[OSM-talk-be] University tagging

[Ruben Maes]

Hi everyone

Those quarterly projects are a really good plan. Do universities count as well? 
;)

As I understand it, the ISCED levels are as follows for Flanders:

Basisonderwijs
1   Lagere school (Primary education)

Secundair onderwijs
2   1e-3e middelbaar (Lower secondary education)
3   4e-6e middelbaar (Upper secondary education)
4   Specialisatie BSO (Post-secondary non-tertiary education)

Hogeschool
5   Professionele bachelor (Short-cycle tertiary education)

Universiteit
6   Academische bachelor (Bachelor or equivalent)
7   Master (Master or equivalent)
8   Doctoraat (Doctoral or equivalent)

which means that universities get isced:level=6;7;8, right? If that's right, 
I'll add all these descriptions to the wiki page.

Wednesday 13 January 2016 07:57:24, eMerzh:
> Merci Marc !
> 
> ISCED semble intéressant... Bien que pas super claire et les spécificités
> belges (fr ou nl ne soit décrite.
> 
> Et sinon, je me suis demandé hier comment marquer les écoles spécialisée
> genre type 1 a 8 pour la communauté française.
> 
> Brice
> Le 12 janv. 2016 10:31 AM, "Marc Gemis"  a écrit :
> 
> > Il y a
> >
> > * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ISCED
> > *  en France on utilise par example school:fr=college
> > * operator/religion voir
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dschool
> >
> > m.
> >
> > 2016-01-12 10:16 GMT+01:00 eMerzh :
> >
> >> Très bonne idée :) i'm in ...
> >> et l'idée d'un projet limité avec un objectif précis est très motivant :)
> >>
> >> des idées comment tagguer des info complémentaire ?  genre le réseau
> >> (libre/ communal / ...) ou le(s) niveaux maternel (y/n), primaire (y/n) ,
> >> etc
> >> ?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Le 11 janvier 2016 à 11:19, lionel bulpa  a
> >> écrit :
> >>
> >>> Bonjour,
> >>>
> >>> Je pense que c'est une bonne idée, en plus, c'est motivant d'avoir un
> >>> objectif. Je pense qu'on avancera plus vite avec un objectif
> >>>
> >>> Lio
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> From: marc.ge...@gmail.com
> >>> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 10:39:51 +0100
> >>> To: talk-be@openstreetmap.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] BE Quarterly Projects - Défis du trimestre BE
> >>> - BE Driemaandelijks projecten
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I like the idea of a quarterly project as well. Anything that might get
> >>> people motivated to map is good.
> >>>
> >>> m
> >>>
> >>> 2016-01-10 21:21 GMT+01:00 Bruno Veyckemans 
> >>> :
> >>>
> >>> [FR] Bonjour à tous,
> >>>
> >>> Je viens de découvrir les UK Quarterly Projects
> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects qui commence
> >>> 2016 avec le défi de mettre à jour les données "écoles" du Royaume-Uni et
> >>> je trouve géniale cette idée de se concentrer ensemble sur un thème à
> >>> l'échelle du pays.
> >>>
> >>> Question: pourquoi ne pas s'y mettre pour la Belgique ?
> >>>
> >>> C'est ce que j'ai tenté de faire à l'échelle de Bruxelles il y a deux
> >>> mois, avec un beau succès pour les musées:
> >>> http://ici.brussels/liste-musees grâce à certains mappeurs qui m'ont
> >>> suivi sur Twitter, notamment eMerzh (voir stats en-dessous). Comme vous
> >>> pouvez le voir sur le graphique du dessus, le travail a porté ses fruits 
> >>> :)
> >>>
> >>> Pourquoi ne pas commencer nous aussi 2016 avec le projet de mettre à
> >>> jour les écoles de Belgique ? Voici déjà de quoi vous donner une idée du
> >>> chantier, toujours pour Bruxelles: http://ici.brussels/liste-ecoles Si
> >>> l'enthousiasme est là, je peux tenter de faire une interface similaire 
> >>> pour
> >>> toute la Belgique...
> >>>
> >>> Est-ce que vous pensez qu'on peut être suffisamment nombreux sur le coup
> >>> pour que ça fonctionne ? Est-ce que ça a déjà été fait pour la Belgique ?
> >>> Pensez-vous qu'il faille écrire une page de directives sur le wiki pour
> >>> harmoniser le travail, créer un hashtag et des stats d'avancement ? Est-ce
> >>> qu'il vaut mieux commencer avec un thème plus "basique" ? Est-ce que vous
> >>> participerez ?
> >>>
> >>> Merci pour vos commentaires et belle semaine !
> >>> Bruno
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>>
> >>> [EN] Do you think it could be a good idea to launch "BE Quarterly
> >>> Projects" on the model used by UK mappers ?
> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects
> >>> Could we begin by mapping belgian schools during the first quarter of
> >>> 2016 ? Would you be part of the project ?
> >>> Thanks !
> >>> Bruno
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>>
> >>> [NL] Vinden jullie een goed idee "Driemaandelijks projecten" te lanceren
> >>> voor België, op het model dat wordt gebruikt door de Britse mappers met 
> >>> hun
> >>> "UK Quarterly Projects"
> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects ? Zouden
> >>> jullie deelnemen ?
> >>> Bedankt !
> >>> Bruno

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Re: [Talk-GB] Rendering of layers

[Richard Mann]

I'm not sure Reading is good, it's just a different approach.

Buildings (and indeed most areas) are typically rendered below lines, for
various practical reasons. So maybe it is better to think of building as
the ground-coverage, rather than the usable floor (or roof).

You might want to put covered=yes on the lines as they pass underneath
(this is what is done for covered walkways between buildings, for
instance). But anything is likely to be a compromise. Look at other
stations and see what seems to work best.

Richard

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Stuart Reynolds <
stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk> wrote:

> Personally I think that Reading is cheating.
>
> The outline that is called the railway station “building” includes the
> ticket halls, the bridge, and the platform surfaces to the extent that
> these stick out of the bridge area. I don’t agree with this - the last time
> I looked, a platform wasn’t a building; it is a platform. I would expect
> this to be a site relation - and in fact, Euston appears to be mapped that
> way, so it doesn’t look like I’m a million miles out with that thought.
>
> Next, the individual “platforms" have been mapped as edges alongside the
> satellite-visible parts of the platform areas. The platforms in OSM don’t
> extend under the footbridge - when in reality they do. Again, at Euston the
> platforms are areas (split in half to allow tagging of each platform
> number). Yes the bridge at Reading is marked as a bridge, which it allows
> it to go over the tracks. But it really is a bridge at Reading. At Gatwick
> it is a whole building over the tracks.
>
> So, to me, Reading looks like it has been mapped for the renderer, rather
> than representing what is physically on the ground.
>
> Regards
> Stuart
>
>
> 
> Stuart Reynolds
> for traveline south east & anglia
>
>
>
> On 21 Jan 2016, at 10:34, Richard Mann 
> wrote:
>
> Compare Reading - are you mapping a roof or a groundplan, or a pedestrian
> bridge?
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Stuart Reynolds <
> stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I made a number of adjustments around the transport terminus at Gatwick
>> Airport South Terminal yesterday. When this was first mapped, what is
>> actually three buildings (the railway station, the covered travelators from
>> the bus station & car parks, and the southern stairs from the railway
>> platforms) were all mapped as one building, and the platforms were
>> “inserts” into the gaps rather than being the continuous entities that they
>> are. So I have separated those all out, and made the platforms a continuous
>> block. I also added internal escalators and travelators, although that is
>> immaterial to the question that I’m about to ask.
>>
>> The buildings are all mapped as layer=1, and the platforms without any
>> layer tag (which should default them to layer=0, AFAIK). So why are the
>> platforms and rail tracks (which I haven’t touched) been rendered over the
>> buildings, rather than under them?
>>
>> See http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.15634/-0.16124
>>
>> Thanks
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> 
>> Stuart Reynolds
>> for traveline south east & anglia
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-cz] Nový nástroj na detekci podezřelých changesetů

[Miroslav Suchy]

Dne 21.1.2016 v 11:02 Jan Breuer napsal(a):
> Neplánuje z toho někdo udělat e-mailovou notifikaci? 

Autor pise ze planuje dodelat RSS coz by uplne stacilo.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] BE Quarterly Project (Schools) - Go !

[Ruben Maes]

Thursday 21 January 2016 08:38:46, joost schouppe:
> Come to think of it, a physical school might have several associated
> schools from this CSV file. For example if it is a campus, but also when
> for some reason the building users can convince the Flemish administration
> that they are more than one organization. So your data model should allow
> for more than one set of ID's and names.

That's right. I know a secondary school that's officially 3 schools: one for 
the 1st grade, one for the 2nd and 3rd grade ASO, and one for the 2nd and 3rd 
grade BSO and TSO. Though in practice they operate as one school (same name, 
same buildings, same timetable, same teachers), they each have their own 
headmaster.

It's currently mapped as a single school.

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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMSchools - Tagging question Outdoor Education Centre

[SK53]

A quick check on taginfo only directed me to one Outward Bound centre (that
in Eskdale Green), and that is just tagged as a building. They have 6
centres. Another organisation rather different in scope is the Field
Studies Council with around 12 centres. Provision by LEA is declining (the
Castleton centre is now a Youth Hostel), but better off schools will often
have their own dedicated centre. Plas-y-Brenin
,
which is more directly sport oriented, is only mapped as buildings..

These are fairly distinct institutions with a mix of education & leisure
objectives: with their primary role being education (certainly from a
financial perspective & the need to have instructors DBS (CRB) checked). If
we had a widely used top-level education key, I'd use that, but as most, if
not all, education-related places use the amenity key, that's where I'd
start. So I'd suggest something like amenity=outdoor_education_centre or
amenity=outdoor_learning_centre. Sub-tagging could be used to distinguish
those with a bent towards physical activities versus those which do field
study.

Plas-y-Brenin does fit the leisure=sports_centre suggested by DanS.

There must be at least a hundred, if not several hundred such facilities in
the UK. I'm aware of similar places in many alpine villages in the Swiss
Alps (e.g., a " Ferien- und Schulungszentrum" near Ilanz), and passed
the "Maison
des Salines"  in Brittany,
shortly after SotM-France. ( The latter appears to be used as a Colonie des
Vacances, so I tagged this as leisure=holiday_camp.). Therefore I would
think there are good reasons not to try & coerce these places into an
existing tagging scheme.

In addition to ones providing accommodation & classroom facilites, many
wildlife trusts, and similar bodies, have smaller centres for non
residential courses. Ones I know well are: Attenborough Nature Centre, Idle
Valley Rural Learning Centre
, and the Wyre
Forest Discovery Centre .
Many of these will share a building with a cafe and shop and perhaps other
facilities.

On a closing note, one of my favourite such places at Gibraltar Point,
which I stayed at as recently as November 2012, was wrecked by a storm
surge in 2013 .

Jerry

On 21 January 2016 at 08:10, Dan S  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I don't have a good answer, but I had a similar problem when trying to
> tag a "Go Ape" outdoor centre last year. If you search for "Go Ape"
> you find many different taggings around the country, including:
>
> leisure=sports_centre
> tourism=attraction
> tourism=theme_park
> leisure=high_ropes_course
> leisure=playground
>
> Possibly one of the top three is suitable for this? I'd like to hear
> what other people think.
>
> Best
> Dan
>
> 2016-01-20 23:17 GMT+00:00  :
> > Hi again,
> >
> > thanks for the responses to my last question.
> >
> > I'm now trying to correct the tagging for an Outdoor Education Centre. It
> > has been tagged (understandably in my point of view) as amenity=school
> but
> > obviously isn't a school. So the question is, what should it be tagged
> as?
> > I've looked through the wiki and can't see anything relevant but I'm
> aware
> > that the knowledge in this group sometimes surpasses that of the wiki.
> >
> > The centre in question is Lagganlia http://www.lagganlia.com/ near
> Aviemore
> > in the Highlands which is owned by City of Edinburgh. I fondly remember
> > going there 3 or 4 times for Geography field trips and school skiing
> weeks
> > 20 years ago.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your help.
> >
> > Al.
> >
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[Talk-cz] Preklady wiki

[Dalibor Jelínek]

Ahoj,

opet s Lukasem prinasime dalsi zajimave preklady wiki. 

Prijemne cteni.

 

Dalibor 

 

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:highway%3Dliving_street

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:highway%3Dpedestrian

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:highway%3Dtrack

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:highway%3Dbus_guideway

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:highway%3Draceway

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:bicycle_road

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:highway%3Dbridleway

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:highway%3Dsteps

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:step_count

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:handrail

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:ramp

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:conveying

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:highway%3Dpath

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:construction

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:highway%3Descape

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:cycleway%3Dshare_busway

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:highway%3Dproposed

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:highway%3Dcycleway

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:lanes:psv

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:busway

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:busway%3Dlane

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:cycleway

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:abutters

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:driving_side

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:ford

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:ice_road

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Key:junction

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:junction%3Droundabout

 

 

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] University tagging

[Ben Laenen]

On Thursday 21 January 2016 12:55:25 Ben Laenen wrote:
> But I may very well be wrong, when I saw the threads on this list I did a
> little bit of googling, and that's what I came up with.

After some more googling, this site has a perfect overview of all the levels 
in Flanders:

http://vlaamsekwalificatiestructuur.be/wat-is-vks/kwalificatieniveaus/

Ben


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] University tagging

[Ben Laenen]

On Thursday 21 January 2016 12:38:43 Ruben Maes wrote:
> (...)
>
> As I understand it, the ISCED levels are as follows for Flanders:

I think I understand it differently then :-)


> (...)
> 
> Secundair onderwijs
> 2 1e-3e middelbaar (Lower secondary education)
> 3 4e-6e middelbaar (Upper secondary education)
> 4 Specialisatie BSO (Post-secondary non-tertiary education)

I think this one is more difficult, with 2 being first two years of secondary, 
3 
the third and fourth year, and 4 the full ASO or TSO.

> Hogeschool
> 5 Professionele bachelor (Short-cycle tertiary education)

Do these have their own group? I thought 5 was something for HBO5, and the 
"hogescholen" go into the same bachelor and master groups of 6 and 7...


> Universiteit
> 6 Academische bachelor (Bachelor or equivalent)
> 7 Master (Master or equivalent)
> 8 Doctoraat (Doctoral or equivalent)

But I may very well be wrong, when I saw the threads on this list I did a 
little bit of googling, and that's what I came up with.

But these are the numbers that Flanders gives to them, they don't translate 
one to one to the international numbers...

Ben


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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMSchools - Tagging question Outdoor Education Centre

[alasdair]

Mentioning Plas-y-Brenin brought the Scottish equivalent, Glenmore Lodge
to mind so I checked how that was tagged, just a generic building so
that was no use.

  I also looked at a couple of other outdoors centres I recall from
schooldays, Benmore and Dounans, one was a building and one a school. So
certainly up here in Scotland there doesn't seem to be an appropriate
tag in use. 

I like amenity=outdoor_education_centre as a generic enough name that
conveys the purpose and signifies that it isn't a school or a leisure
centre.

Al.
On 21/01/2016 12:47, SK53 wrote:

> A quick check on taginfo only directed me to one Outward Bound centre (that 
> in Eskdale Green), and that is just tagged as a building. They have 6 
> centres. Another organisation rather different in scope is the Field Studies 
> Council with around 12 centres. Provision by LEA is declining (the Castleton 
> centre is now a Youth Hostel), but better off schools will often have their 
> own dedicated centre. Plas-y-Brenin [1], which is more directly sport 
> oriented, is only mapped as buildings..
> 
> These are fairly distinct institutions with a mix of education & leisure 
> objectives: with their primary role being education (certainly from a 
> financial perspective & the need to have instructors DBS (CRB) checked). If 
> we had a widely used top-level education key, I'd use that, but as most, if 
> not all, education-related places use the amenity key, that's where I'd 
> start. So I'd suggest something like amenity=outdoor_education_centre or 
> amenity=outdoor_learning_centre. Sub-tagging could be used to distinguish 
> those with a bent towards physical activities versus those which do field 
> study.
> 
> Plas-y-Brenin does fit the leisure=sports_centre suggested by DanS.
> 
> There must be at least a hundred, if not several hundred such facilities in 
> the UK. I'm aware of similar places in many alpine villages in the Swiss Alps 
> (e.g., a " Ferien- und Schulungszentrum" near Ilanz), and passed the "Maison 
> des Salines" [2] in Brittany, shortly after SotM-France. ( The latter appears 
> to be used as a Colonie des Vacances, so I tagged this as 
> leisure=holiday_camp.). Therefore I would think there are good reasons not to 
> try & coerce these places into an existing tagging scheme.
> 
> In addition to ones providing accommodation & classroom facilites, many 
> wildlife trusts, and similar bodies, have smaller centres for non residential 
> courses. Ones I know well are: Attenborough Nature Centre, Idle Valley Rural 
> Learning Centre [3], and the Wyre Forest Discovery Centre [4]. Many of these 
> will share a building with a cafe and shop and perhaps other facilities.
> 
> On a closing note, one of my favourite such places at Gibraltar Point, which 
> I stayed at as recently as November 2012, was wrecked by a storm surge in 
> 2013 [5].
> 
> Jerry 
> 
> On 21 January 2016 at 08:10, Dan S  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I don't have a good answer, but I had a similar problem when trying to
>> tag a "Go Ape" outdoor centre last year. If you search for "Go Ape"
>> you find many different taggings around the country, including:
>> 
>> leisure=sports_centre
>> tourism=attraction
>> tourism=theme_park
>> leisure=high_ropes_course
>> leisure=playground
>> 
>> Possibly one of the top three is suitable for this? I'd like to hear
>> what other people think.
>> 
>> Best
>> Dan
>> 
>> 2016-01-20 23:17 GMT+00:00  :
>>> Hi again,
>>> 
>>> thanks for the responses to my last question.
>>> 
>>> I'm now trying to correct the tagging for an Outdoor Education Centre. It
>>> has been tagged (understandably in my point of view) as amenity=school but
>>> obviously isn't a school. So the question is, what should it be tagged as?
>>> I've looked through the wiki and can't see anything relevant but I'm aware
>>> that the knowledge in this group sometimes surpasses that of the wiki.
>>> 
>>> The centre in question is Lagganlia http://www.lagganlia.com/ near Aviemore
>>> in the Highlands which is owned by City of Edinburgh. I fondly remember
>>> going there 3 or 4 times for Geography field trips and school skiing weeks
>>> 20 years ago.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>> 
>>> Al.
>>> 
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[3] http://www.nnc.ac.uk/idle-valley-rural-learning-centre
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] BE Quarterly Project (Schools) - Go !

[Glenn Plas]

On 21-01-16 10:37, Marc Gemis wrote:
> Glenn,
> thanks a lot for the hard work and the explanation. It looks very promising !
> If you want a beta tester on OSX, feel free to contact me

It's been great to look at GRB data and compair. Sounds great to test it
on OSX, I'll publish the tool soon.
> 
> Any idea how the "roofs" attached to a building look like after
> importing ? On the GRB images you see them as areas filled with
> diagonal lines.

Not always, those diagonal lines can also be a building with an entrance
underneath.  This comes from the Gba shapes, roof's will actually share
nodes (in the raw data) with buildings from Gbg shapes.

But using the simplify way plugin, chances are the nodes don't all
matchup.  You will however get a warning in JOSM validator.  Then it's a
simply checking out the building and perhaps join and/or merge the
nodes, usually trivial work.

I've imported the roofs in half hour, but there is a lot in the Gba
shapes that we can't directly import, some strange structures but also,
the 'verdieping' , aka raised buildings needs human attention.  Usually
you need to do some mods or compromise.

Check here, no real visual difference in standard osm style.  But the
meta data is there.

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/dSY

Only about 23% of Gba data is directly usable, notably 'roof'

My tool support Gba/Gbg/Knw shapes at the moment.

Glenn


> Just curious whether they are part of the building or are separate 
> "buildings".
> 
> m
> 
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Glenn Plas  wrote:
 Then you can use Shift to select 2 buildings, move finger to 't' and
 poof, done.
>>
>> http://aptum.bitless.be/movies/stek12.avi
>>
>> You don't even need to select those 2 buildings in most cases:
>>
>> - run the validator
>> - navigate to and select warnings like 'crossing buildings', 'building
>> inside building'.
>> - Now the offenders are both already selected. You can merge after
>> visually confirming that it's 'the same building'.  Sometimes it's not
>> selecting the correct ones, but adjacent buildings.
>> - press replace geometry hotkey
>> - fix any merge warnings.
>>
>> common ones are : building=yes on original vs. building=shed on GRB import.
>>
>> Any existing tag conflict will throw another dialogue up, so it helps to
>> rename in advance, for example, on size, anything smaller than 10m2 is a
>> shed (=this kind of equals how GRB works).  So when both versions have
>> building=shed, you will not get the dialogue and are able to select the
>> next validator issue.
>>
>> The validator is a real tool here, not just something to use at the end,
>> it's a speed booster too.
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-it] Josm non tiene conto della distanza sull'asse Z

[mircozorzo]

Ciao, si è vero che Josm non è fatto per calcolare le distanze. Ho pensato
che la misura resa dal software fosse verosimile e quindi andasse bene anche
per quell'uso a cui sarebbe stato "prestato".
Per valutare la lunghezza delle vie/segmenti uso il plugin Measurement.

Ciao, Mirco



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Re: [OSRM-talk] Bus routes

[Jean-Baptiste STAEBLER]

Hello, 

I'm interested with bus profile for OSRM too ; I've written a lua script for 
this but not tested yet (I'm waiting for my server installation). 
I know other organizations looking for specific profiles in OSRM request (bus 
or other, and too railway profiles). 

So it will be an interesting evolution if the demo server would let the user 
choose his profile (car, foot, bike, bus/coach, truck, train...), isn't ?

Have a nice day.


-Message d'origine-
De : Richard Marsden [mailto:winw...@gmail.com] 
Envoyé : mercredi 20 janvier 2016 00:36
À : Mailing list to discuss Project OSRM
Objet : Re: [OSRM-talk] Bus routes

I can't help with bus routes specifically, but I did write up some notes about 
the lua config files from my own similar investigations.
See: http://www.winwaed.com/blog/2015/11/18/osrms-lua-scripts/

Basically there's no documentation, so you have to work it out yourself from 
the samples and test files. If they don't make sense, then you're expected to 
poke around in the source code.

Hopefully these notes will help, but they do not pretend to be complete. Add 
comments regarding any corrections, and I can update them accordingly.


On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Artur Bialecki  
wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I would like to use OSRM with bus routes. Basically I only want to 
> extract and route against nodes and ways that belong to relation 
> route=bus|tram|trolleybus
>
> I can’t find any documentation on how to use profile.lua, so I would 
> appreciate any pointers you may have on how to achieve this.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Artur…
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OpenEvacMap...

[Nicolas Dumoulin]

Le Sunday 17 January 2016, 17:12:11 Christian Quest a écrit :
> Ce week-end se tenait à l'école 42 le hackathon NecMergitur organisé par
> la Ville de Paris, la préfecture de Police, Etalab...
> 
> J'ai proposé un projet de collecte des plans d'évacuation. Vous
> trouverez une présentation sur
> https://cquest.hackpad.com/OpenEvacMap-fslfSbDRGC2

Salut,

J'ai pensé à toi, et j'ai pris un plan en photo. Mais pour l'instant, je n'ai 
pas l'impression que ce soit possible de téléverser un plan après coup, à une 
adresse différente de celle géolocalisée par l'appli.

-- 
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[OSM-talk-fr] Import de défibrillateurs sur Toulouse

[Tyndare]

Bonjour,

J'ai remarqué un import des défribilateurs
dont la liste est dispo en ODBL pour Toulouse.

Autant je suis d'accord sur l'utilité des données autant je pense que le choix 
des tags annexes aurait mérite d'être discuté:

On peut voir les tags originaux dans l'historique:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3953673079/history

Je ne suis pas sur qu'utiliser addr:* et loc_ref soit une bonne idée.

Quelles sont vos propositions pour corriger ?


Tyndare.


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Re: [OSRM-talk] Bus routes

[Daniel Hofmann]

Currently the demo server only runs the car profile. This is due to how the
osrm pipeline works at this point in time: we pre-process the osm files on
a per profile basis (may take hours).
If we want the user being able to switch between profiles, we have to do
this time and cpu consuming pre-processing for all profiles that we wish to
support.

And because the demo server is, well, a demo server, this would generate
too much overhead. Feel free to do this on your own machine, though :)

That said, we already thought about user-provided profiles --- making it
way faster to change profiles, without the need for heavy pre-processing
--- but this is nothing you could expect shipping in the near future.

In the mean time we implemented features to get the pre-processing time
down for dynamically updating edge weights:
> https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/wiki/Traffic

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Jean-Baptiste STAEBLER <
j-b.staeb...@reunir.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm interested with bus profile for OSRM too ; I've written a lua script
> for this but not tested yet (I'm waiting for my server installation).
> I know other organizations looking for specific profiles in OSRM request
> (bus or other, and too railway profiles).
>
> So it will be an interesting evolution if the demo server would let the
> user choose his profile (car, foot, bike, bus/coach, truck, train...),
> isn't ?
>
> Have a nice day.
>
>
> -Message d'origine-
> De : Richard Marsden [mailto:winw...@gmail.com]
> Envoyé : mercredi 20 janvier 2016 00:36
> À : Mailing list to discuss Project OSRM
> Objet : Re: [OSRM-talk] Bus routes
>
> I can't help with bus routes specifically, but I did write up some notes
> about the lua config files from my own similar investigations.
> See: http://www.winwaed.com/blog/2015/11/18/osrms-lua-scripts/
>
> Basically there's no documentation, so you have to work it out yourself
> from the samples and test files. If they don't make sense, then you're
> expected to poke around in the source code.
>
> Hopefully these notes will help, but they do not pretend to be complete.
> Add comments regarding any corrections, and I can update them accordingly.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Artur Bialecki 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> >
> > I would like to use OSRM with bus routes. Basically I only want to
> > extract and route against nodes and ways that belong to relation
> > route=bus|tram|trolleybus
> >
> > I can’t find any documentation on how to use profile.lua, so I would
> > appreciate any pointers you may have on how to achieve this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > Artur…
> >
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[OSM-ja] 2/20 京都世界遺産マッピングパーティ：第１１回 醍醐寺（下醍醐）

[yasunari]

京都の山下です。みなさんこんにちわ。

次回の京都世界遺産マッピングパーティは
2/20 に醍醐寺（下醍醐）。
https://openstreetmap.doorkeeper.jp/events/37721

京都に５つしか（！）ない五重塔のうちの一つがある
下醍醐をマッピングに行きます。

あなたも京都の世界遺産に１ノードを残しませんか！？
皆さんのお越しをお待ちしています！！
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OpenEvacMap...

[dHuy Pierre]

@Cquest: Je m'étais renseigné lors de la création de la page sur la 
cartographie Indoor et nous avons le droit d'utiliser dans le cadre "d'un plan 
capté dans l'espace public" mais la diffusion est sujette au droit d'auteur du 
fait des mesures prises des styles d'impression propre à chaque entreprise... 
Je peux relancer l'avocat avec qui j'en avais discuté mais si il y a un avocat 
ici ça serait plaisant :)+ pour le formulaire de takedown. L'upload peut être 
anonymisé? 

Le Jeudi 21 janvier 2016 11h48, Christian Quest  a 
écrit :
 

  On 21/01/2016 10:22, Otourly Wiki wrote:
 
 
 Hello, Curieux ici le site n'en fini pas de mouliner.  
 La géoloc est obligatoire... sans elle, rien ne s'affichera.
 
 
  Peut-être il faudrait mettre une page concernant l'utilisation des données et 
le but du site.  
 
 Oui, il y a plein de choses à ajouter, on est vraiment à une v0 de type "PoC" 
;)
 
 
  Par contre certains propriétaires pourraient être réticents à l'idée de voir 
des plans de leur commerce sur un site...  
 
 Une option serait un formulaire de demande de "take down" comme disent les 
ricains...
 
 
     Florian
 #WeAreFairphone
   
  
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OpenEvacMap...

[Christian Quest]

On 21/01/2016 10:22, Otourly Wiki wrote:
> Hello,
> Curieux ici le site n'en fini pas de mouliner.

La géoloc est obligatoire... sans elle, rien ne s'affichera.

> Peut-être il faudrait mettre une page concernant l'utilisation des
> données et le but du site.

Oui, il y a plein de choses à ajouter, on est vraiment à une v0 de type
"PoC" ;)

> Par contre certains propriétaires pourraient être réticents à l'idée
> de voir des plans de leur commerce sur un site...

Une option serait un formulaire de demande de "take down" comme disent
les ricains...

>  
> Florian
> #WeAreFairphone
>

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Re: [talk-latam] Geotecnologías con jóvenes en Nicaragua

[Nosolosig]

Gran trabajo!, para ayudar a su difusión lo he publicado también en 
Nosolosig Geotecnologías libres, una herramienta para la participación 


Y gracias por citarnos en la publicación!!
Saludos,

José Ignacio Sánchez
*NOSOLOSIG*
www.nosolosig.com 
nosolo...@nosolosig.com
http://twitter.com/nosolosig

El 13/01/2016 a las 22:52, Felix Delattre escribió:

Hola querida comunidad:

les quiero compartir ésta publicación sobre nuestras actividades
utilizando Geotecnologías Libres (en particular OSM y su gran familia)
con niñas, niños, adolescentes y jóvenes en Bluefields, Nicaragua:

http://unicef.org.ni/publicacion/169/geotecnologias-una-herramienta-para-innovar/

El documento contiene una descripción de las actividades y el final
encuentran documentadas los elementos metodológicos que usamos para
nuestras fiestas de mapeo.

Saludos.
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Re: [Talk-cz] Telefonní budky

[Petr Vozdecký]

Toto bych navrhl spíše pro "manuální import" via maproulette. Pokud tedy 
trvá má zkušenost z dřívějška, že ty souřadnice byly v podstatě jen 
orientační... Musel by se najít někdo, kdo by data nejprve importoval do OSM
a pak někdo, kdo by hromadně transformoval do maproulettího formátu, vznikl 
by nový task a pak by šlo o to jej postupně zpracovávat, tedy díky 
maproulette procházet všechny body importu a kontrolovat, zda umístění 
odpovídá textovému popisu...

vop


-- Původní zpráva --
Od: Pavel Machek 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 21. 1. 2016 11:24:29
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Telefonní budky

"On Thu 2016-01-21 10:39:12, Jiří Vondál wrote:
> Ahoj,
> 
> chtěl bych opět oprášit téma telefonních budek (automatů). Už to bylo 
> zmiňováno v minulosti:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/2014-April/009729.html
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/2014-September/010682.
html
> 
> Stav je takový, že ČTÚ zveřejnil tento seznam:
> http://data.ctu.cz/dataset/verejne-telefonni-automaty-v-ramci-univerzalni-
sluzby/resource/478e31d4-e41e-4d77-831b
> 
> V seznamu jsou telefonní budky mimo Prahu, Brno, ... - nejspíš okresní 
města? 
> Namátkou jsem zkusil najít jednu budku a ta v OSM není -> tudíž odvozuji, 
že 
> import nebyl proveden. Nechtěl by se toho někdo zkušenější ujmout? Jsou 
tam 
> GPS souřadnice i s popisem místa.

On import technicky neni problem, ale "administrativne" je to celkem
opruz. Nekde na wiki je navod. Takze to nechce nekoho zkusenejsiho,
ale nekoho dobre motivovaneho ;-).

Pavel
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] BE Quarterly Project (Schools) - Go !

[Glenn Plas]

On 21-01-16 08:59, Jo wrote:
> Wow, that's great. I didn't realise you were that far along already.

Yeah, I was motivated but documenting all will probably take twice the
time, there are many things to account for and keep in mind, but I think
the method I used is pretty fast, it took me 3 weeks to do stekene and
it's not small.

> 
> Regarding the Replace Geometry tool. I think it makes sense to remap it
> to Shift-T.

I'll answer this with telling you my remap: "CTRL-shift-A"

Shift-T is what the terracing tools use to merge address nodes into ways.

Which I actually use a lot too during imports of AGIV, but right now,
the tool Sander wrote will become an even greater Q/A tool as it is very
wel suited to solve special addressing cases (1 building, 2 streets,
multiple housenumbers, errors in CRAB, they all float to the surface
now) after importing GRB (with address data).

I try to NOT to use GRB addresseses on any buildings that are special
and need human attention, with Sander's tool, it will detect missing
numbers and guide the editor to the solution.

Glenn


> 
> Then you can use Shift to select 2 buildings, move finger to 't' and
> poof, done.



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Re: [Talk-it] strade chiuse in inverno

[Max1234Ita]

Grazie Martin! :-)
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] BE Quarterly Project (Schools) - Go !

[Glenn Plas]

>> Then you can use Shift to select 2 buildings, move finger to 't' and
>> poof, done.

http://aptum.bitless.be/movies/stek12.avi

You don't even need to select those 2 buildings in most cases:

- run the validator
- navigate to and select warnings like 'crossing buildings', 'building
inside building'.
- Now the offenders are both already selected. You can merge after
visually confirming that it's 'the same building'.  Sometimes it's not
selecting the correct ones, but adjacent buildings.
- press replace geometry hotkey
- fix any merge warnings.

common ones are : building=yes on original vs. building=shed on GRB import.

Any existing tag conflict will throw another dialogue up, so it helps to
rename in advance, for example, on size, anything smaller than 10m2 is a
shed (=this kind of equals how GRB works).  So when both versions have
building=shed, you will not get the dialogue and are able to select the
next validator issue.

The validator is a real tool here, not just something to use at the end,
it's a speed booster too.

Glenn




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[Talk-GB] Rendering of layers

[Stuart Reynolds]

Hi,

I made a number of adjustments around the transport terminus at Gatwick Airport 
South Terminal yesterday. When this was first mapped, what is actually three 
buildings (the railway station, the covered travelators from the bus station & 
car parks, and the southern stairs from the railway platforms) were all mapped 
as one building, and the platforms were “inserts” into the gaps rather than 
being the continuous entities that they are. So I have separated those all out, 
and made the platforms a continuous block. I also added internal escalators and 
travelators, although that is immaterial to the question that I’m about to ask.

The buildings are all mapped as layer=1, and the platforms without any layer 
tag (which should default them to layer=0, AFAIK). So why are the platforms and 
rail tracks (which I haven’t touched) been rendered over the buildings, rather 
than under them?

See http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.15634/-0.16124

Thanks
Stuart



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] BE Quarterly Project (Schools) - Go !

[Marc Gemis]

Glenn,
thanks a lot for the hard work and the explanation. It looks very promising !
If you want a beta tester on OSX, feel free to contact me

Any idea how the "roofs" attached to a building look like after
importing ? On the GRB images you see them as areas filled with
diagonal lines.
Just curious whether they are part of the building or are separate "buildings".

m

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Glenn Plas  wrote:
>>> Then you can use Shift to select 2 buildings, move finger to 't' and
>>> poof, done.
>
> http://aptum.bitless.be/movies/stek12.avi
>
> You don't even need to select those 2 buildings in most cases:
>
> - run the validator
> - navigate to and select warnings like 'crossing buildings', 'building
> inside building'.
> - Now the offenders are both already selected. You can merge after
> visually confirming that it's 'the same building'.  Sometimes it's not
> selecting the correct ones, but adjacent buildings.
> - press replace geometry hotkey
> - fix any merge warnings.
>
> common ones are : building=yes on original vs. building=shed on GRB import.
>
> Any existing tag conflict will throw another dialogue up, so it helps to
> rename in advance, for example, on size, anything smaller than 10m2 is a
> shed (=this kind of equals how GRB works).  So when both versions have
> building=shed, you will not get the dialogue and are able to select the
> next validator issue.
>
> The validator is a real tool here, not just something to use at the end,
> it's a speed booster too.
>
> Glenn
>
>
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[Talk-cz] Telefonní budky

[Jiří Vondál]

Ahoj,

chtěl bych opět oprášit téma telefonních budek (automatů). Už to bylo 
zmiňováno v minulosti:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/2014-April/009729.html
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/2014-September/010682.html

Stav je takový, že ČTÚ zveřejnil tento seznam:
http://data.ctu.cz/dataset/verejne-telefonni-automaty-v-ramci-univerzalni-sluzby/resource/478e31d4-e41e-4d77-831b

V seznamu jsou telefonní budky mimo Prahu, Brno, ... - nejspíš okresní města? 
Namátkou jsem zkusil najít jednu budku a ta v OSM není -> tudíž odvozuji, že 
import nebyl proveden. Nechtěl by se toho někdo zkušenější ujmout? Jsou tam 
GPS souřadnice i s popisem místa.

Taky jsem nedávnou procházel několik budek v Brně a mazal jsem je, protože už 
neexistovaly. Buď jsem ta místa znal, nebo jsem používal street view. Tohle 
asi bude ruční práce, jedině, že by se někomu podařilo přemluvit Telefonicu, 
aby ta data poskytla.


Jura

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Re: [Talk-cz] Telefonní budky

[Pavel Machek]

On Thu 2016-01-21 10:39:12, Jiří Vondál wrote:
> Ahoj,
> 
> chtěl bych opět oprášit téma telefonních budek (automatů). Už to bylo 
> zmiňováno v minulosti:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/2014-April/009729.html
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/2014-September/010682.html
> 
> Stav je takový, že ČTÚ zveřejnil tento seznam:
> http://data.ctu.cz/dataset/verejne-telefonni-automaty-v-ramci-univerzalni-sluzby/resource/478e31d4-e41e-4d77-831b
> 
> V seznamu jsou telefonní budky mimo Prahu, Brno, ... - nejspíš okresní města? 
> Namátkou jsem zkusil najít jednu budku a ta v OSM není -> tudíž odvozuji, že 
> import nebyl proveden. Nechtěl by se toho někdo zkušenější ujmout? Jsou tam 
> GPS souřadnice i s popisem místa.

On import technicky neni problem, ale "administrativne" je to celkem
opruz. Nekde na wiki je navod. Takze to nechce nekoho zkusenejsiho,
ale nekoho dobre motivovaneho ;-).

Pavel
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Re: [Talk-it] Proposta nuovo tag per scala difficoltà per sentieri escursionistici Club Alpino Italiano

[Luca Delucchi]

2016-01-20 15:38 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>
> più alta di cosa, se è la stessa per tutto il sentiero? ;-)
>

il grado di difficoltà più alto ;-)

>
> OK, quindi parliamo di importare i dati della CAI, non di usare la scala
> della CAI?
>

non necessariamente di importare i dati, ma il livello della
difficoltà in generale il CAI lo applica all'intero sentiero e non al
singolo tratto

> Ciao,
> Martin
>

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Re: [Talk-cz] Nový nástroj na detekci podezřelých changesetů

[Jan Breuer]

Dne 21. ledna 2016 9:48 Marián Kyral  napsal(a):

> Ahoj,
> Pascal Neils publikoval první verzi nástroje na detekci potenciálně
> podezřelých changesetů.
> http://neis-one.org/2016/01/suspicious-osm/
>
> Ukazuje changesety uživatelů ne podle data registrace, ale podle počtu
> mapovacích dní. Dají se tak tedy kontrolovat changesety začátečníků a
> potenciálních vandalů.
>
> A hned jsem našel tuto podivnou změnu:
> https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=36704688
>
> Z administrativní hranice se stala cesta. Zřejmě nepozorností. Může na to
> prosím někdo znalý mrknout?
>
> Díky,
> Marián
>

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[OSM-talk-fr] Offre de stage SIG - Geovelo

[GaelADT]

Bonjour à toutes et à tous,

Je me permets de vous envoyer ce mail pour diffuser une offre de stage SIG /
Traitement de données (avec un peu de développement dedans).

Geovelo recherche un stagiaire sur Tours pour une période de 3 mois minimum
et disponible dès que possible.

Voici le lien vers l'offre complète :
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B13Ky7F87PgJRlhUTjZKTGphTnc/view?usp=sharing

Pour les personnes intéressées, envoyez-nous vos candidatures (Un CV et une
lettre de motivation) à l'adresse j...@geovelo.fr ! Nous ne sélectionnerons
que les candidatures envoyées à cette adresse.

En vous souhaitant une bonne journée à toutes et à tous et en attente de
vous rencontrer en entretien,

Cyclablement,

Gaël.




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[Talk-it] contatti col CAI di Bergamo

[Alessandro Palmas]

Qualcuno di voi ha contatti col la sezione di Bergamo?

Hanno un bel portale http://geoportale.caibergamo.it ma non ho idea 
(penso di no) se ci siano contatti tra loro e OSM


Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT


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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMSchools - Tagging question Outdoor Education Centre

[Dan S]

Hi,

I don't have a good answer, but I had a similar problem when trying to
tag a "Go Ape" outdoor centre last year. If you search for "Go Ape"
you find many different taggings around the country, including:

leisure=sports_centre
tourism=attraction
tourism=theme_park
leisure=high_ropes_course
leisure=playground

Possibly one of the top three is suitable for this? I'd like to hear
what other people think.

Best
Dan

2016-01-20 23:17 GMT+00:00  :
> Hi again,
>
> thanks for the responses to my last question.
>
> I'm now trying to correct the tagging for an Outdoor Education Centre. It
> has been tagged (understandably in my point of view) as amenity=school but
> obviously isn't a school. So the question is, what should it be tagged as?
> I've looked through the wiki and can't see anything relevant but I'm aware
> that the knowledge in this group sometimes surpasses that of the wiki.
>
> The centre in question is Lagganlia http://www.lagganlia.com/ near Aviemore
> in the Highlands which is owned by City of Edinburgh. I fondly remember
> going there 3 or 4 times for Geography field trips and school skiing weeks
> 20 years ago.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Al.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] BE Quarterly Project (Schools) - Go !

[Jo]

Marc,

You mean the tool for the BAG import? Well they must have rewritten it by
now, as they are in 'maintenance' mode, nowadays. I haven't looked into it
very deeply, it's simply something that occurred to me on their
'nieuwjaarsborrel'. They already have a tool that works and it could work
for us as well if we can feed it our data.

Jo


2016-01-21 9:25 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis :

> You know that they usually threw away any data that was already there
> ? I don't know whether the tool allowed you to do it better.
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Jo  wrote:
> > About that CRAB import. In The Netherlands they already created a tool to
> > assist with that for their BAG import. I think we should look into
> reusing
> > that, adapted to the data we have available.
> >
> > Polyglot
> >
> > 2016-01-21 5:35 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis :
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Jasper Michels <
> jaspermich...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It was mentioned that there exist free datasets for the flemish part.
> >>> (and cant we import the building outlines of Agiv?)
> >>
> >>
> >> At this moment someone is working on converting the GRB data into
> >> something that can be "easily" imported.
> >>
> >> I've put "easily" between quotes, because it will still be a lot of work
> >> in areas where there are already buildings. The reason is that we
> should try
> >> to keep the history and data of the existing buildings. With data I
> mean POI
> >> info, heritage information, house name, 3D, building type, etc. Even
> when
> >> there is no information, it is polite to keep the names of the previous
> >> mappers in the history of the OSM way. I do not like an approach where
> all
> >> existing data is deleted.
> >>
> >> I have been replacing old AND data and buildings that I had traced from
> >> Bing imagery with data based on AGIV aerial images and recently with GRB
> >> data. It is labor intensive.
> >>
> >> The scenario  that I follow is
> >>
> >> * move the old house out of the way
> >> * redraw based on GRB
> >> * replace geometry of old building with new (from utilsplugin2). this
> >> keeps the history
> >> * drop source=AND
> >> * add building type based on aerial images and add address (address from
> >> AGIV) using housenumbertool
> >>
> >> Sometimes (with a lot of connected houses), I just try to reshape the
> old
> >> building way, because moving all houses out of the way is more
> difficult.
> >>
> >> With an import you do not have to do the drawing, but you still need to
> do
> >> the replace geometry. The other steps that you have to perform depends
> on
> >> the import data: is the building type correct ? is the address data
> already
> >> merged ?
> >>
> >> Since this is so much work to correct, it's a pitty to see that some
> power
> >> mappers are rushing through the current address data and only add rough
> >> approximations of the buildings. L-shaped buildings become rectangles,
> in
> >> terraces half of the buildings are ignored. Correcting this afterwards,
> >> might take more time than trying to do it correctly the first time
> around.
> >>
> >> In conclusion, you can already draw the buildings based on GRB now. No
> >> need to wait until the import is ready. For most buildings this is not
> too
> >> difficult. Churches and similar buildings with a lot of extrusions
> might be
> >> left until the import data is ready.
> >>
> >> just my .5 cents
> >>
> >> regards
> >>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OpenEvacMap...

[Christian Quest]

Quelle propriété intellectuelle ? Ces plans n'ont en principe aucune
originalité, ils sont définit par une nome AFNOR. Il ne s'agit donc pas
"d'oeuvres".

C'est un point de vue qui ne sera sûrement pas partagé unanimement, mais je
l'assume, surtout lorsqu'il s'agit de sauver des vies.

Pour l'usage en carto indoor, c'est moins évident... le statut est en effet
flou.

Il y a aussi des questions légitimes sur la diffusion publique massive de
ces plans. L'outil actuel est un PIC et c'est en l'alimentant qu'on verra
peut être si il y a un réel problème ou pas.


Le 20 janvier 2016 à 14:58, dHuy Pierre  a écrit :

> Bonjour cquest,
> Penses-tu qu'il soit possible d'utiliser les support de plan d'évacuation
> pour la carto indoor?
> Comment as-tu géré la question de la propriété intellectuelle des
> dits-plans?
> Y a/aura-t-il des contributeurs publics?
> Librement,
>
>
> Le Dimanche 17 janvier 2016 17h13, Christian Quest <
> cqu...@openstreetmap.fr> a écrit :
>
>
> Ce week-end se tenait à l'école 42 le hackathon NecMergitur organisé par
> la Ville de Paris, la préfecture de Police, Etalab...
>
> J'ai proposé un projet de collecte des plans d'évacuation. Vous
> trouverez une présentation sur
> https://cquest.hackpad.com/OpenEvacMap-fslfSbDRGC2
>
> Notre équipe a travaillé à la réalisation d'une webapp destinée à
> fonctionner sur smartphone, mais qui fonctionne aussi sur un navigateur
> classique.
>
> On peut consulter les plans à proximité, et on peut uploader un nouveau
> plan en le liant à une adresse et en précisant si besoin l'étage, le
> bâtiment, le nom du lieu.
>
> Vous pouvez essayer ici: http://openevacmap.org/
>
> C'est encore très très BETA, l'upload de photo n'a pas été testé à fond.
>
> Une carte umap permet de visualiser l'activité des 2 dernières heures,
> une façon de détecter d'éventuels évènements problématiques...
> http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/heatmap-dactivite-openevacmap_67099
>
> Le projet est sur github: https://github.com/openevacmap/
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] BE Quarterly Project (Schools) - Go !

[Jo]

Wow, that's great. I didn't realise you were that far along already.

Regarding the Replace Geometry tool. I think it makes sense to remap it to
Shift-T.

Then you can use Shift to select 2 buildings, move finger to 't' and poof,
done.

Jo

2016-01-21 9:52 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas :

> Since I've now written a tool to do this (and tested it), guess I have
> to react now :)
>
> On 21-01-16 05:38, Jo wrote:
> > About that CRAB import. In The Netherlands they already created a tool
> > to assist with that for their BAG import. I think we should look into
> > reusing that, adapted to the data we have available.
>
> We can't use that tool.  If you take a look at the BAG import data, it's
> not really well done, in Holland most of the addressing is done on
> nodes, it's not merged into the building, which is what we do here, and
> it has many advantages to do it on the way.  Also, using that tool will
> actually cause problems at the border, since houses (in Stekene) are
> aparantly in both BAG and GRB when they are visible from Belgium.  I
> made sure to be able to safeguard both BAG and GRB data for those.
>
> I've written a tool to import GRB shapefiles and merge address data that
> comes with it.  I still need to write a blog post on all that research,
> I'm lacking some time.
>
> Basically, we need to import the shape file in JOSM, save it as an osm
> (xml). and then run it through the (CLI) script to adapt the keys/tag's
> to osm and to merge basic address information to the node.  There are
> .DBF (yes, that will be dbase ) files included when getting a full
> export, but that isn't perfect, there are still issues with both GRB
> addresses and CRAB, but it's a great way to not having to do it manually.
>
> We have introduced a set of tags, after some discussion with Sander, I
> believe is enough to start with.   See
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/384159892#map=19/51.20779/4.07462
>
> Stekene has been the testing grounds for the import, since it was quite
> the empty place.
>
> >
> > At this moment someone is working on converting the GRB data into
> > something that can be "easily" imported.
> >
> > I've put "easily" between quotes, because it will still be a lot of
> > work in areas where there are already buildings. The reason is that
> > we should try to keep the history and data of the existing
> > buildings. With data I mean POI info, heritage information, house
> > name, 3D, building type, etc. Even when there is no information, it
> > is polite to keep the names of the previous mappers in the history
> > of the OSM way. I do not like an approach where all existing data is
> > deleted.
>
>
> This is to be done with JOSM plugins, "Replace geometry" . that plugin
> is the whole center of the solution.  This way you get to keep the
> history too.
>
> >
> > I have been replacing old AND data and buildings that I had traced
> > from Bing imagery with data based on AGIV aerial images and recently
> > with GRB data. It is labor intensive.
>
> Yes, but this source part is automated well.
>
> >
> > The scenario  that I follow is
> >
> > * move the old house out of the way
> > * redraw based on GRB
> > * replace geometry of old building with new (from utilsplugin2).
> > this keeps the history
> > * drop source=AND
> > * add building type based on aerial images and add address (address
> > from AGIV) using housenumbertool
>
> The way to do it is :
>
> -preparse the shape file and save as xml (osm) in JOSM
> -  to adapt keys add addressing, run the tool, it will create the
> correct tags.
> -use 2 layers, copy/paste from 1 layer to the existing layers (just
> overlay)
> -run the validator, fix the warnings first, select crossing buildings,
> and press CTRL-Shift-G (Replace geometry).  Done!
> - Fix other warnings (there are plenty, but fixable)
>
> Building type is automated.
>
> >
> > Sometimes (with a lot of connected houses), I just try to reshape
> > the old building way, because moving all houses out of the way is
> > more difficult.
> >
> > With an import you do not have to do the drawing, but you still need
> > to do the replace geometry. The other steps that you have to perform
> > depends on the import data: is the building type correct ? is the
> > address data already merged ?
> >
> > Since this is so much work to correct, it's a pitty to see that some
> > power mappers are rushing through the current address data and only
> > add rough approximations of the buildings. L-shaped buildings become
> > rectangles, in terraces half of the buildings are ignored.
> > Correcting this afterwards, might take more time than trying to do
> > it correctly the first time around.
>
> Drawing buildings at the moment is indeed making it harder, but it's a
> very good check for every building.
>
> Here's a text dump of what the tool does:
>
> > 

Re: [Talk-it] Josm non tiene conto della distanza sull'asse Z

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2016-01-20 23:13 GMT+01:00 Damjan Gerl :

> Poi se tu vorresti calcolare la distanza con il dislivello solo di un gpx
> (o altra traccia fatta con gps o altro che abbia anche le altezze) è
> un'altra storia... bisognerebbe trovare un tool che abbia questa funzione.
>


come già scritto sopra, più dettagliato/fitto il tuo dtm (oppure più punti
che raccogli col gps al secondo), più aumenta il cambiamento di altezza
(perché stai calcolando la differenza tra un punto ed il prossimo). Poi
anche in orrizontale la lunghezza aumenta se metti più punti nel way (se
metti più dettaglio nelle curve).

Ciao,
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OpenEvacMap...

[Otourly Wiki]

Hello,Curieux ici le site n'en fini pas de mouliner.Peut-être il faudrait 
mettre une page concernant l'utilisation des données et le but du site.Par 
contre certains propriétaires pourraient être réticents à l'idée de voir des 
plans de leur commerce sur un site... Florian
#WeAreFairphone
 

Le Jeudi 21 janvier 2016 9h47, Christian Quest  a 
écrit :
 

 Quelle propriété intellectuelle ? Ces plans n'ont en principe aucune 
originalité, ils sont définit par une nome AFNOR. Il ne s'agit donc pas 
"d'oeuvres".

C'est un point de vue qui ne sera sûrement pas partagé unanimement, mais je 
l'assume, surtout lorsqu'il s'agit de sauver des vies.

Pour l'usage en carto indoor, c'est moins évident... le statut est en effet 
flou.

Il y a aussi des questions légitimes sur la diffusion publique massive de ces 
plans. L'outil actuel est un PIC et c'est en l'alimentant qu'on verra peut être 
si il y a un réel problème ou pas.


Le 20 janvier 2016 à 14:58, dHuy Pierre  a écrit :

Bonjour cquest,Penses-tu qu'il soit possible d'utiliser les support de plan 
d'évacuation pour la carto indoor?Comment as-tu géré la question de la 
propriété intellectuelle des dits-plans?Y a/aura-t-il des contributeurs 
publics?Librement, 

Le Dimanche 17 janvier 2016 17h13, Christian Quest 
 a écrit :
 

 Ce week-end se tenait à l'école 42 le hackathon NecMergitur organisé par
la Ville de Paris, la préfecture de Police, Etalab...

J'ai proposé un projet de collecte des plans d'évacuation. Vous
trouverez une présentation sur
https://cquest.hackpad.com/OpenEvacMap-fslfSbDRGC2

Notre équipe a travaillé à la réalisation d'une webapp destinée à
fonctionner sur smartphone, mais qui fonctionne aussi sur un navigateur
classique.

On peut consulter les plans à proximité, et on peut uploader un nouveau
plan en le liant à une adresse et en précisant si besoin l'étage, le
bâtiment, le nom du lieu.

Vous pouvez essayer ici: http://openevacmap.org/

C'est encore très très BETA, l'upload de photo n'a pas été testé à fond.

Une carte umap permet de visualiser l'activité des 2 dernières heures,
une façon de détecter d'éventuels évènements problématiques...
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/heatmap-dactivite-openevacmap_67099

Le projet est sur github: https://github.com/openevacmap/

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Re: [Talk-cz] Nový nástroj na detekci podezřelých changesetů

[Marián Kyral]

-- Původní zpráva --
Od: Jan Breuer 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 21. 1. 2016 11:03:39
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Nový nástroj na detekci podezřelých changesetů

"



Dne 21. ledna 2016 9:48 Marián Kyral  napsal(a):
"
Ahoj,
Pascal Neils publikoval první verzi nástroje na detekci potenciálně 
podezřelých changesetů.
http://neis-one.org/2016/01/suspicious-osm/
(http://neis-one.org/2016/01/suspicious-osm/)

Ukazuje changesety uživatelů ne podle data registrace, ale podle počtu 
mapovacích dní. Dají se tak tedy kontrolovat changesety začátečníků a 
potenciálních vandalů.

A hned jsem našel tuto podivnou změnu: https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?
changeset=36704688(https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=36704688)

Z administrativní hranice se stala cesta. Zřejmě nepozorností. Může na to 
prosím někdo znalý mrknout?

Díky,
Marián

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Re: [Talk-it] Josm non tiene conto della distanza sull'asse Z

[Volker Schmidt]

2016-01-20 23:38 GMT+01:00 Andrea Albani :

> Questo sito [1] penso ti possa aiutare.
> Una volta caricato un gpx con le quote in fondo al report trovi
> l'informazione che cerchi,
>
> Ciao
>
> [1] http://utrack.crempa.net/
>

Se parliamo di calcolare l'ascent/descent di un percorso siamo nelle sabbie
mobili.
Il risultato per lo stesso percorso dipende di un numero di fattori:

   - densità dei punti di misura dell'elevazione
   - precisione della posizione (orizzontale) dei punti di misurazione
   dell'elevazione
   - precisione verticale delle misure di elevazione
   - frequenza di scansione dei punti del tracciato (se misurati con GPS)
   - precisione delle coordinate (orizzontali) del GPS
   - precisione della mappa (se lavori con percorsi rilevati dalla mappa e
   non misurati con GPS)
   - ...

Per illustrare la difficoltà prendiamo due casi estremi:

   - se ho solo il punto iniziale e il punto finale, il mio calcolo con
   Pitagora vale e da il valore minimale della salita totale.
   - L'altro estremo è di aumentare la precisione di tutti gli elementi
   coinvolti. Se li porti verso il molto piccolo, il risultato cresce oltre
   limiti. Immaginiamo che misuriamo ad ogni millimetro di percorso l'altezza
   (entrambi con una precisione infinita): cosi ogni sassolino contribuisce
   alla salita totale

L'arte è di trovare valori "ragionevoli" per tutte le misure. Non c'è
un'unico set di valori per i vari parametri di misura che è "coretto".
Se metti lo stesso GPX su vari siti che ti calcolano i valori di total
ascent e descent, i risultati variano parecchio, anche del 100%. Peggio
ancora per il l'inclinazione ad ogni punto del percorso, una cosa che è
decisiva se scegli un percorso per un viaggio in bicicletta, per esempio.

Questi aspetti fondamentali della misura sono molto più importanti al
livello pratico dell'errore di proiezione sulla superficie terrestre, che
era l'argomento del post originale.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] BE Quarterly Project (Schools) - Go !

[Marc Gemis]

You know that they usually threw away any data that was already there
? I don't know whether the tool allowed you to do it better.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Jo  wrote:
> About that CRAB import. In The Netherlands they already created a tool to
> assist with that for their BAG import. I think we should look into reusing
> that, adapted to the data we have available.
>
> Polyglot
>
> 2016-01-21 5:35 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis :
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Jasper Michels 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It was mentioned that there exist free datasets for the flemish part.
>>> (and cant we import the building outlines of Agiv?)
>>
>>
>> At this moment someone is working on converting the GRB data into
>> something that can be "easily" imported.
>>
>> I've put "easily" between quotes, because it will still be a lot of work
>> in areas where there are already buildings. The reason is that we should try
>> to keep the history and data of the existing buildings. With data I mean POI
>> info, heritage information, house name, 3D, building type, etc. Even when
>> there is no information, it is polite to keep the names of the previous
>> mappers in the history of the OSM way. I do not like an approach where all
>> existing data is deleted.
>>
>> I have been replacing old AND data and buildings that I had traced from
>> Bing imagery with data based on AGIV aerial images and recently with GRB
>> data. It is labor intensive.
>>
>> The scenario  that I follow is
>>
>> * move the old house out of the way
>> * redraw based on GRB
>> * replace geometry of old building with new (from utilsplugin2). this
>> keeps the history
>> * drop source=AND
>> * add building type based on aerial images and add address (address from
>> AGIV) using housenumbertool
>>
>> Sometimes (with a lot of connected houses), I just try to reshape the old
>> building way, because moving all houses out of the way is more difficult.
>>
>> With an import you do not have to do the drawing, but you still need to do
>> the replace geometry. The other steps that you have to perform depends on
>> the import data: is the building type correct ? is the address data already
>> merged ?
>>
>> Since this is so much work to correct, it's a pitty to see that some power
>> mappers are rushing through the current address data and only add rough
>> approximations of the buildings. L-shaped buildings become rectangles, in
>> terraces half of the buildings are ignored. Correcting this afterwards,
>> might take more time than trying to do it correctly the first time around.
>>
>> In conclusion, you can already draw the buildings based on GRB now. No
>> need to wait until the import is ready. For most buildings this is not too
>> difficult. Churches and similar buildings with a lot of extrusions might be
>> left until the import data is ready.
>>
>> just my .5 cents
>>
>> regards
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] BE Quarterly Project (Schools) - Go !

[Glenn Plas]

Since I've now written a tool to do this (and tested it), guess I have
to react now :)

On 21-01-16 05:38, Jo wrote:
> About that CRAB import. In The Netherlands they already created a tool
> to assist with that for their BAG import. I think we should look into
> reusing that, adapted to the data we have available.

We can't use that tool.  If you take a look at the BAG import data, it's
not really well done, in Holland most of the addressing is done on
nodes, it's not merged into the building, which is what we do here, and
it has many advantages to do it on the way.  Also, using that tool will
actually cause problems at the border, since houses (in Stekene) are
aparantly in both BAG and GRB when they are visible from Belgium.  I
made sure to be able to safeguard both BAG and GRB data for those.

I've written a tool to import GRB shapefiles and merge address data that
comes with it.  I still need to write a blog post on all that research,
I'm lacking some time.

Basically, we need to import the shape file in JOSM, save it as an osm
(xml). and then run it through the (CLI) script to adapt the keys/tag's
to osm and to merge basic address information to the node.  There are
.DBF (yes, that will be dbase ) files included when getting a full
export, but that isn't perfect, there are still issues with both GRB
addresses and CRAB, but it's a great way to not having to do it manually.

We have introduced a set of tags, after some discussion with Sander, I
believe is enough to start with.   See
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/384159892#map=19/51.20779/4.07462

Stekene has been the testing grounds for the import, since it was quite
the empty place.

> 
> At this moment someone is working on converting the GRB data into
> something that can be "easily" imported.
> 
> I've put "easily" between quotes, because it will still be a lot of
> work in areas where there are already buildings. The reason is that
> we should try to keep the history and data of the existing
> buildings. With data I mean POI info, heritage information, house
> name, 3D, building type, etc. Even when there is no information, it
> is polite to keep the names of the previous mappers in the history
> of the OSM way. I do not like an approach where all existing data is
> deleted.


This is to be done with JOSM plugins, "Replace geometry" . that plugin
is the whole center of the solution.  This way you get to keep the
history too.

> 
> I have been replacing old AND data and buildings that I had traced
> from Bing imagery with data based on AGIV aerial images and recently
> with GRB data. It is labor intensive.

Yes, but this source part is automated well.

> 
> The scenario  that I follow is
> 
> * move the old house out of the way
> * redraw based on GRB
> * replace geometry of old building with new (from utilsplugin2).
> this keeps the history
> * drop source=AND
> * add building type based on aerial images and add address (address
> from AGIV) using housenumbertool

The way to do it is :

-preparse the shape file and save as xml (osm) in JOSM
-  to adapt keys add addressing, run the tool, it will create the
correct tags.
-use 2 layers, copy/paste from 1 layer to the existing layers (just overlay)
-run the validator, fix the warnings first, select crossing buildings,
and press CTRL-Shift-G (Replace geometry).  Done!
- Fix other warnings (there are plenty, but fixable)

Building type is automated.

> 
> Sometimes (with a lot of connected houses), I just try to reshape
> the old building way, because moving all houses out of the way is
> more difficult.
> 
> With an import you do not have to do the drawing, but you still need
> to do the replace geometry. The other steps that you have to perform
> depends on the import data: is the building type correct ? is the
> address data already merged ?
> 
> Since this is so much work to correct, it's a pitty to see that some
> power mappers are rushing through the current address data and only
> add rough approximations of the buildings. L-shaped buildings become
> rectangles, in terraces half of the buildings are ignored.
> Correcting this afterwards, might take more time than trying to do
> it correctly the first time around.

Drawing buildings at the moment is indeed making it harder, but it's a
very good check for every building.

Here's a text dump of what the tool does:

> glenn@slicky:~/Downloads/stekene/Shapefile$ ./grb2osm.php -f 
> TblAdpAdr46024B500.dbf,TblGbgAdr46024B500.dbf -i stekkie.xml -o stek.osm
> 2016-01-21 08:47:09 [23849]:[3]notic - [OsmTool::open_db] - Start
> 2016-01-21 08:47:09 [23849]:[2]info  - [OsmTool::open_db] - Trying to open 
> DBase DB TblAdpAdr46024B500.dbf
> 2016-01-21 08:47:09 [23849]:[2]info  - [OsmTool::open_db] - Opened 
> TblAdpAdr46024B500.dbf
> 2016-01-21 08:47:09 [23849]:[3]notic - [OsmTool::open_db] - Reading records...
> 2016-01-21 

Re: [OSM-talk-be] University tagging

[Ruben Maes]

Thursday 21 January 2016 12:57:09, Ben Laenen:
> After some more googling, this site has a perfect overview of all the levels 
> in Flanders:
> 
> http://vlaamsekwalificatiestructuur.be/wat-is-vks/kwalificatieniveaus/

Aha, so would we also want a vks:level tag? Or just apply ISCED levels?

I tried to figure it all out based on [1] and [2]. ([2] applies ISCED 1997 to 
our Flemish structure, but we're mapping ISCED 2011. Wikipedia provides a 
comparison of those two schemes.) This becomes:
__

VKS 19972011Name
Basischool
/   0   0   Kleuteronderwijs
1   1   1   Lager onderwijs

Middelbare school
/   2   2   1ste graad secundair onderwijs

2   /   /   2de graad BSO
/   /   /   2de graad ASO, TSO, KSO

3   3   3   3de graad BSO; deeltijds 
beroepssecundair onderwijs
4   3   3   3de graad ASO, TSO, KSO

4   4   4   Extra jaar ASO, TSO, KSO, of 
BSO of specialisatie BSO

Hogeschool
5   5B  5   HBO5
6   5B  5   Professionele bachelor
7   5B? 5?  Master (of arts of zo?)

Universiteit
6   5A  6   Academische bachelor
7   5A  7   Master
8   6   8   Doctoraat
__

A slash denotes that the scale does not have a level for the end of that grade.

I can't get my head around masters in hogescholen. I can only find information 
about master of arts and don't know for sure at what level those are.

So for example tagging a secondary school without BSO or extra years would be:
vks:level=4
isced:level=2;3

One with ASO, TSO, KSO and BSO, with or without specialisation:
vks:level=2;3;4
isced:level=2;3;4

One with only BSO without specialisation year:
vks:level=2;3
isced:level=2;3

With specialisation:
vks:level=2;3;4
isced:level=2;3;4

[1] http://vlaamsekwalificatiestructuur.be/wat-is-vks/kwalificatieniveaus/
[2] 
http://gpseducation.oecd.org/Content/MapOfEducationSystem/BEL/BEL_1997_EN.pdf 
(http://gpseducation.oecd.org/Content/MapOfEducationSystem/BEL/BEL_1997_LL.pdf 
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Re: [OSRM-talk] Multi-threaded calls to the C++ library interface

[Richard Marsden]

Daniel,
Excellent!
Thanks for the quick reply.

Richard

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:32 PM, Daniel Patterson  wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
>   Yes, it works, this is what osrm-routed does, there is only a single
> instance of the OSRM object shared between multiple threads:
>
> https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/develop/src/tools/routed.cpp#L105
>
>   It works either with the internal facade, or the shared memory option.
>
> Daniel
>
> On Jan 20, 2016 8:25 PM, "Richard Marsden"  wrote:
>>
>> Is it possible to have multi-threaded (i.e. multiple simultaneous)
>> calls using the C++ library interface?
>>
>> E.g. with one "OSRM" object shared between the threads; or with
>> multiple OSRM objects, one per thread?
>>
>> Presumably the latter case would be memory hungry, but enabling
>> shared_memory in the libosrm_config would help...?
>>
>> The scenario I'm looking at would use the same road/graph files.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-it] Mail nuovi utenti

[Federico Cortese]

2016-01-07 12:26 GMT+01:00 Luca Delucchi :
>
> Il 07/gen/2016 11:37 AM, "Alessandro Palmas"
>  ha scritto:
>>
>> Il 07/01/2016 11:03, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto:
>>>
>>> grazie, ha aggiornato il mio template...
>>>
>>> ciao,
>>> Martin
>>>
>>
>> OK, ma parliamone che magari è ancora migliorabile ;-)
>>
>
> Magari possiamo riportarlo nel wiki in modo da averci una versione
> aggiornata con uno storico...
>

Quella di inserire il template nella wiki mi sembra un'ottima proposta.
Martin cosa ne pensi, visto che il tuo modello aggiornato mi sembra l'ideale?

Ciao
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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing Starbucks Wikipedia Tags (Was Nominatim Weakness)

[Clifford Snow]

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 6:51 AM, Philip Barnes  wrote:

> Still having problems,  now a search on Starbucks is returning ones in
> Thailand.  Can these tags be removed too?


I have a message into two of the mappers that added most of the Starbucks
in Thailand asking for their help. From my conversations with another Thai
mapper, most mappers in Thailand read English. The message was just sent
yesterday so let's give them a few days.

Clifford


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[OSRM-talk] Avoid highways

[lorenzo]

Hi Everybody,

 

Is it possible with OSRM to create an option which permits to avoid highways
once we have generated the main route?

Like in google maps in which we have a check-box.

 

Thanks in advance and best regards,

Lorenzo Bonora  

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] University tagging

[Marc Gemis]

This could be added to the BENELUX preset for JOSM if you want. Just
let me know when you agree on the tagging. Or add it yourself to
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Presets/BENELUX   :-)

regards

m

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Ruben Maes  wrote:
> Thursday 21 January 2016 12:57:09, Ben Laenen:
>> After some more googling, this site has a perfect overview of all the levels
>> in Flanders:
>>
>> http://vlaamsekwalificatiestructuur.be/wat-is-vks/kwalificatieniveaus/
>
> Aha, so would we also want a vks:level tag? Or just apply ISCED levels?
>
> I tried to figure it all out based on [1] and [2]. ([2] applies ISCED 1997 to 
> our Flemish structure, but we're mapping ISCED 2011. Wikipedia provides a 
> comparison of those two schemes.) This becomes:
> __
>
> VKS 19972011Name
> Basischool
> /   0   0   Kleuteronderwijs
> 1   1   1   Lager onderwijs
>
> Middelbare school
> /   2   2   1ste graad secundair onderwijs
>
> 2   /   /   2de graad BSO
> /   /   /   2de graad ASO, TSO, KSO
>
> 3   3   3   3de graad BSO; deeltijds 
> beroepssecundair onderwijs
> 4   3   3   3de graad ASO, TSO, KSO
>
> 4   4   4   Extra jaar ASO, TSO, KSO, of 
> BSO of specialisatie BSO
>
> Hogeschool
> 5   5B  5   HBO5
> 6   5B  5   Professionele bachelor
> 7   5B? 5?  Master (of arts of zo?)
>
> Universiteit
> 6   5A  6   Academische bachelor
> 7   5A  7   Master
> 8   6   8   Doctoraat
> __
>
> A slash denotes that the scale does not have a level for the end of that 
> grade.
>
> I can't get my head around masters in hogescholen. I can only find 
> information about master of arts and don't know for sure at what level those 
> are.
>
> So for example tagging a secondary school without BSO or extra years would be:
> vks:level=4
> isced:level=2;3
>
> One with ASO, TSO, KSO and BSO, with or without specialisation:
> vks:level=2;3;4
> isced:level=2;3;4
>
> One with only BSO without specialisation year:
> vks:level=2;3
> isced:level=2;3
>
> With specialisation:
> vks:level=2;3;4
> isced:level=2;3;4
>
> [1] http://vlaamsekwalificatiestructuur.be/wat-is-vks/kwalificatieniveaus/
> [2] 
> http://gpseducation.oecd.org/Content/MapOfEducationSystem/BEL/BEL_1997_EN.pdf 
> (http://gpseducation.oecd.org/Content/MapOfEducationSystem/BEL/BEL_1997_LL.pdf
>  in Dutch for Flanders)
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Re: [OSRM-talk] Avoid highways

[Daniel Patterson]

Hi Lorenzo,

  Currently, that would require a separate "profile"; a completely separate 
database with the road network processed differently.  Our demo server only has 
the capacity to run one profile, and it takes many hours to generate a new one.

  There is a long-standing ticket here:

https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/issues/77 


  that talks about modifying the weighting algorithm so that we can maintain 
correct time estimates, but modify weighting so that certain road types are 
avoided.  The reason this hasn't been implemented is that it will probably 
require additional memory, and we are very hesitant to increase that.

daniel

  

> On Jan 21, 2016, at 6:43 AM, lorenzo  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everybody,
>  
> Is it possible with OSRM to create an option which permits to avoid highways 
> once we have generated the main route?
> Like in google maps in which we have a check-box.
>  
> Thanks in advance and best regards,
> Lorenzo Bonora  
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[Talk-co] Semanario Nr. 287

[Laura Barroso]

Hola, el semanario Nr. 287, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el
mundo de OpenStreetMap está en línea en español. Especial atención a
proyectos como: "Proyecto de Mapeo GB trimestral para el 2016" y
"Gallinazo Avisa" en Perú!
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[Talk-es] Semanario Nr. 287

[Laura Barroso]

Hola, el semanario Nr. 287, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el
mundo de OpenStreetMap está en línea en español. Especial atención a
proyectos como: "Proyecto de Mapeo GB trimestral para el 2016" y
"Gallinazo Avisa" en Perú!
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Re: [Talk-cz] Telefonní budky

[Marián Kyral]

Nebo POI-Importer - jestli je zájem, můžu připravit ukázku. Ale byrokracii 
kolem importu rád někomu přenechám ;-)

Marián


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Od: Petr Vozdecký 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 21. 1. 2016 15:09:18
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Telefonní budky

"
Toto bych navrhl spíše pro "manuální import" via maproulette. Pokud tedy 
trvá má zkušenost z dřívějška, že ty souřadnice byly v podstatě jen 
orientační... Musel by se najít někdo, kdo by data nejprve importoval do OSM
a pak někdo, kdo by hromadně transformoval do maproulettího formátu, vznikl 
by nový task a pak by šlo o to jej postupně zpracovávat, tedy díky 
maproulette procházet všechny body importu a kontrolovat, zda umístění 
odpovídá textovému popisu...

vop


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Od: Pavel Machek 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 21. 1. 2016 11:24:29
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Telefonní budky

"On Thu 2016-01-21 10:39:12, Jiří Vondál wrote:
> Ahoj,
> 
> chtěl bych opět oprášit téma telefonních budek (automatů). Už to bylo 
> zmiňováno v minulosti:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/2014-April/009729.html
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/2014-September/010682.
html
> 
> Stav je takový, že ČTÚ zveřejnil tento seznam:
> http://data.ctu.cz/dataset/verejne-telefonni-automaty-v-ramci-univerzalni-
sluzby/resource/478e31d4-e41e-4d77-831b
> 
> V seznamu jsou telefonní budky mimo Prahu, Brno, ... - nejspíš okresní 
města? 
> Namátkou jsem zkusil najít jednu budku a ta v OSM není -> tudíž odvozuji, 
že 
> import nebyl proveden. Nechtěl by se toho někdo zkušenější ujmout? Jsou 
tam 
> GPS souřadnice i s popisem místa.

On import technicky neni problem, ale "administrativne" je to celkem
opruz. Nekde na wiki je navod. Takze to nechce nekoho zkusenejsiho,
ale nekoho dobre motivovaneho ;-).

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Re: [Talk-cz] Telefonní budky

[jzvc]

Dne 21.1.2016 v 15:07 Petr Vozdecký napsal(a):

Toto bych navrhl spíše pro "manuální import" via maproulette. Pokud tedy
trvá má zkušenost z dřívějška, že ty souřadnice byly v podstatě jen
orientační... Musel by se najít někdo, kdo by data nejprve importoval do
OSM a pak někdo, kdo by hromadně transformoval do maproulettího formátu,
vznikl by nový task a pak by šlo o to jej postupně zpracovávat, tedy
díky maproulette procházet všechny body importu a kontrolovat, zda
umístění odpovídá textovému popisu...




Cus, random sem testnul par a vypada to, ze presnost je slusna - do 
2-3m. Umisteni konzultovano se streetview, pripadne lokalni znalosti.






vop

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Datum: 21. 1. 2016 11:24:29
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Telefonní budky


On Thu 2016-01-21 10:39:12, Jiří Vondál wrote:
 > Ahoj,
 >
 > chtěl bych opět oprášit téma telefonních budek (automatů). Už to
bylo
 > zmiňováno v minulosti:
 >
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/2014-April/009729.html
 >
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/2014-September/010682.html
 >
 > Stav je takový, že ČTÚ zveřejnil tento seznam:
 >

http://data.ctu.cz/dataset/verejne-telefonni-automaty-v-ramci-univerzalni-sluzby/resource/478e31d4-e41e-4d77-831b
 >
 > V seznamu jsou telefonní budky mimo Prahu, Brno, ... - nejspíš
okresní města?
 > Namátkou jsem zkusil najít jednu budku a ta v OSM není -> tudíž
odvozuji, že
 > import nebyl proveden. Nechtěl by se toho někdo zkušenější
ujmout? Jsou tam
 > GPS souřadnice i s popisem místa.

On import technicky neni problem, ale "administrativne" je to celkem
opruz. Nekde na wiki je navod. Takze to nechce nekoho zkusenejsiho,
ale nekoho dobre motivovaneho ;-).

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Re: [Talk-it] Proposta nuovo tag per scala difficoltà per sentieri escursionistici Club Alpino Italiano

[Alessandro Palmas]

Il 21/01/2016 16:28, Francesco Pelullo ha scritto:


Perché abbiamo accettato lo standard inglese senza ragionarci prima, 
ma ne abbiamo comunque parlato a lungo in lista.


Ripeto: non valuto la bontà o meno della classificazione CAI rispetto 
alla SAC, dico solo che una classificazione aderente alla realtà 
italiana non mi spiacerebbe, anche se doppia.




Ai tempi mi pareva fosse uscita la SAC (che è svizzera) quando in lista 
non se ne parlava ancora.


Come avevo già espresso alcuni giorni fa, pur vedendola come una 
duplicazione, la troverei accettabile inserita nella relazione; 
sistemarla nella relazione è anche più corretto perchè, come è già stato 
detto, il CAI valuta il sentiero nel suo complesso assegnando la 
difficoltà basandosi sul passaggio più difficoltoso.


Bè, a questo punto non ci resta che cercare di coinvolgere più sezioni 
CAI possibile


Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing Starbucks Wikipedia Tags (Was Nominatim Weakness)

[Philip Barnes]

Still having problems,  now a search on Starbucks is returning ones in 
Thailand.  Can these tags be removed too?

Phil (trigpoint)
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Re: [Talk-it] Proposta nuovo tag per scala difficoltà per sentieri escursionistici Club Alpino Italiano

[Francesco Pelullo]

Il 20/gen/2016 14:43, "Luca Delucchi"  ha scritto:
>
>
>
>
> Francesco, senza offesa, allora perchè usiamo, da ormai 8 lunghi anni,
> quella inglese e non quella italiana?
>
>

Perché abbiamo accettato lo standard inglese senza ragionarci prima, ma ne
abbiamo comunque parlato a lungo in lista.

Ripeto: non valuto la bontà o meno della classificazione CAI rispetto alla
SAC, dico solo che una classificazione aderente alla realtà italiana non mi
spiacerebbe, anche se doppia.

Ciao
/niubii/
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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing Starbucks Wikipedia Tags (Was Nominatim Weakness)

[Andy Mabbett]

On 21 January 2016 at 00:39, Clifford Snow  wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Andy Mabbett 
> wrote:
>>
>> I've linked that Wikidata item to the parent company (which has a
>> series of Wikipedia links) - orphan items with no Wikipedia links are
>> liable to be deleted from Wikidata.

> Can you explain more about the wikidata orphans and how to find these links?

It's not just that they're orphans, but that's usually taken as a sign
that they don't meet the notability guidelines:

  https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability

(the criteria for being included in Wikidata).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing Starbucks Wikipedia Tags (Was Nominatim Weakness)

[Philip Barnes]

Thank you Clifford. 

On Thu Jan 21 15:12:55 2016 GMT, Clifford Snow wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 6:51 AM, Philip Barnes  wrote:
> 
> > Still having problems,  now a search on Starbucks is returning ones in
> > Thailand.  Can these tags be removed too?
> 
> 
> I have a message into two of the mappers that added most of the Starbucks
> in Thailand asking for their help. From my conversations with another Thai
> mapper, most mappers in Thailand read English. The message was just sent
> yesterday so let's give them a few days.
> 
> Clifford
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing Starbucks Wikipedia Tags (Was Nominatim Weakness)

[Andy Mabbett]

On 21 January 2016 at 07:14, Bryce Nesbitt  wrote:

> For chain stores I tend to add a link to the corporate website only

I thought we weren't supposed to do that?

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[Talk-it] Fwd: [Maps-l] Deadline for Jerusalem hackathon scholarships is today

[Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi]

Qualcuno dal italia verrà? Nel caso sarò felice di incrociarvi ;)
-- Forwarded message --
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Date: 21 Jan 2016 17:01
Subject: [Maps-l] Deadline for Jerusalem hackathon scholarships is today
To: "Map integration" 
Cc:

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The Wikimedia Hackathon 2016 <
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31 - April 3) focuses on
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There is some budget for sponsoring volunteer developers. THE DEADLINE TO
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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing Starbucks Wikipedia Tags (Was Nominatim Weakness)

[JB]

Just saying that I'm impressed how much people can write about that 
specific private company. Are there some lobbyists hidden somewhere out 
there? Will next month be the same with McDonald's or Burger King?


Le 21/01/2016 17:25, Andy Mabbett a écrit :

On 21 January 2016 at 07:14, Bryce Nesbitt  wrote:


For chain stores I tend to add a link to the corporate website only

I thought we weren't supposed to do that?




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Re: [Talk-it] Proposta nuovo tag per scala difficoltà per sentieri escursionistici Club Alpino Italiano

[Dario Zontini]

-- Messaggio originale --
Da: "Alessandro Palmas" 

Il 21/01/2016 16:28, Francesco Pelullo ha scritto:
Come avevo già espresso alcuni giorni fa, pur vedendola come una 
duplicazione, la troverei accettabile inserita nella relazione; 
sistemarla nella relazione è anche più corretto perchè, come è già 
stato detto, il CAI valuta il sentiero nel suo complesso assegnando la 
difficoltà basandosi sul passaggio più difficoltoso.



Anche a me questa soluzione piace e penso possa aiutare le sezioni CAI 
ad avvicinarsi perchè ho notato che una delle osservazioni che  fanno è 
"come faccio a fare la converzione della classificazione CAI in SAC ?"


Non è riferito ai sentieri, ma nel mondo dell'alpinismo la babele delle 
classificazione viene da molto lontano 
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grado_di_difficolt%C3%A0





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Re: [Talk-it] Proposta nuovo tag per scala difficoltà per sentieri escursionistici Club Alpino Italiano

[Simone]

Riporto una questione venutami in mente addirittura adesso, il sac_scale=* lo 
mettiamo generalmente come valutazione di massima per qualunque sentiero, non 
solo ufficiale, mentre quello CAI vale solo per i sentieri ufficiali, quindi 
avrebbe senso portare un tag di questo tipo in questi sentieri secondari?

Tenuto conto che la valutazione dei sentieri CAI è fatta solo dal CAI e non da 
utenti OSM.


-- Simone Girardelli--

Inviato con K-9 Mail dal mio Samsung S5
Scusate la brevità dello scritto.

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Re: [Talk-it] Proposta nuovo tag per scala difficoltà per sentieri escursionistici Club Alpino Italiano

[Alessandro Palmas]

Il 21/01/2016 17:02, Dario Zontini ha scritto:


Anche a me questa soluzione piace e penso possa aiutare le sezioni CAI 
ad avvicinarsi perchè ho notato che una delle osservazioni che  fanno 
è "come faccio a fare la converzione della classificazione CAI in SAC ?"


Non è riferito ai sentieri, ma nel mondo dell'alpinismo la babele 
delle classificazione viene da molto lontano 
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grado_di_difficolt%C3%A0


Sull'arrampicata io userò sempre i gradi francesi, anche perchè tutte le 
guide d'arrampicata italiane riportano quella scala; inoltre quando in 
falesia parlo con stranieri, principalmente tedeschi austriaci e inglesi 
(a maggior ragione i francesi penso non abbiano problemi), parliamo di 
gradi sottintendendo francesi e ci capiamo sempre.
Per l'alpinismo personalmente mappo usando la scala CAI ma non ho idea 
di quanto sia diffusa all'estero


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Re: [Talk-it] Proposta nuovo tag per scala difficoltà per sentieri escursionistici Club Alpino Italiano

[Fabrizio Tambussa]

Per me è lo stesso. Io nella vita uso i gradi CAI. Nella mappatura avevo
trovato una corrispondenza tra sac e cai.
Sbiribizio  (socio CAI)
Il 21/Gen/2016 17:32, "Alessandro Palmas" 
ha scritto:

> Il 21/01/2016 17:02, Dario Zontini ha scritto:
>
>>
>> Anche a me questa soluzione piace e penso possa aiutare le sezioni CAI ad
>> avvicinarsi perchè ho notato che una delle osservazioni che  fanno è "come
>> faccio a fare la converzione della classificazione CAI in SAC ?"
>>
>> Non è riferito ai sentieri, ma nel mondo dell'alpinismo la babele delle
>> classificazione viene da molto lontano
>> https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grado_di_difficolt%C3%A0
>>
>
> Sull'arrampicata io userò sempre i gradi francesi, anche perchè tutte le
> guide d'arrampicata italiane riportano quella scala; inoltre quando in
> falesia parlo con stranieri, principalmente tedeschi austriaci e inglesi (a
> maggior ragione i francesi penso non abbiano problemi), parliamo di gradi
> sottintendendo francesi e ci capiamo sempre.
> Per l'alpinismo personalmente mappo usando la scala CAI ma non ho idea di
> quanto sia diffusa all'estero
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] University tagging

[Marc Gemis]

you could use the site-relation for that.

You might also search the archives of the GB mailing list. Last year
there was a discussion on how one could properly map a university with
many buildings & sites. This might give some inspiration.

Or currently they have a similar discussion on schools with several
buildings, or several schools in 1 building. No need to reinvent the
wheel.

As for the preset, I cannot automatically concatenate values into 1.
So we need to define a couple of presets for combination that occurs
often. Eg. university. basisschool, lager + hoger middelbaar. For each
of those presents we can add both the vks:level and isced:level tags.

m

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Ruben Maes  wrote:
> Thursday 21 January 2016 15:51:44, Marc Gemis:
>> This could be added to the BENELUX preset for JOSM if you want. Just
>> let me know when you agree on the tagging. Or add it yourself to
>> https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Presets/BENELUX   :-)
>
> That would be great, thanks :)
>
> I added my analysis of the VKS and ISCED levels to the wiki page, so that 
> people looking for it on the wiki can find it.
>
> While making the examples I started wondering where to put those level tags 
> for universities, or other schools with lots of campuses. Would it be 
> feasible to make a relation for the university or is that too 
> collection-like? Or repeat the tags for each campus, but then we would have 
> to know for each location what levels are done there (it may be that e.g. 
> bachelor students never have to enter specific buildings).
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[OSM-talk-fr] bati qui est encore disparu

[Ludovic Hirlimann]

Bonjour
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/43.85282/1.28991

y a plus de bati :( c'est un bug ?

Ludo

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[talk-au] Series of Wikidata talks & meetups, in February

[Andy Mabbett]

Time I delurked, and said hello...

I'm a mapper in the English West Midlands (Birmingham, to be precise)
and you may know me from SotM 2014, or SotMUS 2015.

I'll be visiting Australia for three weeks in February, to give talks
about Wikidata, and Wikipedia's GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives
and Museums) collaborations. There will also be social meetups for
Wikimedians, and I'd like to extend an invitation to OSMappers, to
come along and learn or ask questions about Wikidata, and how it links
with OSM, as well as meeting me and your local Wikimedia community,
and informing me about OSM in Australia.

The draft itinerary, with more events to be added, is at:

 https://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Wikidata_Tour_Down_Under

and I hope to meet some of you soon.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] bati qui est encore disparu

[Philippe Verdy]

Je ne l'ai pas vu hier non plus quand tu signalais cette zone, où nexistait
que les quelques batiments au centre de la zone d'activité, et les rues pas
achevées. Je pense qu'il n'y a pas eu de batiments du tout dans la partie
ouest de la zone résidentielle

2016-01-21 18:38 GMT+01:00 Ludovic Hirlimann :

> Bonjour
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/43.85282/1.28991
>
> y a plus de bati :( c'est un bug ?
>
> Ludo
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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing Starbucks Wikipedia Tags (Was Nominatim Weakness)

[Jo]

Why is that a problem? We do tend to tag them, so why not try to get it
right and do it properly? I have to admit I didn't go as far as adding
opening hours, AFAIC that's what the deeplinks are there for. I also didn't
add any new ones for my area of interest, just fixed the already mapped
ones.

Jo

2016-01-21 18:27 GMT+01:00 JB :

> Just saying that I'm impressed how much people can write about that
> specific private company. Are there some lobbyists hidden somewhere out
> there? Will next month be the same with McDonald's or Burger King?
>
> Le 21/01/2016 17:25, Andy Mabbett a écrit :
>
>> On 21 January 2016 at 07:14, Bryce Nesbitt  wrote:
>>
>> For chain stores I tend to add a link to the corporate website only
>>>
>> I thought we weren't supposed to do that?
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Rendering of layers

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Stuart

The rendered layering of platforms just doesn't happen. Caused me a lot of
grief with Birmingham New Street - so I switched to using levels  and using
Adrien Pavie's OpenLevelUp which allows you to zoom up and down through
building floors. Here's what New St looks like
.
Slider is on the top left of the screen

Regards

Brian


On 21 January 2016 at 10:12, Stuart Reynolds <
stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I made a number of adjustments around the transport terminus at Gatwick
> Airport South Terminal yesterday. When this was first mapped, what is
> actually three buildings (the railway station, the covered travelators from
> the bus station & car parks, and the southern stairs from the railway
> platforms) were all mapped as one building, and the platforms were
> “inserts” into the gaps rather than being the continuous entities that they
> are. So I have separated those all out, and made the platforms a continuous
> block. I also added internal escalators and travelators, although that is
> immaterial to the question that I’m about to ask.
>
> The buildings are all mapped as layer=1, and the platforms without any
> layer tag (which should default them to layer=0, AFAIK). So why are the
> platforms and rail tracks (which I haven’t touched) been rendered over the
> buildings, rather than under them?
>
> See http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.15634/-0.16124
>
> Thanks
> Stuart
>
>
> 
> Stuart Reynolds
> for traveline south east & anglia
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Re: [Talk-it] Proposta nuovo tag per scala difficoltà per sentieri escursionistici Club Alpino Italiano

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 21.01.2016 um 16:28 schrieb Francesco Pelullo :
> 
> dico solo che una classificazione aderente alla realtà italiana non mi 
> spiacerebbe, anche se doppia.


+1, soprattutto se doppia 

ciao,
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[OSM-talk-fr] Generation de cartes raster à la volée

[François Lacombe]

Bonsoir à tous,

Comme j'ai pu en discuter avec certains depuis quelques temps, je suis
à la recherche d'un moyen permettant de générer des extraits jpeg/png
d'OSM à la volée.

Ceci dans certaines conditions.
Je développe actuellement un robot qui selon l’occurrence
d'événements, poste des tweets. S'agissant bien souvent d'événements à
propos d'objets positionnés sur OSM, il est intéressant d'illustrer
ces tweet avec une carte montrant la localisation de ce dont il est
question.

La représentation de l'objet étant facilement ajoutable sur une image
avec moult librairies, la question est surtout de récupérer le fond de
carte au format image et en direct lorsque l'événement survient.

On m'a conseillé de regarder du côté du fonctionnement du module
d'export d'osm.org, mais celui-ci est plutôt lent et je ne souhaite
pas pénaliser d'autres utilisateurs avec cette charge induite.

Goo*** **ps proposait (ou propose toujours) un service pour générer
des cartes raster.
Est-ce qu'il y a quelque chose dans la sphère OSM qui le permette aussi ?

Merci par avance et bonne soirée

François

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] bati qui est encore disparu

[Philippe Verdy]

D'ailleurs le dessin des rues est très approximatif et mal fait, avec une
confusion (highway=service;service=parking_aisle) sur ce qui n'est en fait
que des voies d'accès privées, bizarrement aussi dessinée pour se connecter
directement aux bâtiments (à ne pas faire).
La zone existante resssemble plus à une ébauche. Il n'y a pas eu non plus
d'imports d'adresses.

Aucun batiment détruit ou créé depuis des semaines ou des mois. Juste du
nettoyage de queqleues noeuds (y compris moi-même le 19 janvier):
http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/?zoom=17=43.85282=1.28991layers=BTT


Le 21 janvier 2016 à 19:59, Philippe Verdy  a écrit :

> Je ne l'ai pas vu hier non plus quand tu signalais cette zone, où
> nexistait que les quelques batiments au centre de la zone d'activité, et
> les rues pas achevées. Je pense qu'il n'y a pas eu de batiments du tout
> dans la partie ouest de la zone résidentielle
>
> 2016-01-21 18:38 GMT+01:00 Ludovic Hirlimann :
>
>> Bonjour
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/43.85282/1.28991
>>
>> y a plus de bati :( c'est un bug ?
>>
>> Ludo
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Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: State Park Boundary shp file

[Eric Ladner]

That seems unusual.  Most states have a GIS or Geospatial portal where most
of that information is easily downloadable.

E

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:58 AM Paul Johnson  wrote:

> Would it be possible to get some advice on how to best submit this form
> for the outlines Oklahoma's state parks?  I'm not quite sure where "using
> the public record to assist in contributing to OpenStreetMap" lies on the
> binary option "personal" or "commercial" use, and ODRT basically said, "You
> want to know where the state park boundaries are?  File a FOIA Request..."
>  Who says red states favor small government? /s
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Don Shafer 
> Date: Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:19 AM
> Subject: State Park Boundary shp file
> To: "ba...@ursamundi.org" 
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
>
>
> Don Shafer with the Oklahoma Tourism and Recreation Department.
>
>
>
> It has been brought to my attention that you have requested a boundary
> shape file of the State Parks.
>
>
>
> I’m sending our open records request document for you to fill out and send
> back to me and I will see that is gets to our Agencies General Council, who
> can make that determination.
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: State Park Boundary shp file

[Paul Johnson]

We have one, but only has centroids and already imported from GNIS.

This region's a little weird on information access...for example to get
addresses, I'd have to drive to each of the 77 counties and pay $75 each to
get the address databases for the whole state (so the better chunk of $6k
before getting into gas money and time)...which may or may not end up in a
format I can even read.  At which point, it'd be easier try to collect
every address by hand (a topic that's been covered twice now on the okgis
mailing list).

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Eric Ladner  wrote:

> That seems unusual.  Most states have a GIS or Geospatial portal where
> most of that information is easily downloadable.
>
> E
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:58 AM Paul Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Would it be possible to get some advice on how to best submit this form
>> for the outlines Oklahoma's state parks?  I'm not quite sure where "using
>> the public record to assist in contributing to OpenStreetMap" lies on the
>> binary option "personal" or "commercial" use, and ODRT basically said, "You
>> want to know where the state park boundaries are?  File a FOIA Request..."
>>  Who says red states favor small government? /s
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Don Shafer 
>> Date: Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:19 AM
>> Subject: State Park Boundary shp file
>> To: "ba...@ursamundi.org" 
>>
>>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>>
>>
>> Don Shafer with the Oklahoma Tourism and Recreation Department.
>>
>>
>>
>> It has been brought to my attention that you have requested a boundary
>> shape file of the State Parks.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m sending our open records request document for you to fill out and
>> send back to me and I will see that is gets to our Agencies General
>> Council, who can make that determination.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Don Shafer
>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] bati qui est encore disparu

[Ludovic Hirlimann]

On 21/01/2016 20:07, Philippe Verdy wrote:
> D'ailleurs le dessin des rues est très approximatif et mal fait, avec
> une confusion (highway=service;service=parking_aisle) sur ce qui n'est
> en fait que des voies d'accès privées, bizarrement aussi dessinée pour
> se connecter directement aux bâtiments (à ne pas faire).
> La zone existante resssemble plus à une ébauche. Il n'y a pas eu non
> plus d'imports d'adresses.
>
> Aucun batiment détruit ou créé depuis des semaines ou des mois. Juste
> du nettoyage de queqleues noeuds (y compris moi-même le 19 janvier):
> http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/?zoom=17=43.85282=1.28991layers=BTT
>
Le bati était présent quand jai nettoyé bano et ajouté l'église par exemple.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] bati qui est encore disparu

[Ludovic Hirlimann]

On 21/01/2016 20:07, Philippe Verdy wrote:
> D'ailleurs le dessin des rues est très approximatif et mal fait, avec
> une confusion (highway=service;service=parking_aisle) sur ce qui n'est
> en fait que des voies d'accès privées, bizarrement aussi dessinée pour
> se connecter directement aux bâtiments (à ne pas faire).
> La zone existante resssemble plus à une ébauche. Il n'y a pas eu non
> plus d'imports d'adresses.
>
> Aucun batiment détruit ou créé depuis des semaines ou des mois. Juste
> du nettoyage de queqleues noeuds (y compris moi-même le 19 janvier):
> http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/?zoom=17=43.85282=1.28991layers=BTT
>
je retire ce que je viens de dire.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] University tagging

[Ruben Maes]

Thursday 21 January 2016 15:51:44, Marc Gemis:
> This could be added to the BENELUX preset for JOSM if you want. Just
> let me know when you agree on the tagging. Or add it yourself to
> https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Presets/BENELUX   :-)

That would be great, thanks :)

I added my analysis of the VKS and ISCED levels to the wiki page, so that 
people looking for it on the wiki can find it.

While making the examples I started wondering where to put those level tags for 
universities, or other schools with lots of campuses. Would it be feasible to 
make a relation for the university or is that too collection-like? Or repeat 
the tags for each campus, but then we would have to know for each location what 
levels are done there (it may be that e.g. bachelor students never have to 
enter specific buildings).

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[Talk-us] Fwd: State Park Boundary shp file

[Paul Johnson]

Would it be possible to get some advice on how to best submit this form for
the outlines Oklahoma's state parks?  I'm not quite sure where "using the
public record to assist in contributing to OpenStreetMap" lies on the
binary option "personal" or "commercial" use, and ODRT basically said, "You
want to know where the state park boundaries are?  File a FOIA Request..."
 Who says red states favor small government? /s

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From: Don Shafer 
Date: Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:19 AM
Subject: State Park Boundary shp file
To: "ba...@ursamundi.org" 


Hi Paul,



Don Shafer with the Oklahoma Tourism and Recreation Department.



It has been brought to my attention that you have requested a boundary
shape file of the State Parks.



I’m sending our open records request document for you to fill out and send
back to me and I will see that is gets to our Agencies General Council, who
can make that determination.



Thank you

Don Shafer


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Re: [talk-latam] Semanario Nr. 287

[Manfred A. Reiter]

Hola Gonzalo,

2016-01-21 21:10 GMT+01:00 Gonzalo Gabriel Pérez :

> Gracias Laura
> ¿Sos parte del equipo encargado de esa publicación? El último semanario
> http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/6699 contiene un error sobre el
> nombre del evento el cual es en realidad FOSS4G Argentina 2016.
>
>
Corregido!
El error hizo un gringo. ;-)

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Re: [Talk-co] [talk-latam] Semanario Nr. 287

[Manfred A. Reiter]

Hola Gonzalo,

2016-01-21 21:10 GMT+01:00 Gonzalo Gabriel Pérez :

> Gracias Laura
> ¿Sos parte del equipo encargado de esa publicación? El último semanario
> http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/6699 contiene un error sobre el
> nombre del evento el cual es en realidad FOSS4G Argentina 2016.
>
>
Corregido!
El error hizo un gringo. ;-)

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Re: [Talk-cl] [talk-latam] Semanario Nr. 287

[Manfred A. Reiter]

Hola Gonzalo,

2016-01-21 21:10 GMT+01:00 Gonzalo Gabriel Pérez :

> Gracias Laura
> ¿Sos parte del equipo encargado de esa publicación? El último semanario
> http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/6699 contiene un error sobre el
> nombre del evento el cual es en realidad FOSS4G Argentina 2016.
>
>
Corregido!
El error hizo un gringo. ;-)

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Re: [Talk-es] [talk-latam] Semanario Nr. 287

[Manfred A. Reiter]

Hola Gonzalo,

2016-01-21 21:10 GMT+01:00 Gonzalo Gabriel Pérez :

> Gracias Laura
> ¿Sos parte del equipo encargado de esa publicación? El último semanario
> http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/6699 contiene un error sobre el
> nombre del evento el cual es en realidad FOSS4G Argentina 2016.
>
>
Corregido!
El error hizo un gringo. ;-)

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Re: [Talk-it] Usare JOSM con file .osm che non hanno le metainformazioni

[Simone F.]

Il giorno 20 gennaio 2016 15:45, Simone Saviolo 
ha scritto:

> Supponiamo che io abbia un file .osm non creato da JOSM, ma ad esempio da
> Maperitive. A questo file mancheranno le metainformazioni.
>
> Come posso fare per modificare il mio file con JOSM (o con un altro
> strumento)?
>

Puoi aggiungere delle metainformazioni fittizie al file tramite osmconvert
[0] e l'opzione --fake-version.

Esempio:
osmconvert filesenzainfo.osm --fake-version -o=fileconinfo.osm

fileconinfo.osm dovrebbe potersi aprire con JOSM.

(Naturalmente, dati creati in questo modo non vanno caricati in OSM. Lo
dico nel caso legga il messaggio qualcuno nuovo in OSM.)


Ciao,
Simone F.

[0] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmconvert
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Orthophoto Toulouse 2015

[Muselaar]

Oui, Belfort, ce serait bien…
Je n'ose jamais rien faire sur OSM, en me disant « mais bientôt, on aura 
de super photos, autant attendre, pour faire précis directement ».

On en est où, maintenant ?

Le 10/01/2016 10:52, Pierre-Yves Berrard a écrit :

Merci Jean-Guilhem pour la mise à dispo de ces photos.

Pourrait-on ajouter l'imagerie de Belfort dans la foulée ?

PY

Le 10 janvier 2016 à 10:23, lenny.libre > a écrit :


Merci, quel plaisir d'avoir des photos de qualité et à jour.
Lenny

Le 09/01/2016 13:41, Jean-Guilhem Cailton a écrit :

Bonjour,

Merci pour les infos sur les images disponibles.

L'orthophoto de Toulouse Métropole 2015 est disponible en TMS
par cette
URL :

tms[22]:http://wms.openstreetmap.fr/tms/1.0.0/toulouse_2015/{zoom}/{x}/{y}



Et la dernière de Nord-Pas de Calais (2012/2013) par la PPIGE
(Plate-forme publique de l'information géographique du Nord-Pas de
Calais) est sur :
tms[22]:http://wms.openstreetmap.fr/tms/1.0.0/ppige_2013/{zoom}/{x}/{y}



Ces couches TMS fonctionnent en proxy-cache, et les premiers
accès aux
tuiles peuvent donc être un peu lents, en incluant le temps de
réponse
des serveurs d'origine. Une fois qu'elles sont en cache, les accès
suivants devraient être plus rapides.

N'oubliez pas de mentionner les sources des données dérivées :
"Toulouse
Métropole 2015" (licence ODbL -
https://data.toulouse-metropole.fr/page/licence/), ou "PPIGE
NDPC -
Ortho 2012 - 2013" (licence ouverte "Etalab" comme indiqué
ci-dessous).

Bien cordialement,

Jean-Guilhem



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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing Starbucks Wikipedia Tags (Was Nominatim Weakness)

[Clifford Snow]

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 9:27 AM, JB  wrote:

> Just saying that I'm impressed how much people can write about that
> specific private company. Are there some lobbyists hidden somewhere out
> there? Will next month be the same with McDonald's or Burger King?


I took on the Starbucks issue after it was used as an example of
Nomimatim's listing locations no where near the bbox. Living in Seattle
it's hard not be impacted by Starbucks. Other than interacting with their
barista's I don't know anyone nor do I have any connection with the
corporation. I did try to get them to give me a list of their location to
add to OSM. I'm still waiting for them to get back to me. FYI - Seattle has
many coffee shops far superior to Starbucks.

The issue is partly a tagging problem. People were adding a wikipedia link
to the main Starbucks article. That caused Nominatim to include them in a
search. When we are done cleaning up Starbucks, we'll still have at least
one Starbucks with a wikipedia link, the original store. That should cause
Nominatim to display it first. Personally I don't think that is correct. I
still believe that Nominatim should give back results based on bbox
regardless of wikipedia for certain features. In this case, amenity=cafe.
We still owe it to the developers of Nominatim to tag correctly. We
shouldn't complain if we don't follow our own rules.

McDonald's or Burger King, yes , we should clean those up as well.

Clifford


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OpenEvacMap...

[osm . sanspourriel]

Le 21/01/2016 11:47, Christian Quest - cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit :

On 21/01/2016 10:22, Otourly Wiki wrote:

Hello,
Curieux ici le site n'en fini pas de mouliner.

La géoloc est obligatoire... sans elle, rien ne s'affichera.

Effectivement en acceptant la géolocalisation, ça marche.
Sauf que la géolocalisation à partir d'une ligne fixe au moins dans mon 
cas ça donne le centre le la commune.
Il faudrait donc pouvoir choisir à l'intérieur de cette zone 
(graphiquement, par saisie d'une adresse, dans une liste si c'est 
raisonnable).

Sinon il faut truander l'API de géolocalisation.

Par contre certains propriétaires pourraient être réticents à l'idée 
de voir des plans de leur commerce sur un site...


Une option serait un formulaire de demande de "take down" comme disent 
les ricains...

Toujours la question : opt-in ou opt-out ?

Et on peut imaginer que suivant la possibilité d'accéder à 
l'information, les gens sont d'accord (par exemple si c'est pour les 
services de secours) ou pas (certains lieux peuvent être sensibles).
Pourtant si la centrale nucléaire est sûre, ce n'est pas parce que l'on 
sait comment l'évacuer qu'elle sera plus dangereuse.

Ah, c'est vrai j'ai dit "si" ;-).

Quant aux droits intellectuels, il faudrait être vraiment mauvais 
coucheur pour reprocher la reproduction d'une police de caractères sur 
un plan d'évacuation.


N. B. : le droit n'est pas trop mal fait, il est parfaitement légal de 
défoncer une porte pour évacuer une personne. "nécessité fait loi". La 
publication des plans d'évacuation peut sans doute s'y référer.


Jean-Yvon
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[OSM-talk-fr] Jeux de données OSM

[Donat ROBAUX]

Bonjour à tous,

Je voulais  vous signaler l'existence d'un site internet proposant des jeux
de données pré-machées d'OSM. Je n'ai pas de mérite, c'est Florian
(overflorian) qui l'a trouvé.

Ça se passe sur pakku.io et ils demandent un feedback sur feedback.pakku.io

Si vous avez l'occasion de tester, ça peut être pas mal pour favoriser la
diffusion des données libres et qui ne sont pas faciles d'abord pour des
néophytes.

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[Talk-us] Mapathon at Colorado State University, Fort Collins Wednesday 2016-01-27

[Mike Thompson]

We will be holding a mapathon next week:
Colorado State University
Geospatial Centroid
OpenStreetMap Humanitarian Mapathon

*When:*  Wednesday January 27th 2016 5:00 - 7:00pm
*Where:* Ramskeller, Lory Student Center, CSU Campus (1101 Central Ave
Mall, Fort Collins, CO 80521)
*Parking:* In the lot West of Morgan Library.  Parking is free after 4pm (
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=40.57345=-105.08552#map=18/40.57345/-105.08552
)
*Who:* You! Public welcome, no experience necessary. Bring a laptop
computer.

We will be mapping buildings in the southern African Kingdom of Swaziland
to help fight malaria. Mapping will be done using OpenStreetMap and
satellite imagery. Mapping in OpenStreetMap is easy, interesting, and a
great way to help the most vulnerable populations on Earth.  Public is
welcome & no experience is necessary. Bring a laptop computer (Windows, Mac
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[OSM-talk-fr] historic=citywalls et barrier=retaining_wall

[Muselaar]

Bonsoir,

J'ai cru bon, pour les murs restants d'un ancien fort (1865-70) qui 
comportaient comme unique tag barrier=city_wall, de le remplacer par 
historic=citywalls, et d'ajouter barrier=retaining_wall.
Il me semblait que c'est correct, dans la mesure où ces murs se 
présentent comme des remparts, mais sont également des murs de 
soutènement, puisque du côté « intérieur », ils sont en fait soit 
surmontés d'un talus de terre, avec végétation, ou servent réellement de 
soutènement en raison de la dénivellation du terrain naturel.


Mais je suis un peu surpris du rendu :

Sur Mapnik, cela fait deux gros traits gris parallèles (il y a un fossé 
tout le tour du fort), qui sautent aux yeux en faisant un pâté dès le 
zoom 14. Pas forcément très pertinent.


Du coup, je me demande : ai-je traité correctement cet élément ?Ou bien 
est-ce que c'est le rendu qui doit être adapté pour des cas de ce type ?


http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/212114048

Qu'en pensez-vous ?

Muselaar

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Generation de cartes raster à la volée

[François Lacombe]

Bonsoir Jean-Yvon et merci :)

Le 21 janvier 2016 à 22:33,   a écrit :
> Tu peux toujours monter un serveur WMS (il y en a aussi des publics) sur des
> tuiles OSM et demander une image "qui va bien".
Non je ne souhaite pas installer ce genre de composant pour ce projet.

Par contre utiliser un WMS public qui me permettrait de générer
quelques dalles par jour ca serait le top

> Pourquoi ne pas "bêtement" utiliser un greffon comme celui utilisé ici ?
> Tu veux que ça passe sur le téléphone le plus simple (avec écran graphique
> quand même) ou de l'embarqué ?
>
> Dans l'exemple c'est un greffon GIS spip, mais il y en a pour un peu tous
> les systèmes de publication de contenu.
> Tu peux aussi avoir une umap et des données récupérées par ailleurs
> dynamiquement.
Parce que Twitter ne permet pas d'intégrer une slipy-map dans ses
tweet. Il faut obligatoirement un fichier png ou jpeg.

A moi ensuite d'ajouter sur le fond de carte la feature que je veux,
avec la mise en forme souhaitée.

L'idée du WMS doit être la bonne


Bonne soirée

François

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Generation de cartes raster à la volée

[osm . sanspourriel]

Mais Twitter te permet d'ajouter des liens.
Par exemple :
sur OSM :
http://osm.org/?zoom=6=-31.91739=-56.92288
sur une umap :
http://u.osmfr.org/m/4/#17/48.80555/2.11600
sur une double carte  (ou 250, mais tu pers en lisibilité ;-)) :
http://mc.bbbike.org/mc/?lon=-4.431575=48.230761=13=2=osmfr=mapbox-satellite=ol_mapquest-labels=100=L%27Aber%3Cbr%3Ey%20compris%20avec%20du%20HTML%20simple,%20c%27est%20%3Cb%3Epossible%3C/b%3E%20! 


(même logique avec openseamap.org).

Dans le dernier cas, tu peux créer une url courte à la volée.
Ou avoir une page acceptant les paramètres usuels (zoom,lat,lon et 
marker : voir un # équivalent
#17/48.80555/2.11600/ mon 
texte) et tu rediriges sur le site qui va bien.


Jean-Yvon


Le 21/01/2016 22:44, François Lacombe - fl.infosrese...@gmail.com a écrit :

Bonsoir Jean-Yvon et merci :)

Le 21 janvier 2016 à 22:33,   a écrit :

Tu peux toujours monter un serveur WMS (il y en a aussi des publics) sur des
tuiles OSM et demander une image "qui va bien".

Non je ne souhaite pas installer ce genre de composant pour ce projet.

Par contre utiliser un WMS public qui me permettrait de générer
quelques dalles par jour ca serait le top


Pourquoi ne pas "bêtement" utiliser un greffon comme celui utilisé ici ?
Tu veux que ça passe sur le téléphone le plus simple (avec écran graphique
quand même) ou de l'embarqué ?

Dans l'exemple c'est un greffon GIS spip, mais il y en a pour un peu tous
les systèmes de publication de contenu.
Tu peux aussi avoir une umap et des données récupérées par ailleurs
dynamiquement.

Parce que Twitter ne permet pas d'intégrer une slipy-map dans ses
tweet. Il faut obligatoirement un fichier png ou jpeg.

A moi ensuite d'ajouter sur le fond de carte la feature que je veux,
avec la mise en forme souhaitée.

L'idée du WMS doit être la bonne


Bonne soirée

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Re: [Talk-de] FOSSGIS 2016 - Call for Participation

[Peter Barth]

Hallo zusammen,

bisher sind leider noch nicht so viele Einreichungen für die diesjährige
FOSSGIS-Konferenz eingegangen wie erhofft und die Einreichungsfrist
endet bereits am 1.2.2016 (das ist übrigens die Deadline für AGIT *und*
FOSSGIS, wem das aus meiner letzten Mail nicht klar wurde ;)) Ihr
solltet daher unbedingt noch einen Vortrag einreichen!

Falls euch das Wort "Konferenz" zurückschrecken lässt oder ihr euch
denkt, dass das nur was für "Wissenschaftler", "Softwareentwickler" und
"Firmen" ist, dann muss ich euch eines Besseren belehren. Wir suchen
nämlich explizit auch Vorträge aus der Praxis. Das können Berichte über
eure Mappingprojekte sein, über den Stand der Datenbasis in eurer
Region, Details zu eurem eigenen OSM-Bastelprojekt oder auch Erfahrungen
mit verschiedenen Mappingtechniken. Es gibt eine Vielzahl an
Möglichkeiten einen interessanten Vortrag einzureichen.

Ihr dürft auch keine Angst vor dem Vortrag selbst haben, ihr sprecht
schließlich zu Leuten wie euch: anderen Mappern :) Und wenn euch 20
Minuten Vortrag zu lang erscheinen gibt es auch immer noch die
Möglichkeit für einen "Lightning Talk" mit nur 5 Minuten Länge.

Also bitte nehmt euch das Wochenende Zeit und reicht einen schönen
Vortrag ein, macht Werbung auf euren Mappertreffen und erzählt auch
anderen davon, die hier nicht mit lesen, auf dass wir wieder eine
großartige Konferenz mit vielen tollen Vorträgen bekommen.

Bei Fragen einfach hier auf der Mailingliste fragen, Teilnehmer früherer
Konferenzen fragen oder die Konferenzorga (konferenz-orga (at)
fossgis.de) anschreiben.

Wir freuen uns auf euch und eure Einreichungen,
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Re: [Talk-at] FOSSGIS 2016 - Call for Participation

[Peter Barth]

Hallo zusammen,

bisher sind leider noch nicht so viele Einreichungen für die diesjährige
FOSSGIS-Konferenz eingegangen wie erhofft und die Einreichungsfrist
endet bereits am 1.2.2016 (das ist übrigens die Deadline für AGIT *und*
FOSSGIS, wem das aus meiner letzten Mail nicht klar wurde ;)) Ihr
solltet daher unbedingt noch einen Vortrag einreichen!

Falls euch das Wort "Konferenz" zurückschrecken lässt oder ihr euch
denkt, dass das nur was für "Wissenschaftler", "Softwareentwickler" und
"Firmen" ist, dann muss ich euch eines Besseren belehren. Wir suchen
nämlich explizit auch Vorträge aus der Praxis. Das können Berichte über
eure Mappingprojekte sein, über den Stand der Datenbasis in eurer
Region, Details zu eurem eigenen OSM-Bastelprojekt oder auch Erfahrungen
mit verschiedenen Mappingtechniken. Es gibt eine Vielzahl an
Möglichkeiten einen interessanten Vortrag einzureichen.

Ihr dürft auch keine Angst vor dem Vortrag selbst haben, ihr sprecht
schließlich zu Leuten wie euch: anderen Mappern :) Und wenn euch 20
Minuten Vortrag zu lang erscheinen gibt es auch immer noch die
Möglichkeit für einen "Lightning Talk" mit nur 5 Minuten Länge.

Also bitte nehmt euch das Wochenende Zeit und reicht einen schönen
Vortrag ein, macht Werbung auf euren Mappertreffen und erzählt auch
anderen davon, die hier nicht mit lesen, auf dass wir wieder eine
großartige Konferenz mit vielen tollen Vorträgen bekommen.

Bei Fragen einfach hier auf der Mailingliste fragen, Teilnehmer früherer
Konferenzen fragen oder die Konferenzorga (konferenz-orga (at)
fossgis.de) anschreiben.

Wir freuen uns auf euch und eure Einreichungen,
euer FOSSGIS-Konferenz-Organisationsteam


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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing Starbucks Wikipedia Tags (Was Nominatim Weakness)

[Paul Norman]

On 1/21/2016 1:44 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:

When we are done cleaning up Starbucks, we'll still have at least one 
Starbucks with a wikipedia link, the original store 


But this won't be a link to the Starbucks article, but instead the 
specific one on that notable store.


I still believe that Nominatim should give back results based on bbox 
regardless of wikipedia for certain features. In this case, amenity=cafe.


If you want results only within a bounding box, set that parameter when 
querying Nominatim. See 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim#Parameters for 
documentation on Nominatim, or as an example,


- 
http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xml=1=-123.1%2C50.2%2C-122.7%2C50.1=Starbucks 
for a query with few results and
- 
http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xml=1=-123.1%2C55.2%2C-122.7%2C55.1=Starbucks 
for a query with no results.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Rendering of layers

[David Woolley]

On 21/01/16 10:12, Stuart Reynolds wrote:

The buildings are all mapped as layer=1, and the platforms without any
layer tag (which should default them to layer=0, AFAIK). So why are the
platforms and rail tracks (which I haven’t touched) been rendered over
the buildings, rather than under them?



I believe that was a policy decision.  Probably because platforms, 
including underground ones, are considered more important that the 
station buildings.



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Re: [Talk-it] Segnalazione articolo odierno su Giornale di Vicenza

[mircozorzo]

Ciao, ci sono nuove notizie?


Ciao, Mirco



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Generation de cartes raster à la volée

[osm . sanspourriel]

Tu peux toujours monter un serveur WMS (il y en a aussi des publics) sur 
des tuiles OSM et demander une image "qui va bien".


Pourquoi ne pas "bêtement" utiliser un greffon comme celui utilisé ici 
 ?
Tu veux que ça passe sur le téléphone le plus simple (avec écran 
graphique quand même) ou de l'embarqué ?


Dans l'exemple c'est un greffon GIS spip, mais il y en a pour un peu 
tous les systèmes de publication de contenu.
Tu peux aussi avoir une umap et des données récupérées par ailleurs 
dynamiquement.


Jean-Yvon


Le 21/01/2016 20:06, François Lacombe - fl.infosrese...@gmail.com a écrit :

Bonsoir à tous,

Comme j'ai pu en discuter avec certains depuis quelques temps, je suis
à la recherche d'un moyen permettant de générer des extraits jpeg/png
d'OSM à la volée.

Ceci dans certaines conditions.
Je développe actuellement un robot qui selon l’occurrence
d'événements, poste des tweets. S'agissant bien souvent d'événements à
propos d'objets positionnés sur OSM, il est intéressant d'illustrer
ces tweet avec une carte montrant la localisation de ce dont il est
question.

La représentation de l'objet étant facilement ajoutable sur une image
avec moult librairies, la question est surtout de récupérer le fond de
carte au format image et en direct lorsque l'événement survient.

On m'a conseillé de regarder du côté du fonctionnement du module
d'export d'osm.org, mais celui-ci est plutôt lent et je ne souhaite
pas pénaliser d'autres utilisateurs avec cette charge induite.

Goo*** **ps proposait (ou propose toujours) un service pour générer
des cartes raster.
Est-ce qu'il y a quelque chose dans la sphère OSM qui le permette aussi ?

Merci par avance et bonne soirée

François

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Generation de cartes raster à la volée

[Thomas Gratier]

Salut,

Une ligne de commande avec un fichier XML pour GDAL suffisent si vous
voulez (il y a surement d'autres solutions mais là c'est plutôt simple)
Soit le fichier osm.xml avec le contenu ci-dessous:


 
 http://tile.openstreetmap.org/${z}/${x}/${y}.png
 
 
 -20037508.34
 20037508.34
 20037508.34
 -20037508.34
 18
 1
 1
 top
 
 EPSG:3857
 256
 256
 3
 



Soit la commande GDAL en passant l'étendue en spherical Mercator (EPSG 3857)

gdal_translate -of png -a_srs epsg:3857 -projwin 2782768 8441389
2783286 8440998 osm.xml OSMtiletest.png

Vous avez votre image.

A ce stade, vous avez aussi le choix d'ajouter votre point sur l'image avec
GDAL en jouant avec des VRT comme pour cet exemple avec des PDF en sortie
http://latuviitta.org/documents/Geospatial_PDF_maps_from_OSM_with_GDAL.pdf
Il est aussi possible de passer par GDAL via Python pour faire l'opération
de récupération de l'image OSM et ensuite faire le rendu image.
Vous pouvez aussi prendre l'image telle quelle et positionner votre point
dessus grâce aux coordonnées.


Cordialement

Thomas Gratier

Le 21 janvier 2016 à 23:08,  a écrit :

> Mais Twitter te permet d'ajouter des liens.
> Par exemple :
> sur OSM :
> http://osm.org/?zoom=6=-31.91739=-56.92288
> sur une umap :
> http://u.osmfr.org/m/4/#17/48.80555/2.11600
> sur une double carte  (ou 250, mais tu pers en lisibilité ;-)) :
>
> 
> http://mc.bbbike.org/mc/?lon=-4.431575=48.230761=13=2=osmfr=mapbox-satellite=ol_mapquest-labels=100=L%27Aber%3Cbr%3Ey%20compris%20avec%20du%20HTML%20simple,%20c%27est%20%3Cb%3Epossible%3C/b%3E%20
> !
> (même logique avec openseamap.org).
>
> Dans le dernier cas, tu peux créer une url courte à la volée.
> Ou avoir une page acceptant les paramètres usuels (zoom,lat,lon et marker
> : voir un # équivalent
> #17/48.80555/2.11600/ mon
> texte) et tu rediriges sur le site qui va bien.
>
> Jean-Yvon
>
>
>
> Le 21/01/2016 22:44, François Lacombe - fl.infosrese...@gmail.com a
> écrit :
>
> Bonsoir Jean-Yvon et merci :)
>
> Le 21 janvier 2016 à 22:33,   
>  a écrit :
>
> Tu peux toujours monter un serveur WMS (il y en a aussi des publics) sur des
> tuiles OSM et demander une image "qui va bien".
>
> Non je ne souhaite pas installer ce genre de composant pour ce projet.
>
> Par contre utiliser un WMS public qui me permettrait de générer
> quelques dalles par jour ca serait le top
>
>
> Pourquoi ne pas "bêtement" utiliser un greffon comme celui utilisé ici ?
> Tu veux que ça passe sur le téléphone le plus simple (avec écran graphique
> quand même) ou de l'embarqué ?
>
> Dans l'exemple c'est un greffon GIS spip, mais il y en a pour un peu tous
> les systèmes de publication de contenu.
> Tu peux aussi avoir une umap et des données récupérées par ailleurs
> dynamiquement.
>
> Parce que Twitter ne permet pas d'intégrer une slipy-map dans ses
> tweet. Il faut obligatoirement un fichier png ou jpeg.
>
> A moi ensuite d'ajouter sur le fond de carte la feature que je veux,
> avec la mise en forme souhaitée.
>
> L'idée du WMS doit être la bonne
>
>
> Bonne soirée
>
> François
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Re: [Talk-at] FOSSGIS 2016 - Call for Participation

[Friedrich Volkmann]

On 22.01.2016 01:15, Peter Barth wrote:
> Falls euch das Wort "Konferenz" zurückschrecken lässt oder ihr euch
> denkt, dass das nur was für "Wissenschaftler", "Softwareentwickler" und
> "Firmen" ist, dann muss ich euch eines Besseren belehren. Wir suchen
> nämlich explizit auch Vorträge aus der Praxis. Das können Berichte über
> eure Mappingprojekte sein, über den Stand der Datenbasis in eurer
> Region, Details zu eurem eigenen OSM-Bastelprojekt oder auch Erfahrungen
> mit verschiedenen Mappingtechniken. Es gibt eine Vielzahl an
> Möglichkeiten einen interessanten Vortrag einzureichen.
> 
> Ihr dürft auch keine Angst vor dem Vortrag selbst haben, ihr sprecht
> schließlich zu Leuten wie euch: anderen Mappern :)

Für den Zweck gibt es Mailinglisten, Webforen und das Wiki, und für die
Präsentation von Mappingtechniken eignet sich auch Youtube.

Leute, die viel mappen, nehmen an solchen Konferenzen nicht teil, weil sie
gar keine Zeit dafür haben. Man kann nicht einem normalen Job nachgehen, in
der Freizeit auf eigene Kosten mappen, sich in
Mailinglisten/Webforen/Wiki/PMs einbringen und dann auch noch auf eigene
Kosten von Konferenz zu Konferenz touren. Mein Eindruck von Konferenzen
generell - nicht nur im Umfeld von OSM - ist, dass doch hauptsächlich Leute
teilnehmen, die beruflich damit zu tun haben und sich meist auch die Reise
und den Aufenthalt von der Firma (bzw. vom Staat) bezahlen lassen. Und genau
die sind es auch, die schon Übung haben im Reden und im Präsentieren. Wer
das nicht gewohnt ist, läuft Gefahr, nur herumzustottern und mit der Technik
zu kämpfen.

Es wäre auch Anmaßung, wenn ein Mapper "sein" Projekt in OSM präsentiert.
OSM ist ein Gemeinschaftsprojekt von hunderttausenden Mappern, und keiner
kann für alle sprechen. Auch die Teilprojekte werden üblicherweise von
mehreren gleichberechtigten Personen betrieben, mit unterschiedlichen
Ansichten und Arbeitsweisen. Selbst wenn jemand sein Teilprojekt großteils
alleine durchzieht, wär eine vorherige Abklärung doch wünschenswerter als
eine nachherige Präsentation. Man stelle sich vor, Wasserburger, Railjet
oder aktuell Mentz würden ihre Projekte bei einer Konferenz präsentieren. Da
würden sich alle anderen vor den Kopf gestoßen fühlen.

Aber gut, dass du das Thema angesprochen hast.

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