Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
Hi Nick, Thats awesome - thank you :-) Best, Adam On 26 Jan 2013, at 15:30, Nick Whitelegg wrote: OK should have both Oxfordshire and Bucks now. (discovered the latter was also on geofabrik) It may take some time to render first time you try somewhere out, as it's got to generate the geojson from the database... but the geojson is now cached making it much faster on subsequent requests. Nick -Adam Hoyle adam.li...@dotankstudios.com wrote: - To: talk-gb Talk-GB talk-gb@openstreetmap.org From: Adam Hoyle adam.li...@dotankstudios.com Date: 25/01/2013 10:18AM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=) On 24 Jan 2013, at 14:34, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? Or is there somewhere that already exists that renders designations? Yes - www.free-map.org.uk. (at least for southern and northern England and Wales) sad to say it doesn't appear to cover the chilterns - I think it might have done a while ago, but not now :'( On 24 Jan 2013, at 15:01, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: Since the public rights of way tagging using designation=* is a very British (actually English and Welsh) thing, I doubt it will ever be rendered on the main OSM map. :-( I'm sure you're probably correct, but are we sure designation doesn't apply outside of the UK? I think it's worth pursuing - anyone know what the process is to request it's added - it would add some much value to the UK map that I really do think it's worth making the case to have it added. However, depending on what you're interested in, there's a nice view from ITO that highlights ways tagged with the main PRoW designation tags: http://www.itoworld.com/map/87#fullscreen That's awesome, although depressingly it shows just how few I have actually managed to tag with a designation :'( Thanks all! Adam ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
OK should have both Oxfordshire and Bucks now. (discovered the latter was also on geofabrik) It may take some time to render first time you try somewhere out, as it's got to generate the geojson from the database... but the geojson is now cached making it much faster on subsequent requests. Nick -Adam Hoyle adam.li...@dotankstudios.com wrote: - To: talk-gb Talk-GB talk-gb@openstreetmap.org From: Adam Hoyle adam.li...@dotankstudios.com Date: 25/01/2013 10:18AM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance foradding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=) On 24 Jan 2013, at 14:34, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? Or is there somewhere that already exists that renders designations? Yes - www.free-map.org.uk. (at least for southern and northern England and Wales) sad to say it doesn't appear to cover the chilterns - I think it might have done a while ago, but not now :'( On 24 Jan 2013, at 15:01, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: Since the public rights of way tagging using designation=* is a very British (actually English and Welsh) thing, I doubt it will ever be rendered on the main OSM map. :-( I'm sure you're probably correct, but are we sure designation doesn't apply outside of the UK? I think it's worth pursuing - anyone know what the process is to request it's added - it would add some much value to the UK map that I really do think it's worth making the case to have it added. However, depending on what you're interested in, there's a nice view from ITO that highlights ways tagged with the main PRoW designation tags: http://www.itoworld.com/map/87#fullscreen That's awesome, although depressingly it shows just how few I have actually managed to tag with a designation :'( Thanks all! Adam ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
Sorry - to follow that up, contours aren't available for the whole of the area. I'll try and sort this out but might be some time as I don't have the files to hand. Nick -Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: - To: Adam Hoyle adam.li...@dotankstudios.com From: Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk Date: 26/01/2013 03:32PM Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance foradding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=) OK should have both Oxfordshire and Bucks now. (discovered the latter was also on geofabrik) It may take some time to render first time you try somewhere out, as it's got to generate the geojson from the database... but the geojson is now cached making it much faster on subsequent requests. Nick -Adam Hoyle adam.li...@dotankstudios.com wrote: - To: talk-gb Talk-GB talk-gb@openstreetmap.org From: Adam Hoyle adam.li...@dotankstudios.com Date: 25/01/2013 10:18AM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=) On 24 Jan 2013, at 14:34, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? Or is there somewhere that already exists that renders designations? Yes - www.free-map.org.uk. (at least for southern and northern England and Wales) sad to say it doesn't appear to cover the chilterns - I think it might have done a while ago, but not now :'( On 24 Jan 2013, at 15:01, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: Since the public rights of way tagging using designation=* is a very British (actually English and Welsh) thing, I doubt it will ever be rendered on the main OSM map. :-( I'm sure you're probably correct, but are we sure designation doesn't apply outside of the UK? I think it's worth pursuing - anyone know what the process is to request it's added - it would add some much value to the UK map that I really do think it's worth making the case to have it added. However, depending on what you're interested in, there's a nice view from ITO that highlights ways tagged with the main PRoW designation tags: http://www.itoworld.com/map/87#fullscreen That's awesome, although depressingly it shows just how few I have actually managed to tag with a designation :'( Thanks all! Adam ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb = ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
Hi Barry, On 24 Jan 2013 11:38, Barry Cornelius barrycorneliu...@gmail.com wrote: Please can you confirm that the routes are now better... The Devon kml data looks spot on now. thanks, Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
On 24 Jan 2013, at 14:34, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? Or is there somewhere that already exists that renders designations? Yes - www.free-map.org.uk. (at least for southern and northern England and Wales) sad to say it doesn't appear to cover the chilterns - I think it might have done a while ago, but not now :'( On 24 Jan 2013, at 15:01, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: Since the public rights of way tagging using designation=* is a very British (actually English and Welsh) thing, I doubt it will ever be rendered on the main OSM map. :-( I'm sure you're probably correct, but are we sure designation doesn't apply outside of the UK? I think it's worth pursuing - anyone know what the process is to request it's added - it would add some much value to the UK map that I really do think it's worth making the case to have it added. However, depending on what you're interested in, there's a nice view from ITO that highlights ways tagged with the main PRoW designation tags: http://www.itoworld.com/map/87#fullscreen That's awesome, although depressingly it shows just how few I have actually managed to tag with a designation :'( Thanks all! Adam___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? Or is there somewhere that already exists that renders designations? Yes - www.free-map.org.uk. (at least for southern and northern England and Wales) sad to say it doesn't appear to cover the chilterns - I think it might have done a while ago, but not now :'( It covers most of the counties at: http://download.geofabrik.de/openstreetmap/europe/great_britain/england/ plus Wales (all - easier to deal with being a more sparsely-populated area hence less data) It's just about impossible on my server to import the whole of England, let alone the UK, into postgres using osm2pgsql, so I'm having to do it county-by-county. Consequently I'm restricted to using (most of) the counties on Geofabrik. I could add Oxfordshire (available on geofabrik) to the coverage area, would that help for your area? I do have one or two possible offers of server space so there is the possibility of extending Freemap back to the whole of the UK. Nick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
On 25 Jan 2013, at 10:42, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? Or is there somewhere that already exists that renders designations? Yes - www.free-map.org.uk. (at least for southern and northern England and Wales) sad to say it doesn't appear to cover the chilterns - I think it might have done a while ago, but not now :'( It's just about impossible on my server to import the whole of England, let alone the UK, into postgres using osm2pgsql, so I'm having to do it county-by-county. Consequently I'm restricted to using (most of) the counties on Geofabrik. completely understand. I could add Oxfordshire (available on geofabrik) to the coverage area, would that help for your area? Annoyingly I straddle the border between South Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire - if I had to choose I'd go for Bucks, as that's where the better walks are ;-) I do have one or two possible offers of server space so there is the possibility of extending Freemap back to the whole of the UK. that would be awesome :-) Best, Adam ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
On 23 Jan 2013 23:22, Barry Cornelius barrycorneliu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2013, Kevin Peat wrote: The Converted kml file for Devon on this page: http://www.rowmaps.com/kmls/DN/ Great, thanks. Each path has a name, e.g.: DN Seaton Footpath 2 It would help if you gave the names of some of the paths you have problems with. Sorry, I should have asked this earlier If you look at DN Dartmouth Bridleway 1 with the OS map background you can see it is offset a little to the south. As I said before not a big deal. Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
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On 23 January 2013 19:38, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: No extra designation tag is needed in my opinion. If they are on the authorities list of streets, then they are legally exactly the same as any other road. Therefore highway=unclassified would be fine. The issue arises when they are not well maintained, narrow, or not suitable for some larger vehicles. We really need some way of identifying this in a tag so that routing engines can suggest an alternative route. I guess some people may use highway=track to make a distinction, but I'm not convinced this is right... I would use the highway tag to record the physical condition/appearance of the highway in the case where it's not maintained to the standard one would expect from a normal road. So if it looks like a farm track, I would use highway=track; and if it looks like a service road, I'd use highway=service. To capture the legal status, I'd then add a suitable designation tag -- designation=unclassified_highway (assuming that is indeed the case). To capture the access rights (which data consumers may well not infer correctly from the designation tag) I'd also add an access=yes. (There may also be edge cases where one of these public highways is subject to a traffic regulation order which might ban motorised vehicles for all or some of the time. In which case it might be appropriate to add motor_vehicle=no or something like motor_vehicle:conditional=no @ Sep-Mar in addition to the general access=yes tag.) This way of doing the tagging is consistent with what is commonly already done with Public Rights of Way. The highway=* tag records the physical appearance of the way (footway, track, road, etc.), the designation=* tag gives the official status, and access tags can be used record the allowable users in a more standard manner. If you also want to record more detail about the condition / surface of the way, the tracktype=* and surface=* tags may also be useful (see the wiki for details). Robert. -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
On 24 January 2013 09:09, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: highway=track, access=yes, designation=unclassified_highway ...makes sense to me for those I have seen. These tracks have no signage at all but clearly there are public access rights which would be nice to reflect in osm. Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013, Kevin Peat wrote: If you look at DN Dartmouth Bridleway 1 with the OS map background you can see it is offset a little to the south. Following some e-mail exchanges with Devon County Council, on 23rd December I corrected a few errors in the metadata of a few routes. Unfortunately, at the same time I introduced the error that you detected. Sorry about that. I've now fixed the maps, the KML files and the GeoJSON files. Please can you confirm that the routes are now better. Thanks. -- Barry Cornelius http://www.northeastraces.com/ http://www.thehs2.com/ http://www.rowmaps.com/ http://www.oxonpaths.com/ http://www.barrycornelius.com/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
On 24 Jan 2013, at 09:09, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: This way of doing the tagging is consistent with what is commonly already done with Public Rights of Way. The highway=* tag records the physical appearance of the way (footway, track, road, etc.), the designation=* tag gives the official status, and access tags can be used record the allowable users in a more standard manner. If you also want to record more detail about the condition / surface of the way, the tracktype=* and surface=* tags may also be useful (see the wiki for details). Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? Or is there somewhere that already exists that renders designations? I've been adding them across the paths / tracks I regularly walk, but it's hard to spot where I've missed them, and I'm sure I've missed loads. Also, slightly more tangentially - I recall a conversation a little while ago, when I was too busy to respond, around barrier=* becoming rendered at lower zoom levels - is there any movement on that, as I'd be very much in favour of it. Thanks in advance, Adam___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? Or is there somewhere that already exists that renders designations? Yes - www.free-map.org.uk. (at least for southern and northern England and Wales) BTW my contribution to the whole ORPA debate is that we need it in designation or similar, as I also believe highway should be the physical status. Most ORPAS are highway=track or path, but that does not incorporate their ORPA-ness. Seeing as they are not signposted in the main (though W Sussex and the Lake District NPA appear to sign them as public way) I have used suspected=orpa in the past. Nick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
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On 24 January 2013 14:28, Adam Hoyle adam.li...@dotankstudios.com wrote: Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? Or is there somewhere that already exists that renders designations? Since the public rights of way tagging using designation=* is a very British (actually English and Welsh) thing, I doubt it will ever be rendered on the main OSM map. :-( However, depending on what you're interested in, there's a nice view from ITO that highlights ways tagged with the main PRoW designation tags: http://www.itoworld.com/map/87#fullscreen Robert. -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
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On 24 Jan 2013 11:38, Barry Cornelius barrycorneliu...@gmail.com wrote: Please can you confirm that the routes are now better... Thanks for that. I'll check it out and let you know (will probably be tomorrow now). Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
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On 24 Jan 2013 15:02, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: Since the public rights of way tagging using designation=* is a very British (actually English and Welsh) thing, I doubt it will ever be rendered on the main OSM map. :-( I don't really see why that would be the case. There must be quite a few tags that are only popular in single countries but that still get rendered. Using designation for legal status effectively deprecates highway=byway and highway=bridleway so if the standard map renders don't keep up they wont be much use for countryside users. Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, Rob Nickerson wrote: Barry, Local government regions in England can be very confusing. For public rights of way the responsibility of legally collating these on the Definitive Map and Statement lies with those regions that are “surveying authorities”. This is the same as the 152 (151 if you exclude the “City of London”) Local Authorities listed in the Principal Authorities table: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_England ... A belated thank you for that message which helped me a lot. I've now added a section for Wales to: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_local_councils that gives some basic information. I hope it's OK. -- Barry Cornelius http://www.northeastraces.com/ http://www.thehs2.com/ http://www.rowmaps.com/ http://www.oxonpaths.com/ http://www.barrycornelius.com/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
In regards to Other roads with public access (ORPA) - this is a term that the Ordnance Survey have used, in other places they are called Unclassified County Road. Most often they are legally the same as a normal road (and should therefore appear in the Local Authorities list if streets, in which case they do not need to appear in the Definitive Map / Definitive Statement). If you are interested in following it up it may be worth asking your local authority if it appears in their list of streets. If not you could ask why not. Basically we want all routes to exist in either the list of streets or the Definitive Map/Statement by 2026. For the misalignment: this may be due to an incorrect projection being used (similar as to what happened with the first release of OS OpenData). I'll check it when I get a spare moment. Rob On 23 January 2013 17:50, Kevin Peat k...@k3v.eu wrote: Hi Barry, On 23 Jan 2013 16:07, Barry Cornelius barrycorneliu...@gmail.com wrote: ... Thanks for your work on this. I've been looking at the Devon data and have integrated a small amount of it local to me. There are a whole bunch of unsurfaced green lanes around here with public access that are not in the dataset. They are often marked on OS Explorer as Other routes with public access. Any idea why they are not included and should there be a legal designation for those? I also noticed that the Devon data (using the kml from your site in josm) appears to be consistently offset a few metres south of where it should be. Not a big deal just FYI really. Kevin (user:devonshire) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
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On 23 Jan 2013 18:58, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: ... Thanks for that. Any thoughts on whether they should be specifically tagged in OSM? Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
No extra designation tag is needed in my opinion. If they are on the authorities list of streets, then they are legally exactly the same as any other road. Therefore highway=unclassified would be fine. The issue arises when they are not well maintained, narrow, or not suitable for some larger vehicles. We really need some way of identifying this in a tag so that routing engines can suggest an alternative route. I guess some people may use highway=track to make a distinction, but I'm not convinced this is right... Ideas welcome (I've not seen enough examples to get an understanding of what these roads are actually like on the ground - photos welcome too) Rob On 23 January 2013 19:17, Kevin Peat k...@k3v.eu wrote: On 23 Jan 2013 18:58, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: ... Thanks for that. Any thoughts on whether they should be specifically tagged in OSM? Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
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On 23 Jan 2013 19:38, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote Ideas welcome (I've not seen enough examples to get an understanding of what these roads are actually like on the ground - photos ... This is one: http://m.google.co.uk/u/m/R9HAqI The ones I have surveyed are glorified farm tracks with mostly gravel or broken concrete surfaces, currently tagged as highway=track which seems appropriate given the surface. Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
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I'm not sure if anyone will be able to help bring some degree of firmness to this, but it is my belief that roads that are on the Local Authority list of streets appear with a solid border in OS StreetView map. So for your example: http://os.openstreetmap.org/?zoom=15lat=50.43928lon=-3.67146layers=B0 Whereas rights of way either do not appear at all, or part appear as a grey road with no border (for access to some building). For example in the following link you see a road from Keepers Cottage to Grotto Lodge. I looked this up and it is a right of way Byway Open to All Traffic. It runs beyond Grotto Lodge, East past Copse, before turning south round Rabbit Warren! You can make out which way the BOAT goes by the missing section in the woods. http://os.openstreetmap.org/?zoom=16lat=51.31394lon=-1.37819layers=B0 == Question == How to indicate this by a tag so that routers are happy yet we still know it is a road. I would start with operator=Local Authority name to capture that it is on the list of streets (perhaps still worth checking). Highway unclassified vs highway track is a difficult one - I'm happy to sit back and hear any arguments from either camp. Either way, lane=1 is probably a must. And ideally we need a not really recommended / avoid unless the alternatives are just as bad / far out of the way type tag. As far as I know we don't have one. :-( Rob On 23 January 2013 20:28, Kevin Peat k...@k3v.eu wrote: On 23 Jan 2013 19:38, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote Ideas welcome (I've not seen enough examples to get an understanding of what these roads are actually like on the ground - photos ... This is one: http://m.google.co.uk/u/m/R9HAqI The ones I have surveyed are glorified farm tracks with mostly gravel or broken concrete surfaces, currently tagged as highway=track which seems appropriate given the surface. Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2013, Kevin Peat wrote: I also noticed that the Devon data (using the kml from your site in josm) appears to be consistently offset a few metres south of where it should be. Not a big deal just FYI really. Which kml file are you referring to? Please give me a URL so that I can download the kml and check. Thanks. -- Barry Cornelius http://www.northeastraces.com/ http://www.thehs2.com/ http://www.rowmaps.com/ http://www.oxonpaths.com/ http://www.barrycornelius.com/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
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On 23 Jan 2013 21:42, Barry Cornelius barrycorneliu...@gmail.com wrote: Which kml file are you referring to? Please give me a URL so that I can download the kml and check... The Converted kml file for Devon on this page: http://www.rowmaps.com/kmls/DN/ Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2013, Kevin Peat wrote: The Converted kml file for Devon on this page: http://www.rowmaps.com/kmls/DN/ Great, thanks. Each path has a name, e.g.: DN Seaton Footpath 2 It would help if you gave the names of some of the paths you have problems with. Sorry, I should have asked this earlier. -- Barry Cornelius http://www.northeastraces.com/ http://www.thehs2.com/ http://www.rowmaps.com/ http://www.oxonpaths.com/ http://www.barrycornelius.com/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
Barry, Local government regions in England can be very confusing. For public rights of way the responsibility of legally collating these on the Definitive Map and Statement lies with those regions that are “surveying authorities”. This is the same as the 152 (151 if you exclude the “City of London”) Local Authorities listed in the Principal Authorities table: *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_England*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_England As shown, “Bedfordshire” is no longer a surveying authority and this is why you get PRoW data from both “Bedford” and “Central Bedfordshire”. If this is understood then we shouldn’t need to tag the local authority as it can be determined from the geography. Similarly Torbay is its own surveying authority and hence it is excluded from Devon’s data. Hope this helps, Rob p.s. the 32 London borough, plus CoL do not have to collate PRoW data. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
