing und SlippyMap

2010-12-06 Thread Alex Pleiner
* geo.osm geo@googlemail.com [2010-12-03 17:11]: Hab gerade nach der Anleitung mein gut funktionierendes WMS (auch mit Bing) und slippymap ausgenockt und imaginary als einziges Plugin aktiviert. so nu is Bing auch weg, auch in den Einstellungen und der Auswahl der diversen wms plugins

Re: [Talk-de] neue Wochennotiz Nr.20

2010-12-06 Thread Jonas K.
Am 06.12.2010 um 11:11 schrieb Chris66: Am 04.12.2010 23:58, schrieb Gehling Marc: Wie jede Woche haben wir die Neuigkeiten aus dem OSM-Universum in der Wochennotiz zusammengetragen: http://blog.openstreetmap.de/2010/12/osm-wochennotiz-nr-20/ Viel Spaß beim Lesen! Danke, gibt es

Re: [Talk-de] neue Wochennotiz Nr.20

2010-12-06 Thread Chris66
Am 06.12.2010 15:08, schrieb Jonas K.: Danke, gibt es irgendwo Erläuterungen zu den verlinkten Videos (Codeswarm, Vandalism/Hidden Message) ? Ich glaube es gibt nicht mehr, als das was unter den Video steht. Der Codeswarm ist eben dieser typische Codeswarm, denn man mit einem einfachen

[Talk-de] [Projekt WissenWert] Wikimedia Deut schland unterstützt 2 OSM-Projekte

2010-12-06 Thread Raimond Spekking
Wikimedia Deutschland hat heute das Ergebnis des WissensWert-Wettbewerbes bekanntgegegen [1]. Zwei der 8 Gewinner haben mit OSM zu tun: Luftbilder für OpenStreetMap von OSM-Stammtisch Dortmund (Marc Gehling, Olaf Kotzte) [2] und Barrierefreies Onlineportal für Karten- und Routing-Services von

Re: [Talk-de] Bing und SlippyMap

2010-12-06 Thread geo.osm
dank dir für das Skript. Unter Windows wird die Umsetzung ja schon wieder zu nem Geduldsspiel. Da ist es fast einfacher ich lege im Imagery die Einträge neu an und kopiere mir dazu die vorher per copy/paste gesicherten Einträge zurück. -- schönen Gruß Alex

Re: [Talk-de] White spots RELOADED

2010-12-06 Thread Gary68
hi ba-wü kommt nachher, wenn ich zu hause bin neu mit daten von heute/geofabrik. sollte also drin sein. zu dem anderen problem unten: alle false positives wird man nicht rausbekommen, oder? oder hat jemand eine idee, wie das zu lösen ist? ciao gerhard On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 09:17 +0100, Bernd

Re: [Talk-de] [Projekt WissenWert] Wikimedia Deuts chland unterstützt 2 OSM-Projekte

2010-12-06 Thread Mike Dupont
ausgezeichnet!!! Super! mike 2010/12/6 Raimond Spekking raimond.spekk...@gmail.com: Wikimedia Deutschland hat heute das Ergebnis des WissensWert-Wettbewerbes bekanntgegegen [1]. Zwei der 8 Gewinner haben mit OSM zu tun: Luftbilder für OpenStreetMap von OSM-Stammtisch Dortmund (Marc Gehling,

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