Is there a wiki page where people can pick the slice they want in
advance?
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With specialist data without a physical presence, like PlusBus
zones,
my view is that careful thought should be given to whether to
import
them into the main OSM database at all, and if they are
imported they
should use namespaced tags.
On the Harwich area I renamed the name= tag to
Additionally to the old url the NPTG-Viewer can now be found
on:
http://www.mappa-mercia.org/nptg-viewer/
I think the tool is handy to find places which are not yet
mapped. It
may also be helpful to spot spelling errors.
There is one issue with genitives being spelled with
apostrophes
Roger wrote:
As for locations - NPTG requires the centre of the locality
(its
coordinates) to be at the business centre of the locality, on
a road open
to normal traffic and close to the most central public
transport stops (or
some compromise between these three criteria where they don't
I am the one who prepared the import of the PlusBus zones. When
I
decided to use the name tag I was not aware that the mapnik
style
renders them unconditionally otherwise I would not have
imported the
data without warning.
In my opinion the name tag is used as a general purpose tag in
I wouldn't have found these two ways otherwise:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35039425
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35107068
I particularly like the airplane tag on the second way, though it was the boat
tags (yes, if you can :D) that helped me locate these two ways.
Ed
but
one can then do that on the ground.
Any many people are already mapping the footpaths (etc) on the
ground. Each weekend my wife and I try and find time to go for a
walk somewhere nearby which adds at least one public footpath to OSM
based on GPX trace. And if people do add paths using NPE
Tim wrote:
Anyone else out there using a Nokia 95 8GB to update
maps for OSM, and/or using the openmtb project? I am
ideally looking for a howto on how edit OSM and upload
routes using an N95 :)
I'm not, but a quick search for Nokia N95 on the OSM wiki
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org
So a public footpath which the council has converted into a cycleway
(part of a future cycle network if the council ever commit funds to
complete their decade old plan) which is segregated in some sections
and unsegregated in others is possibly a footway with
bicycle=permissive?
I think I’ve
Yes, it does get confusing using two editors. I pressed U in
Potlatch this morning to try and unselect things like I do in JOSM
and suddenly all the deleted ways where I was mapping appeared. I
switched to View and back to Edit to sort out that mistake. But each
has different strengths and I use
I had to pick up an eBay purchase in Haverhill (Suffolk, UK) today and relied
on my Suffolk street atlas to get me there. Unfortunately the place the seller
lived wasn't listed. They lived in ** Walk, and being a Walk this
generally leads between two streets that cars can access. So their
I see some areas have been imported near here, public_transport=pay_scale_area,
for Harwich and Clacton. Is there a wiki page somewhere detailing what these
are (I'll search after sending this)?
In the case of Clacton, it looks like it was defined as a line from the coast,
inland, then back
boundary stops to avoid this situation.
Best wishes
Roger
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I am not offering to create the page so hopefully someone else
will do
that. (I am doing work on cleaning up other existing transit
related
wiki pages on when I have time).
I might do a page Tag:public_transport=pay_scale_area and divert
PlusBus to that?
Google reveals these areas were
I'm assuming that the naptan import when it happens will be as at a certain
point in time, and won't include any new bus stops since that time?
I'm asking because a bus route has changed in the last week or so that now
passes my house both ways instead of just one way and rather than add bus
landuse=forest - actively managed trees,
natural=wood - natural woodland
Surely logically the options are
landuse=forest - large area of actively managed trees,
landuse=wood - small area of actively managed trees,
natural=wood - small area containing naturally occurring trees
Most people don't consult
the wiki
pages: if they think it is a wood they tag it as a wood. And
I'd contend
that most people think something is a wood because it is not
big enough
to be a forest, though I have no real evidence other than
common sense
and the widespread use of it for that
Adam wrote:
Formally recognized or not, mapnik renders man_made=tower.
=water_tower anyway. *whoops*
It does know man_made=mast though which I think corresponds to a
communications tower.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapnik/Tags
Jack wrote:
Longleat Zoo has areas that you can drive though that contain
several
different animals. Zebra, Giraffe etc. How would you label
that?
Firstly as Safari Park rather than Zoo. But looking here:
http://www.longleat.co.uk/safari-park/safari-journey.html
for the area you mention:
Streets certainly get postcoded differently on opposite sides
of the
street - one just has to look at the street name signs (as used
by
Rushcliffe BC) to see that.
Albert Road in Wolverhampton was one of the boundaries between WV6
and WV1, where one side was all WV6 and the other all WV1 (as
Ed: I notice you have tweeked the 'non-simple' way today. Do
you think
it is now simple? If not do you want to try and sort it.
I checked the way quite a bit. It shares most of its nodes with a
section of a beach area, but that shouldn't be an issue. None of the
nodes are included in the way
Xav wrote:
Well... no reference ?
There is a note at the bottom of the wiki page about the German use
of ref (don't know if it's been added recently). In the UK it is
more likely that if a ref tag is used at all, then it will be the
ref of the motorway that is used as motorway restrictions
The Essex one I traced from the dotted line on NPE. I'm not sure
about 12 miles for county boundaries - I don't think Essex would
want to have to maintain it's own navy to repel Suffolk encroachers
for example.
Having said that, I think I read somewhere that UK beaches below the
high water mark
- public transport (http://www.öpnvkarte.de)
Oh. I like that. I didn't realise it covered countries outside Germany as well.
And I didn’t know that there were bus route relations anywhere near here.
There's an added incentive to get around to adding the two bus routes I traced
the weekend
When the A3 bypass[0] was constructed the route crossed several
existing
rights of way. Rather than building bridges or underpasses it
appears
that the planners struck on the novel idea of asking
pedestrians to walk
across four lanes of heavy traffic moving at 70-80 mph.
I've seen a number
Peter wrote:
there has been a quite lively debate on talk-de about the
appearance of the openstreetmap.org page to newcomers to the
project
The front page design was mentioned here in early March, and pointed
to a wiki page where there was some brief discussion:
Ahh, yes I can :)
But how do I find the one who uploaded the tracks? And what if
they
don't reply or aren't active any more?
You could perhaps use Potlatch as an editor which only shows (I
think) a certain number of most recent traces, so the old ones would
expire at some point. Although if
Just spotted a railway line with a strange kink in it here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.56294lon=0.38386zoom=15;
layer
s=B000FTF
I'll revert it
And it wasn't just that. There were also roads moved and added,
rivers, woods and admin boundaries distorted - all obvious now
they're
Actually, I might not have reverted everything I spotted. There
seems to be a bug in Potlatch reversion - it doesn't always seem to
save the changes. It seems to work if I revert and then briefly move
a node and move it back again. Presumably this is making a new
version based on the reverted one.
While scanning for more obvious liam123 changes, I spotted the QE2 bridge and
the Dartford tunnel. The bridge and one direction of the two tunnels are tagged
as A282(M) and the other tunnel as A282. All tagged highway=motorway. I don't
believe they are motorway - I think from driving it that
On 12 Jun 2009, at 10:42, Greg Stark wrote:
How do you revert it? I don't see any button for that in the
changeset
viewer on Potlatch. And for that matter how do you view
changesets
usefully in Potlatch? All it seems to show me is the current
view with
no way to view the before and after
I'd suggest hazard=tanks (plural).
I've not seen signs warning about tanks, but did have to give way to
one at a t-junction once on the road from Wolverhampton to Cosford
(as I joined it on the road from Shifnal). You could feel the road
(and car) vibrating long before you knew what was causing
And here is the current OSM guidance:-
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:admin_level#admin_level
In order to tie in with NUTS and with guidance for other
countries
within OSM we might want to do the following for England
(Scotland
and Wales would be similar but would skip some
In my eyes, that road would be simply tagged with
highway=cycleway.
As per the discussion on the talk page of the proposal.
Alternatively highway=(road type), access=no, bicycle=yes. There are
arguments I believe that in exceptions where cars are also allowed,
having a different highway type
Sorry forgot URL (though I guess most of you are familiar) -
http://www.free-map.org.uk. Also note you can add comments on a
POI (e.g.
pub) by clicking on it.
Have you a wiki page to say how to tag for things to render under
each category?
For example, for public footpaths are you including
I also stated this in the original email - the key is out of
date at
present, I need to update it. The original email describes what
the
colours mean.
Ooops. I skipped straight to the second email with the link and
missed the first. My apologies.
Ed
But it opens a large can of worms if you are looking at
temporal
information. All SciFi books can tell you that.
What, like a child node might risk becoming it's own grandfather
node?
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In case anyone here isn't in the talk-gb list as well, there is a wiki page now
where Sustrans have provided their list of all the mileposts, and would like us
to tell them where they are (more accurately than their text description of the
location that is). The wiki page makes it clearer:
Jonathan asked:
Do we have an existing tagging scheme for these?
Yes
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Nation
al_Cycle_Network#Tagging_information
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I am not quite shure if this is pointless or not. I mean, we
are
actually lacking an english term to distinguish between some
types of
castles and you suggest to select a random english word (that
more or
less matches what you want to express) to define it? Help me:
Why
don't we use the
Peter wrote:
Any suggestion on what we should recommend for the UK?
Either of:
maxspeed=30mph (the user should strip a trailing mph to find the
value)
maxspeed=30 mph (the user should strip the last word if it is mph
including the space)
The maplint validation uses a regular expression which
FWIW highway code conversions are:
20mph = 32
30mph = 48
40mph = 64
50mph = 80
60mph = 96
70mph = 112
Ah - which differs from what is posted on roads out of ports:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:MaxSpeedConversionHarwich.jpg
(60mph = 95km/h, 70mph=110km/h, and it looks like I
Adding another log to the fire...
Is there a case for specifying knots in the same way as mph for
waterway
tags?
Maplint validation already allows this (maxspeed=10knots for
example, with or without a space)
Ed
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There is a major problem with using maxspeed=NSL.
Dual Carriageways.
How will the applications know that a way is part of a dual
carriageway
or is just one oneway way that happens to be near another
oneway way?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Dual_carriagew
ays
If
How do you tag a drinking establishment that is not a pub?
Does amenity=nightclub fit the bill?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dnightclub
Otherwise stick with amenity=pub and use the osmarender layer for a
cocktail glass icon...
Ed
Is there anything else I need to know about getting good
tracks?
Lambertus posted some tips on logging to this list in April:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-April/036015.html
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Important to who?
A good question. Perhaps prominence rather than important?
I'm in two minds about the proposal. It feels like it is tagging for
the renderer, but could be argued that it is providing information
about how well known a place is to allow the renderers to make more
useful
Both Primary and Trunk get green signs - but only the latter
are
maintained by The Highway's Agency (in England)
Except in OSM, where Trunk means a primary road with a green side,
and Primary means other A road.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway#Values
The Trunk value seems to
FWIW I personally think highway=road is not generally of much
use in 90% of
cases. Whether you're tracing from Yahoo or NPE or whatever,
you can very
often work out what highway value the road should have.
Yes, but if highway=road were in the list, people might read up on
what it meant so
OJ W wrote:
Having missed it during the mapping party, I went back
yesterday to get area 1:
I did a small bit of area 28 today where friends live (though not
all of 28). I'll upload that tomorrow, but have family commitments
that have been delayed too long already by my Stourbridge Canal
edits
So as long as exception roads have speed tags, what's the
problem?
None as far as I can see, but by the time you've checked every road
in the zone to see whether it is an exception, and presumably tagged
it as checked so other mappers know it has been checked so they
don't also need to go and
Can somebody look into reverting way 33136730 and 33136657.
If this hasn't been done yet, try investigating the H key in
Potlatch. Reverting individual ways is usually fairly easy.
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I wrote:
If this hasn't been done yet, try investigating the H key in
Potlatch. Reverting individual ways is usually fairly easy.
Sorry, wrong talk list...
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I notice from the rerendered cycle map layer, that some of these have been
tagged as a local cycle network Redway
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.0473lon=-0.7524zoom=13layers=00B0FTF
Should we do this with all the Redways?
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Andy wrote:
Not using the lcn_ref tag, please. It's hardly an
alphanumerical identifier tag.
If you put them in as a relation, then both the name and/or ref
tags
are respected by the cycle map.
So, perhaps a single relation for all MK Redways?
Ed
In true classic form, we seem to have forgotten to map the area
around
the venue.
I did remember to put the venue on Sunday morning for a change.
I added a telephone box that I passed between where I parked and the
hotel.
Ed
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The C classification is just not available on the ground, and
is in
practice only of use to highway engineers.
This interpretation is subjective to some extent, but more
useful IMO
(and leads to prettier maps :-))
I notice that some of the tertiary grid roads in MK have had what
was
http://www.cbrd.co.uk/c-roads/
But is this not confusing highway=tertiary with C roads? A bit like
the confusion that arises between using highway=trunk for the
green/yellow A roads in the UK rather than the trunk network as
maintained by the highways agency. The tag value is perhaps a bit
I notice that Colchester has recently 'graduated' from UK
Mapping
Priorities due to the large effort that is currently going into
the
place. I have added a 'graduate' section to the UK Mapping
Priority
page for a list of towns that no longer warrant inclusion in
the list
(and have put
I have noticed a problem with osmarender: If an area is tagged
as
'amenity=grave_yard', osmarender ignores it. Could I ask
someone
qualified to repair this problem, please?
Thank you in advance,
Radomir Cernoch
PS: 'landuse=cemetery' is rendered well in both renderers.
For areas I
Hi Miguel,
I’ve noticed this recently near where I live. Requesting a rerender
usually fixes the problem, but why it happens sometimes and not
others I don’t know. I’m guessing a bug in the ti...@home client
somewhere, so have copied this reply to the tilesathome list.
For the area you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:London
Both links go to the same Wikipedia page.
Ed
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It's a good job you pointed that out, I've always been led to
believe
it was mid-tide level and am going to do some tweaking of some
coastlines soon. I'm sure there's either a wiki page or a list
post
suggesting it should be mid-tide somewhere.
We should really have both a high tide and a
Torsten wrote:
can anybody give me a hint on a GPS logger? I'd just like to
track the
position on SD card.
It would be great if the battery would last for a week or even
longer.
That should also be much cheaper than e.g. Garmin GPS devices.
I'm quite happy with my NaviGPS GT-31 as
I've emailed RichardF already as Potlatch suggested I do so, but JOSM won't
help me either. I've added three ways to the EV12 relation, but can't add them
to the NCN51 relation (15020) in either Potlatch or JOSM. So I suspect there is
something weird about relation 15020 but can't see anything
What is your problem with having way sections between each
intersection
instead of one long way?
I don't have a problem with splitting ways, as that is what I've
always done to add the relevant tags to the relevant section. But I
can understand that there is a bit of an issue with doing such a
more people (I speculate) are
leaving
their Potlatch comments empty.
Perhaps I should RTFM (or RTFW), but I couldn't see anywhere obvious
to put a comment (and doing a quick wiki search am no clearer).
Checking my post-upgrade edits you can tell the three I did with
JOSM and the one I did
Richard wrote:
Specifically, Potlatch
at present creates a new changeset when you open it, so if you
don't
actually make any edits then an empty changeset will result.
Talking of Potlatch, should I open a trac ticket for the following?
An example way:
Richard wrote:
I know of two issues with Potlatch 0.11 at the moment. One is
relation
handling (actually I see Ed's just posted about that) - not
clear yet
whether this is Potlatch-specific.
JOSM showed the relation that the way was part of, but there seems
to be a different relation issue
How large is the current delay before uploaded data became
visible?
My question is slightly different. I uploaded two changesets
successfully earlier from JOSM (the third took over an hour so I
clicked Abort and ended up losing my edits, so lucky there weren't
too many. I'll try again when
Mike wrote:
How about simply using motorcar=no, foot=yes, etc. - I don't
see these as
having the same implications as the access= tags.
You might not, but the wiki (at least currently - you know how these
things can change g) suggests otherwise. From
Ais I said nature in the midle may occur also for paved
tracks.
image-google founds for Betonspurweg this image:
http://www.alsv.gr.ch/dynamic/uploads/bilder/thumb3/deepgalerie
_upload_1143528770_1.jpg
It's clearly premium level of quality called grade1 inside
OSM...
Also this one from
Someoneelse wrote:
...not while the sun's shining!
It wasn't here when I added the subcategory (and recategorised 4
pages):
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Isle_of_Wight_Workshop_2
006
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I'm beginning personally to think that
highway=footway/cycleway/bridleway were all a mistake and that
highway=path and designation=public_footpath/etc, along with
suitable access keys (foot, bicycle, etc) would have been a better
starting point - there would certainly be fewer debates where things
This talk of turn restriction relations reminds me of a junction
where I think I need to add loads of relations, but to date haven't
as many of them will include a roundabout as the from or to part.
http://is.gd/pOrJ (shortened permalink)
As you can see there is a roundabout, but there is also
Just a thought, but if the new park boundary follows existing administrative
(e.g. parish) boundaries, and if these are the same as can be traced off the
out of copyright maps in Potlatch, and if you can find something in writing
stating the facts of which parishes are (or aren’t) within the
So you're saying that highway=cycleway is not intended for ways
which
are for bicycles? What an ... interesting interpretation!
I think mainly/exclusively may overstress the exclusively bit. I
think generally if a bicycle and a pedestrian can use a way, but
cars can't then highway=cycleway
landuse=industrial
type=auto_wrecker
but maybe tagging
industrial=auto_wrecker would be better?
I dont see a way to add it to the wiki, as it seems to be
locked.
I'm not sure where you're trying to add it, but Map Features, the
landuse template and the Key:landuse page don't seem to be
I think it is perfectly obvious in the UK, it's a cycleway if
it has the
blue cycle sign indicating that a surface is permitted for
cycling when
it otherwise not be.
My highway code defines that sign with a round background as Route
to be used by pedal cycles only - so I'd have thought
I wrote:
So if you have a shared use cycle/footpath where the bicycle
and
people are above each other white on a blue sign I'd say that
highway=cycleway, foot=designated, cycle=designated and
highway=footway, foot=designated, cycle=designated are
equivalent,
and the only difference is
Tal asked:
So I was wondering, is there any way to run a tilesAtHome
client, and
ask for the tilesAtHome server only for jobs in my immediate
near
area? These requests hide somewhere in the queue..
Or can I somehow initiate rendering of the relevant tiles and
simply
upload them
I wrote:
The answer to your first question is Yes, but it is better
to add
them to the queue.
Marc asked:
Why is that? Given your stylesheets etc. are up to date, there
is no difference between queuing them and wait for someone else
to render them, and doing it yourself.
What is the static map? Will a tile be rendered when I view
it in the
static map?
The static map is where you can see the tiles in a 3x3 grid. You
can't drag around like you can with the slippy map. There is a
Request Rerender button below the grid which will request a rerender
of the tile in
What is the static map? Will a tile be rendered when I view it
in the
static map?
And as for clicking on the slippy map, will it not just somehow
boost
the priority, but still keep it in the queue? I think I saw it
somewhere on the wiki...
I think I've sent another reply explaining that
Kenneth asked:
where has the content gone:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Deploying_your_own_Slippy_Ma
p
From the history, then user contributions I tracked it down. User
Peter289 moved it to:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Creating_your_own_tiles
Ed
one in Bury St Edmunds is tagged landuse=industrial (with a
visitor
centre attraction).
That was me. It really is a factory, so I felt industrial was
appropriate.
No, I agree. I've seen the place and it is very industrial. But
landuse to me seems more appropriate for areas, so not much
Hi
Does anyone have suggestions on how best to tag breweries if you only have a
node and not a building= area? I've looked through the wiki and the creating a
proposal page mentions:
you want a tag for a 'brewery' - consider searching for 'beer',
'manufacturing', 'alcohol', 'industrial',
Andy wrote:
yeah, the tags landuse=industrial and industrial=brewing works
for me
After some thought I went with this, but if the node ever becomes an
area I would probably tag it building=brewery.
I quite like the idea of a business= tag though.
Ed
Indeed, but OS lays claim to data _derived_ from their maps,
not just
copying of the maps.
If GPS co-ordinates were the original source of the data, but they
had been converted to grid references to make it easier for people
to try looking up the locations on OS maps, would they still try and
this is my second approach to get some votes for my proposal
basin=infiltration [1]. Until now I got two approvals.
Because the recommended period of two weeks ended yesterday I
extended
the voting period and would like to remind you of this
proposal.
Could you perhaps add an image
Hi Daniel,
Is there an easy way to determine the activity level of users
in my
area? I live in Seattle, WA USA. Seems like most of you folks
are in
Europe.
There is also a talk-us list you might want to investigate, and a
brief entry on the OSM wiki for Seattle:
David replied to Peter:
Quite a lot of the Cambs/West Suffolk stuff is organised by
District at
the moment (though I perhaps mistakenly conflated Cambridge and
South
Cambridgeshire, and e.g. the East Cambs page is actually named
Ely).
District is a bit more manageable a unit than County
There is plenty left to do, but I hope people are happy with
what we
have being doing so far.
Would it make more sense for
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/England
to redirect to WikiProject_England now instead of
WikiProject_United_Kingdom?
If so then it can be easily updated at this link:
Hi Lars,
The OSM wiki has a map tag that looks like this:
map lat=63 lon=16.5 z=5 w=360 h=720 /
In the page [[WikiProject Sweden]], this shows a 360x720 pixel
image based on zoom 5 map tiles centered around 63° N 16.5° E.
Is this a user-friendly way to put a map in a wiki page? Would
I wrote:
As I think someone else pointed out, if it is abusable then we
could abuse it and not lose any data with the switch.
And before the flood of emails - I forgot the smiley.
I'm sure I read somewhere lots of suggestions about what would
happen to various items based on whether the
Martin wrote:
Perhaps give option to agree to ODbL also to existing accounts
(though
do not make it mandatory for now). This could also solve some
problems
if people leave the project in the meantime (perhaps because
they have
already mapped their area of interest or whatever ...)
I was
Shaun wrote:
This crossing of a highway and a railway needs to
be tagged as railway=level_crossing
Is not quite right as it should also allow
railway=crossing. a crossing is a crossing just for
pedestrians, while level_crossing is a crossing where
larger vehicles can cross too.
Hi
Well, then there is question: what is worse?
1. Have all the data, but risk someone abusing it?
2. Or force the license change, therefore enforcing the share-
alike
rights correctly, but tossing some data away?
Note that if cc-by-sa is somehow abusable, anybody that want to
abuse
the
Nick wrote:
However all schemes are correct and therefore no one should
modify someone elses edits just on the basis of a personal
preference.
It depends how you define correct. Anyone can tag anything any way
they like, but it helps to follow the commonly accepted tags (such
as those
Sly:
Looks like Ed was faster than me doing it on the wiki. Also I
would have
prefered a bit of talking since some people seams to prefere
1/0 rather than
yes/no
I meant to change it when we discussed it last in the doctors/doctor
thread. At some point in the past before I started mapping
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