Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

grid, then long sections, with variable physical characteristics, will be classified the same. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

. Use the surface tag. Using multiple tags to describe a way, instead of simply the highway tag, lets you describe more details. In turn, renderers should look at more than just the highway tag. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly

Re: [Talk-us] Women trust GPS, drive SUV into Lake

would put the blame on the driver. What is physically present trumps what a map or GPS shows, every time. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Crossovers

sections of roadway, and thus no reason to for a router to avoid the crossover. Use the layer tag on both ways to indicate that it isn't a grade-level intersection. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Crossovers

. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Crossovers

is permitted for emergency vehicles, and would seem to ideally fit this situation. Admittedly, it is documented only if you search for the word emergency, rather than on the page for the access tag. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly

Re: [Talk-us] FYI - user Justinb in western GA

in the last 4 months) the northbound lane is out of the water by a foot or less..but then if you're even slightly familiar with imagery/photography you can see it's not. It sounds like the proposed causeway tag would be the best way to mark this section of road. -- John F. Eldredge

Re: [Talk-us] FYI - user Justinb in western GA

Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/8/2011 9:49 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: It sounds like the proposed causeway tag would be the best way to mark this section of road. What's wrong with embankment=yes? That would also work, although causeway implies that the roadway

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Crossovers

Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 9:40 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: The access=emergency tag is documented in the wiki as meaning that access is permitted for emergency vehicles, and would seem to ideally fit this situation. Where is it in the wiki

Re: [Talk-us] One of the strangest TIGER screwups I've seen

. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

ranges within blocks, sounds like a good idea to me. Some cities, such as Louisville, KY, put address ranges on street signs, which would make gathering such information easy in those cities. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly

Re: [Talk-us] Editing Party In Chattanooga December 4th 2011

to traffic. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Splitting a way may completely hide a taint

before we start the process of minimizing damage. Policies should be discussed on legal-talk. Why? They have nothing to do with legal considerations. Legal cosiderations may be part of why a policy is chosen, although there may well be other considerations as well. -- John F. Eldredge -- j

Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.

the US (ie a stylized bicycle + rider with an arrow point in the direction of bike traffic flow on top). I can't say whether they are the same all over the USA, but what you described matches what is used here in Tennessee. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think

Re: [Talk-us] Remapping is good

Maps the other day where, if you searched for a certain street address, it would point you to a location that was on the correct street, but a couple of miles from the correct location. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better

Re: [Talk-us] Remapping tips

street in LA cleaned by April Fools without losing any correct information. So, you are implying that nothing further can be done after April 1st? If the remapping can't be completed by then, OSM is doomed? I agree that you are being overly pessimistic. -- John F. Eldredge -- j

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Finding untagged dead-ends

starting point. Some of these dead-end roads have turning circles at their end, some don't. As far as I know, most don't have a noexit=yes tag. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

that people don't use the prefix at all when referring to the street, or does he mean that people use the abbreviated form of the prefix, rather than the spelled-out prefix? The statement could be interpreted either way. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even

Re: [Talk-us] Network tag Re: Highway Shield Rendering

a separate U.S. Highway Business network. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Excellent progress, u.s.

will have been in the proper locations to match the real world. So, in order to make the cleanup bot not consider the nodes to be tainted, we have to knowingly make the map data less accurate than it had formerly been. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even

Re: [Talk-us] Excellent progress, u.s.

andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 April 2012 03:30, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: One drawback to this new-coordinate technique is that, in some cases, the tainted nodes will have been in the proper locations to match the real world.  So, in order to make

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

a batch global update? This has been discussed, and tried, before. Unfortunately, some abbreviations can stand for more than one thing, and it takes local knowledge to be sure what is the right choice. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think

Re: [Talk-us] US-Canadian border

between two political entities is spelled border. A boarder is someone who lives in a boarding-house (where meals are included along with lodging). -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia

Re: [Talk-us] Schizophrenic highway

together to complete the ring kept their original names, meaning that the name changes every two or three miles. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria

Re: [Talk-us] Scrubbing route relations

. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS building conversion

___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us If the maps are considered public domain, then why is there a copyright notice? -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute FHP

the combination of a local mapper, and, if necessary, checking with the government department regulating such matters, as was done in this case, is better than the method you proposed. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging Live indoor music venues

have live music on at least some evenings during the week. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Airport Tagging

preparing for an attack on the airport. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for it is better to think wrongly than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundary level quirk in NYC

. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

One thing that would help in the editor software would be, once you select a tag, and list the preset values available, to have the option to list the wiki descriptions of what those values mean. This should be optional, and should come up in a separate window so you don't lose track of what

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

I agree with you. Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 6/7/13 8:44 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: If we're going for accuracy, corridor proposals should be mapped as a polygon. They are area features which may someday become linear. That said, I don't think that such early proposals belong

Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow

there, would that be feasible? cheers, Martin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly

Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow

. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think

Re: [Talk-us] Parking rendering

-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow

. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports-us] Releasing my data into Public Domain

/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Talk-us] Cemeteries in OSM?

? Some other type of hardware? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than

Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr

Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

Sorry, that was supposed to say imagining, not imaging. John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Does anyone else besides me keep imaging Pavel Chekov (from original-series Star Trek) announcing shields are up with a heavy Russian accent? Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote

Re: [Talk-us] Complex intersection mapping

___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us I agree that the second version is much better. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate

Re: [Talk-us] Freeway directions

://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Another example would be Interstate 24. It nominally runs East/West, but the actual alignment is Southeast/Northwest. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love

Re: [Talk-us] Public Labs/balloon mapping?

as to calculate the perspective. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Railroads and Railroads (Historic)

such as railway=inactive for routes that are not in use, but still have the rails in place. The only problem is that, if someone erroneously tags an active but little-used route as inactive, this could lead to an accident if someone went hiking or rail-biking on the route. -- John F. Eldredge

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

of a divided highway. You also have compass-point letters used to distinguish between branches of the same route. For example, US 31 runs north/south. A portion of it branches off as US 31W, which runs roughly parallel, some miles westward of US 31, and eventually merges back into it. -- John F

Re: [Talk-us] Tags to use for chain stores in the United States

of merchandise sold is food. The big-box stores typically sell some food, but the majority of the merchandise is not food. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr

Re: [Talk-us] Merging a GNIS node with a TIGER way - for a town

containing it. A city in Virginia, by contrast, has a local government on the same level as a county government, and is not considered to be part of the county even if it is completely surrounded by the county. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light

Re: [Talk-us] historic schools (amenity=school; name= * (historical)

list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out

Re: [Talk-us] Sidewalks as footpaths

, and not a way of its own. There is not a wonderful solution for how do map pedestrian routing when it differs from road-associated routing. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Dr

Re: [Talk-us] Nominatim in CDP

___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate

Re: [Talk-us] Nominatim in CDP

___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate

Re: [Talk-us] Nominatim in CDP

Yes, but one postal city commonly contains multiple postal codes, so storing the postal city in the postal code tag represents a loss of detail. On J,une 26, 2014 2:33:12 PM CDT, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 6/26/14 3:20 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: Postal code usually means

Re: [Talk-us] routing tags used by actual routing applications

-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge

Re: [Talk-us] New I.D Feature

A given Zip Code can potentially be in more than one US state, since they are based on delivery routes. On November 6, 2014 10:32:19 PM CST, Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.com wrote: On Fri, 2014-11-07 at 04:17 +, Elliott Plack wrote: Before the state showed up in iD, I had assumed

Re: [Talk-us] Can we get this user band?

___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. -- Dr. Martin Luther King

Re: [Talk-us] Can we get this user band?

Rate-limiting sounds like a good idea. On November 14, 2014 9:56:55 AM CST, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 11/14/14 10:34 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: Could someone who knows Chinese check the content of the diary entries? By the way, I assume you mean banned (blocked

Re: [Talk-us] Directional suffixes on roads: yes or no?

in the name= tag and the unsuffixed one in the short_name= tag, but I'm wondering if I should continue to bother. -jack -- Typos courtesy of fancy auto-spell technology. An additional complication is ring-roads, which are likely to have XXX North transition into XXX East, etc. -- John F

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's

___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Sounds like a good idea to me. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's

other scenarios, such as suites in an office building. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. -- Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

By contrast, I am not aware of any Interstate highways in the southeast USA that allow bicycles. From my experience, every entrance ramp has signs forbidding non-motorized traffic and mopeds. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do

Re: [Talk-us] Wählen / Voting - Sanitary Dump Station

to the general public, plus dump stations open to their members, while not showing dump stations open only to members of competing organizations? -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

autonomy. Growth of Nashville means that only road signs show that you have crossed over into these municipalities, but they maintain their own police forces. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

I will have to look into the details to say for sure. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. On March 17, 2015 4:29:34 PM Paul Johnson ba

Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses

the number. http://familycircus.com/comics/april-5-2015/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F

Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses

___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. -- Martin

Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses

John F. Eldredge: That depends, in part, on how long you want to stand there pecking away at your device, and how suspicious folks are likely to become if you stand in front of each building for up to several minutes before moving on. On April 13, 2015 4:02:24 AM CDT, Simon Poole si

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. -- Martin Luther King, Jr

Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world

://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.___ Talk-us mailing list Talk

Re: [Talk-us] Timezones in USA?

Note that "usually state lines" isn't the same thing as "always state lines". The Central Time Zone/Eastern Time Zone boundary runs through the middle of both Tennessee and Kentucky, and the lines aren't straight. They zig-zag according to which time zone the local politicians wanted. On

Re: [Talk-us] Combined parking/bike lanes

One thing that is an issue with many of the marked bike lanes in Nashville, TN is that they aren't contiguous. You will come to a point where the road narrows, such as for a bridge, and the bikes are forced to share a lane with motor traffic. This makes bike riding at rush hour a risky

Re: [Talk-us] possible upgrade for residential roads in Detroit

I don't know about Detroit, but in Nashville, TN, where I live, street suffixes don't necessarily reflect their importance. My parents lived for decades on Parthenon Avenue, a very minor residential street. On August 16, 2017 10:08:44 AM "Ionut Radu - (p)" wrote: Hi

Re: [Talk-us] SEO Damage to OSM

The "mechanical Turk" term is not an ethnic slur, but instead an allusion to a famous 18th-century chess-playing automaton, made to resemble the upper body of a man in traditional Turkish clothing, mounted on a cabinet. It was eventually revealed to be a fake automaton, operated by a man hidden

Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing 2

n opposite directions may try to use it simultaneously, resulting in a head-on collision. -- John F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge com On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 6:18 AM Horea Meleg <horea.me...@telenav.com> wrote: Hello all, Me and my Telenav colleagues are editing lane numbers in Detroit area

Re: [Talk-us] dubious church node

a question to a Facebook group that discusses local history, and see if anyone can tell me if there was ever a church there. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Dr. Ma

Re: [Talk-us] dubious church node

On 9/29/2017 9:59 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: On 9/29/2017 8:31 PM, Max Erickson wrote: Yeah, a Google search for "Mill Creek Church nashville" has http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nashvillearchives/millcreek.html as an early result. It says the church buildin

[Talk-us] dubious church node

There are no signs indicating that any congregation meets there; the warehouse appears to be in active commercial use. Should I remove this node? -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hat