Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 59, Issue 20

2012-10-23 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 10/23/12 1:52 AM, Russ Nelson wrote: William Morris writes: Third local mapper chimes in: As weird as the cartography will look (and I've seen it appear as such on OSM in other U.S. cities), Route 7 through Burlington has no business being listed as primary. I can hit a maximum of

Re: [Talk-us] my lighting talk from SOTM US

2012-10-20 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 10/20/12 10:07 PM, Mike N wrote: On 10/20/2012 5:55 PM, Richard Welty wrote: i've just written this up in a blog posting. The lightning talk was entitled Maps for First Responders. Great post! The politics are the hardest part of the process - the Trimet-Portland program is a great way

[Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-19 Per discussione Richard Welty
we got some. Carl Frantzen of Talking Points Memo asked me about coming to SOTM US and i urged him to do so. he did and here we are: http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/openstreetmap-part-1-new-cartographers.php ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Scrubbing route relations

2012-10-18 Per discussione Richard Welty
the scrubbing looks mostly ok, BUT... i am one of the folks who started out using US:state:CR for county route networks, which i now believe was a mistake. we really should be using county names, not CR in the network tag, e.g. network=US:NY:Rensselaer otherwise we can't really tell which

[Talk-us] ITOWorld visualization: US Map Edits, 2007-2012

2012-10-18 Per discussione Richard Welty
this is the video that was shown during the welcome session at SOTM US on Saturday morning. pretty cool. https://vimeo.com/51341994 richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Scrubbing route relations

2012-10-18 Per discussione Richard Welty
suggested that I replace them with something like this so it's not necessary to know all the county names in order to correctly interpret something as a county route: network=US:NY:CR:Rensselaer Kosher? -mike. On Oct 18, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Richard Welty wrote: the scrubbing looks

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-10-15

2012-10-17 Per discussione Richard Welty
excellent. these are back up to the expected size, and so presumably are fairly complete. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-10-15

2012-10-17 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 10/17/12 10:55 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Was hoping to see a 10/16 or 10/17 snapshot, since I just did a good size edit for Tulsa highway construction and the brand new overpass now permanently closed over Charles Page Boulevard that a garbage truck totalled on Monday... the updates get done

[Talk-us] OSM US 2012 Election Results

2012-10-16 Per discussione Richard Welty
Monitoring was not required. Retiring Board Members (did not run): Michal Migurski Richard Welty ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

[Talk-us] OSM US Board election 2012

2012-10-12 Per discussione Richard Welty
a reminder, nominations close at 5pm Pacific Time (8pm Eastern Time) today. there are now 5 nominees, so i withdraw my threat to run again. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

[Talk-us] OSM US 2012 Election

2012-10-12 Per discussione Richard Welty
Nominations closed 1/2 hour ago, and the ballot links have just been sent. while there are only 5 nominees, we would appreciate it if everyone took the minute or two it takes to vote anyway. the first link in the mail is for the ballot, the second is for removal. they aren't labeled, my

[Talk-us] OSM US elections 2012

2012-10-08 Per discussione Richard Welty
we're working out processes in light of the fact that we have installed a new membership tracking system, and are working through some modest bugs that need to be addressed before we send out links for voting this coming friday. so here are some key things... 1) verifiying that board

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-10-05

2012-10-07 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 10/7/12 3:23 AM, Dave Hansen wrote: Lambertus's site is having some issues with the latest set. Probably best to ignore these at the moment. is the issue just missing sections? i noticed the file was much smaller than normal, but my garmin recognizes it and the map around Albany, NY seems

[Talk-us] OSM US officers 2012-2013 nominations

2012-10-06 Per discussione Richard Welty
the nominations are still open, at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Elections/2012 hopefully folks are still thinking about this. if at the close, there are not 5 nominees, even though i intended to step down, i'll nominate myself with an eye towards

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - not working for me

2012-10-01 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 10/1/12 1:40 AM, Alan Millar wrote: On Sat, 2012-09-29 at 17:48 -0400, Richard Welty wrote: my Nuvi is relatively new (about 2 years old). how old is the firmware on your Nuvi? Mine is rather old. Not sure about the date, but probably at least 5 years old. It just says Nuvi 200, software

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-09-26

2012-10-01 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 10/1/12 2:21 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Does Lambertus follow the list? i don't know, but he does read and respond to messages sent through the openstreetmap.org messaging system. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

[Talk-us] Portland Transit -- TriMet

2012-09-30 Per discussione Richard Welty
i encourage everyone going to portland to take a look at the trimet trip planner at trimet.org it's built on OSM, it's very well done, and it's convinced me that i don't need to rent a car in Portland. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - not working for me

2012-09-29 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 9/29/12 5:18 PM, Alan wrote: Anyone else have problems with recent versions of these no longer working for them? i generally take the 4G version, and the recent ones have worked fine on my Nuvi 255W. my Nuvi is relatively new (about 2 years old). how old is the firmware on your Nuvi?

[Talk-us] OSM US Board Election -- Nominations are open

2012-09-28 Per discussione Richard Welty
Nominations are now open. The election page is here; if you wish to nominate someone (it's ok to nominate yourself), add your name to the table under Candidates Results. Nominations will close on Friday, October 12th at 5pm Pacific Time.

[Talk-us] SOTM US: lightning talks

2012-09-27 Per discussione Richard Welty
there's a lonely table on the sotm us wiki page, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2012#Lightning_Talks for lightning talks. i have the only proposal there right now, it'd be great to have some competition. anyone attending who has a short subject is encouraged to make a

Re: [Talk-us] US-Canada Border between BC and Washington State

2012-09-17 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 9/17/12 7:48 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: I've been doing some work in the North Cascades National Park. It appears that the border between the US and Canada is wrong. Look at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.9841lon=-121.743zoom=13layers=M It appears that the boarder sags to the south. I

[Talk-us] OSM US board nominations vote impending

2012-09-17 Per discussione Richard Welty
we are currently reviewing voting procedures with an eye towards finalizing the process and timeline in the next day or two. we anticipate opening nominations as soon as the procedures are published, aiming to hold a vote in conjunction with SOTM US. if you are interested in running and/or

Re: [Talk-us] Consensus on SR for state route versus state abbreviation?

2012-09-12 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 9/12/12 11:05 PM, James Mast wrote: Maybe we should allow NE2 back in here so he can also comment on this. Also, as far as I know, he had nothing to do with any SR tags in California, but I'm not 100% sure. what i recall is that NE2 likes the appearance of bare route numbers and most of

Re: [Talk-us] Consensus on SR for state route versus state abbreviation?

2012-09-12 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 9/12/12 11:24 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: what i recall is that NE2 likes the appearance of bare route numbers and most of his ref tags have no prefix at all (see FL, PA

Re: [Talk-us] Large area of deleted streets in Riverside, Calif.

2012-09-11 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 9/11/12 11:27 AM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: Toby, Yes, it looks really different. Thanks! If you have time, a few blocks further north, around Mission Boulevard, missing streets reappear. Actually the 2012 stuff looks better than earlier unedited TIGER. Maybe they are

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2012 Roads

2012-09-07 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 9/7/12 10:20 PM, AJ Ashton wrote: On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: You may remember my TIGER 2011 rendered tile layer that's based on TIGER shapefiles from late 2011. TIGER recently updated to include data from 2012, Very nice. The 2011 tiles have been an

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2012 Roads

2012-09-04 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 9/4/12 7:10 PM, Ian Dees wrote: Hi all, You may remember my TIGER 2011 rendered tile layer that's based on TIGER shapefiles from late 2011. TIGER recently updated to include data from 2012, so I imported that data and have a new tile layer here:

Re: [Talk-us] Redaction affected ways map

2012-08-04 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 8/4/12 1:26 PM, Mike N wrote: On 8/4/2012 2:27 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: I would like to know if this is useful to anybody, or what I can do to make it more so. Very nice - it makes it easy to find, check, and fix all the roads that were touched. yes, it helped find a number of

Re: [Talk-us] NYC administrative boundaries and Nominatim

2012-07-30 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 7/30/12 5:11 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: On 07/29/2012 11:56 PM, Skye Book wrote: Do we have a source for NYC administrative boundaries? http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/bytes/districtsmetadata.shtml there also should be boundaries in TIGER. most of the problems i've seen with nominatim and

Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways

2012-07-08 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 7/8/12 10:03 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: O I have another such thing local to me - Erie Canal National Heritage Corridor. (Some roads and trails are signed or otherwise identified as belonging to it.) It appears to be designated by National Park Service, rather than DOT. I just checked, though,

Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways

2012-07-08 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 7/8/12 11:00 PM, Toby Murray wrote: Along the same lines, there are various memorial highways all over the place although I'm not sure they really need anything but a name tag in the relation i think you're exactly correct. a relation with the name in a tag is probably sufficient and fits

Re: [Talk-us] Abbreviation expansion - USS to United States Ship?

2012-05-10 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 5/10/12 12:39 PM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 12:33 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Is this a good idea? It looks really odd to me: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/9061339 I agree that it looks odd. Expand Drive perhaps, but expanding all of it looks rather awkward.

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-04-30 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 4/30/12 10:35 PM, Mike N wrote: On 4/30/2012 10:24 PM, Toby Murray wrote: I believe It was stopped after some complaints about it not handling some situations correctly. But I would probably be in favor of trying to complete it. I would agree - there's no point in asserting that we have

Re: [Talk-us] Update on remapping

2012-04-01 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 4/1/12 6:11 PM, David Litke wrote: I am a newbie, wonder why the current license change downtime is affecting data. Does the new license make some existing data illegel and hence they are removing it? Or are they making use of the downtime to do additional QC edits/deletions? illegal is

Re: [Talk-us] suburban superblocks that nobody wants to survey

2012-03-15 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 3/15/12 7:10 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 3/15/2012 6:43 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: On 3/15/2012 4:59 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: lots of driving and all you get is street names, since everything else is single-family houses. And address points How does this work? Do you stop at every

Re: [Talk-us] Route Relations and Special (Bannered) Routes

2012-03-11 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 3/11/12 11:16 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: I'm partial to the idea of separating the banner from the reference number, but I'm not sure how any of these ideas mesh with the understandings of people with more experience with road networks than I have. i like the idea of separating banners out too,

Re: [Talk-us] Remapping is good

2012-01-31 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 1/31/12 4:41 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/31/2012 4:07 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: Blimey - two streets up from Arvia, Asbury Street was incorrectly named in OSM as Ashbury. Just how many typos are there in L.A. Hey - now there's a good idead for

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-14 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 1/13/12 10:49 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: If your own area is clean, please consider helping out in more heavily affected areas. The Capital District of NY is in pretty good shape and i cleaned up the things that were going to be the worst problems already. i know Martijn has a bunch of

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-14 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 1/14/12 1:20 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i know Martijn has a bunch of issues out in the SLC area, so i'm volunteering to take assignments from him to do cleanups out there. Thanks. I'm asking for help on the main

Re: [Talk-us] User adding many Safeway grocery stores, with ref number in name

2012-01-09 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 1/9/12 1:11 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) calvin.metc...@state.ma.us wrote: as there is that brand tag, There's an operator tag. I've not seen brand as a tag. brand is getting used heavily for gas stations, where it makes all kinds of

Re: [OSM-talk] Request for Romano-British features

2012-01-03 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 1/3/12 7:00 AM, talk-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: From: Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk To: OSM Talk talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Request for Romano-British features Message-ID: 4f02da15.1030...@lsces.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

[Talk-us] draft bid criteria for SOTM US 2012

2011-12-08 Per discussione Richard Welty
the draft criteria may be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2012/BIDS/CRITERIA this is only slightly changed from the 2010 criteria. we are not yet soliciting bids, but hope to publish a timeline for the bidding process in the near future. while this is

[Talk-us] Tiger reviewed layer added to itoworld

2011-12-04 Per discussione Richard Welty
ITO World has added a new US-centric layer to their OSM suite, Tiger Reviewed: http://itoworld.blogspot.com/2011/12/new-tiger-reviewed-map-layer-for-ito.html this differs from the MapQuest tiger edited layer in that it divides the roads into three groups: never-edited routes that have

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-02 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 11/2/11 1:49 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 00:02:13 -0400, Richard Welty wrote: i don't know about that, but i certainly think that the current default mapnik rendering for openstreetmap.org is showing us too much addressing detail. i'm not sure what showing the address

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-02 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 11/2/11 6:52 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: It's hardly a quick fix and you know that's not what we are setting out to achieve here. A quick fix would be for me to just take those shapefiles and dump them right into OSM. What we're doing instead here is considering if and how existing sources

Re: [Talk-us] One of the strangest TIGER screwups I've seen

2011-10-23 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 10/23/11 2:07 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/17161384/history Alte Eisenbahn is German for old railway, which is a correct description of the way. why do you think it's a screwup? do you have local knowledge of the situation. richard

Re: [Talk-us] One of the strangest TIGER screwups I've seen

2011-10-23 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 10/23/11 2:45 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 10/23/2011 2:34 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 10/23/11 2:07 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/17161384/history Alte Eisenbahn is German for old railway, which is a correct description of the way. why do you think

Re: [Talk-us] One of the strangest TIGER screwups I've seen

2011-10-23 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 10/23/11 3:02 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 10/23/2011 2:59 PM, Richard Welty wrote: from Mike's comment, the name appears to likely be correct local usage. Mike's link is from Wisconsin; the way is in Connecticut. ok, fine, but you're still making an assumption that may turn out

Re: [Talk-us] Signed shared roadway

2011-10-22 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 10/22/11 8:33 PM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote: This is something that I've been wondering in ma, would on road sign posted routes (there is a sign on a post next to the road) be tagged differently the on road shared use (there is a picture of bicycle in the lane but cars also use it) Sent

Re: [Talk-us] Signed shared roadway

2011-10-22 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 10/22/11 9:17 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i think they should be tagged differently. if there's just a black on yellow sign saying share the road then cyclists should stay to the right. Only if the outside lane is about

Re: [Talk-us] Signed shared roadway

2011-10-22 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 10/22/11 9:59 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: this text may be found in section 1234 on this page: https://www.nysdot.gov/divisions/operating/opdm/local-programs-bureau/repository/bicycle/safety-and-laws/laws.html Hmm, I just

Re: [Talk-us] County borders vs. State borders

2011-10-18 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 10/18/11 5:43 AM, Alexander Roalter wrote: I recently started converting the Iowa and Minnesota county borders from simple ways to correct boundary relations, which means also removing the doubled ways the adjacent areas share. So far, so good, but I encountered some questions: Shouldn't

Re: [Talk-us] US local chapter board election results

2011-10-12 Per discussione Richard Welty
to thank the outgoing members of the board for their service to the community. I would also like to thank all of the candidates for offering to serve for the next year. Richard Welty, was re-elected. Martijn, Randy, Jim and Mike were each elected. You can find the detailed results on the wiki

Re: [Talk-us] US local chapter board election results

2011-10-12 Per discussione Richard Welty
the number works, i'm enjoying hold music. no need for an emergency search for another free conference call service. On 10/12/11 6:13 PM, Richard Welty wrote: i'll be there, although i think i'll call the number at 6:30pm ET tonight to verify that it works. anyone should feel free to join me

Re: [Talk-us] US local chapter board election results

2011-10-12 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 10/12/11 8:26 PM, Ian Dees wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Steven Johnsonsejohns...@gmail.comwrote: Would next Thu (20 Oct) work for an annual meeting/presentation from the outgoing board? That would at least give us a chance to prepare (i.e. gather our wits). I think that'd work

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Crossovers

2011-10-07 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 10/7/11 6:34 AM, Peter Dobratz wrote: I had been tagging them highway=service, but with access=private. that works, although access=emergency is (i think) best. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] OSM US Nominations Open

2011-09-20 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 9/20/11 5:08 PM, Ian Dees wrote: I don't think the OSMF manifesto was mandatory, but I agree: if you are a nominated candidate (or are nominating a candidate) it would be very helpful to see some description of why someone might vote for that person over other candidates listed. i'm

Re: [Talk-us] OSM US Chapter elections and

2011-09-15 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 9/15/11 2:01 PM, Ian Dees wrote: I can answer some (but not all) of your questions, Josh: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Josh Doej...@joshdoe.com wrote: Has the Technical, Education Student Outreach or US Tagging working groups ever met? the US tagging group was my proposal. the

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-22 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 8/22/11 10:53 AM, Brad Neuhauser wrote: I do my best to avoid anything to do with highway relations, but FWIW I recently did just this in Potlatch 2--split a way that's part of relations to add a bridge and totally ignored the relations--and it all worked out fine as far as I can tell:

Re: [Talk-us] Use of ref-tag on state highways

2011-08-20 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 8/20/11 7:52 AM, Peter Dobratz wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Henk Hofftoffeh...@gmail.com wrote: To my understanding our tagging-standard for State Highways is [STATE] [NUMBER] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging#State_Highways I agree that we should

Re: [Talk-us] amenity:fuel and fuel types for the US

2011-08-18 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 8/18/11 10:25 AM, Toby Murray wrote: On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:54 AM, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: So just tag it as fuel:octane_87, fuel:octane_89, etc. Not Sure about the kerosene. fuel:kerosene=yes would seem logical but I'm not sure what the non-taxable use has to do with

Re: [Talk-us] highway=cycleway or highway=path

2011-06-26 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 6/26/11 12:40 AM, Dion Dock wrote: Here's my opinion, and we all know what opinions are worth. :) I can understand why highway=path makes sense from a routing perspective. However, when I look at Mapnik, I want to see the way's intended use. I'm sure there are plenty of counterexamples,

Re: [Talk-us] Grand Junction + TIGER 2010

2011-06-26 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 6/26/11 7:26 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: Thanks Mike, I've just had a bit of a play with this and have it pretty much under control. I've added four or five new roads. The method works well. I guess that I've now got about twenty hours of hard work to bring Grand Junction up to TIGER 2010

Re: [Talk-us] highway=cycleway or highway=path

2011-06-20 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 6/20/11 8:29 PM, PJ Houser wrote: I'm sure this was discussed ad nauseum at some point, so feel free to point me to the correct thread. i would say that consensus was not achieved. i personally favor highway=path and then setting bicycle, foot, etc., to indicate access permissions as

Re: [Talk-us] Registration discounts for OSMF-US members?

2011-06-15 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 6/15/11 9:20 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 6/15/11 8:57 PM, Toby Murray wrote: FYI the early bird sale ends in 5 hours :) then i'll dig up the code and post it here. warning: we will be checking to make sure it's used only by members, so if you're not a member, please don't use it. never

Re: [Talk-us] Registration discounts for OSMF-US members?

2011-06-15 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 6/15/11 8:57 PM, Toby Murray wrote: FYI the early bird sale ends in 5 hours :) then i'll dig up the code and post it here. warning: we will be checking to make sure it's used only by members, so if you're not a member, please don't use it. richard

Re: [Talk-us] Categorizing Stores/Restaurants

2011-06-14 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 6/14/11 10:25 PM, Kristian Zoerhoff wrote: I would think Sears = department store; they called themselves that for many years. I think something like Super Wal-Mart or (here in the Midwest) Meijer is tougher; is it department store, clothing, grocery, or something else? the variety of goods

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Gift Ideas

2011-06-10 Per discussione Richard Welty
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 09:53:59 -0400 Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: We have made and given away mugs[1], pencils and t-Shirts[2], and the last ones have proven to be the most effective way of advertising the project. Even though t-shirts are relatively expensive compared

Re: [Talk-us] NHD conversions to OSM

2011-06-09 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 6/9/11 1:27 PM, Ben Supnik wrote: Based on the threads about broken imports that took place over the last few weeks, it looks like there is still an additional problem: even given pre-converted data, users who want to do a import may get killed when their import fails, leaving a

Re: [Talk-us] shields and overlaps

2011-06-05 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 6/5/11 10:26 AM, Richard Weait wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 9:46 PM, James Mastrickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm also leaning away from distinguishing unposted routes. I don't think they should be in the database. If they are unposted, the could be confusing to a user on the ground

Re: [Talk-us] Unsigned routes (Re: shields and overlaps)

2011-06-04 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 6/5/11 12:15 AM, nat...@nwacg.net wrote: In Arkansas, routes are not unsigned or (except in very rare cases) cosigned. The route ends where it meets a route of higher priority and begins again as a new segment elsewhere. Most Arkansas state highways and some US highways fall victim to this

Re: [OSM-talk] Scholarship program to State of the Map 2011

2011-06-03 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 6/3/11 11:54 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Will the organizers help out in processing the US visas? 2 months is really, really short time to apply and be granted a US visa based on stories I've heard. as Hurricane said, preliminary stuff is done; SOTM is listed on the US

Re: [Talk-us] Who is mapping on the ground in US?

2011-06-03 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 6/3/11 6:27 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 06/02/2011 11:05 AM, Hillsman, Edward wrote: If you set up a group on meetup.com you'd be surprised how many people join and start to get interested once you have a group meeting monthly. There is a fee to set up a group on Meetup. Does

Re: [Talk-us] Using OSM for emergency routing?

2011-06-03 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 6/3/11 8:51 PM, Anthony wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Ian Deesian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone used OSM for emergency routing with squad cars or ambulances? Sounds like a really terrible idea. Are there any existing tags to specify emergency-only roads? access=no

Re: [Talk-us] Who is mapping on the ground in US?

2011-06-02 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 6/2/11 1:19 PM, Steve Coast wrote: Well.. it's chicken and egg. There wasn't anyone interested in the UK when I ran the first mapping parties there either. If you set up a group on meetup.com you'd be surprised how many people join and start to get interested once you have a group

Re: [Talk-us] Using OSM for emergency routing?

2011-06-02 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 6/2/11 10:17 PM, Ian Dees wrote: Hi all, Has anyone used OSM for emergency routing with squad cars or ambulances? I've found someone on reddit who is interested in loading their Garmin with routable data so they can more-quickly get to their destination. Apparently their jurisdiction doesn't

[Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Per discussione Richard Welty
i'm deliberately not quoting or responding here in order to break out of the current, somewhat circular discussion. the trunk classification does two things: 1) it influences rendering engines 2) it influences routing we all are familiar with what impact 1 has, but i think a lot of folks are

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 5/29/11 11:37 AM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: in short: a routing engine will probably use classifications where maxspeed data is missing, but probably only to derive guesstimates of maxspeed values. Now that I think about it,

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 5/29/11 11:59 AM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 5/29/11 11:37 AM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: in short: a routing engine will probably use classifications

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-28 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 5/28/11 10:40 AM, Mike N wrote: On 5/28/2011 9:12 AM, Anthony wrote: Trunk has no meaning beyond color the road the same color as other things that are tagged trunk. Even color is not defined - some trunks can be toll / not toll. However, trunk *could* serve as a router hint that the

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-27 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 5/27/11 12:00 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: On 05/27/2011 09:06 AM, Richard Welty wrote: if you peruse the wiki, and make a reasonably through search for definitions of trunk in the US, you will find an extensive complex of contradictions and inconsistencies. Maybe someone should find all

[Talk-us] New York: Albany Mappy Hour (6/11/2011)

2011-05-17 Per discussione Richard Welty
I'm putting together a Mappy hour for Capital District mappers on Tuesday June 11th, probably around 7pm, venue TBD (I'm aiming for a place that's kind of central.) if you're in the area, please mark your calendars and watch for further announcements. there's a capital district meetup group

Re: [Talk-us] note to abbreviation bot authors

2011-05-16 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 5/16/11 11:10 AM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 16 May 2011 06:09, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i recently spent some quality time doing tiger review in a community that has a rather straightforward naming system for its avenues. it starts with A Avenue to the south and steps

Re: [Talk-us] note to abbreviation bot authors

2011-05-16 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 5/16/11 1:16 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 16 May 2011 17:56, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 5/16/11 11:10 AM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 16 May 2011 06:09, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.netwrote: i recently spent some quality time doing tiger review in a

[Talk-us] note to abbreviation bot authors

2011-05-15 Per discussione Richard Welty
i recently spent some quality time doing tiger review in a community that has a rather straightforward naming system for its avenues. it starts with A Avenue to the south and steps through the alphabet as the avenues appear to the north. a de-abbreviation bot had been run on the area. it should

Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 81, Issue 10

2011-05-03 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 5/3/11 7:00 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Jaak Laineste jaak.laineste at gmail.com writes: Is there good reason to add addr:country, addr:county, addr:city and other regional tags to all the address tags, if OSM database already has administrative regions for given area? I don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Skip geographical (redundant) address tags

2011-05-03 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 3 May 2011 15:03:07 +0200, M?rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I know. In your case (just one house) the relation indeed seems to be far less adequate in respect to simple tags. Relations add a complexity that is mostly not desirable IMHO for cases like housenumbers. The

Re: [Talk-us] Another day, another bad import

2011-05-01 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 5/1/11 2:35 PM, Toby Murray wrote: On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Richard Weaitrich...@weait.com wrote: On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Alan Millargrunthos...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah... Every time I go editing in some new place, I always find another reason to hate newbies, too. I think

[OSM-talk] New Logo

2011-04-30 Per discussione Richard Welty
given that we have a new logo, is it possible to get more size options uploaded to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logo i'm working on a presentation, and it'd be nice to put the new logo on the title page, but 120x120 is a bit small. thanks, richard

Re: [Talk-us] updated critical address file for US - 25 April 2011

2011-04-25 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 4/25/11 7:03 PM, Mike N wrote: On 4/25/2011 6:45 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: Please don't import these without verifying against your own local knowledge or other sources. Experience is that they are poorly geo-referenced and/or have other problems In fact I treat them as individual bug

[OSM-talk] question for folks working on routing engines

2011-04-15 Per discussione Richard Welty
this occurred to me while surveying speed limits in a somewhat rural part of the US. are any of the routing engines looking at the surface tag as part of their decision making? i ask this because in NY, the default speed limit in rural areas is 55 on all roads. there are numerous unpaved roads

Re: [OSM-talk] question for folks working on routing engines

2011-04-15 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 4/15/11 10:53 AM, Nic Roets wrote: Hello Richard, Gosmore looks at maxspeed and tracktype. I did not use surface, because I am under the impression that it is possible to drive fast on properly maintained dirt roads in dryer regions. interesting. i haven't been setting tracktype because

Re: [OSM-talk] question for folks working on routing engines

2011-04-15 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 4/15/11 11:30 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/4/15 Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net: i ask this because in NY, the default speed limit in rural areas is 55 on all roads. highway=unclassified name=Mead Road maxspeed=55 mph surface=dirt I suggest you also add

Re: [OSM-talk] question for folks working on routing engines

2011-04-15 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 4/15/11 11:16 PM, John Smith wrote: On 16 April 2011 00:36, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i ask this because in NY, the default speed limit in rural areas is 55 on all roads. there are numerous unpaved roads (dirt, gravel) which do not have posted speed limits, but where

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-13 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 4/13/11 10:44 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 04/10/2011 06:25 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-04-10 14:00, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: What's the consensus for county roads in the US? I don't know what the consensus is. County roads in California are of the form [A-Z][0-9][0-9]. I tag Orange

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-13 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 4/13/11 4:18 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:56:51AM -0400, Richard Welty wrote: ways vs. relations. we need the identifier on ways because of the data consumers that expect to render directly. for relations, we should in theory be only including the actual

Re: [Talk-us] School bus routes?

2011-04-12 Per discussione Richard Welty
one of the tags would need to be the dates for which the routes are known to be good. for many districts, this would be a single year. On 4/12/11 6:04 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Well, it would be useful to have this information available in the database, as long as it is kept up-to-date.

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-11 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 4/11/11 1:47 PM, Phil! Gold wrote: * Nathan Millsnat...@nwacg.net [2011-04-10 19:22 -0500]: On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:14:18 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: How about simply network=US:CA:CR? That's all well and good for California, but what about states like Arkansas (and Florida, IIRC) where

Re: [Talk-us] County road network relations

2011-04-10 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 4/10/11 5:00 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: Would it be: Big Timber Road. network=us_il_kane this is a reasonable network tag for the ways. I don't want ref tags on these, as the shields will quickly get too cluttered in Mapnik. that must be a lot of county roads, i haven't perceived a

Re: [Talk-us] note to folks doing mapping based on aerial imagery

2011-04-10 Per discussione Richard Welty
On 4/10/11 7:10 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-04-10 15:39, Richard Welty wrote: i have comment tags on the relevant ways now, but i'm going to change comment to README to make it more obvious. Hmmm. I've been using http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:note for such comments. Any idea

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