[OSM-talk] reusing OSM POI information
Hi, I've developed an iPhone app / web app for annotating/rating/tagging locations. I haven't formalised this yet but the intention is for the data the app is collecting to be open data - I'm currently intending to use the opendatacommons database license for the data collection and cc-by-sa for the entries themselves. I'm not sure exactly which version of cc-by-sa to use but since 3.0 is the latest I'm thinking of that. I'm interested in reusing the OSM POI information and incorporating it into the database. Conversely I'd like to be able to share back with OSM the data that the app collects, as there is probably a lot of overlap and perhaps new information for you (e.g. additional GPS fixes per POI, etc). Other information like rating and tags and unstructured descriptions you may or may not be interested in but of course that would be available also. I know that OSM has had a lot of discussion about switching licenses so my question is if there is any problem with doing this and if my proposed license choice would be compatible with yours? Also, if I do this who should I attribute - the individual OSM contributors (how?) or OSM or both? I have read the wiki FAQs on this but I thought it would be better to check. On the technical side I have got fields in my database per entry for contributing user, data source (string), and data source identifier (also a string). The first field references the record for a normal user of the app and the other fields are intended to reference the original source of an external POI (normally null as I don't use any external sources yet). I was thinking of something like creating a user called 'osm' and then using the source and source id fields to reference the osm username and node id. In this case the entries would be attributed to OSM. Alternatively I could create dummy user records for external contributors, which would attribute the entries to individuals. Having the node ID should also make it easier to match up entries across the two DBs. Also if necessary, adding to the schema is not too much of a problem. Cheers, Frank ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway
Whiteleggnick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: In the UK I would tag such a path as foot=designated;bicycle=permissive; and pragmatically highway=footway for the moment, using the generally-accepted definition of footway as urban surfaced path (though would prefer highway=path; surface=paved) That is not the definition of footway. highway=footway is For designated footpaths, i.e. mainly/exclusively for pedestrians. that's the recent wiki recommendation, but I guess footway is far older than this definition from Jan 08. Don't know how many footways have been in the db till then and how many were added afterwards not corresponding to this definition, but might be lots ;-) Sure, but perpetuating deprecated definitions via the mailing list without specifically indicating them as such (deprecated) is IMHO damaging. My comment on footway meaning urban surfaced path was based on many recent mailing list discussions which seem to indicate that there was a tendency to use footway for urban paths and path for mud/dirt/rock paths in the countryside. Based on that perceived tendency, plus my own preferences, that's what I've been doing recently. Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Selecting cycleways
I would like to render a map that highlights all the cycleways. Could the tagging specialists on the list check if this query would give me what I want and correct if there is something wrong or missing? WHERE highway=cycleway OR highway=footway AND (bicycle=yes OR bicycle=designated OR bicycle=permissive) OR highway=path AND (bicycle=yes OR bicycle=designated OR bicycle=permissive) OR highway=briddleway AND (bicycle=yes OR bicycle=designated OR bicycle=permissive) OR highway is not null AND cycleway is not null #I cannot handle cycleway=opposite_lane or left/right thing in #rendering yet so I do not care Should I add also 'OR bicycle=official'? (With 'cycleway' I mean something like 'A way that can legally be used for cycling and that 95% of urban people riding 300-3000 km per year with a bicycle would say well suitable for riding a 5 km distance to work wearing jeans and having a briefcase on a rack'). -Jukka Rahkonen- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway
Roy Wallace wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Richard Mannrichard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: The deprecation of footway/cycleway was voted on (by not many people, but nevertheless), and the deprecation was rejected, but some people don't seem to be able to take no for an answer. It was? Maybe that was before my time. On http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Approved_features/Path you may count how many people approved the proposal but explicitly opposed the deprecation of existing tags. Hatto ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/13 Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de: Proposal #2: Introduce offical dedication Leave old tags as they are and accept that foot/cycleway and designated are as fuzzy as described above. Clarify that these tags only give information on possible use, but not about the legal situation. Introduce a new tag biclyce/foot=official to tag the strict use case of road-signed ways or corresponding legal dedication. This way, nothing needs to be changed in existing fuzzy tagging, but real foot/cycleways are simply tagged by adding an official or changing designated to official if appropriate. IMHO if this solution is chosen we should also deprecate designated, as it is of no more use, and would just lead to possible problems when contradictory to official. I appreciate Nop's proposal - but why replace designated by official? I do not see that designated has been used in the past with a meaning differing from what official would be used for in future. Or did I miss anything in this discussion? Hatto ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Link for editing via JOSM-remote-control-plugin
Hi! can somebody add a link to open JOSM (localhost:8111) to http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/ ? Regards, Alexander ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway
Hatto von Hatzfeld wrote: On http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Approved_features/Path you may count how many people approved the proposal but explicitly opposed the deprecation of existing tags. Yes, many participants opposed the deprecation, as did I. However, I wanted to keep those tags as clearly defined shortcuts for common key combinations (that is, highway=footway e.g. should be exactly the same as highway=path + foot=designated), simply to ease transition and save some typing effort. Right now, however, people are trying to interpret some additional meaning into the path vs. *way distinction that originally wasn't there at all. (Things like paved surface, urban vs. rural, intentionally maintained etc.) This is definitely *not* what I voted for. Tobias Knerr ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Link for editing via JOSM-remote-control-plugin
On 17/08/09 10:52, Alexander Menk wrote: can somebody add a link to open JOSM (localhost:8111) to http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/ ? We've been over this many times - it is not appropriate to unconditionally add a a link that will not work for most people. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Why I love Tagwatch
I wouldn't have found these two ways otherwise: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35039425 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35107068 I particularly like the airplane tag on the second way, though it was the boat tags (yes, if you can :D) that helped me locate these two ways. Ed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Link for editing via JOSM-remote-control-plugin
Maybe it is possible to show JOSM links for logged in users? And add possibility turn on/off this links in user settings? I agree with Alexander, JOSM links will be very useful. Aleksejs On 2009.08.17, at 12:56, Tom Hughes wrote: On 17/08/09 10:52, Alexander Menk wrote: can somebody add a link to open JOSM (localhost:8111) to http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/ ? We've been over this many times - it is not appropriate to unconditionally add a a link that will not work for most people. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Link for editing via JOSM-remote-control-plugin
Hi! I think that is what Tom hat in mind as well. Looks like there are some small modifications needed in: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/sites/rails_port/app/views/user/account.html.erb http://svn.openstreetmap.org/sites/rails_port/app/views/browse/node.html.erb and may be in http://svn.openstreetmap.org/sites/rails_port/app/models/user_preference.rb Unfortunately I do not have any idea how to set up a test system and so on. Anybody who has experience with this? Alex Aleksejs Mjaliks wrote: Maybe it is possible to show JOSM links for logged in users? And add possibility turn on/off this links in user settings? I agree with Alexander, JOSM links will be very useful. Aleksejs On 2009.08.17, at 12:56, Tom Hughes wrote: On 17/08/09 10:52, Alexander Menk wrote: can somebody add a link to open JOSM (localhost:8111) to http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/ ? We've been over this many times - it is not appropriate to unconditionally add a a link that will not work for most people. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OSM on a handheld GPS
All Garmin etrex, gpsmap, colorado, oregon, etc which are able to display normal garmin maps. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Garmin ... but get a model with a colour display. -- Morten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Video inputs to OpenStreetView
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 8:35 PM, OJ Wojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm just looking at ways of getting video-camera data into openstreetview http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Georeference_video http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StreetPhotos/test3/output.kml is anyone else working with georeferenced videos for mapping? I tried but my point and shoot overheated, and the time stamps/framerate was 10s off in the end.. :-) Anyways I was pointed to a camera that records your journey. http://technabob.com/blog/2009/08/12/selfic-cube-7100-car-black-box-recorder/ Available for ~150 euro with shipping. http://english.gmarket.co.kr/challenge/neo_goods/goods.asp?goodscode=167668112 -- /Erik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Video inputs to OpenStreetView
--- On Mon, 17/8/09, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote: Anyways I was pointed to a camera that records your journey. http://technabob.com/blog/2009/08/12/selfic-cube-7100-car-black-box-recorder/ Is 640x480 good enough? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-Postal an idea to extend Walking-Papers to not connected people
El Domingo, 16 de Agosto de 2009, Shaun McDonald escribió: I'd like the option to be able to use the nonames style, as there is often people looking for unnamed streets and POIs. +1 Some of us have only black-and-white printers. Is there any possibility of developing a new B/W map style?? (Less use of colors, more use of dashed lines, pattern fills and such) An easier way to print off several adjacent maps for a mapping party would be useful. +1 Though, if A3 size or larger maps could be printed, there is client-side software capable of splitting that into A4 sheets (KDE has that festure built-in since ages ago). Cheers, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Q: How many Zen masters does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: None. The Universe spins the bulb, and the Zen master stays out of the way. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-Postal an idea to extend Walking-Papers to not connected people
On 17/08/2009 13:30, Emilie Laffray wrote: 2009/8/17 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es mailto:i...@sanchezortega.es Some of us have only black-and-white printers. Is there any possibility of developing a new B/W map style?? (Less use of colors, more use of dashed lines, pattern fills and such) +1 Emilie Laffray and +1 from me too. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Video inputs to OpenStreetView
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: --- On Mon, 17/8/09, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote: Anyways I was pointed to a camera that records your journey. http://technabob.com/blog/2009/08/12/selfic-cube-7100-car-black-box-recorder/ Is 640x480 good enough? ;) ofcourse we want 1080p ;) But to be honest, having seen progressing 480p out of a canon in MJPEG, I'm very happy to watch that ;) Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Video inputs to OpenStreetView
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, Erik Johansson wrote: On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 8:35 PM, OJ Wojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm just looking at ways of getting video-camera data into openstreetview http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Georeference_video http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StreetPhotos/test3/output.kml is anyone else working with georeferenced videos for mapping? I tried but my point and shoot overheated, and the time stamps/framerate was 10s off in the end.. :-) The Elphel geocamera gives direction GPS etc. embedded in the video stream. That would probably the killer cam ;) Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Video inputs to OpenStreetView
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Stefan de Koninkste...@konink.de wrote: On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: Is 640x480 good enough? ;) ofcourse we want 1080p ;) is 640x480 good enough e.g to read street names and other signs? -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' homepage: http://www.trueelena.org email: elena.valha...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Video inputs to OpenStreetView
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, Elena of Valhalla wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Stefan de Koninkste...@konink.de wrote: On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: Is 640x480 good enough? ;) ofcourse we want 1080p ;) is 640x480 good enough e.g to read street names and other signs? Signs yes, names... I have doubts. But this will also depend on the shutterspeed (motion blur prevention). For now Tijs does only work on photos with the name as subject on the photo. Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs?
Apollinaris Schoell wrote: there is something better already http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org/ Is there a way of getting data out of that easily? If there is it would make sense to be able to convert bugs within an area to e.g. Garmin waypoints. I tend to use those for stuff I need to come back to. They don't get added to the main map, obviously, but you can get an idea by looking at a recent public trace of mine such as http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/traces/454421 . I tend to use blue for stuff to come back to, green for done and other symbols for particular features. Before going somewhere I create a GPX of all waypoints within the area and send it to my GPS and then edit e.g. blue to green when something is completed. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Selecting cycleways
2009/8/17 Rahkonen Jukka jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi: I would like to render a map that highlights all the cycleways. Could the tagging specialists on the list check if this query would give me what I want and correct if there is something wrong or missing? WHERE highway=cycleway OR highway=footway AND (bicycle=yes OR bicycle=designated OR bicycle=permissive) OR highway=path AND (bicycle=yes OR bicycle=designated OR bicycle=permissive) OR highway=briddleway AND (bicycle=yes OR bicycle=designated OR bicycle=permissive) OR highway is not null AND cycleway is not null #I cannot handle cycleway=opposite_lane or left/right thing in #rendering yet so I do not care Should I add also 'OR bicycle=official'? yes, if you want all of them I'd recommend to (maybe depends on the area in which you're mapping). I'd also have a look at tagwatch searching for cycle to see all the possible variations. I'm not a programmer but it seems to me that you're missing same parenthesis, e.g. where highway=cycleway or (highway=footway and (x1 or x2 or x3)) or (path and cycleway) or ... cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Video inputs to OpenStreetView
From: Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: Is 640x480 good enough? ;) ofcourse we want 1080p ;) is 640x480 good enough e.g to read street names and other signs? http://home.att.net/~niceman/VidCap1.jpg I took that yesterday from a helmet cam 1280 X 720. Generally I cannot read street signs across the street. This one is partially blurred by motion. The actual results for a an OpenStreetView session would depend on the camera's field of view and speed of movement. In practice, if there were 4 videos with smaller fields of view, street signs would be more readable. OpenStreetView might prefer a larger field of view for a better feel for the location rather than being able to read small print street signs. Mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Selecting cycleways
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/17 Rahkonen Jukka jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi: OR highway=briddleway AND bridleway, but I guess that's just a typo. (bicycle=yes OR bicycle=designated OR bicycle=permissive) OR highway is not null AND cycleway is not null You might want check for cycleway=no here, there are a few hundreds of them. I'd also have a look at tagwatch searching for cycle to see all the possible variations. I wouldn't do this. Just correct those variations (aka errors) in the data if you care about them. I'm not a programmer but it seems to me that you're missing same parenthesis Assuming AND binds more strongly than OR, the query seems correct. Tobias Knerr ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Selecting cycleways
Tobias Knerr wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Rahkonen Jukka wrote: OR highway=briddleway AND bridleway, but I guess that's just a typo. (bicycle=yes OR bicycle=designated OR bicycle=permissive) OR highway is not null AND cycleway is not null You might want check for cycleway=no here, there are a few hundreds of them. I'd also have a look at tagwatch searching for cycle to see all the possible variations. I wouldn't do this. Just correct those variations (aka errors) in the data if you care about them. I'm not a programmer but it seems to me that you're missing same parenthesis Assuming AND binds more strongly than OR, the query seems correct. Tobias Knerr Thanks to both of you. I did not even try to write totally correct SQL, I can handle it if I understand what variations I must search for. I believe I have to simplify the final rendering step by creating an own column to the database to collect the cycleways or otherwise the on-demand queries are getting too complicated for my WMS server. -Jukka- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Selecting cycleways
2009/8/17 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'd also have a look at tagwatch searching for cycle to see all the possible variations. I wouldn't do this. Just correct those variations (aka errors) in the data if you care about them. I wasn't referring to typos but to some strange tags like byway and maybe others, that might be interesting for bicycles as well. If you find some typos it's good to correct them obviously, not to put them in the query. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway
... but, rightly or wrongly, I do not think I am alone in using highway=footway for all paths intended primarily for pedestrians whether urban or rural, designated or not, designation=anything - the only real exception I make is (mostly) in rural areas where the path is clearly informal and of undefined status, where I would use highway=path. I arrive at this after a very long recycle of messages earlier on in this same discussion group and it is also consistent with http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_public_rights_of_way . Please understand that I am not arguing a case here - merely recording what I currently do and why I do it. Once again it would appear that there are inconsistencies both in practice and within the different pages of the wiki. This is not surprising but it does, understandably, give rise to confusion and to lengthy discussions (witness the length of this thread). How to resolve? Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Nick Whitelegg [mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk] Sent: 17 August 2009 09:14 To: Roy Wallace Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway Whiteleggnick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: In the UK I would tag such a path as foot=designated;bicycle=permissive; and pragmatically highway=footway for the moment, using the generally-accepted definition of footway as urban surfaced path (though would prefer highway=path; surface=paved) That is not the definition of footway. highway=footway is For designated footpaths, i.e. mainly/exclusively for pedestrians. that's the recent wiki recommendation, but I guess footway is far older than this definition from Jan 08. Don't know how many footways have been in the db till then and how many were added afterwards not corresponding to this definition, but might be lots ;-) Sure, but perpetuating deprecated definitions via the mailing list without specifically indicating them as such (deprecated) is IMHO damaging. My comment on footway meaning urban surfaced path was based on many recent mailing list discussions which seem to indicate that there was a tendency to use footway for urban paths and path for mud/dirt/rock paths in the countryside. Based on that perceived tendency, plus my own preferences, that's what I've been doing recently. Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Link for editing via JOSM-remote-control-plugin
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:56:43 +0100 From: Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Link for editing via JOSM-remote-control-plugin To: talk@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: 4a89295b.9040...@compton.nu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 17/08/09 10:52, Alexander Menk wrote: can somebody add a link to open JOSM (localhost:8111) to http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/ ? We've been over this many times - it is not appropriate to unconditionally add a a link that will not work for most people. These kinds of things can easily be fixed using a tool like Greasemonkey. I've made a few scripts myself, but none that is suitable for general consumption. But it's really easy to make them. /Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Link for editing via JOSM-remote-control-plugin
Martin Norbäck wrote: Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:56:43 +0100 From: Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Link for editing via JOSM-remote-control-plugin To: talk@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: 4a89295b.9040...@compton.nu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 17/08/09 10:52, Alexander Menk wrote: can somebody add a link to open JOSM (localhost:8111) to http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/ ? We've been over this many times - it is not appropriate to unconditionally add a a link that will not work for most people. These kinds of things can easily be fixed using a tool like Greasemonkey. I've made a few scripts myself, but none that is suitable for general consumption. But it's really easy to make them Greasemonkey sounds more like a workaround to me in this case :) Alex ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway
... but, rightly or wrongly, I do not think I am alone in using highway=footway for all paths intended primarily for pedestrians whether urban or rural, designated or not, designation=anything - the only real exception I make is (mostly) in rural areas where the path is clearly informal and of undefined status, where I would use highway=path. I arrive at this after a very long recycle of messages earlier on in this same discussion group and it is also consistent with http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_public_rights_of_way . This was originally my page, I have to admit, but is old, and came about before the widespread use of path. I could change it to my own feelings on the matter but given the sensitivity to changing wiki pages on tagging, I'm not sure whether I should ;-) Please understand that I am not arguing a case here - merely recording what I currently do and why I do it. Once again it would appear that there are inconsistencies both in practice and within the different pages of the wiki. This is not surprising but it does, understandably, give rise to confusion and to lengthy discussions (witness the length of this thread). How to resolve? Mike Harris Each country (or at least, each country with significant off-road mapping being done) could have a group of people with significant experience in countryside mapping (thinking walkers and off road cyclists) who could sit down (figuratively speaking, more likely communicate over the net) and thrash out the requirements of their own country, and come up with a catch-all proposal. Then, representatives of each country group could compare notes and thrash out an internationally-acceptable proposal. My own feeling is we need agreement otherwise the renderer rules have to get more and more (and more) complex! The recommendation should be just that, not a thou shalt follow or else rule, but the renderers would then follow the recommendation. Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] How to tag this barrier?
Hi, In this chapter of How the f*** do I tag this piece of s***?, I ask everyone to have a look at these images: http://ivan.sanchezortega.es/30072009_006.jpg http://ivan.sanchezortega.es/30072009_007.jpg At the right of the image, you'll see some retractable bollards. You know, a bollard that mechanically dissapears into the ground with a remote control or something. A standard bollard is barrier=bollard, but how to tag a retractable one? To the left of those, you'll see a couple of yellow foldable thingamajig. They are supposed to stay folded at ground level to allow traffic, and they can be deployed up and locked up (with a key) in order to prevent any vehicles from passing through (sometimes the thingamajigs are used to prevent people from parking somewhere instead). So, how to tag the barrier=retractable_bollard and the barrier=foldable_thingamajig? Cheers, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es http://ivan.sanchezortega.es Proudly running Debian Linux with 2.6.30-1-amd64 kernel, KDE 3.5.10, and PHP 5.2.10-2 generating this signature. Uptime: 17:32:47 up 27 min, 4 users, load average: 0.89, 1.04, 1.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag this barrier?
2009/8/17 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es: Hi, In this chapter of How the f*** do I tag this piece of s***?, I ask everyone to have a look at these images: http://ivan.sanchezortega.es/30072009_006.jpg http://ivan.sanchezortega.es/30072009_007.jpg At the right of the image, you'll see some retractable bollards. You know, a bollard that mechanically dissapears into the ground with a remote control or something. A standard bollard is barrier=bollard, but how to tag a retractable one? So, how to tag the barrier=retractable_bollard and the barrier=foldable_thingamajig? Functionally aren't these gates that allow bikes and pedestrians even while closed? barrier=gate; bicycle=yes pedestrian=yes access=keymaster ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag this barrier?
2009/8/17 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es: So, how to tag the barrier=retractable_bollard and the barrier=foldable_thingamajig? I'd tag barrier=bollard, bollard=foldable or barrier:type=foldable cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag this barrier?
On 17 Aug 2009, at 16:42, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: To the left of those, you'll see a couple of yellow foldable thingamajig. They are supposed to stay folded at ground level to allow traffic, and they can be deployed up and locked up (with a key) in order to prevent any vehicles from passing through (sometimes the thingamajigs are used to prevent people from parking somewhere instead). So, how to tag the barrier=retractable_bollard and the barrier=foldable_thingamajig? I'd say a barrier=rising_bollard, which I though had been already used. Shaun smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Link for editing via JOSM-remote-control-plugin
This is true if you use Greasemonkey to *remove* existing josm-links, but (in my eyes) not if you're proposing a Greasemonkey-script to add them. Peter These kinds of things can easily be fixed using a tool like Greasemonkey. I've made a few scripts myself, but none that is suitable for general consumption. But it's really easy to make them Greasemonkey sounds more like a workaround to me in this case :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Multipolygon issue
Hello, I have just noticed that some inner polygons disappeared recently since the last import by osm2pgsql. The forest/wood had inner polygons but it seems the forest decided to take over the city that was within its borders. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.9598lon=1.9778zoom=14layers=B000FTF Has anything changed regarding multipolygons? I am keen to know whether it is a bug or whether I should upgrade the forest. Emilie Laffray ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway
2009/8/17 Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com: ... but, rightly or wrongly, I do not think I am alone in using highway=footway for all paths intended primarily for pedestrians whether urban or rural, designated or not, designation=anything +1 - the only real exception I make is (mostly) in rural areas where the path is clearly informal and of undefined status, where I would use highway=path. not to forget, that those paths are IMHO the most important, as they are usually not covered in other maps, but indicate the need (and solution) for a connection ;-) cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway
Hi! Hatto von Hatzfeld schrieb: I appreciate Nop's proposal - but why replace designated by official? I do not see that designated has been used in the past with a meaning differing from what official would be used for in future. Or did I miss anything in this discussion? Yes. :-) Designated is linked to footway/cycleway and there are about 5 different interpretations on what it means, all of them documented somewhere in the Wiki. Official is new and has only one meaning. bye Nop ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Local Chapters Meeting Minutes WAS Re: Status of the Local Chapter working group
Hello, We just held the first of a new program of Local Chapters meetings. You can find minutes here [1] along with information about the next meeting. The next meeting is proposed for the 24th August at 18.00 - 19:30 BST. I know this is not great for a lot of people who are in non-BST friendly time zones, so if you can't make it but would like to, please add your name to the wiki so we can have a second call at a better time. For the next meeting, it would be good to go through all of the comments from the Local Chapters wiki page - so if you have added a comment and would like to discuss it further, please come and join in the call. I know its hard for non native English speakers to follow long meetings on phone calls and that text based meetings are better for some. A good compromise could be for someone from each of the local communities to volunteer to transcribe onto a local IRC channel and to push any questions to the main IRC, where we can try to answer questions as they come up. This is my best idea for making the process as inclusive as possible - if you have a better idea, please let me know :-) One of the goals of the meeting next week will be to set a timetable for getting local chapters set up, which will be largely dependent on how much we all agree / disagree in the call. Until then, please read over the Local Chapters wiki page and add as many comments or ideas as possible, so we can discuss next week. Best, -- Nick [1] - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters#Past_Meeting_Minutes On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/14 Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org: Hi! I don't mind if anybody wants to have a phone conversation on things. Just keep in mind that most interested people will not be on that phone call and that all the discussions have to be repeated on this list or on the wiki for the benefit of those of us not on the call. yes. I think to discuss in a written form has a lot of advantage respect to a phone-conference. (searchable, re-readable, not dependant on specific temporal availability of contributors and time-zones, less ad-hoc and therefore (sometimes) more reflected, less band-width-dependant, less dependant on language-skills, ...), so in a global project I'd prefer a written discussion. cheers, Martin -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Golf course rendering for OpenStreetMap (mapnik)
Dear all, I've started a mapnik style sheet that renders golf holes with fairways, greens and other goodies. Have a look and help out if you are inclined. http://weait.com/content/golf-course-style-openstreetmap Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] copyright problem with data copied from a map
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Renaud MICHELr.h.michel+...@gmail.com wrote: Any advice? Hi Renaud, I think the best thing for you to do in this case is to contact the Foundation, as explained in the FAQ. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Faq#I_think_someone.27s_been_entering_copyrighted_data_-_how_do_we_deal_with_that.3F Provide all the details you have gathered so far, and it will be passed on. Copyright violation is something we need to take seriously, and the relevant working group can take further actions such as banning the user and removing data from the history should such things prove necessary. You have certainly done the right thing so far by contacting the user directly to make initial investigations. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Golf course rendering for OpenStreetMap (mapnik)
On 8/17/09, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Dear all, I've started a mapnik style sheet that renders golf holes with fairways, greens and other goodies. Have a look and help out if you are inclined. http://weait.com/content/golf-course-style-openstreetmap Best regards, Richard Time for me to play devils advocate here for a moment. I have on rare occasions played golf on a par 3 course (I'm not very good...). But one of the things I do know is that some course maintainers shift the holes from time to time. So while say water hazards stay fairly fixed, a hole may shift by several meters each month... So, how does one track hole movement from month to month? Colin. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Link for editing via JOSM-remote-control-plugin
Alexander Menk wrote: can somebody add a link to open JOSM (localhost:8111) to http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/ ? Just use the JOSM remote bookmarklet, it works fine. http://blog.gegg.us/2009/07/bookmarklet-to-load-the-current-section-of-a- slippy-map-into-josm/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] copyright problem with data copied from a map
Le lundi 17 août 2009 à 20:37, Andy Allan a écrit : Hi Renaud, Hello, thank you for your answer. I think the best thing for you to do in this case is to contact the Foundation, as explained in the FAQ. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Faq#I_think_someone.27s_been_entering_ copyrighted_data_-_how_do_we_deal_with_that.3F I had missed that question in the FAQ, should have read more carefully. Provide all the details you have gathered so far, and it will be passed on. Copyright violation is something we need to take seriously, and the relevant working group can take further actions such as banning the user and removing data from the history should such things prove necessary. You have certainly done the right thing so far by contacting the user directly to make initial investigations. OK, I'll mail them all the informations. thanks -- Renaud Michel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway
Nop wrote: Hatto von Hatzfeld schrieb: I appreciate Nop's proposal - but why replace designated by official? I do not see that designated has been used in the past with a meaning differing from what official would be used for in future. Designated is linked to footway/cycleway and there are about 5 different interpretations on what it means, all of them documented somewhere in the Wiki. You are exaggerating. They all say something like specially designated (typically by a government) for use by a particular mode (or modes) of transport. Official is new and has only one meaning. From Map features: official is used for ways dedicated to a certain mode of travel by law. Usually indicated by a traffic sign. I really do not see where the use of designated has differed from this definition. Hatto ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Golf course rendering for OpenStreetMap (mapnik)
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Colin McGregorcolin.mc...@gmail.com wrote: Time for me to play devils advocate here for a moment. I have on rare occasions played golf on a par 3 course (I'm not very good...). But one of the things I do know is that some course maintainers shift the holes from time to time. So while say water hazards stay fairly fixed, a hole may shift by several meters each month... Hello Barrister to the Devil. ;-) So, how does one track hole movement from month to month? Short answer One does not. That is the responsibility of the golfer. Long answer Pin placement, that is the location of the flag and hole on the green, can move every day for tournaments and every day or two depending on how busy the golf course is. I've traced the outline of the greens as best I can. It would be out of the ordinary for a pin to be placed outside of the green, though sometimes temporary greens are created due to weather damage. I have not, yet addressed pin placement. I am unlikely to address exact, daily pin placement at all, as that would likely fail the map it if it is nailed down test for inclusion in OpenStreetMap. This exact daily pin placement issue is faced by the golf courses as well. They have a scorecard with the distance from each tee printed on it. When the pin moves, that distance changes, but printing these things on-demand does not seem to be the way they work. (At least not at the courses I've seen.) There are also yardage markers on or beside the fairway, usually at 150 yards, and sometimes at 100 and 200 as well. Some courses print yardage to the green on each sprinkler head as well. Each tee box will have a distance marker. The tee blocks indicate from where the golfer must hit, and those may be removed a substantial distance from the nominal marker. You may see golfers pacing in the tee box; they are counting the difference from the nominal distance. Golfers expect the printed pin distance on the scorecard, fairway marker or sprinkler head, to be to the distance to center of the green. Often the flag will give the golfer a clue if the pin is at the front, middle or back of the green by the colour of the flag, or by the height of a smaller flag below the main flag. Other courses have pin zones on the score cards that tell the golfer where on the green the pin will be. Armed with the knowledge of the distance to the center of the green, and the relative position of the pin on the green, the golfer can consider wind, temperature, elevation above sea level, depth of rough, ball lie, and then select the right club. Then I shank it into the woods. Some courses go further than maps and scorecards and supply a guide book. These include for each hole, an idealized shot plan, that shows where a good golfer would land each shot. Even then, given the expense of compiling and printing such a guide, the pins and tees are put in the center of the tee box and green. The golfer calculates the difference. There is a proposal for these ideal shot planners on the wiki but I have not included those yet. I would want to do a site survey to include shot planning for this course. I've also omitted hole number, distance, par and rating as they are not apparent from the aerial imagery. Well we could make safe guesses for par if pressed. Best regards, Richard. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Historic Mapping needs help Now!
Hi I'm again working this year on mapping for the Burning Man arts festival, coming up in two weeks. This makes urgent a growing theme in OSM, with several presentations at this year's SOTM .. how to handle historic data. Here's the current map of Burning Man for 2009. I haven't added Camp locations yet, will come soon. http://playaevents.burningman.com/brc/2009/map/ That map data hasn't been added to OSM.org yet, because the prior year's map is still there, and still being used. For example, Flickr... http://radar.oreilly.com/2008/08/flickr-burning-man-open-street-map.html Why is 2008 historic map data now? Well each year, the location of the festival moves, to minimize impact on the area. Everything is rebuilt, created again over several weeks, existing as a place for one week, and then deconstructed over several weeks. However, the impact of Burning Man is year round, and for years to come; the amount of media generated and geotagged during the event is enormous. Take a look at the photos in the Flickr map to understand why. So I'd like to import 2009 BM into OSM now. But there's a need to retain the 2008 data. I'm opening the question up... what is the best way to mark this data as historic, keep it available as needed, but make sure it doesn't show up in core renderings? Look forward to some good ideas. Thanks Mikel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs?
http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org/dumps/ offers downloads of the raw data. shouldn't be difficult to grep the info and format it into a csv files. Garmin utilities can convert csv files to POI I think only Garmin with memory cards support loading these POI files. This way you don't need to recompile the map On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Someoneelse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote: Apollinaris Schoell wrote: there is something better already http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org/ Is there a way of getting data out of that easily? If there is it would make sense to be able to convert bugs within an area to e.g. Garmin waypoints. I tend to use those for stuff I need to come back to. They don't get added to the main map, obviously, but you can get an idea by looking at a recent public trace of mine such as http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/traces/454421 . I tend to use blue for stuff to come back to, green for done and other symbols for particular features. Before going somewhere I create a GPX of all waypoints within the area and send it to my GPS and then edit e.g. blue to green when something is completed. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] OPENSTREETMAP FOUNDATION - NOTICE OF ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING
On 15 Aug 2009, at 18:20, Richard Weait wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:43 AM, Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org wrote: Nick, Nick Black wrote: I'm going to be standing for election to the OSM Foundation Board again this year. Do you and Steve have any comment on Richard Weait's suggestion that from every commercial organisation, at most one person should be a member of the OSMF board (http://weait.com/cloudmade-layoffs)? I'm very supportive of that, although not exactly out of fear that you might both be looking for a new job at the same time, but more along the lines of what RichardF said in the comments section on that page. This would mean that *either* your *or* SteveC should be on the board but not both of you. It is of course everyone's right to stand for election and let the voters decide if they support Richard's suggestion or not - but I would be interested in hearing your opinion. Nick followed up several times, but I can't see any answer to Frederik's direct question. I'd like to hear replies from each of the candidates on this. Should any single company be able to hold an unlimited number of seats on the Foundation board? A majority? All? I agree with others that the members should be the ones to decide. I don't think arbitrary rules will help much at this stage and I don't think it would ever get to the stage of being a majority or more anyway from any one organisation. There are eleven excellent candidates on the wiki, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM09/Election_to_Board each qualified and suitable to hold a seat on the board. Each worthy of my vote. How does more than a single candidate from any company benefit the Foundation and the project? I'm not standing on a platform of 'I'm at CloudMade therefore vote for me' so really the company issue is a tertiary one. I think you should judge Nick and I on what we've done with our time helping OSM, which is very substantial, and not get hung up on this. The protections in OSM are very strong against anyone taking it over and I'm happy to make them stronger still. And as for the issue of Nick or I being let go from CloudMade... I can assure you I would still work just as hard on OSM. Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List
Hi I think there was a bug introduced during resorting of the list or during the transition from zh-classic - zh-classical. The list behaves strange. Once I noticed that when i changed a country name in one language, the status of the same country name in another language changed also. I cannot verify or nail down any bug from remote. Please see also the image attached which shows a 100.43% progress for translation of the Arabic country names. http://cassini.toolserver.org/~mazder/multilingual-country-list/?lang=ar It reaches 100% when *Tromelin Island *is set to not-ok. Gruess, Micha attachment: fehler language tool.png___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List
Thank you for the bug-report, i'll check both bugs soon. Peter I think there was a bug introduced during resorting of the list or during the transition from zh-classic - zh-classical. The list behaves strange. Once I noticed that when i changed a country name in one language, the status of the same country name in another language changed also. I cannot verify or nail down any bug from remote. Please see also the image attached which shows a 100.43% progress for translation of the Arabic country names. http://cassini.toolserver.org/~mazder/multilingual-country-list/?lang=ar It reaches 100% when /Tromelin Island /is set to not-ok. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-Postal an idea to extend Walking-Papers to not connected people
I made the mistake of ignoring my OSM-talk mail for a few days, I'm really happy to see that people are thinking of ways to work with Walking Papers. I've been building up some steam to work on another set of change requests, now's the time to ask if you have a pet feature you'd like to see added. =) Thanks everyone for the suggestions, I've added these and others to the issues page on Github: http://github.com/migurski/paperwalking/issues I've ordered them very roughly from top to bottom, based on ease of implementation and likelihood. Github seems to have an issue voting system I've never used, maybe this would be useful. If you have some thoughts on importance / details of any issue, try leaving a comment. -mike. michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Historic Mapping needs help Now!
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Look forward to some good ideas. Here is my plan : * Create a separate server that starts with a very old planet file and then processes the diffs. * Use Mercator projection, divide the map into tiles of fixed size of approximately 2km x 2km. Enumerate the tiles according to the Hilbert curve. This scheme works well for rendering cities areas at high zoom most queries (which are the vast majority of queries). The lack of performance on other queries will be more than compensated for (as gosmore proves). * To prevent wasting disk space on ocean, desert and tiles, choose a function that maps the many tiles unto few buckets (hash function). * For each bucket allocate a few kilobytes of disk space. We need to mark it as empty, but there is a nice Linux trick of marking parts of a file as zero and delaying the actual writing until that part of the file is actually modified. * Now add all the data to the file i.e. write the info into the buckets. If a bucket K gets full, use K+1. The structure(s) used for nodes have space to point to the ways that use them. The ways are store in the buckets, preferably next to one of the nodes used in it. Ways point to the nodes that they depend on. Use a similar scheme for relations. * Every node, way and relation must have a start time, end time (initially infinite) and a pointer to its successor. * Now process the diff files. Old nodes, ways relations aren't removed. Instead their end times and successors are updated. * To find old nodes, ways and relations we need an index that maps their id numbers to where they currently are in the file. These indices are not stored in the file (RAM?). Note that I'm only interested in serving bounding box queries for any given time T. I'm not interested in serving queries like Where was node N at time T ? So old versions of this index is not necessary. * To serve a query, iterate over all the tiles and look in the buckets. If a bucket K is full, look in K+1, until you found one with unused space. * Over time many buckets will get full and this will mean that the server will need to linearly search larger and larger parts of the file. When this performance degradation happens (say after several months), we just create a new file. The server then looks at the T values of the queries to choose the correct file. Then the T parameter will appear in the permalink, it will get passed to mod_tile etc. and you will get a map of burning man 2008. And the possibility of differential rendering also exist. Thanks Mikel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List
Peter Körner wrote: It reaches 100% when /Tromelin Island /is set to not-ok. I got Bahasa Indonesia at 229/230 with 2 countries (Tromelin, Turkey) as not ok. -- Lennard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Golf course rendering for OpenStreetMap (mapnik)
On Monday 17 Aug 2009 11:46:20 pm Richard Weait wrote: I've started a mapnik style sheet that renders golf holes with fairways, greens and other goodies. Have a look and help out if you are inclined. http://weait.com/content/golf-course-style-openstreetmap some of us have done considerable work in this area - it is on the wiki. You could incorporate that instead of completely reinventing the wheel -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Golf course rendering for OpenStreetMap (mapnik)
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Kenneth Gonsalveslaw...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Monday 17 Aug 2009 11:46:20 pm Richard Weait wrote: I've started a mapnik style sheet that renders golf holes with fairways, greens and other goodies. Have a look and help out if you are inclined. http://weait.com/content/golf-course-style-openstreetmap some of us have done considerable work in this area - it is on the wiki. You could incorporate that instead of completely reinventing the wheel regards Kenneth Gonsalves Dear Kenneth, I'm sorry that you have found offense where none was intended. I am aware of the work on the wiki[1] and mentioned and linked the wiki in my article as I took much of my guidance from the wiki. Your suggestion that I've reinvented the wheel is baffling. I've used golf=fairway/green/bunker/tee as suggested on the wiki and discussion page[2]. I added golf=tee to the wiki as it was only on the discussion page. None of these are reinventing the wheel. I marked water areas as natural=water and trees as landuse=forest as seen in every country on OpenStreetMap, so surely you are not suggesting that is reinventing the wheel. I've put together an example in mapnik, the discussion page has samples in Kosmos and osmarender. No duplication there. So what has put your nose out of joint? Help me understand you. Best regards, Richard [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Golf_course [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Golf_course ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Golf course rendering for OpenStreetMap (mapnik)
On Tuesday 18 Aug 2009 6:27:10 am you wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Kenneth Gonsalveslaw...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Monday 17 Aug 2009 11:46:20 pm Richard Weait wrote: I've started a mapnik style sheet that renders golf holes with fairways, greens and other goodies. Have a look and help out if you are inclined. http://weait.com/content/golf-course-style-openstreetmap some of us have done considerable work in this area - it is on the wiki. You could incorporate that instead of completely reinventing the wheel regards Kenneth Gonsalves Dear Kenneth, I'm sorry that you have found offense where none was intended. I am aware of the work on the wiki[1] and mentioned and linked the wiki in my article as I took much of my guidance from the wiki. Your suggestion that I've reinvented the wheel is baffling. I've used golf=fairway/green/bunker/tee as suggested on the wiki and discussion page[2]. I added golf=tee to the wiki as it was only on the discussion page. None of these are reinventing the wheel. I marked water areas as natural=water and trees as landuse=forest as seen in every country on OpenStreetMap, so surely you are not suggesting that is reinventing the wheel. I've put together an example in mapnik, the discussion page has samples in Kosmos and osmarender. No duplication there. So what has put your nose out of joint? Help me understand you. I know it sounded a bit abrupt - but actually I am not annoyed with you, I am pleased that you have taken interest in this - actually what made me a bit abrupt is that I have been struggling to get up a local server for India, mainly to properly display golf courses and was frustrated at getting nowhere - so maybe I took it out on you. Apologies. Keep up the good work. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway
Hi! Hatto von Hatzfeld schrieb: Official is new and has only one meaning. From Map features: official is used for ways dedicated to a certain mode of travel by law. Usually indicated by a traffic sign. I really do not see where the use of designated has differed from this definition. Which of the 5 definitions of designated do you mean? :-) Just read this topic from the beginning and you should understand. bye Nop ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Selecting cycleways
On Monday 17 August 2009 16:17:36 Tobias Knerr wrote: OR highway is not null AND cycleway is not null You might want check for cycleway=no here, there are a few hundreds of them. You'd want to exclude cycleway=opposite as well, because that is just removing the oneway restriction for bicycles. -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Local Chapters Meeting Minutes WAS Re: Status of the Local Chapter working group
--- On Tue, 18/8/09, Nick Black nickbla...@gmail.com wrote: Chapters meetings. You can find minutes here [1] along with information about the next meeting. There seems to be more questions posed than answers in the minutes... The next meeting is proposed for the 24th August at 18.00 - 19:30 BST. I know this is not great for a lot of people who are in non-BST friendly time zones, so if you can't make it but would like to, please add your name to the wiki so we can have a second call at a better time. I did, but it didn't seem to make a difference, also there is at least one other person that would like to have been in the conference but wasn't an insomniac last night either. One of the goals of the meeting next week will be to set a timetable for getting local chapters set up, which will be largely dependent on how much we all agree / disagree in the call. Until then, please read over the Local Chapters wiki page and add as many comments or ideas as possible, so we can discuss next week. It's a bit exclusionary to state that and then already acknowledge that people can't make it due to time of day. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-in] w00000t - my server is working
On Tuesday 18 Aug 2009 8:39:41 am H.S.Rai wrote: http://xlquest.net/ Congratulations! setting it up is real hard work - third time I have done it and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-it] tunnel “Via del Nord” a Milan o
nei prossimi giorni ci farò un giro e provo a vedere quello che riuscirò a fare. Luca Brivio ha scritto: In data lunedì 17 agosto 2009 04:30:07, Luca Brivio ha scritto: ho modificato la via Luigi Sturzo di Milano e vie attigue Dimenticavo il link: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.48361lon=9.1892zoom=17layers=B000FTF ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Grosso errore visualizzazione vettoriale JOSM
Buongiorno lista, sto usando la versione 1876 di JOSM su Ubuntu Jaunty, ed ogni volta che aumento leggermente lo zoom, il display di visualizzazione dei dati vettoriali mi diventa completamente bianco, rendendo JOSM di fatto inutilizzabile. Qualcuno sa a cosa può essere dovuto questo problema? Ho provato a disabilitare tutti i plugin, riavviare JOSM, ma niente. A livelli di zoom bassi appare un angolo bianco in alto a sinistra della mappa, e con l'aumentare dello zoom questo angolo bianco si espande fino ad occupare tutta l'area di lavoro. Ci tengo a precisare che oltre ai plugin non avevo cambiato nessuna impostazione del software... boh... buona giornata, -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia projects contributor* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Grosso errore visualizzazione vettoriale JOSM
Il giorno 17 agosto 2009 11.12, Nicola Cadenellinicolacd...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2009/8/17 Francesco de Virgilio fradev...@gmail.com leggermente lo zoom, il display di visualizzazione dei dati vettoriali mi diventa completamente bianco, rendendo JOSM di fatto inutilizzabile. Qualcuno sa a cosa può essere dovuto questo problema? Io stesso ho lo stesso problema però con livelli di zoom 1m! Ciao. -- Cadenelli Nicola. Esatto, il mio errore non è altro che l'esasperazione del tuo. Ed ho appena scoperto da cosa dipende: l'abilitazione dell'antialiasing tra le opzioni relative alla visualizzazione dei Dati OSM. Se disabilito l'antialiasing, tutto fila lisco... e pazienza... http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2417/screenshot001aur.png -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia projects contributor* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Coastline: quanto è precisa?
2009/8/17 ale_z...@libero.it ale_z...@libero.it: OK, oggi allora proseguirò il survey verso San Fruttuoso di Camogli. E' uno sporco lavoro ma qualcuno lo deve pur fare ;-)) Per curiosità, hai provato a confrontare la tua traccia con l'effettiva linea di costa usando GPS Visualizer? http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map_input Ciao, Andrea. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Fwd: OSMF Board Vote 2009
Ciao a tutti, anche se partecipo alla community da poco e ho ancora molto da capire e imparare, cio' non di meno mi sembra importante chiedere a tutti coloro che partecipano a qualunque titolo alle attività della community Italiana (che non avessero già in programma di farlo) ANCHE di votare, e questo per per le seguenti ragioni: - Il controllo (e la trasparenza) sulla Foundation è decisivo , come è ovvio, per non rischiare di vanificare tutto il lavoro che ciascuno di noi sta facendo. ( Domanda forse stupida; correggetemi se sbaglio è vero che i dati sono liberi ma il rendering no, se il DB mi vira in direzione di supportare certo rendering e non altro a che servono i dati liberi?) - Non credo sia tanto importante portare il punto di vista dell'Italia e le sue specificità nella Foundation (è comunque importante; a me interessano ad esempio tutte le problematiche relative ai beni culturali) , quanto avere qualcuno che stimo e di cui mi fido nel board che ci dia visibilità su cio' che accade, quali le decisioni prese, le alleanze , i trend .ecc. Ho avuto il piacere di conoscere Simone Cortesi, di parlare a lungo con lui e apprezzare la sua competenza, trasparenza ed il suo spirito di servizio. MERITA DI RAPPRESENTARMI NEL BOARD E QUINDI HO GIA VOTATO PER SIMONE. :-) In aggiunta ai rimarchevoli e condivisi obiettivi del suo Manifesto chiedo a Simone , se verrà eletto, tra le prime cose di occuparsi anche di rendere la lista degli iscritti alla Foundation pubblica e disponibile anche solo in forma anonima a chi la volesse consultare. A ieri apparentemente la lista non era disponibile - curioso e inquietante allo stesso tempo - per motivi , si dice, di legislazione Inglese sulla privacy (vedere discussione in corso sulla mailing della Foundation - un grazie a Roberto Navoni che ha sollevato il problema ). Vorrei aggiungere che non è tanto importante conoscere nomi, cognomi o indirizzi. Sarebbe sufficiente sapere, per esempio, quanti sono gli impiegati di questa o quella azienda iscritti alla Foundation, giusto per capire quali lobbies, quante lobbies e chi è probabile che parli a nome di chi. Credo che demonizzare i gruppi di interesse o far finta che non esistano in nome di una qualsivoglia presunta purezza sia un approccio poco profittevole; le lobbies ci sono, operano che ci piaccia o no e non c'è modo di eliminarle, l'unico modo per tentare di ridurre i danni potenziali e controllarle è farle venire allo scoperto e regolamentarle. Non votare e non costruire un gruppo di interesse Italiano che agisca in pubblico in quanto tale, è un errore. (attenzione non stiamo facendo un favore a Simone che vuole andare a Londra di tanto in tanto a incontrare la sua old boys network , semmai usiamo il tempo di Simone per farci un favore) Attenzione le lobbies sono importantissime , OSM non sarebbe cio' che è senza lo spirito visionario di imprenditori (gente che vuole diventare ricca) geniali. Bisognerebbe solo tentare di conciliare gli interessi di tutti non su base moralistica, ma su realistici rapporti di forza. Stefano Martinelli Inizio messaggio inoltrato: Da: Martinelli_Filas martine...@filas.it Data: 17 agosto 2009 11:03:10 CEDT A: secret...@osmfoundation.org Cc: osmvotes2...@randomjunk.co.uk, osmvotes2...@bleah.co.uk Oggetto: OSMF Board Vote 2009 Hello, my vote is for Simone Cortesi. Kind Regards Stefano Martinelli ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] key:highway nel wiki
ciao a tutti, come sapete se seguite la talk-ML, la definizione principale della chiave highway in inglese è stata aggiornata - dopo lunghi discussioni - qualche giorno fa (quella tedesca lo era già da qualche mese) per corrispondere più preciso al uso del tag e per evitare possibile confusione per chi legge le definizioni nel WIki. Il cambiamento principale è quello da: Il tag highway è il tag principale utilizzato per le strade, è un tag molto generale utilizzato per fornire una descrizione, a volte vaga, della struttura fisica della strada. a una definizione che dice di guardare sopratutto l'importanza della strada. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Key:highway Mi chiedo se c'è qualcuno chi potrebbe aggiornare anche la nostra traduzione o se c'è secondo voi bisogno di discuterne prima anche sulla ML italiana. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Coastline: quanto è precisa?
2009/8/17 Edoardo 'Yossef' Marascalchi edoa...@edoardomarascalchi.it: ale_z...@libero.it ha scritto: In questi giorni girando intorno al Monte di Portofino in kayak ho seguito il profilo della costa rimanendo a 8 - 10 m da essa; caricando la traccia su Josm trovo delle discrepanze notevoli, in alcuni punti 40 - 50 m; tenete conto che in questa zona il profilo altimetrico è molto scosceso. Il GPS indica una precisione di 3 - 5 m in orizzontale e elevazioni tra -4 e +2 m, quindi tenderei a fidarmi abbastanza del rilevamento. Che faccio, modifico? modifica senza ritengo.. e modifica il tag source in survay si, modifica. è spesso anche zigzag dove la costa è in generale dritto (dovuto alle resoluzione del import). E metti survey come fonte (oppure yahoo-aerial and survey). Ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Organizziamoci sul territorio
Grazie Elena per la tua risposta, si forse è un po' il periodo , ma probabilmente c'e' anche qualche cosa d'altro ... vediamo ... se a noi interessa coordinarci lo faremo poi se si aggiungerà qualcun altro ben venga. Direi che potrebbe essere interessante creare una pagina nel Wiki e iniziare a contartci , io non l'ho ancora fatto non so' se tu invece hai gia' fatto qualche paginetta così iniziamo a metterci chi ci sta' e che cosa puo' fare , dove e come ... Il giorno 17/ago/09, alle ore 15:04, Elena of Valhalla ha scritto: 2009/8/13 Roberto Navoni r.nav...@radionav.it: A mio parere per dare un'impronta piu' incisiva all'operato di tanti di noi che sono in giro sul territorio servirebbe pero' un po' piu' di coordinamento delle diverse attivit‡ ... una definizione degli obbiettivi chiara a trasparente e una programmazione delle priorit‡. [snippone] il problema principale che vedo in questo e` che l'attivita` sul territorio richiede appunto di essere sul territorio, tipicamente in una zona bel precisa dello stesso Si in realtà si puo' essere anche flessibili , nel senso che chi ad esempio si è occupato di confini , qualcuno ha fatto l'import globale .. altri correzioni locali , quindi c'e' sicuramente spazio per tutti ... pero' su temi piuttosto importanti come collegare alla rete viaria principale un po' tutti i comuni , magari li ci potremmo far venire qualche idea. finche' si parla di lavoro al pc, ad esempio imporsi di aiutare con l'import del FVG prima di lavorare su quello dei dati del comune di Sperdutonia dove si abita, la cosa si puo` fare senza grossi problemi, ma difficilmente l'abitante di Sperdutonia (noto paesino alpino della Val d'Aosta) potra` recarsi un pomeriggio a completare le statali anche solo del sud del Piemonte. Beh si è vero pero' se di quella zona ci sono le foto aeree di Yahoo , puo' mettersi a completare quello che c'e' senza per forza recarsi sul posto ... oppure puo' dare un'occhiata alle tracce gps per vedere se qualcuno c'e' passato e quindi completare Potremmo inventarci i Virtual Mapping Party .. dove attraverso skype , facebook o twitter ci mettiamo a completare un'obbiettivo comune così lo vediamo finito .. ;) Quando raggiungere i posti da mappare comincia a richiedere piu` tempo per il viaggio che non per il lavoro di mappatura la cosa diventa impegnativa: lo si puo` fare per un mapping party di tanto in tanto, ma non per dedicarci un'oretta tra la fine del lavoro e la cena. Tanto per fare un esempio: sono mesi che mi riprometto di andare un pomeriggio a Porto Ceresio per completare finalmente tutte le linee ferroviarie che passano per Varese, ma dato che non e` una delle mie destinazioni abituali (per usare un eufemismo), non riesco mai ad organizzarlo. Per contro, credo di aver aggiunto la maggior parte delle provincialine e altre tertiary a nord della varese - como, dato che la faccio spesso e potevo farlo a deviazioncine di 10 minuti per volta, anche se probabilmente era un lavoro meno urgente. [...] Oppure uno abita in un comune non mappato ... si mappi il suo comune e lo metta disponibile ... mi chiedo quanti degli iscritti a questa mailing list dotati di gps siano in questa situazione: da queste parti tutti i comuni abitati da OSMer sono stati coperti (tranne Varese, di cui sono stati coperti i quartieri abitati e/o frequentati da OSMer) Si magari pero' questo lavoro di mappare il proprio comune vale pero' per le new entry che opportunamente guidate potrebbero inserire il loro comune , rispettando un po' tutti i vari tag e non improvvisando cose improbabili ... Mi piacerebbe creare un gruppo di coordinamento delle attivit‡ a livello italiano ... che si parli .. costruisca un wiki condiviso e si dia una strategia ... di cose da fare ce ne sono tante ... forse troppe , un po' di ordine nel progetto potrebbe forse servire ... Credo che avere degli elenchi di cose da fare, tipo quelli che gia` ci sono, ma magari raggiungibili piu` facilmente sia utile: se non altro per avere delle stime del punto a cui siamo, e perche' no per dare un senso di soddisfazione a chi ha contribuito quando finalmente si riesce a raggiungere il 100% Anche io lo penso ... e penso che sia una bella idea quella dei Virtual Mapping Party ... che ne dici ? non mi aspetto pero` che l'esistenza di questi elenchi aiuti veramente a raggiungere le aree non ancora coperte fondamentalmente per assenza di volontari nella zona Spero di non attirare le ire di troppe persone con questo post... :) mi chiedo se il periodo non abbia aiutato, ma mi sembrava brutto lasciar cadere cosi` un cosi` bel potenziale flame :) Grazie Elena tu sei sempre molto attenta ;) -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' homepage: http://www.trueelena.org email: elena.valha...@gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Talk-it] strada statale SS33 del Sempione (tratto iniziale)
Il 10/08/2009 20:15, Luca Brivio ha scritto: Qualcuno che conosca meglio di me quella strada saprebbe fare le correzioni del caso? Bisognerebbe anche collegarla in qualche modo alla rete primary milanese, ma appunto ci vorrebbe qualcuno che conosca bene la zona. -- .' `. | Registered Linux User #443882 |a_a | | http://counter.li.org/ .''`. \_)__/ +--- : :' : /( )\ ---+ `. `'` |\` /\ Registered Debian User #9 | `- \_|=='|_/ http://debiancounter.altervista.org/ | ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Estrazioni dati provinciali
2009/8/14 Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com: [cut] Avete idee? :-) [cut] Nessuna proprio? :-( -- E' assurdo impiegare gli uomini di intelligenza eccellente per fare calcoli che potrebbero essere affidati a chiunque se si usassero delle macchine Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibnitz, Filosofo e Matematico (1646-1716) Internet è la più grande biblioteca del mondo. Ma il problema è che i libri sono tutti sparsi sul pavimento John Allen Paulos, Matematico (1945-vivente) Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto, http://www.dancetj.net , lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Mapping strade collinari
Ciao a tutti. Seguo un po' quanto detto in precedenza sulle necessità di un coordinamento tra le forze in campo nel mapping delle varie zone, ma volevo porre l'accento sull'introduzione di qualche nota tecnica tecnica da seguire nel tracciamento dei percorsi. Io vivo nel vercellese, ma per lavoro e divertimento frequento molto la provincia di Biella, per cui mi sono divertito a tracciare un po' di strade in entrambe le province. Andando a rivedere le tracce uploadate dai vari utenti nelle suddette zone ho riscontrato un problema soprattutto nelle zone del biellese (dove sono presenti moltissime strade in collina) che sono spesso state tracciate a zig zag, con linee spezzate che molto poco hanno a che fare con il reale andamento della strada. Se da una parte ciò è sicuramente dovuto alla enorme quantità di curve e tornanti che tali strade presentano, dall'altra altrettanto sicuramente le tracce sono state prese con un numero troppo esiguo di punti (o con i punti troppo distanziati). La cosa non è di certo fastidiosa su una lunga serie di rettilinei e curve lunghe che si possono trovare in pianura, ma su strade di collina e montagna con molte curve ravvicinate, se gli intervalli tra un punto e l'altro non sono sufficientemente brevi si rischia di perdersi curve e tornanti. Non so se il metodo di tracciamento che sto seguendo io è il migliore, ma attualmente le tracce che ottengo in collina sono molto coerenti con il percorso: - Tracciamento in auto (se possibile faccio andata e ritorno) a velocità molto moderata. - Impostazione dell'intervallo di registrazione di 1s. Non uso tecniche tipo auto o in base alla distanza percorsa per non falsare la traccia su piccoli cambi di posizione (vedi ad esempio su un tornante) - Evitare di convertire direttamente la traccia gpx in percorso su OSM ma seguire la traccia a manina. - Evitare l'uso di semplificatori di percorso (che se non usati bene fanno più danni che altro) Mi piacerebbe avere una vostra opinione ed eventuali consigli in merito. Grazie! Cristian ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Estrazioni dati provinciali
2009/8/14 Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com: e' possibile estrarre dal database di OSM un file relativo ad una sola provincia? Ho usato JOSM per estrarre manualmente i dati relativi alla provincia di treviso, ma ovviamente qualcosa mi e' sfuggito e ho incluso qualche zona esterna con i relativi dati (es. sul confine con il friuli ho incluso tutti gli edifici che sono ad una certa distanza dal confine). Avete idee? :-) Io uso extract-polygon-c [1] per ritagliarmi delle parti del italy.osm ma penso si possa usare anche osmosis [2] con l'opzione -bp. Il file con il poligono da estrarre io l'ho fatto a mano (non avevo grosse pretese di precisione), altrimenti dovrebbe essere possibile ricavarlo tramite Boundaries.pl [3]. iiizio [1] http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/osm-extract/ [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmosis/DetailedUsage#--bounding-polygon_.28--bp.29 [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Boundaries.pl ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Estrazioni dati provinciali
2009/8/17 iiizio iiizio iiizio.iii...@gmail.com: [cut] Io uso extract-polygon-c [1] per ritagliarmi delle parti del italy.osm ma penso si possa usare anche osmosis [2] con l'opzione -bp. Il file con il poligono da estrarre io l'ho fatto a mano (non avevo grosse pretese di precisione), altrimenti dovrebbe essere possibile ricavarlo tramite Boundaries.pl [3]. Grazie mille, provero' e poi (sicuramente) chiedero' chiarimenti di eventuali problemi che ho incontrato (per via della manifesta impeditezza nel campo) -- E' assurdo impiegare gli uomini di intelligenza eccellente per fare calcoli che potrebbero essere affidati a chiunque se si usassero delle macchine Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibnitz, Filosofo e Matematico (1646-1716) Internet è la più grande biblioteca del mondo. Ma il problema è che i libri sono tutti sparsi sul pavimento John Allen Paulos, Matematico (1945-vivente) Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto, http://www.dancetj.net , lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mapping strade collinari
in base all'esperienza sulle prealpi varesine e comasche 2009/8/17 Cristian Testa testa.crist...@tiscali.it: - Tracciamento in auto (se possibile faccio andata e ritorno) a velocità molto moderata. non sempre e` necessario: fin'ora ho notato che la velocita` a cui e` necessario viaggiare sul tipo di strada e` sufficientemente bassa per non perdere dettaglio nella traccia (+curve +servono punti +comunque si va lenti) per contro, andando troppo lenti il gps rischia di essere convinto di essere fermo e cominciare ad effettuare correzioni sbagliate andata e ritorno invece aiuta di sicuro - Impostazione dell'intervallo di registrazione di 1s. Non uso tecniche tipo auto o in base alla distanza percorsa per non falsare la traccia su piccoli cambi di posizione (vedi ad esempio su un tornante) +1 - Evitare di convertire direttamente la traccia gpx in percorso su OSM ma seguire la traccia a manina. +1 - Evitare l'uso di semplificatori di percorso (che se non usati bene fanno più danni che altro) +1 -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' homepage: http://www.trueelena.org email: elena.valha...@gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [Tag] Come taggare un camper service?
On dom, 2009-08-16 at 17:03 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: se non l'hai già fatto, potresti dare un'occiata anche a questi: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Camp_site http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcaravan_site sembra che ci mancanno ancora dettagli specifici per indicare più preciso alcune servizi che offrono oltre alla spazzatura. Per l'aspetto rifornimento di acqua potabile, io ho trovato anche questo: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Dwater_point Saluti Guido ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Coastline: quanto è precisa?
Non c'è fretta, oggi niente kayak causa pioggia a Camogli, da qui a fine settembre farò altri giri. Sono coperto per 180° ma aggancio un sacco di satelliti e vado in differenziale, avessi avuto riflessioni influenti avrei visto degli sbalzi sulla traccia, comunque farò poi delle medie su più percorsi. Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT Messaggio originale Da: mikel...@gmail.com Data: 17/08/2009 14.53 A: ale_z...@libero.it ale_z...@libero.it, openstreetmap list - italianotalk...@openstreetmap. org Ogg: Re: [Talk-it] Coastline: quanto è precisa? In quella zona avevo interpolato io la linea costiera usando potlatch; (era un compito relativamente utile, che potevo fare senza usare un GPS), e ricalcando dalle foto aeree di yahoo. Possono essere imprecise, ma mi pare che il percorso delle strade corrisponda molto bene alle tracce che ho in seguito rilevato col GPS in zona. Se pensi che i tuoi rilevamenti siano più precisi, modifica pure ma... visto che come dici la costa è scoscesa, non potrebbero esserci effetti di riflessione? Se i tuoi rilevamenti sono più a sud della linea costiera ricalcata, può voler dire che hai beccato un riflesso invece del segnale diretto del satellite. Luciano -- Luciano Montanaro Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mapping strade collinari
2009/8/17 Cristian Testa testa.crist...@tiscali.it: - Impostazione dell'intervallo di registrazione di 1s. Non uso tecniche tipo auto o in base alla distanza percorsa per non falsare la traccia su piccoli cambi di posizione (vedi ad esempio su un tornante) +1. si questa impostazione userei per tutti tipi di mappatura, (se non c'è una frequenza ancora più alta). - Evitare di convertire direttamente la traccia gpx in percorso su OSM ma seguire la traccia a manina. certo. Convertiro in automatico non da in nessun caso un risultato uguale a quello fatto a mano (con la conoscenza del territorio, dritte, curve, ecc) - Evitare l'uso di semplificatori di percorso (che se non usati bene fanno più danni che altro) si, per me si potrebbe proprio togliere questa funzione. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] quesito sulle tracce gps caricate ma non editate
Ciao Alessandro, forse la cosa e' un po' macchinosa ma in futuro si troverà una soluzione. Ognuno di noi edita una zona che conosce e quindi dove troviamo delle tracce GPX non editate ... le ricalchiamo con JOSM. Il sistema ti mette a disposizione TUTTE le tracce per quella porzione quindi se col tempo le tracce che vengono inserite ... iniziano a diventare troppe... la cosa potrebbe diventare necessaria... - Original Message - From: Alessandro Pozzato apozz...@libero.it To: talk-it@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: [Talk-it] quesito sulle tracce gps caricate ma non editate Grazie per la dritta, che mi è servita per aggiungere un paio di stradine in una zona nelle vicinanze che conosco. E' comunque una ricerca demandata all'editatore, e non una segnalazione dell'autore del gpx. Secondo me non sarebbe male se si potesse fare una lista da qualche parte con le tracce non editate, ovviamente taggate per zona (Stato, regione, provincia, comune...) Buon fine settimana a tutti, Alepoz ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] R: Mapping strade collinari
Riguardo la raccolta delle tracce GPX, vorrei sollevare un problema che non ho visto discusso altrove. I GPS cartografici stradali (ad esempio il mio Garmin nuvi 255) hanno una funzione che si chiama qualcosa tipo lock to road. Questa funzione aiuta il GPS a discriminare su quale strada ci si trova, a fare il punto con un satellite in meno del normale, etc. Questa funzione comporta però un grave problema x noi OSMr's: il punto GPX viene calcolato esattamente sulla strada (a meno che non ci sia alcuna strada nel raggio di molte decine di metri). Questo significa che se la strada sulla mappa è posizionata 20 metri fuori posizione, il punto GPX sarà 20m fuori posizione. In pratica dai GPX riotteniamo i punti della mappa ruotabile caricata sul GPS. L'unico modo che ho trovato sul mio GPS di disabilitare la funzione lock to road è NON caricare una mappa ruotabile (né la NAVTEQ City Navigator, nè la OSM). Solo in questo modo ottengo punti non polarizzati dalla mappa sottostante e che posso usare per mappare o correggere con precisione le strade. Vi siete mai imbattuti nel problema? Ciao, Marco. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-at] [Talk-de] Mapping Workflow mit Garmi ns nüvi550
Am 10.07.2009 um 21:28 schrieb Wolfgang: Am Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2009 21:35:54 schrieb Tobias Hägele: Hallo, erstmal vielen Dank für deine Mühe. Leider funktioniert deine Anleitung bei mir nicht. Wolfgang schrieb: Am Freitag, 26. Juni 2009 12:22:28 schrieb Ingo Lantschner: c. Gibt es schon ein Tool für den Export wie oben beschrieben? c) kurz gebastelt: sed \ Aufruf von sed (siehe man sed), der Backslash muss letztes Zeichen vor dem Zeilenwechsel sein (der dadurch nicht beachtet wird) -e 's/trk/\ntrk/g' \ Füge vor jedem trk (Trackbeginn-Zeichen) einen Zeilenwechsel ein ... Hallo, ich hab zur Vereinfachung des ganzen ein Perlscript geschrieben: Doku: http://ingo.lantschner.name/downloads/osm/GPX-Manager/documenation.html Download: http://ingo.lantschner.name/downloads/osm/GPX-Manager/ Kleiner Haken: Das hängt von zwei noch sehr neuen Modulen ab, die noch ein sehr aktuelles Perl benötigen (= 5.10.0). Hoffe dass ich bald wieder zum Testen komme und dann die Ansprüche reduzieren kann. (P.S falls sich jemand damit befassen möchte: Vermutlich geht's auch mit perl 5.8 - muss man dann aber manuell (ohne cpan-shell) installieren oder vielleicht geht's auch mit einem force via CPAN-shell.) Viele Grüße, Ingo -- Ingo Lantschner 1060 Vienna-Austria Mobil +43-664-143 84 18 ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Adressen bei POI's
Norbert Wenzel wrote: Was genau bedeutet jetzt addr:full eigentlich? Würde man es tatsächlich schaffen, alle möglichen Felder für eine Adresse anzubieten, wäre damit dann addr:full eigentlich unnötig, weil man sich die Adresse aus den Feldern zusammenstückeln kann, oder erfüllt das einen weiteren Zweck? IMO hat addr:full den Sinn, eine vollständige Adresse für etwas (wohl meist ein POI) angeben zu können. Oder wenn man die Adresse vielleicht nicht so leicht/nicht vollständig zusammenstückeln kann. Denke ich mir halt, untergekommen ist mir der Tag noch nicht. Aber für den Spezialfall 1/R/2/Top248 scheint er mir passend. Da würde ich den addr:housenumber vielleicht gar nicht setzen, was ja auch wenig Sinn macht, wenn dann in einem Shopping Center x-fach dieselbe Hausnummer angezeigt wird... Servus, Andreas ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-transit] pay_scale_area
With specialist data without a physical presence, like PlusBus zones, my view is that careful thought should be given to whether to import them into the main OSM database at all, and if they are imported they should use namespaced tags. On the Harwich area I renamed the name= tag to NaPTAN:name= yesterday when I was adding a footpath near Little Oakley and spent ages trying to work out why the word Harwich was appearing (in Mapnik) at an angle to a road about where the footpath was supposed to join. Being quite a large area with few nodes the connecting way didn't show in Potlatch until I'd panned around enough for one of the nodes to come into scope. So yes, I'd agree that name= should be namespaced, if not more of the tags. Ed ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NPTG locality viewer
Additionally to the old url the NPTG-Viewer can now be found on: http://www.mappa-mercia.org/nptg-viewer/ I think the tool is handy to find places which are not yet mapped. It may also be helpful to spot spelling errors. There is one issue with genitives being spelled with apostrophes in NPTG but without in OSM (e.g. Kings Heath in Birmingham). That's perhaps because Birmingham banning apostrophes is fairly recent: http://is.gd/2kSAe (story at Metro.co.uk). In case it helps anyone else, the tool doesn't seem to work for me on IE8 but does in Firefox. In both I can zoom in on say central Birmingham, but only in Firefox to letters on coloured backgrounds appear to allow me to select a locality. I note around here that where a Parish is named after the village, the Nptg LocalityName seems to be located near the OSM village-of-the-same-name node, rather than where the parish name renders in the centre of the admin boundary relation area. Still working out what I can do with it though. Ed ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NPTG locality viewer
Roger wrote: As for locations - NPTG requires the centre of the locality (its coordinates) to be at the business centre of the locality, on a road open to normal traffic and close to the most central public transport stops (or some compromise between these three criteria where they don't clearly push to a single point). NPTG localities are NOT administrative areas - they are NOT parishes, for instance. They are about the community that lives/works/plays in the locality of that name. Thanks for the clarification Roger. The reason I mentioned Parish was that that is what displays in this tool, and I presume that comes from: SourceLocalityType:Parish In this (example) list: AdministrativeAreaRef: 080 LocalityName: Little Oakley NptgDistrictRef:203 NptgLocalityCode: E0046366 QualifierName: Harwich SourceLocalityType: Parish Ed ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NPTG locality viewer
Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk schrieb: Additionally to the old url the NPTG-Viewer can now be found on: http://www.mappa-mercia.org/nptg-viewer/ I think the tool is handy to find places which are not yet mapped. It may also be helpful to spot spelling errors. There is one issue with genitives being spelled with apostrophes in NPTG but without in OSM (e.g. Kings Heath in Birmingham). That's perhaps because Birmingham banning apostrophes is fairly recent: http://is.gd/2kSAe (story at Metro.co.uk). Thanks for reminding me of this story. However, I think I never saw Kings Heath written as King's Heath since I live in Birmingham. But since both ways of spelling the locations are either correct or in common use, I am thinking of changing the name matching to ignore apostrophes for possessive 's. In case it helps anyone else, the tool doesn't seem to work for me on IE8 but does in Firefox. In both I can zoom in on say central Birmingham, but only in Firefox to letters on coloured backgrounds appear to allow me to select a locality. Sorry, I should have mentioned that the viewer is not working with IE8. I tried to get it to work in IE8 but I gave up after noticing that the errors are apparently in the prototype and Openlayers libraries. Also, for some reason the IE8 produces completely different error messages on different computers. If there is some interest in using NPTG viewer on IE8 I can try fixing the problems. Cheers, Christoph I note around here that where a Parish is named after the village, the Nptg LocalityName seems to be located near the OSM village-of-the-same-name node, rather than where the parish name renders in the centre of the admin boundary relation area. Still working out what I can do with it though. Ed ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] pay_scale_area
Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk schrieb: With specialist data without a physical presence, like PlusBus zones, my view is that careful thought should be given to whether to import them into the main OSM database at all, and if they are imported they should use namespaced tags. On the Harwich area I renamed the name= tag to NaPTAN:name= yesterday when I was adding a footpath near Little Oakley and spent ages trying to work out why the word Harwich was appearing (in Mapnik) at an angle to a road about where the footpath was supposed to join. Being quite a large area with few nodes the connecting way didn't show in Potlatch until I'd panned around enough for one of the nodes to come into scope. So yes, I'd agree that name= should be namespaced, if not more of the tags. Hi I am the one who prepared the import of the PlusBus zones. When I decided to use the name tag I was not aware that the mapnik style renders them unconditionally otherwise I would not have imported the data without warning. In my opinion the name tag is used as a general purpose tag in OSM for names of all sorts of things. So, it appeared quite natural to use it for recording the names of the plus bus zones as well. From the other tags renderers can easily guess what type of object the name belongs to and the decide if it should be displayed. So there is no need to use namespaced versions of the name tag just to prevent the renderer from displaying it. Cheers, Christoph Ed ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] pay_scale_area
Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com schrieb: Dave F wrote: My initial response would be to agree with Chris M. query whether it should be included in the main database. It does seem to get in the way a bit. However, being a newbie, I'm willing to hear arguments for it. I'm not sure about it either. Long-term, it might be better to incorporate the information on the bus stop nodes themselves (pay_scale_area=XXX perhaps). However, given that'd it'd take a while to copy this information over (and it'd be harder to keep it up to date), perhaps we're best off just living with the boundary for the moment... The main reason why I imported the Plusbus data was because it was available as part of the NaPTAN import. But I also think since we add bus routes to the database it surely makes sense to add geographically defined pay scale areas. However, if the body of public transport related data grows further it might make sense in the (far) future to keep parts of it in a separate database. The problem I see with adding the PlusBus zone reference to the bus stops is that we then need to find a place where to store the other information about the zones (like name and ref). I considered using a relation for each PlusBus zone but Thomas told me that this does not work because there are to many bus stops within the zones. I think it's only a matter of time before I come across a POI that proudly proclaims - This is the spot where Sandra Hutchinson first let me stick my hand up her jumper :-) Heh. Sounds a bit like the geo information which is captured in the Open Plaques project (http://www.openplaques.org/) which I run... Neat! In Birmingham we have started to put the blue plaques in the OSM database as memorials. Cheers, Christoph ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] pay_scale_area
I am the one who prepared the import of the PlusBus zones. When I decided to use the name tag I was not aware that the mapnik style renders them unconditionally otherwise I would not have imported the data without warning. In my opinion the name tag is used as a general purpose tag in OSM for names of all sorts of things. So, it appeared quite natural to use it for recording the names of the plus bus zones as well. From the other tags renderers can easily guess what type of object the name belongs to and the decide if it should be displayed. So there is no need to use namespaced versions of the name tag just to prevent the renderer from displaying it. I know, and changing the key did really feel like tagging for the renderer. I've now changed it back. At the time I was just annoyed that it took me so long to work out why the name was showing in the middle of nowhere at a strange angle. I'd probably still be looking if I hadn't remembered the recent import. Ed ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] pay_scale_area
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: In my opinion the name tag is used as a general purpose tag in OSM for names of all sorts of things. So, it appeared quite natural to use it for recording the names of the plus bus zones as well. From the other tags renderers can easily guess what type of object the name belongs to and the decide if it should be displayed. So there is no need to use namespaced versions of the name tag just to prevent the renderer from displaying it. I know, and changing the key did really feel like tagging for the renderer. I've now changed it back. At the time I was just annoyed that it took me so long to work out why the name was showing in the middle of nowhere at a strange angle. I'd probably still be looking if I hadn't remembered the recent import. Hopefully, we can get this bug (http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2177) fixed fairly soon, and Mapnik updated, so that we can continue using name=, rather than having to use the awkwardly namespaced version. Incidentally, if anyone knows anything about the Mapnik stylesheets, perhaps they could look into which bit needs to be changed, and then submit that as a patch? Might get the change implemented a bit quicker... Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NPTG locality viewer
2009/8/17 Christoph Böhme christ...@b3e.net: Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk schrieb: In case it helps anyone else, the tool doesn't seem to work for me on IE8 but does in Firefox. In both I can zoom in on say central Birmingham, but only in Firefox to letters on coloured backgrounds appear to allow me to select a locality. Sorry, I should have mentioned that the viewer is not working with IE8. I tried to get it to work in IE8 but I gave up after noticing that the errors are apparently in the prototype and Openlayers libraries. Also, for some reason the IE8 produces completely different error messages on different computers. If there is some interest in using NPTG viewer on IE8 I can try fixing the problems. OpenLayers functions correctly with IE8 but I still had great fun getting the Sutton Green Map site to work correctly in all browsers I tested for (IE6-8 and Firefox). (http://map.oneplanetsutton.org/) -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN Merging Guidelines
Thank you very much for your efforts on this, Thomas, and everyone else involved - I've been waiting for the London import for a while, and it's fantastic to see this data in OSM! I have one bug to report: Is it possible that special characters are being dropped from the stop names during the import? For example: node id=469789137 lat=51.5122005 lon=-0.1420652 version=1 changeset=2177128 user=NaPTAN uid=104459 visible=true timestamp=2009-08-17T13:40:06Z tag k=name v=Conduit Street Saville Row/ tag k=naptan:CommonName v=Conduit Street Saville Row/ ... TfL refers to this as Conduit Street / Saville Row, so it seems the / characters are going missing somewhere? Also, I'm curious whether, in addition to the bus stop data, NaPTAN contains precise locations for Underground station exits, and if so, whether there is any plan to import these? OSM often contains only one node for stations that have multiple exits, and in some cases the node is ambiguously placed such that it isn't clear which street (or which side of the street) an exit is on. This level of precision does become significant when producing walking maps/directions... Bryce On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Thomas Woodgrand.edgemas...@gmail.com wrote: I've only just realised that my previous message regarding the imports beginning only went to talk-gb and talk-gb-london. Greater London is now imported as changeset 2177128. I was planning to import Hull and Suffolk also this week. Now that we're importing the data, we really need to get our guidelines on how to merge and tidy the data sorted. I've pulled out the relevant pieces from the Birmingham wikipage out to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN/Surveying_and_Merging_NaPTAN_and_OSM_data It really needs to be tidied and beaten into a useful document before we let more people loose with the data. -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN Merging Guidelines
On 18 Aug 2009, at 01:07, Bryce McKinlay wrote: Thank you very much for your efforts on this, Thomas, and everyone else involved - I've been waiting for the London import for a while, and it's fantastic to see this data in OSM! +1 I have one bug to report: Is it possible that special characters are being dropped from the stop names during the import? For example: node id=469789137 lat=51.5122005 lon=-0.1420652 version=1 changeset=2177128 user=NaPTAN uid=104459 visible=true timestamp=2009-08-17T13:40:06Z tag k=name v=Conduit Street Saville Row/ tag k=naptan:CommonName v=Conduit Street Saville Row/ ... TfL refers to this as Conduit Street / Saville Row, so it seems the / characters are going missing somewhere? The data in NaPTAN does not include the '/' actually, probably because of the work being done to standardise stop naming across the UK in NaPTAN. In particular to discourage stop naming of the form 'street/ cross street' and the use of some characters including /. In this case the slash has gone but the cross street naming remains. Also, I'm curious whether, in addition to the bus stop data, NaPTAN contains precise locations for Underground station exits, and if so, whether there is any plan to import these? OSM often contains only one node for stations that have multiple exits, and in some cases the node is ambiguously placed such that it isn't clear which street (or which side of the street) an exit is on. This level of precision does become significant when producing walking maps/directions... Yes there are entrances in NaPTAN. For example there are 8 entrances given for Oxford Street Underground station. There are also platforms information, but no indication about which platform they relate to. Can I suggest we complete the import of bus stops import into OSM first and then go back for another trawl through the data and get more detail? Peter Bryce On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Thomas Woodgrand.edgemas...@gmail.com wrote: I've only just realised that my previous message regarding the imports beginning only went to talk-gb and talk-gb-london. Greater London is now imported as changeset 2177128. I was planning to import Hull and Suffolk also this week. Now that we're importing the data, we really need to get our guidelines on how to merge and tidy the data sorted. I've pulled out the relevant pieces from the Birmingham wikipage out to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN/Surveying_and_Merging_NaPTAN_and_OSM_data It really needs to be tidied and beaten into a useful document before we let more people loose with the data. -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [talk-ph] GPS logger/receiver on Linux
Hi, guys, Thanks Jim for useful info. I'm already running eeebuntu :) Installed it within a few minutes after I received the computer. I've done my research now and found that the MTK chipset is supposedly superior to the SiRFStar-III, and when I got a great price on this one, it made the choice easy: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=380145573933ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:GB:1123 The full name of the item is Transystems i-Blue 747 A+. Note that there's also a 737, but it's a pure receiver with no logging. I'm currently playing with various Linux software to make use of the thing, including Navit, which is currently compiling. I will let you know when I get it working. Does anybody have any recommendations for tools/programs relevant to OSM to use with Ubuntu? Ronny. Jim Morgan wrote: Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. wrote, On Tuesday, 28 July, 2009 04:46 AM: Guys, I found I need to retire my old laptop, so I've ordered an eee PC and I'm looking to get a GPS logger and receiver if I can only find one that doesn't cost a fortune. I've found these guys have some good prices. http://www.expansys.com.hk/gps/gps-receivers (They have a UK site as well. In fact its a UK company) And this one looks as though it fits your general specs, except it doesn't do bluetooth. http://www.expansys.com.hk/d.aspx?i=149006 I'm 95% sure that if it supplies GPS over USB cable, then you can get Linux to talk to it. I'd recommend installing eeeBuntu 3, which I just put on my girlfriend's EEE. Very nicely done - everything works immediately and you have access to the global Ubuntu repositories, so you can get your gpsd, tangogps etc on there easily. Contact me offlist if you want to go into techy details ... Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Fwd: [OSM-talk] copyright problem with data copiedfrom a map
2009/8/17 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com: You may wish to set up a Belgium equivalent for this page to act as a record of such reverts. As you can see we have been having some problems of our own. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GB_revert_request_log actually I just fwded. the request as noone seems to care in talk, and I thought this might be the right page, so just not to get it overlooked. Isn't there a special squad team to handle this kind of thread? Or should we have global revert page or what? maybe would IMHO be better, yes. Actually I don't know if there is a simple possibility to revert a changeset for simple mappers as I (or probably Michel) are. regards, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Fwd: [OSM-talk] copyright problem with data copiedfrom a map
On 17 Aug 2009, at 11:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/17 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com: You may wish to set up a Belgium equivalent for this page to act as a record of such reverts. As you can see we have been having some problems of our own. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GB_revert_request_log actually I just fwded. the request as noone seems to care in talk I wouldn't say they don't care it's just it's a super busy list. Yours c. Steve ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] webpagina
Lambert Carsten wrote: On Monday 17 August 2009 10:05:17 Lambertus wrote: Hey wat is er mis met de enige opensource online routeplanner van OpenStreetMap die toevallig ook nog eens wereldwijde dekking heeft? Niets natuurlijk. Hoewel... gpx download voor langere routes gaat nog steeds niet, en via-points kan ook soms nuttig zijn. Ja, je vraagt er zelf om.. :) GPX download moet nog omgebouwd worden van HTTP GET naar POST zodat ook IE alle coordinaten kan opsturen naar de server. Iemand had aangeboden dit te doen maar heb er al lang niks van gehoord. Aan via's wordt gewerkt, ik heb al een werkend voorbeeld gezien. Het is nu nog vooral de UI die bijgewerkt moet worden. Bovendien dat is precies wat wij volgens mij willen, kunnen kiezen. Dat kan natuurlijk nu ook al maar de 'niet nerd' komt volgens mij veel te snel tot de conclusie dat openstreetmap.nl niet voor hen is. Volgens mij moeten wij dat niet willen, maar misschien is de overheersende opvatting dat wij nog rijp zijn voor jan en alleman. Moeten we naast CM en ORS ook een link naar maps.google en maps.live erbij gaan zetten? Nou nee, maar Garmin staat erbij en dat moet beslist zo blijven. Niet iedereen heeft een Garmin, ik in elk geval niet en die willen misschien toch online een route kunnen plannen. Cloudemade en Openrouteservice gebruiken net zoals jouw Garmin site en Yournavigation OSM materiaal en horen er daarom bij. En als Google maps OSM data zou gebruiken dan zouden we maar al te graag daarmee te koop lopen denk ik (en terecht). Ja wellicht is ORS en CM ook wel interessant om te linken, het was ook een beetje een plagerijtje van mij, vandaar de ;-) Maar het is ook zo dat we niet linken naar alle websites die kaartjes van OSM maken en mochten er 20 routeplanners zijn voor OSM dan hoeven we die ook niet allemaal te linken. Een keus voor een redelijk werkende, opensource én die dan ook nog eens van Nederlandse bodem komt, is dan niet raar voor een NL OSM portal. Onlangs nog was er een vraag op de algemene talk list van iemand die vroeg of hij OSM data kon gebruiken op een Garmin die hij wilde kopen. Ik vind dat raar. Hij vindt openstreetmap, de mailing list (moet zich aanmelden om te posten) en neemt de 'moeite' die vraag te stellen. Ongetwijfeld zullen mensen denken dat hij wat meer zelf had moeten onderzoeken maar ik vind dat een gewone argeloze gebruiker die niet van plan is bij te dragen dit al meteen had moeten vinden. Overigens is net dit geval niet een voorbeeld van een probleem van openstreetmap.nl maar een omissie van openstreetmap.org. Nu weet ik dat niet iedere computer gebruiker een gevorderde gebruiker is, maar 1 Google search met daarin twee woorden 'Garmin OpenStreetMap' leid jou naar zat sites die verklaren dat OSM Garmin kaarten heeft en als je een paar extra woorden invoert kom je rechtstreeks bij mijn Garmin site uit. Dus moeilijk vindbaar is het écht niet, zelfs zonder duidelijke vermelding op de NL portal. Die vraag op de ML mailinglist is overigens netjes beantwoord maar daar doel je niet op natuurlijk. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Hoe duikers mappen
Op 16 augustus 2009 21:53 schreef Polderrunner het volgende: Frank Steggink wrote: Als er geen brug is en je geen open water ziet, ja dan opsplitsen en een duiker aanleggen. Op andere plekken in de buurt lijkt dat wel gebeurd te zijn. Zie bijv. Soestdijksekade en Loosduinsekade (alhoewel ik vanaf mijn PC niet kan zien wat de situatie ter plekke is). Misschien kun je wat foto's maken en online zetten, zodat we kunnen zien wat de situatie is? Vooral als iets bijna niet als brug herkenbaar is kan een plaatje veel verduidelijken. De grens zou kunnen zijn of het water ter plekke vernauwd en duidelijk overkluisd is, of dat er alleen een brugdek tussen de weg en het water is. Om de situatie van de Soestdijksekade / Loosduinsekade wat te verduidelijken. Het water loopt hier gewoon door, het zijn twee bruggen. Je kunt zelfs vanaf het water van de Loosduinsekade doorvaren naar de Binckhorst en de Vliet om vanaf daar de rest van het land in te varen. Dus hier de waterwegen verbinden kan geen kwaad. Maar of ik dan het natural=water ga aanpassen vraag ik me af, mede n.a.v. de diverse andere reacties. Als je over de Loosduinsekade rijdt (in de richting van het centrum dus) kun je, vanaf straatniveau gezien, best missen dat je over een brug heen gaat. Als je loopt of gewoon beter oplet zie het echt wel, maar dat bedoelde ik met niet als brug herkenbaar. Het was een beetje vaag, nu het nog eens teruglees, sorry. Kun je evt. achterhalen wie verantwoordelijk is voor de originele tagging en vragen hoe hij(/zij) tot deze oplosisng is gekomen? Of komt dit door de AND import? Het lijkt dat ik voor de edits bij de brug Soestdijksekade/Volendamlaan verantwoordelijk ben (de fietspaden tenminste, er zitten daar ook nog wat oorsprongelijke AND data bij). Ik heb het (als voorbijlopend hardloper) als een brug gezien en zodanig getagd. Dat klopt, het is ook een brug. Alleen op de tiles levert het een wat vreemd resultaat op, door die losse bruggen per way. Een relatie van die wegen kunnen maken en dan aangeven dat het samen één brug met meerdere wegen is zou een mooie oplossing zijn. Maar het zal wel niet zo eenvoudig zijn om dat als voorstel goedgekeurd te krijgen. Gegroet, Frank ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] webpagina
On Monday 17 August 2009 11:21:37 Lambertus wrote: Lambert Carsten wrote: On Monday 17 August 2009 10:05:17 Lambertus wrote: Hey wat is er mis met de enige opensource online routeplanner van OpenStreetMap die toevallig ook nog eens wereldwijde dekking heeft? Niets natuurlijk. Hoewel... gpx download voor langere routes gaat nog steeds niet, en via-points kan ook soms nuttig zijn. Ja, je vraagt er zelf om.. :) GPX download moet nog omgebouwd worden van HTTP GET naar POST zodat ook IE alle coordinaten kan opsturen naar de server. Iemand had aangeboden dit te doen maar heb er al lang niks van gehoord. Ja, wist ik, had je al gezegd. Maar die andere sites kunnen dat dus wel. ;) (IE ?? ik gebruik Firefox op Linux) Aan via's wordt gewerkt, ik heb al een werkend voorbeeld gezien. Het is nu nog vooral de UI die bijgewerkt moet worden. Ik kijk er naar uit. Bovendien dat is precies wat wij volgens mij willen, kunnen kiezen. Dat kan natuurlijk nu ook al maar de 'niet nerd' komt volgens mij veel te snel tot de conclusie dat openstreetmap.nl niet voor hen is. Volgens mij moeten wij dat niet willen, maar misschien is de overheersende opvatting dat wij nog rijp zijn voor jan en alleman. Moeten we naast CM en ORS ook een link naar maps.google en maps.live erbij gaan zetten? Nou nee, maar Garmin staat erbij en dat moet beslist zo blijven. Niet iedereen heeft een Garmin, ik in elk geval niet en die willen misschien toch online een route kunnen plannen. Cloudemade en Openrouteservice gebruiken net zoals jouw Garmin site en Yournavigation OSM materiaal en horen er daarom bij. En als Google maps OSM data zou gebruiken dan zouden we maar al te graag daarmee te koop lopen denk ik (en terecht). Ja wellicht is ORS en CM ook wel interessant om te linken, het was ook een beetje een plagerijtje van mij, vandaar de ;-) Tuurlijk, begreep ik heel goed. Maar het is ook zo dat we niet linken naar alle websites die kaartjes van OSM maken en mochten er 20 routeplanners zijn voor OSM dan hoeven we die ook niet allemaal te linken. Een keus voor een redelijk werkende, opensource én die dan ook nog eens van Nederlandse bodem komt, is dan niet raar voor een NL OSM portal. Als het er 20 waren dan zou ik klagen dat niemand meer door de bomen het bos ziet. En dat van iemand die zelf als klacht altijd krijgt dat ik teveel details geef. :) Als iemand jouw zou vragen of je met Openstreetmap kunt routen, zou jij je dan beperken tot je eigen Yournavigation? Ik denk van niet. Het feit dat op de vraag 'Kan ik een route plannen?' maar een antwoord komt suggereert dat dat het beste is en misschien wel het enige. Hoe fantastisch ik jouw site ook vindt, ik denk niet dat iemand die google maps als referentie heeft daar erg onder de indruk van zal zijn. Yournavigation moet er beslist bij want het gaat hier niet alleen om Openstreetmap maar ook om nl en dus mogen en moeten Nederlandse projecten daar vrij prominent getoond worden. Daar bovenop komt dat Yournavigation een ander aanpak heeft en veel sneller is. Zodra ik een route kan 'corrigeren' met behulp van via-points en vervolgens een gpx track kan downloaden dan zal ik die vrijwel exclusief gebruiken. Al die lange lijsten met 'na 10km rechtsafslaan de huppeldepup weg in', zouden er mensen zijn die daar gebruik van maken? Onlangs nog was er een vraag op de algemene talk list van iemand die vroeg of hij OSM data kon gebruiken op een Garmin die hij wilde kopen. Ik vind dat raar. Hij vindt openstreetmap, de mailing list (moet zich aanmelden om te posten) en neemt de 'moeite' die vraag te stellen. Ongetwijfeld zullen mensen denken dat hij wat meer zelf had moeten onderzoeken maar ik vind dat een gewone argeloze gebruiker die niet van plan is bij te dragen dit al meteen had moeten vinden. Overigens is net dit geval niet een voorbeeld van een probleem van openstreetmap.nl maar een omissie van openstreetmap.org. Nu weet ik dat niet iedere computer gebruiker een gevorderde gebruiker is, maar 1 Google search met daarin twee woorden 'Garmin OpenStreetMap' leid jou naar zat sites die verklaren dat OSM Garmin kaarten heeft en als je een paar extra woorden invoert kom je rechtstreeks bij mijn Garmin site uit. Dus moeilijk vindbaar is het écht niet, zelfs zonder duidelijke vermelding op de NL portal. Ben ik geheel met je eens. Toch denk ik dat het geen uitzondering is en dat het eerder uitzonderlijk ik dat hij nog die omweg nam. Die vraag op de ML mailinglist is overigens netjes beantwoord maar daar doel je niet op natuurlijk. Inderdaad een prima antwoord zonder ondertoon zoals het wat mij betreft hoort. Intussen is er niet alleen een tool tip bij de OSM logo gekomen maar ook een link Bekijk de kaart op de site. Heel erg bedankt! mvg Lambert ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] webpagina
Lambert Carsten wrote: Maar het is ook zo dat we niet linken naar alle websites die kaartjes van OSM maken en mochten er 20 routeplanners zijn voor OSM dan hoeven we die ook niet allemaal te linken. Een keus voor een redelijk werkende, opensource én die dan ook nog eens van Nederlandse bodem komt, is dan niet raar voor een NL OSM portal. Als het er 20 waren dan zou ik klagen dat niemand meer door de bomen het bos ziet. En dat van iemand die zelf als klacht altijd krijgt dat ik teveel details geef. :) Het zijn er op dit moment 4 en ik verdenk de Traveling Salesman auteur ervan dat hij ook nog eens met een webversie aan komt zetten. Dan ga je de passant van onze portal overspoelen met keuzemogelijkheden... Komt er imo op neer dat we een keus moeten gaan maken en doe dan bijvoorbeeld YOURS en CM. Dan zie je als gebruiker ook het verschil tussen rauwe techno functionaliteit van YOURS Made in Holland en de Google achtige 'ooowww aaah' UI van CM :-) Als iemand jouw zou vragen of je met Openstreetmap kunt routen, zou jij je dan beperken tot je eigen Yournavigation? Ik denk van niet. Het feit dat op de vraag 'Kan ik een route plannen?' maar een antwoord komt suggereert dat dat het beste is en misschien wel het enige. Daar heb je gelijk in. Hoe fantastisch ik jouw site ook vindt, Nu moet je ophouden /bloos/. :p ik denk niet dat iemand die google maps als referentie heeft daar erg onder de indruk van zal zijn. Oh :( Yournavigation moet er beslist bij want het gaat hier niet alleen om Openstreetmap maar ook om nl en dus mogen en moeten Nederlandse projecten daar vrij prominent getoond worden. Daar bovenop komt dat Yournavigation een ander aanpak heeft en veel sneller is. Zodra ik een route kan 'corrigeren' met behulp van via-points en vervolgens een gpx track kan downloaden dan zal ik die vrijwel exclusief gebruiken. Akkoord, ik ga mijn GF vanavond lief aankijken in een poging tijd te maken om het om te bouwen. Al die lange lijsten met 'na 10km rechtsafslaan de huppeldepup weg in', zouden er mensen zijn die daar gebruik van maken? Ik zou het niet weten. Er is trouwens een google summer of code project waarbij een text-only uitbreiding voor YOURS is gemaakt speciaal voor blinden en slechtzienden. Die laat ook de straatnamen zien. Maar die uitbreiding is 1 grote hack omdat YOURS nog niet de straatnamen terug geeft + de segment lengtes. Zodra de API voor versie 2 af is dan wordt die informatie ook meegegeven en is het maken van een text-only interface een stuk makkelijker. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
