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consensus or de facto approved) bicycle (route)
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, and will be a crippling body
blow to the project at worst. Perhaps one from which the project
will not fully recover.
Nobody asked me to say it, but I'm asking for three more months. We
can complete needed tasks by then.
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James: First of all, I am not undecided, I accepted the newer CT
about a year ago, and have seriously contributed thousands of
improvements to OSM since 2009. Check
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/stevea if you need proof. Second
of all, I am in a state called California, I have never been
. OSM continues.
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public cut as broadcast to the talk-us pages.
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gravitystorm (dot) co (dot) uk.
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only a couple/few days of dedicated effort by a/some skilled
OSMer(s).
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work! (Oops, I mean the fun of OSM).
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making this mistake. Thank you for
calling this to our attention.
This makes what is simply tedious border on the realm of utterly
overwhelming.
EVERY SINGLE POINT? Ugh! (Why does so much have to be difficult?)
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), but
it is overkill (unless points are also tainted). Duplication +
visual inspection via Bing seems sufficient to me, but it would be
really, really good to get the redaction squad to directly address
that point. Right here (talk-us) would be just fine. OSM's wiki
would, too.
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of (rather wholesale)
reverts of a contributor who has not agreed to the CT? Are we OK
with that? Apologies if this is already clearly stated somewhere.
But if so, I haven't seen it and it is high time we freshen up
how/where we are about this.
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this, somebody else does).
I have confidence we can get there, Charlotte and I seem to have an
odd knack for stirring up better questions with answers/approaches
that get us closer. Great thread!
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Terrific project, this here OSM.
Cutting to the chase and finish line,
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On 6/5/2012 3:42 PM, Mike N wrote:
On 6/5/2012 2:56 PM, stevea wrote:
But socially, or more properly stated, in the context of reaching OSM
consensus, what does our community think of (rather wholesale) reverts
of a contributor who has not agreed to the CT? Are we OK
subordinate to? --
doesn't seem correct...) with an admin_level of 9.
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and federal reasons,
effectively bypassing state-level government. Do we want to assign
MPOs an admin_level tag in OSM? (I'm guessing no, but I feel the
need to offer due diligence that at least this question was asked).
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as we commonly experience them.
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This and many other annoying addressing schemes used to be common, but
I thought the enhanced 911 system did away with this sort of thing. I
did a quick google search and I can't find any address for that school
though.
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10
catch, John. (And nice to meet you in Sunnyvale last month).
It's also a good thing the wider community has many, many eyes.
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I'm asking for additional eyes
on http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14828923http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14828923
as well
to
make the case that we need somebody like him as an example of what to
do with difficult contributors. I think it is unanimous that he is
that, at least.
I wouldn't miss him if he were gone, either.
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He's banned from (at least) this list. Consequently, you cannot expect
him
and different tags),
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the US being assigned an admin_level of 1, 3 or some other value. Or
even something else we may agree to do.
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On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:18 PM, stevea
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In other words, New York is just
for your feedback,
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at edge latitudes where the transformation may
be more problematic.
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them.
Thanks for the suggestion, you were not the first (big thanks to
j03lar50n, who also suggested the link to the original USFS data,
just published barely two weeks ago).
Great discussion so far. It is amazing what just a handful of
collaborators can make happen in OSM!
SteveA
could send me for the .shp you're looking at?
Yes, it is http://fsgeodata.fs.fed.us/vector/lsrs.php and I chose
Wilderness under Shapefile format then unzipped this to get the
23 MB of shapefile data.
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wilderness areas (and other national treasures it can be valuable to
have in OSM, such as wild and scenic rivers) are suitable candidates
for importation and upload?
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getting better, but not yet quite done.
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It;s quite possible I could reproject the data for you in one fell
swoop using any of a number of GIS tools at my disposal. JOSM most
likely relies on the reprojection transformations in proj4 which is
based on parameters in
the http
like that, that works. Ian and Paul
have stepped right up. Anyone else?
Yes, it could become a model project for other nations/communities,
too: very OSM.
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occurring. I
now move on to Angeles, Cleveland and San Bernardino National Forests
(and their wilderness area subsets), then I intend to complete Region
5's eastern and northern National Forests: 1 down, 3 to do now, 15
more to go: whew!
Cheers,
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) that different levels of government own and
administer (parks). If we stick to those basic tenets, I think we
can do this.
The new thread begins. Let's discuss.
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tagging
examples which allow mapnik a distinction between crusty edge and
gooey filling.
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interesting, consensus-reached and beautiful renderings which
visually convey a lot more than is conveyed today?
Terrific thread so far!
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hierarchy/nomenclature, and
these paths really do exist. Let's try to keep them straight.
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on a
national level. All that is needed is some wider/continuing sensible
discussion of how we intend to and actually use the map and its
ingredients.
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? should be sufficient to (properly) shoo them away.
Live not in fear or being cowed into begging permission, but in being
properly educated. The TSA are our employees, not our masters.
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hierarchy. If some de-tangling
might posit a better, richer set of semantics, let that discussion
live in the future when reasons and ideas are forthcoming and answers
can emerge and flourish.
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James Umbanhowar jumba...@gmail.com writes:
The question is what network
your science is sticking to the wall a bit, at
least from here. Further refinements of this proposal, ways to
harmonize it with existing schemes, renderer-writing folk: anybody
else want to chime in?
SteveA
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I have to wonder if we're not running into UKisms that don't apply
: as described above, natural=wood
and landuse=forest are quite mutually exclusive.
SteveA
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(who recently uploaded the southern California national forests, with
careful tagging and discussion both here and in the first wiki page
mentioned above before doing so)
I am relatively
at the same time?
Scrub, I believe, but this is only what I think happens in mapnik.
Other renderers may (and can, and maybe even should) do something
different.
Thanks
You are welcome!
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. It doesn't: it implies all managed forest, whether with or
without trees.
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? OF COURSE!
But we are only in the early stages of getting there. Let's not
dismantle established semantics while we do so.
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Niskayuna CDP (to be sure: distinct from the town), you could add a
node with name=Niskayuna CDP and place=[hamlet, village, town] as
appropriate.
I hope this all helps.
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i'm planning to delete a misleading CDP in the near future, i'm pondering
the fact that from time to time we
seem to be getting slower results. But our
results are very good, even excellent in some cases. Yet, per this
thread, we really can do better.
Good thread!
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I'm working on a presentation and interested to hear your thoughts.
What are the top 2-3 changes that could improve
, rinse, repeat. Talking
about Better can, even should result in Better. I'll close by saying
it again: good of you to urge along the conversation in this thread.
ramble--;
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properly reflect the semantics you believe ACA (and
perhaps AASHTO) mean to convey in the map.
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Pedestrian/walk bike (dismount), Z = planned, not yet implemented or
actual infrastructure, N, S, E, W are direction-restricted traffic
segments, A, B, C, D...= Alternate or segmented routes.
Take a look! http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37layers=Clon=-122zoom=12
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, in OSM.
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On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:03 AM, KerryIrons
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You really are making this personal Paul, but I don't understand why.
That's not the intent.
I only asked that those who might want to help clean up
this: you won't get local knowledge,
you're just crowd-sourcing what effectively
becomes an import among many, and they don't
really know whether the data are high quality or
not.
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Great work that you've done in your area with the neighborhood classification.
I would just caution that deriving Neighborhood boundaries solely
from the governments could be problematic because they don't
represent the other stakeholders (mentioned earlier) and in the case
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have a pointer or examples? Thanks.
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right.
Making mistakes on a smaller scale is how some of us learn, making
mistakes on a larger scale, while we can tolerate some of, should be
prevented if it can be.
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(or vice versa), so I continue to
believe using both is OK.
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On 2013-06-15 6:51 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 6:35 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote:
For the former, I don't need a painted line on the ground, just what the
City GIS department publishes on the open Internet, after these
lines/polygons/neighborhood
and with multiple renderings, delivers.
Nice cloud we have here, OSM!
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true. Fiddling
the data AND fiddling the algorithms that consume them are the more
complete solution. Richard has hit the bulls-eye: it's both. As a
corollary, for best results to be expected, both must be different in
different parts of the world, that's just the way the world is.
SteveA
Oh, that is rich: NE2 saying that somebody ELSE has a history of
gun-jumping Wow, the mote in one's eye!
SteveA
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I'll let his comments here[1] on a note page speak.
- James
[1] -
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/note/3173http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/note
, there is still so very much more to do!
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tedious and lengthy, but I believe it can be done.
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In the most sincere way: apology accepted. I truly will be quite
careful to follow these (and all talk-us) guidelines in the future to
avoid misunderstandings.
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SteveA, I apologize for jumping on your post so quickly. I was
frustrated that you posted an off-topic comment
there.
We're all grown ups here.
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in the community who give back
so much. It's the same thing: shared wisdom.
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Bryce Nesbitt writes:
3) A first edit could go in a queue for an experienced mapper to
look at and comment on. Hopefully that comment is great job,
welcome to the community
: Is there an online (audio/video) venue which
has less onerous Terms of Service than Google's? A way to
technologically solve a delightfully impromptu meeting like this
without using a corporate host that insists upon taking from us
everything we discuss within its digital domain?
SteveA
out!
Just (re-) throwing it out there,
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For those interested in highway shields:
Phil, Ian and myself put some more time in on getting shields
working on the OSM-US server last week. We actually got things
mostly working but did run into a brick wall. Unfortunately
OSM
data, it is the dawn of a new day for nationwide bicycle routing in
the USA!
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USBR routes) should allow OpenCycleMap and
waymarkedtrails.org renderings to track, update and properly display
the USA's nascent nationwide bicycle network.
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standards, but OSM doesn't
claim to adhere to them.
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http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dridgehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dridge
seems to suggest that the appropriate way to tag a ridge is as a
way. Any thoughts on this? I'm looking at 100
, then start talking about asking more of us in the direction of
privacy-invading demographic information.
This knowing everything about everybody has gone too far. You
don't know about padeshahekhoban? Neither do I. And I really don't
care to: I'm busy mapping.
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OSM
opt
in and some opt out? Um, please don't answer that (but do ponder
it), as the question is essentially rhetorical.
Good discussion (and thank you to those who have responded to me
off-list, as well),
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created and uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and linking the images to
the templates that the slippy map would likely use.
This is a ridiculously well-written how-to guide. Thank you kindly,
and nice job, Minh!
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for paper maps and street signs, of
course. Be careful at night! (Oh, the nights!)
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Well, this newsletter/blog entry by Adventure Cycling Association is
pretty cool:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_in_the_media#September
(points to)
http://www.adventurecycling.org/resources/blog/openstreetmap-the-web-based-mapping-project
Not shy to toot OSM's horn,
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decisions
affirming, and armed with this knowledge, ask away. Happy mapping!
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On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Elliott Plack
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Greetings OpenStreetMappers,
I am very excited to announce that my organization, Baltimore County
Government Office
request them under the law, then as you have
the legal right to do so, use them as you see fit. After all, the
data are yours (at least in my state, how about yours?)
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the data might or
should find their way into OSM. That is an
entirely different thread! (One which has been
addressed many times and in many ways regarding
imports).
I hope this helps,
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might be a well-identified idea.
Discussing and paying attention to counties-at-a-time can shake a
little order into things where now it seems a bit lumpy and chaotic.
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(yes, we have some work to do here!)
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, really, but there it is),
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That ITO map seems to be only looking at ways. If you include
relations in the analysis things should actually be pretty good.
There should be a (mostly) correct boundary relation for every
county in the US. At one point I was the last user to have
. That seems long-term wise given that
there will likely be both types of intersections entered into the
underlying data.
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data not all they can be
(i.e. well-formed and as correct as we are able to observe and enter
them).
I seem to be echoing what Minh said near the end of his reply:
handle both. (or more).
Good discussion.
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what is. Nice job so far, everybody. I very much like this
crowd-sourced map. It only keeps getting better and better.
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in the middle: I like it! Good conversation.
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might be editable by our standard tools, and the API should stay the
same. We might need to be a bit more flexible on that last point,
I'm not sure. But is that a good goal to continue to discuss as what
we (roughly) want to address this issue?
Thank you,
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On 11/5/13 6:59 PM, stevea wrote:
I don't mean to pour water on what is a sizzling and robust
conversation -- quite the opposite. But as a computer scientist, I
don't see how putting (moving, creating anew...) borders (and WHAT
other objects -- we likely need to be careful in our design
of decision-making belongs, not by making data changes that are
more convenient for it.
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Concomitantly, routing algorithms can and should pay attention to
said tagging scheme.
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On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:49 AM, stevea
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A very big +1 to this. Posing a challenge to the construction of
an accurate
everything: using things (tags)
smartly and documenting and gaining consensus and making it smarter
as we go (while getting intelligent feedback in a loop while growing
better and smarter ad infinitum)... simply IS our OSM and how it
works. On a good day.
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On Sun, Nov 10
routes are totally charged with electric
lightning right now. New routes seed, grow and visually feed back.
This is truly a wide (national, statewide, locally) visual
conversation done partly geographically. So far, so good. Useful
map we have here!
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When you find a suspicious edit, try to be part of the solution,
What a really well-written post. Thank you, Richard!
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, nearly 10,000 square kilometers,
this was no small task! OK, MoCo is far from
done, but it is MUCH better than it was a year
ago.
Yes, we have a big country, but one road, café,
bike route and restroom at a time, OSM builds it
nicely.
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-surprisingly-hard/
It, and the associated blog posts, make for enlightening reading
before beginning a similar endeavor, even though OSM tools mentioned
may not be exactly the same.
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I'm working with a Chicago organization called CUTGroup [0] to set up a user
testing event
actually
there, but there are arguments to be made for why we might want to
keep historical sites in OSM, even without there being something
there -- if it is tagged as such.
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I'm doing a bit of mapping south of Monterey based on some notes
I've taken two months ago, and I've
intention. OSM doesn't work when it is
considered a solo map, so we must listen. Consensus is essential,
though only occasionally easy.
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might make a difference. Where does it make a difference? OSM can
be a deep place sometimes.
A lot of the conversations here are an attempt at agreement among
structure and tagging. Good for us.
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them (though it's not
impossible to do this here).
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On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 1:21 AM, stevea
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A sidelong topic to separate relations.
Volker and I just shared some email about how he uses JOSM
automation
point others to the data
you have found and ask them to do an import. But again, I welcome
you to enter the data into OSM and enjoy the results!
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(1) California Government Code, section 6250 et seq
(2) County of Santa Clara vs. California First Amendment Coalition,
Court
the semantics of the multiple-polygon nature of such single entities
as a city with multiple exclaves like this. However, it is crucial
to apply correct syntax of proper tags on the multipolygon relation,
as well as roles on the member polygons.
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