Re: [Talk-us] Mapping inside airports

2016-11-17 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 11/16/2016 8:23 PM, Kevin Morgan wrote: Has any one had any issues with airport security as a result of mapping features inside US airports? No. When airport mapping I'm either - walking around, focused on my phone and periodically looking up and inputting stuff into it. This is now

Re: [Talk-GB] Technical Help

2016-11-02 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 10/28/2016 5:28 AM, Brian Prangle wrote: There's a small amount of seed funding and we need to size a server and storage that will serve OSM tiles for the West Midlands (Geofabrik's download is 37MB for an osm.pbf file). We would need a production server with an initial guesstimate hit

Re: [Talk-ca] Road route relations: network tag

2016-10-28 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 10/27/2016 3:04 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: My mapping colleagues (not me, I only map in my spare time :)) noted that there are some irregular network tags on highways in Canada. The usual hierarchical notation[1] is in place in many relations, but we encountered deviations from that

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v2.44.1

2016-10-12 Per discussione Paul Norman
Dear all, Today, v2.44.1 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on openstreetmap.org) has been released. Also, v2.44.0 was released last month without an email, so this email includes changes in both. v2.44.0 has been rolled out to the openstreetmap.org servers, but

Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

2016-10-01 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 2016-10-01 02:36 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote: Maybe I'm a bit late to the party, but I don't feel it's great to give special treatment to Mapnik in the infobox, and there is not enough room for presenting all the renderers there. OpenStreetMap Carto is given special treatment on osm.org by

Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual feedback wanted for OpenStreetMap Carto

2016-09-20 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 9/17/2016 7:32 PM, Paul Norman wrote: I'm looking for feedback from people who read non-latin languages on a proposed OpenStreetMap Carto font change. We are considering moving to Noto fonts and could use feedback from people who can read languages which have non-latin scripts

Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual feedback wanted for OpenStreetMap Carto

2016-09-19 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 9/19/2016 3:24 AM, Andy Townsend wrote: On 19/09/2016 11:13, Paul Norman wrote: The changes this topic is about are not live on openstreetmap.org. The original message has details, but the issue tracking the proposed changes is https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull

Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual feedback wanted for OpenStreetMap Carto

2016-09-19 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 9/19/2016 2:32 AM, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: The hyphens are not disappearing from the Ukrainian geographical names. The names are just always spit in two lines at a hyphen for some towns. Exactly as for Wotton-under-Edge in the UK. Google

[OSM-talk] Multilingual feedback wanted for OpenStreetMap Carto

2016-09-17 Per discussione Paul Norman
I'm looking for feedback from people who read non-latin languages on a proposed OpenStreetMap Carto font change. We are considering moving to Noto fonts and could use feedback from people who can read languages which have non-latin scripts, particularly Asian languages. I've made previews in

Re: [Talk-GB] Users tagging Farmyard as place=farm (Was Summer quarterly project)

2016-09-14 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 9/14/2016 7:37 AM, Dave F wrote: From the examples posted it's clear the recent rise is due to the iD editor's presets. There have been mentions of OSM Carto and iD presets causing an increase in place=farm usage. Support for place=farm was added to the default style on osm.org back in

Re: [OSM-talk] Overpass XAPI URL Status

2016-09-14 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 9/14/2016 11:04 AM, mmd wrote: Am 14.09.2016 um 09:30 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt: >I help support a large company that uses OSM data, pulled via a specific >query at ://www.overpass-api.de/api/xapi >. This query runs about once a month. xapi endpoint is

Re: [Talk-ca] Canvec attributes (roads)

2016-09-09 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 9/9/2016 2:34 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: The conflation engine takes OSM PBF as input, so the Canvec shapefiles would need to be translated (using ogr2osm). The CanVec we've used in the past has been supplied in OSM XML format. No one has proposed a new import with a different format, so

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v2.43.0

2016-09-05 Per discussione Paul Norman
Dear all, Today, v2.43.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on openstreetmap.org) has been released. It has not yet been rolled out to the openstreetmap.org servers. Changes include - Adjust alotments pattern - Whitespace cleanups of code - Adjust colours of dog

Re: [Talk-ca] Forests/Land Use, was: Canvec reverts

2016-09-01 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 9/1/2016 1:22 PM, Paul Ramsey wrote: I'm not sure I agree. "Better than nothing" I guess is the principle, but when what is there (not nothing) gets in the way of improving other features, then it's not better than nothing. And what if what's there is, from an information point of view,

Re: [Talk-ca] Forests/Land Use, was: Canvec reverts

2016-09-01 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 9/1/2016 8:17 AM, Paul Ramsey wrote: I'm "glad" to see someone else w/ this issue. It's glancingly related to the canvec import issue, since the land use polygons are a source of some of the issues the reverter is complaining about (malformed multipolygons / boundary overlaps). In my own

Re: [Talk-ca] CanVec Reverts

2016-09-01 Per discussione Paul Norman
that OpenStreetMap is a crowd-sourcing project, which inherently involves working with other people. This requires good communication, which was absent here. Paul Norman For the OpenStreetMap Foundation Data Working Group [1]: Except for the CanVec license, which is ODbL and possibly CC BY-SA [2]: Much

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v2.42.0

2016-08-24 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 8/24/2016 5:25 AM, Dave F wrote: Hi Has label positioning with irregular polygons been improved? If so, it works very well: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/51.3166/-2.1700 I don't think we've made any changes there. It could be something else that has changed in the data. We

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto issues of interest

2016-08-18 Per discussione Paul Norman
There are some OpenStreetMap Carto issues which might be interesting to a larger audience Improving the water colour: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1781 There's been a discussion of options for improving the water colour to improve contrast with a number of

Re: [Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap at the Crossroads – The Map Room

2016-08-17 Per discussione Paul Norman
ue you can escalate it to the Data Working Group by emailing d...@osmfoundation.org. We have some additional tools we can use. Paul Norman For the Data Working Group ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca

Re: [Talk-ca] Mapping exit numbers and destinations in Canada

2016-08-16 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 8/11/2016 5:53 AM, Kevin Farrugia wrote: Yes - recently bootprint, andrewpmk, and I have been changing and correcting the name tags to destination in Ontario along the 400-Series highways. If you see a ramp/link that is named, it's fine to change it over to destination or correct a problem

[OSM-talk] DWG looking for Chinese translation help

2016-08-16 Per discussione Paul Norman
The OSM Foundation Data Working Group is looking for help with translating a couple of messages to Chinese. These messages are about data we're going to need to redact, so we want to make sure they understand. If you can help, please contact d...@osmfoundation.org

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools

2016-08-05 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 8/5/2016 5:59 AM, Andy Allan wrote: Our mapping conventions are based on our mappers, not consumers. As you say, it's easy for the consumers to handle both situations, but it's harder for mappers to deal with multipolygons-with-one-outer than just a basic closed way. Speaking as a data

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OpenStreetMap usage limits

2016-08-03 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 8/3/2016 5:04 AM, stones_edite...@cosoluce.fr wrote: Hi, Our company is developping a web application. Scenario is : ·The web application will be sold to many clients (one application for each) ·The web application will be hosted on our web server most of the time (and in some

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] MAPS.ME combining OSM data and non-OSM data?

2016-07-22 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 7/22/2016 12:28 AM, Ilya Zverev wrote: Consider a simpler experiment. I remove nodes based on an obscure algorithm. I then publish the rest of the database and a list of removed nodes under an open license. Do I have to open the algorithm? The database would be a derivative database and

Re: [talk-au] CC 4.0 was Re: Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-15 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 7/12/2016 1:50 AM, Simon Poole wrote: - the additional requirement to adhere to the AUS privacy regulations was not addressed in the response, which in itself would be a killer. It depends if it's part of the license or a reminder that in Australia there are other laws that may effect what

Re: [talk-au] CC 4.0 was Re: Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-15 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 7/15/2016 7:15 PM, cleary wrote: In regard to the Australian Privacy Principles, I think they have responded to our concern. On this issue, the earlier response stated very clearly that "We can also confirm that OpenStreetMap is not responsible for the actions of your downstream users."

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v2.41.0

2016-07-13 Per discussione Paul Norman
Dear all, Today, v2.41.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet (the default stylesheet on openstreetmap.org) has been released. Changes include * More consistent fonts for POI labels * Less saturated stadiums * Rendering obelisks and dog parks * An updated list of font packages * Cleaning up

Re: [Talk-us] problematic import in san francisco state university

2016-06-18 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 6/18/2016 10:13 AM, Eric Ladner wrote: I could fix it manually, if you like. Pretty straight forward, actually. I wouldn't suggest putting too much work into it until we determine a source, since it's possible the data might have to go. ___

Re: [Talk-ca] Stat Can and buildings

2016-06-15 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 6/15/2016 3:08 PM, john whelan wrote: Thank you Paul I think that sums up the issue nicely, someone at Stats Canada is going to have fun working out which tags are relevant to them especially when some may be a different way to express the same thing. Plus of course we have

Re: [Talk-ca] Stat Can and buildings

2016-06-15 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 6/15/2016 8:01 AM, john whelan wrote: As a first step Stats would like to know the tags used when mapping buildings in Canada and the number of times used. This is to get an idea of what is already mapped and to see which values should be used when new tags are added. I looked at a

Re: [OSM-talk] Opportunity for a new featured layer on osm.org (was: Direct Access to MapQuest map tiles ending)

2016-06-15 Per discussione Paul Norman
With the MQ Open changes, there is an opportunity for a general-purpose map style to become a new featured layer on osm.org. The requirements for a new layer are at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_tile_layers/Guidelines_for_new_tile_layers The key ones are - Supported by whomever

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcement: Direct Access to MapQuest map tiles without a key will end on 11 July 2016. Details on getting keys and SDKs

2016-06-15 Per discussione Paul Norman
- Does this mean that MQ Open tiles will need to be removed from osm.org? - MQ Open tiles on open.mapquest.com are still pointing at an old style. Will this be changing? - Will MQ be updating the various references they've added on the OSM wiki which contain information on how to use MQ Open

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Reporting Attribution Issues on Mapbox maps

2016-06-14 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 6/10/2016 3:03 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: But I'm a little concerned about non-MB hosted maps. If not this URL, where can we report attribution issues related to non-hosted Mapbox maps and can you link to that other place we can report attribution issues related to that other kind of

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Reporting Attribution Issues on Mapbox maps

2016-06-14 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 6/10/2016 3:03 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: But I'm a little concerned about non-MB hosted maps. If not this URL, where can we report attribution issues related to non-hosted Mapbox maps and can you link to that other place we can report attribution issues related to that other kind of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC BY-NC (was FYI Collective Database Guideline)

2016-06-10 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 6/10/2016 9:48 AM, Tom Lee wrote: Protecting commercial interests by limiting reuse is generally not a goal of open licenses*. If someone owns proprietary data and wants to extract rents from it, they probably shouldn't contribute it to an open data project like OSM. * obviously there are

[Talk-us] Proposed import cleanup: Olympic peninsula streams

2016-05-19 Per discussione Paul Norman
The Olympic peninsula has a a few imports from the US NFS and NPS I'm proposing cleaning them up with a mechanical edit that for streams from the NFS - Removes attribution=US-NFS, fixme=resurvey, import_uuid, length, length_unit, llid, and waterway_llid tags - Changes

[Talk-us] Proposed import cleanup: NYSDEClands

2016-05-19 Per discussione Paul Norman
I was debugging some MP issues and came across the NYSDEClands import[1], done in 2010, consisting of natural areas. They have a number of unwanted tags[2], and a couple of other problems with their tags Because there's a relatively small number of them, I think a mechanical edit is the best

Re: [Talk-ca] Fort McMurray forest fires

2016-05-10 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 5/9/2016 11:17 PM, Heather Leson wrote: Hi Folks Planet Labs opened up their imagery with an OSM friendly license https://www.planet.com/pulse/fort-mcmurray-wildfire/ The license on there (CC BY-SA) is not suitable for deriving data for use in OSM with - do we have a special permission

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2016-05-09 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 8/19/2015 2:29 AM, Nathan Mixter wrote: I would like to see areas in OSM categorized as either land use, land cover (which we call natural for the most part in OSM) or administrative to clear the confusion. I am also in favor of eliminating the landuse=forest tag at least in its current

Re: [Talk-ca] Fort McMurray forest fires

2016-05-09 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 5/9/2016 12:43 PM, Kunce, Dale wrote: Bernie, I do see that the building footprints are in the esri basemap unfortunately this doesn’t actually help. The esri basemap data is just an tiled image and does not provide us with the vector data that we need to complete our work. I’m happy to

[Talk-ca] Fwd: Re: Fort McMurray forest fires

2016-05-05 Per discussione Paul Norman
Fort McMurray is the 5th largest city in the province of Alberta and has been evacuated in the face of wildfires which have burned thousands of structures. Satellites have been tasked to gather imagery, but it probably won't be very useful imagery for OSM until the smoke has cleared. My guess

Re: [Talk-us] Representing census-designated places (CDP), Census County Division (CCD), etc

2016-04-28 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 4/28/2016 12:24 PM, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: We are having a discussion about representing statistical boundaries in Brazil and while trying to search for similar cases I found that your CDP (maybe CCD too) seems to be similar: "They don't have any legal status, or represent the

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Old Aerodromes

2016-04-12 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 4/12/2016 2:40 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Tuesday 12 April 2016, Martijn van Exel wrote: >Hi, > >I was mapping some rural area in the U.S. and noticed, not for the >first time, an aerodrome node in the middle of a field where there is >obviously no airport or airfield. I am not sure

Re: [OSM-talk] RfD notification: Purge tag "priority" from tracks

2016-04-08 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 4/8/2016 7:14 AM, Roland Olbricht wrote: This constitutes a mechanical edit. Therefore, I would like to notify you that I have put a request for discussion on talk-transit@ . If you would like to discuss, please do so there. The talk-transit@ list is inactive, and not entirely relevant

[OSM-talk] Switch2OSM graphic design help needed

2016-04-03 Per discussione Paul Norman
Switch2OSM is undergoing a rewrite to allow a different contribution model. As part of this we had to switch from the existing WordPress design to one using Jekyll. This requires a new visual design, and we're looking for help from a graphic designer. This is independent of content changes,

Re: [Talk-us] Communications manager

2016-04-01 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 4/1/2016 12:22 AM, Greg Morgan wrote: I would think that the US Board should add another board member to be a communications manager. I now understand why corporations have paid staff that do nothing but manage all these communication options. Why would this need to be a board member as

[OSM-talk] Redaction of some Afghanistan data

2016-03-31 Per discussione Paul Norman
the mapper for more information about what they did. It is much better to catch this type of problem early, simplifying and reducing the cleanup work required. Paul Norman For the Data Working Group ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [Talk-us] Caliparks re-tagging paths?

2016-03-24 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 3/24/2016 5:50 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: It is obvious to me that all occurrences of highway=social_path need to be replaced with whatever they were before. I'd normally say let's give them some time to come up with a better idea but seeing that the problem has been highlighted to them pretty

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Piers vs Docks

2016-03-11 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 2016-03-11 9:50 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: Does iD have an American english translation? Maybe it should. iD is in en_US, with an en_GB translation. For example, the untranslated help text mentions freeways, while en_GB mentions motorways. ___ talk

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

2016-03-03 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 2016-03-02 7:14 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: On 2016-03-01 06:42 PM, Tristan Anderson wrote: >Let's not be too hasty in removing large amounts of data, … simply >because it may or may not be compatible with a future OSM license. That's not the issue. It's not compatible with the current

[OSM-talk] osm2pgsql 0.90.0 release

2016-03-02 Per discussione Paul Norman
Osm2pgsql 0.90.0 has been released. The major changes since 0.88.0 are - Windows support is much improved, and osm2pgsql builds natively with MSVC - Osm2pgsql now requires a C++11 compiler - Memory overhead for very small extracts is significantly reduced - Multi-threading support is enabled

Re: [Talk-ca] Bus stops in Ottawa

2016-02-29 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 2016-02-29 2:46 AM, john whelan wrote: I think with the clause in the uploading terms that OSM can change the license its very difficult to import anything as it is difficult to say to City of Ottawa etc we'd like your data but we don't know what license it may have in OSM in the future.

Re: [Talk-us] Legal Research

2016-02-23 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 2016-02-22 12:38 AM, Ian Dees wrote: As has been mentioned before, the LWG and OSMF were and are involved in this process. The OSMF is not formally involved in the process, through the LWG or otherwise. OpenStreetMap US is free to engage with law students to ask legal questions about

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] share-alike on generalized data?

2016-02-06 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 2/6/2016 9:41 PM, Tobias Wendorff wrote: I mean, this won't be enough, will it? - get OSM data extract from 2016-02-07 - filter streets - get LMA data extract from 2015-12-31 - open in generalization tool XY with parameters XY When publicly using a derivative database (or produced work from

Re: [OSM-talk] Applicability of wiki tagging and votes: may, should or must

2016-02-01 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 1/29/2016 8:49 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 29 January 2016 at 17:37, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: "but that's not much to do with tagging diversity" - I would dispute it, from my personal experience. Tagging diversity IS one of real problems in using OSM data. +1.

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2016-01-28 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 1/28/2016 10:31 AM, Ken Wuschke wrote: So a suggestion to a definition for trunk routes in Canada could be a simple as: *A highway=trunk is a roadway that is a part of the National Highway System as defined by the Council of Ministers Responsible for Transportation

[Talk-us] Local event calendar

2016-01-26 Per discussione Paul Norman
On the front page of the wiki, we have a calendar showing upcoming local events, powered by http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Current_events The North American meetups have been inconsistent about adding them, but it'd be good to do better. This will help show that there's a share of meetups

Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

2016-01-26 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 1/26/2016 11:34 AM, Chandler Vancouver wrote: To begin with I am relatively new to OSM but I am trying to figure the Canadian definition for trunk status and find the current definition as described on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines#Trunk as academic and

Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing Starbucks Wikipedia Tags (Was Nominatim Weakness)

2016-01-21 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 1/21/2016 1:44 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: When we are done cleaning up Starbucks, we'll still have at least one Starbucks with a wikipedia link, the original store But this won't be a link to the Starbucks article, but instead the specific one on that notable store. I still believe that

Re: [Talk-GB] UKOSM - technical aspects

2016-01-10 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 1/10/2016 1:47 PM, Harry Wood wrote: For an OSMUK website you mean? I have a few ideas about that, and would like to be involved. Certainly I'd like to see something done in an openly editable way so it's not too much of a centralised "request changes from the chief" situation. Code in

Re: [OSM-talk] Involving Cyclists in OSM

2015-12-08 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 12/8/2015 4:40 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: I am meeting with one of the key players in Seattle's cycling clubs to pitch doing a presentation to their membership. I'm interested in hearing from cyclists on why and how OSM is useful to them. I have no problem talking about the open data concept

Re: [OSM-talk] Involving Cyclists in OSM

2015-12-08 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 12/8/2015 7:39 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Paul Norman <penor...@mac.com <mailto:penor...@mac.com>> wrote: For what points to pitch, I'd suggest - Crowd-sourced, so they can edit themselves, meaning they can get fixed data in min

Re: [OSM-talk] From osmf-talk: "Balancing the presence of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT US Inc) in the OpenStreetMap Foundation"

2015-12-04 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 12/2/2015 2:12 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton wrote: It also happens that I have stopped renewing my membership to the OSMF after an election where a candidate was excluded from the vote because his views on a controversial subject (related to license change) were strongly different from those of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licensing a combined OSM adapted and CC-BY derived work

2015-11-22 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 11/22/2015 6:19 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: On 23 November 2015 at 13:06, Andrew Harvey wrote: >To comply with the OSM data's ODBL license, my published results >contain a notice that it is "based on data (c) OpenStreetMap >Contributors under the Open Database License

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2015-11-22 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 11/22/2015 2:39 AM, Colin Smale wrote: I have heard a few times recently about what3words, a new novel coordinate/addressing system for the whole world. Could/should we be doing anything to support/facilitate/implement this system in OSM? No. Other people might talk about the

Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

2015-11-17 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 11/16/2015 6:09 PM, Steven Johnson wrote: Hi Frederik, Thanks for the suggestion and I appreciate the distinction. Because this is our first outing, we're sure that the badge will evolve and the requirements are terminology will evolve with them. I would suggest "Editor" for the criteria

[Talk-it] Application for local chapter status: Wikimedia Italia

2015-11-13 Per discussione Paul Norman
be signed is at http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Template_agreement. More information on local chapters can be found at http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/FAQ I want to thank the applicant for being patient, as the process has taken longer than it should. Paul Norman

Re: [talk-au] Highway route number prefixes for QLD and NT

2015-11-12 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 11/11/2015 9:04 PM, Leith Bade wrote: We hope in the future to also make use of route relations, however the key piece of software (osm2pgsql) we use to work with OSM does not support them. osm2pgsql does support route relations, and will in fact import them with the default style.

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

2015-11-08 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 11/7/2015 10:18 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: I find lately that it needs a patched Mapnik, because Mapnik (sensibly) went to a read-only database connection, and one of Phil's stored procedures modifies the database the first time that a shield cluster is requested. One of these times I'll fix it.

[OSM-talk] Fw: new message

2015-11-06 Per discussione Paul Norman
Hello! New message, please read <http://immugen.com/ways.php?j> Paul Norman ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-ca] Map rendering errors

2015-11-02 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 11/1/2015 5:27 AM, Bruno Remy wrote: By the evidence, this is a database problem in osm2pgsql schema , witch is used by Mapnik's rendering process. The most probable hypothesis is : some old nodes and old ways

Re: [Talk-us] Maxweight in the USA

2015-11-02 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 11/2/2015 2:28 PM, Toby Murray wrote: My view is that this isn't much different than speed limits. We don't tag maxspeed=96.5606, we tag maxspeed=60 mph. Tag what's on the sign. The complicating factor on this is of course that "ton" has at least 3 different meanings but I would generally

Re: [OSM-talk] Activity statistics per city (or region)

2015-10-27 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 10/26/2015 8:24 AM, Fabian Schmidt wrote: It is rare but there are users who renamed their account, so there are more user names than numeric user ids. No. Although users have renamed their account, this doesn't increase the number of user names, it changes one of them. Additionally,

Re: [Talk-us] rebooting: tagging footways and sidewalks discussion

2015-10-27 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 10/27/2015 7:33 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: I just noticed a similar question on the tagging mailing list: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-October/027115.html It would be nice to combine efforts, not ? Yes, this isn't a US issue so the discussions on the tagging@ list

[Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US chapter board elections

2015-10-21 Per discussione Paul Norman
of 4.28 votes were cast per completed ballot. Thanks to everyone who ran and was involved in the election, including the other scrutineer, Henk Hoff. -- Paul Norman ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] open question about boundaries sharing nodes with ways or nodes

2015-10-14 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 10/14/2015 1:23 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: You'd have to research how the boundary is defined. If there is some sort of legal definition that goes "the boundary has the following geometry: from lat/lon A to lat/lon B to lat/lon C...", independent of the river or highway, then it makes sense to

Re: [Talk-us] Increasing the number of US Mappers

2015-10-14 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 10/14/2015 5:30 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: - in each state, have a state mailinglist, limited to people who actively map in the state, because they live there, or because they drive there to work. Explicitly discourage non-locals from joining. These lists would have more of a "people

Re: [Talk-ca] Federal licence : Confusion

2015-10-12 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 10/12/2015 4:44 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: Much of the data is tagged with CANVEC import etc viewable in JOSM but in the Ottawa area in particular many of this attr / source tags have been removed. The tags don't matter; attribution is in the *© OpenStreetMap Contributors* link. Aren't

Re: [Talk-ca] Federal licence : Confusion

2015-10-12 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 10/12/2015 5:38 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: Many other national contributors use an OGL licence, such as in the UK . These contain very similar attribution terms

Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

2015-10-02 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 10/2/2015 7:23 AM, Tom Bloom wrote: -If the driveway is long and wrong, or short and inside an urban area, delete it. Paul and Kevin say I should fix them. Easily said, but there are are too many and there are whole towns needing alignment, and endless roads connecting them that don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Somebody should offer planet file postgis dump files

2015-09-27 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 9/26/2015 5:54 PM, Stephen Knox wrote: Does it really take this long to import a planet file these days? I would be interested to know if anyone else has imported one recently. I may import one myself at some point, but if it takes 6 days I probably won't bother. For osm2pgsql, it depends

Re: [OSM-talk] Somebody should offer planet file postgis dump files

2015-09-27 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 9/27/2015 6:55 AM, Daniel Koć wrote: Even if this is not 6 days long, it may still make sense to use differential dumps for example. I don't know how much additional resources we would need to create them and how faster would it be to import the data, but after one big import at - let's

[OSM-legal-talk] When should ODbL apply to geocoding

2015-09-22 Per discussione Paul Norman
I'm trimming the cc list and taking this to a new thread, since it's independent of the metadata guideline. On 9/22/2015 4:26 PM, Alex Barth wrote: Overall, I'd love to see us moving towards a share alike interpretation that applies to "OSM as the map" and allows for liberal intermingling of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Legal status of certain mapping activities

2015-09-16 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 9/16/2015 6:03 AM, Toggenburger Lukas wrote: Case 1: Is it legal/desired to look up the address of a particular POI on online maps like Bing map (https://www.bing.com/maps/), search.ch (http://map.search.ch), Google Maps (https://www.google.ch/maps/) or Swiss cantonal geoportals to

Re: [Talk-us] User HomocideBaltimore adding fake / fictional / old data all over Baltimore

2015-09-11 Per discussione Paul Norman
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/804 placed to force the user to read it before they can continue to edit. If needed, I can merge all the users changes and revert them in one go. On 9/10/2015 3:34 PM, Elliott Plack wrote: This is very strange! The user HomicideBaltimore has been

Re: [Talk-us] Another road classification disagreement (this time with HFCS in Kansas)

2015-09-06 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 9/6/2015 1:24 AM, Toby Murray wrote: US 24: two lanes, undivided, 65 MPH speed limit, narrow shoulders US 81: four lanes, divided by a 50 foot median, 70 MPH speed limit, 10 foot shoulders I'm pretty sure US 24 also has a lot more random driveways and farm access roads than US 81 although 81

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Any expert CC-BY - ODbL negotiators?

2015-08-30 Per discussione Paul Norman
The problem is that they have specified a license with attribution that is unreasonable for geodata (CC BY 3.0 and earlier). Neither OpenStreetMap.org or most data consumers (e.g. MapBox) would meet the CC BY 3.0 and earlier attribution requirements. There are a few options for permission. The

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Any expert CC-BY - ODbL negotiators?

2015-08-30 Per discussione Paul Norman
Sent from my Cyanogen phone On Aug 30, 2015 6:04 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Huh. Really? Did I completely misunderstand this?  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/GettingPermission My understanding was that when you import data into OSM, you assign special permission

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] GADM license - any news?

2015-08-25 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 8/25/2015 3:55 AM, Simon Poole wrote: - in dire circumstances and with a very large effort, as Paul has pointed out, three and a half years ago I managed to get hold of the responsible person with GADM and get explicit permission for a handful of datasets that had been imported in violation

Re: [OSM-talk] The Proposed Great Colour Shift

2015-08-22 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 8/22/2015 4:20 AM, Daniel Koć wrote: Could anybody with technical background in the inner OSM workings tell us what is holding us back with introducing new styles (be it raster styles, additional/interactive layers or even vector tiles)? Only a lack of people willing to do the work.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] GADM license - any news?

2015-08-21 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 8/21/2015 7:41 AM, Simone Aliprandi wrote: Do you know if any news have come in these six years? Do you know if OSM received a sort of direct permission to include those data in the OSM database? GADM is still under a non-commercial license. I don't know who said they were going to

Re: [OSM-talk] The Proposed Great Colour Shift

2015-08-20 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 8/20/2015 9:32 AM, john whelan wrote: As someone affected I wish to dissent therefore you do not have consensus not every one consents. Although not essential to the style discussion, I think it's important to correct this point. Consensus is not unanimity.

Re: [Talk-us] Arm chair mapping challenges

2015-08-19 Per discussione Paul Norman
. We learn by doing and constructive criticism. It's only when someone doesn't learn or ignore comments that it's a problem. Paul Norman For the Data Working Group ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-18 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 8/18/2015 1:58 PM, Ben Discoe wrote: As someone who has worked on protected areas in OSM globally, it has always been obvious that the landuse tags and the boundary tags serve clear and different purposes. US National Forests are boundaries around land which contain many uses(*), and

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths and Footways

2015-08-17 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 8/17/2015 3:25 PM, Rob Nickerson wrote: I'm surprised if this is just England and Wales as I would have thought some other country has some way of documenting paths in a legal context and as such this may be relevant for other countries I'm not aware of any countries which quite have the

Re: [Talk-ca] Fwd: Ottawa, Canada import

2015-08-17 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 8/17/2015 8:20 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: Hi James, but I did receive approval from the city that we could import data from data.ottawa.ca/dataset http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset. Which I documented here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Ontario:Ottawa/Import/Permission I'm

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-17 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 8/17/2015 10:10 AM, Tod Fitch wrote: The issue, as I see it, is that the OSM landuse=forest means that all the land so designated is used for timber production No. Unfortunately, all that a data consumer can gather from landuse=forest or natural=wood is that there are trees there.

[OSM-talk] Preview of OpenStreetMap Carto proposed road rendering changes

2015-08-17 Per discussione Paul Norman
I have set up a preview at http://bl.ocks.org/pnorman/raw/c61d6b11193081910866 of the proposed road rendering changes done by Matkoniecz as part of GSOC. There are more details at https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/1736#issuecomment-131638433, but please keep in mind

Re: [Talk-GB] Paths and Footways

2015-08-16 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 8/16/2015 1:57 PM, ajt1...@gmail.com wrote: Until I provided a counter-example there, the only example on https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/747 was of a well-mapped central European city. If there is evaluation of the results in both rural and urban settings in

Re: [OSM-talk] Best base to build on ...

2015-08-15 Per discussione Paul Norman
On 8/15/2015 2:09 PM, Lester Caine wrote: The simple answer seems to be that there is no standard when it comes to mapping applications and everybody creates their own personal special such as kosmtik rather than working with established standards:( Kosmtik is a standard. But it's a development

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