Re: email not reading

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Carol,  I am not sure what to say about your comment regarding a 
possible problem with your video.  However, realizing that WE is no 
longer a viable product,I'll offer a possible suggestion.  I am 
currently running WE 95.4 on a win 10 system and use TB all the time.  
Not sure what version of TB I have.  On occasions,  I had something 
similar to what you are describing.  What I found was that when TB 
started, WE failed to load the TB setfile.  So, if your system is still 
running and you can get into TB, press control backslash to get to the 
we control panel and if WE doesn't announce the setfile, press shift-T 
and it should say which setfile is loaded.  At that point if it is not 
the TB setfile, simply press escape to go back to TB and then the TB 
sefile will become active.  Hope this helps.  Bernie


On 10/23/2021 9:53 PM, Carol Smith via Talk wrote:

Hi Thomas,

My email is thunderbird.  It has always worked on my win10 computer 
until the other day.  As I stated, sometimes, I can use the 
ctrl-shift-w command and the portion of the screen that is visible 
will, but I can not read any further.  Also, If I find a link, I can 
click on it, but there is no speech saying what the link is for.  I 
have a feeling that the problem has something to do with the video 
output as I heard the pc say something about making changes to the 
video and it shut down.  I have not been prompted with any other otice.


Carol


On 10/22/2021 7:14 PM, Thomas Chan via Talk wrote:

Was it an email client or a web browser?

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


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Hi,

Recently, Microsoft thought I needed an update to my system so it
performed the update while I was asleep.  Mostly, things are running
correctly, but I am now having difficulty reading my email messages.
The title, who it was sent from and anything outside the editing 
area no

longer read.  Sometimes, I have been able to read with the ctrl-shift-w
command, but if the message is more than one aswreen, I can't get the
rest to read.  Does anyone have any ideas?  I would surely accept any
ideas.

Thank you,

Carol

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Re: email not reading

[Thomas Chan via Talk]

Well, it's all about the browse mode not kicking in or something broken for
it to run properly.

to be honest, i have this similar issue with my thunderbird on my old
laptop running windows 7, it just freezes my computer when browse mode
tries to load in thunderbird.

I can't ask GW Micro to fix it when they are no longer around. What I do
nowadays on my old laptop is to read email online when it's working fine in
brave or chrome.

I wish I can provide you a solutions for your problem.

The only thing i can suggest is to turn off all the apps in window-eyes and
see if that works or not.
Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 09:53, Carol Smith via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi Thomas,
>
> My email is thunderbird.  It has always worked on my win10 computer
> until the other day.  As I stated, sometimes, I can use the ctrl-shift-w
> command and the portion of the screen that is visible will, but I can
> not read any further.  Also, If I find a link, I can click on it, but
> there is no speech saying what the link is for.  I have a feeling that
> the problem has something to do with the video output as I heard the pc
> say something about making changes to the video and it shut down.  I
> have not been prompted with any other otice.
>
> Carol
>
>
> On 10/22/2021 7:14 PM, Thomas Chan via Talk wrote:
> > Was it an email client or a web browser?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Thomas N. Chan
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 08:22, Carol Smith via Talk <
> > talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Recently, Microsoft thought I needed an update to my system so it
> >> performed the update while I was asleep.  Mostly, things are running
> >> correctly, but I am now having difficulty reading my email messages.
> >> The title, who it was sent from and anything outside the editing area no
> >> longer read.  Sometimes, I have been able to read with the ctrl-shift-w
> >> command, but if the message is more than one aswreen, I can't get the
> >> rest to read.  Does anyone have any ideas?  I would surely accept any
> >> ideas.
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >>
> >> Carol
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Re: email not reading

[Carol Smith via Talk]

Hi Thomas,

My email is thunderbird.  It has always worked on my win10 computer 
until the other day.  As I stated, sometimes, I can use the ctrl-shift-w 
command and the portion of the screen that is visible will, but I can 
not read any further.  Also, If I find a link, I can click on it, but 
there is no speech saying what the link is for.  I have a feeling that 
the problem has something to do with the video output as I heard the pc 
say something about making changes to the video and it shut down.  I 
have not been prompted with any other otice.


Carol


On 10/22/2021 7:14 PM, Thomas Chan via Talk wrote:

Was it an email client or a web browser?

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 08:22, Carol Smith via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hi,

Recently, Microsoft thought I needed an update to my system so it
performed the update while I was asleep.  Mostly, things are running
correctly, but I am now having difficulty reading my email messages.
The title, who it was sent from and anything outside the editing area no
longer read.  Sometimes, I have been able to read with the ctrl-shift-w
command, but if the message is more than one aswreen, I can't get the
rest to read.  Does anyone have any ideas?  I would surely accept any
ideas.

Thank you,

Carol

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Re: email not reading

[Thomas Chan via Talk]

Was it an email client or a web browser?

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 08:22, Carol Smith via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Recently, Microsoft thought I needed an update to my system so it
> performed the update while I was asleep.  Mostly, things are running
> correctly, but I am now having difficulty reading my email messages.
> The title, who it was sent from and anything outside the editing area no
> longer read.  Sometimes, I have been able to read with the ctrl-shift-w
> command, but if the message is more than one aswreen, I can't get the
> rest to read.  Does anyone have any ideas?  I would surely accept any
> ideas.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Carol
>
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Re: email

[john schwery via Talk]

Dudora still works with win 10, also.

At 02:29 PM 12/19/2019, Curtis Delzer via Talk, wrote:
two email programs that come to mind for windows 
ten, (1) is free, Thunderbird from Mozilla, and 
the other is Becky! mail from Japan which is 
truly quite accessible. Curtis Delzer HS K 6 V F 
O Rialto, CA cur...@calweb.com On 11/7/2019 5:12 
PM, tony c via Talk wrote: > I know outlook is 
accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use 
very little of anything except Microsoft word on 
a rare occasion. I just hate the mail program 
that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not 
totally accessible. > > Sent from Mail for 
Windows 10 > > From: joseph hudson via Talk > 
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM > To: 
Window-Eyes Discussion List > Cc: joseph 
hudson > Subject: Re: email > > Hi Tony, Outlook 
is very accessible. > > > joseph hudson > > 
Technology support for the blind or better known 
as Mack, IOS and Windows support > > FaceTime, 
iMessage, and email > > jhud7...@twc.com > > 
Telephone/what's up messenger > > 
254-300-7667 > > Emergency cell > > 
254-813-2461 > > Twitter > 
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > > 
Facebook > > 
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > >> 
On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk 
 wrote: >> >> Hi, I 
need a accessible email program. I’m using the 
one that on windows 10, it is useable but just 
barely. Lol Tony >> >> Sent from Mail for 
Windows 10 >> >> 
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Re: email

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

two email programs that come to mind for windows ten, (1) is free, 
Thunderbird from Mozilla, and the other is Becky! mail from Japan which 
is truly quite accessible.



Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

cur...@calweb.com

On 11/7/2019 5:12 PM, tony c via Talk wrote:

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little of 
anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail program 
that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


joseph hudson

Technology support for the blind or better known as Mack, IOS and Windows 
support

FaceTime, iMessage, and email

jhud7...@twc.com

Telephone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency cell

254-813-2461

Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404


On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk  wrote:

Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 10, it 
is useable but just barely. Lol Tony

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello all,

just for your info, My WinEyes was already set to accept
all apps so I don't know why I got the message about apps being 
invalidateed.
-Original Message- 
From: David

Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 8:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: email

Peter,
Two things.

First of all, it sounds like your WinEyes has been configured for only
running apps that are approved by you. Here is something you might try:
1; Open the WE Controlpanel, by hitting Ctrl-Backslash.
2; Go to the App menu, Alt-A.
3; Press Right-Arrow, and scroll to the App Manager, and hit Enter.
4; Hit Shift-Tab twice, and you should land on Security. Press Enter.
5; Make sure to choose the setting for "Always accepting scripts", and
press Enter.
6; Escape your way out of the menus. Restart the screen reader, and see
if that fixes anything.

A second thing that came to me this morning, due to me having to perform
this action on my system to fix some slow-down, is to try deleting your
Temporary folder. Whenever you are visiting a website, editing a Word
document, or many a time when you are installing software - your
computer will store small files so as to increase your memory capacity,
and to speed up certain processes. Over time though, the amount of
Temporary files might raise to such hights, that your system might slow
down, or even start to mess up some activities. Specially so, should
your computer happen to have a sudden loss of power, which might leave
certain files in an unstable state. Not sure if this will do anything to
your troubles, but it likely will not hurt to clean out those temporary
files. Windows will not let you clean out any file that currently is in
use, so you hardly will damage anything. Besides, you will end up with a
bit more room on your hard drive.

there would be a few ways to clean out the Temporary stuff from a
computer. Some more effecient than others. What I like to do, so as to
make sure this kind of files are clean up no matter where on the system
they are located, is as follows:

1; Hit Win-R.
2; In the Edit box, type
CMD
and hit Enter.
3; type
CD\
(please note the backslash at the end), and hit Enter.
4; Type
Del *.tmp /s/q
(please note the full set of characters), and hit Enter.
You now will see the computer work for a little, cleaning out all the
files with the extension of TMP, whereever they might be on your
computer, including all subfolders.
5; When it is done, type
Exit
followed by Enter.

6; Next, open Windows Explorer, and then hit Alt-D, which will take you
to the address bar.
7; Type
%temp%
and hit Enter. Please make sure you embrace the TEMP with the percent
sign, or you won't get anywhere.
8; You now should be in the main Temporary subfolder of your Windows
profile. To make sure, you could always check the address bar, or the
title bar of the window. Once you have ensured you are in the right
place, move on.
9; Hit Ctrl-A, to select all entries in the folder. Then hit Del, to
have them deleted. Windows will prompt you before performing the actual
deletion. Make sure to grant it any permissions.
10; You likely will get an error message, telling you that some file
cannot be deleted. These are files currently in use. Shift-Tab once, and
check the box that reads something like: "Do this for all files". Then
tab down to the SKIP button, and hit enter. In a moment, your Temporary
subfolder will have been cleaned out, whatever was possible.

OK, I do not know if any of this will help. At least you are turning
computer stones, rocks and cliffs. Smile.

David

On 12/3/2019 12:10 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

Thanks very much for all your help. Just for your info, I did think of
uninstalling and reinstalling Wlm but, unfortunately I couldn't find
where to uninstall it.
WLM is not listed in the control panel's Default Programs nor in
Program and features. I also cannot find it in the list of apps.

David did mention that my computer may have caught the 'flu. Well, I
don't know about that but I certainly
have caught the flu myself which is why I am in no mood at this time
to mess around with the computer. Most of the problems I am having
seem to be connected with apps which cannot be installed properly,
like the Word Navigation app. When I tried to add them, a message pops
up saying that the app is "Not Validated" or something like that.

I do use the register cleaner in my Ccleaner from time to time. In my
Windows XP box, I have a  program called Regscrub which I found very
helpful, but apparently, that program has not been updated for Windows
7-10. It also does not give me the option of backing up my register in
case something should go wrong during cleaning.

Never mind. I think I can live with my computer the way it is for now.

Thanks all again.
-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 11:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes D

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello net,

Yes, I did look there but couldn't find it. Will try again later.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 12:43 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: email

its there in programs and features in
windows essentuals
click on that  to start an uninstall. wlm will be there in the list. there 
you

can do a repair or uninstall.

-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 3:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: email

Hello all,

Thanks very much for all your help. Just for your info, I did think of
uninstalling and reinstalling Wlm but, unfortunately I couldn't find where
to uninstall it.
WLM is not listed in the control panel's Default Programs nor in Program and
features. I also cannot find it in the list of apps.

David did mention that my computer may have caught the 'flu. Well, I don't
know about that but I certainly
have caught the flu myself which is why I am in no mood at this time to mess
around with the computer. Most of the problems I am having seem to be
connected with apps which cannot be installed properly, like the Word
Navigation app. When I tried to add them,  a message pops up saying that the
app is "Not Validated" or something like that.

I do use the register cleaner in my Ccleaner from time to time. In my
Windows XP box, I have a  program called Regscrub which I found very
helpful, but apparently, that program has not been updated for Windows 7-10.
It also does not give me the option of backing up my register in case
something should go wrong during cleaning.

Never mind. I think I can live with my computer the way it is for now.

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Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello David,

Thanks for your tip about cleaning up the computer. Will try it after lunch.

-Original Message- 
From: David

Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 8:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: email

Peter,
Two things.

First of all, it sounds like your WinEyes has been configured for only
running apps that are approved by you. Here is something you might try:
1; Open the WE Controlpanel, by hitting Ctrl-Backslash.
2; Go to the App menu, Alt-A.
3; Press Right-Arrow, and scroll to the App Manager, and hit Enter.
4; Hit Shift-Tab twice, and you should land on Security. Press Enter.
5; Make sure to choose the setting for "Always accepting scripts", and
press Enter.
6; Escape your way out of the menus. Restart the screen reader, and see
if that fixes anything.

A second thing that came to me this morning, due to me having to perform
this action on my system to fix some slow-down, is to try deleting your
Temporary folder. Whenever you are visiting a website, editing a Word
document, or many a time when you are installing software - your
computer will store small files so as to increase your memory capacity,
and to speed up certain processes. Over time though, the amount of
Temporary files might raise to such hights, that your system might slow
down, or even start to mess up some activities. Specially so, should
your computer happen to have a sudden loss of power, which might leave
certain files in an unstable state. Not sure if this will do anything to
your troubles, but it likely will not hurt to clean out those temporary
files. Windows will not let you clean out any file that currently is in
use, so you hardly will damage anything. Besides, you will end up with a
bit more room on your hard drive.

there would be a few ways to clean out the Temporary stuff from a
computer. Some more effecient than others. What I like to do, so as to
make sure this kind of files are clean up no matter where on the system
they are located, is as follows:

1; Hit Win-R.
2; In the Edit box, type
CMD
and hit Enter.
3; type
CD\
(please note the backslash at the end), and hit Enter.
4; Type
Del *.tmp /s/q
(please note the full set of characters), and hit Enter.
You now will see the computer work for a little, cleaning out all the
files with the extension of TMP, whereever they might be on your
computer, including all subfolders.
5; When it is done, type
Exit
followed by Enter.

6; Next, open Windows Explorer, and then hit Alt-D, which will take you
to the address bar.
7; Type
%temp%
and hit Enter. Please make sure you embrace the TEMP with the percent
sign, or you won't get anywhere.
8; You now should be in the main Temporary subfolder of your Windows
profile. To make sure, you could always check the address bar, or the
title bar of the window. Once you have ensured you are in the right
place, move on.
9; Hit Ctrl-A, to select all entries in the folder. Then hit Del, to
have them deleted. Windows will prompt you before performing the actual
deletion. Make sure to grant it any permissions.
10; You likely will get an error message, telling you that some file
cannot be deleted. These are files currently in use. Shift-Tab once, and
check the box that reads something like: "Do this for all files". Then
tab down to the SKIP button, and hit enter. In a moment, your Temporary
subfolder will have been cleaned out, whatever was possible.

OK, I do not know if any of this will help. At least you are turning
computer stones, rocks and cliffs. Smile.

David

On 12/3/2019 12:10 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

Thanks very much for all your help. Just for your info, I did think of
uninstalling and reinstalling Wlm but, unfortunately I couldn't find
where to uninstall it.
WLM is not listed in the control panel's Default Programs nor in
Program and features. I also cannot find it in the list of apps.

David did mention that my computer may have caught the 'flu. Well, I
don't know about that but I certainly
have caught the flu myself which is why I am in no mood at this time
to mess around with the computer. Most of the problems I am having
seem to be connected with apps which cannot be installed properly,
like the Word Navigation app. When I tried to add them, a message pops
up saying that the app is "Not Validated" or something like that.

I do use the register cleaner in my Ccleaner from time to time. In my
Windows XP box, I have a  program called Regscrub which I found very
helpful, but apparently, that program has not been updated for Windows
7-10. It also does not give me the option of backing up my register in
case something should go wrong during cleaning.

Never mind. I think I can live with my computer the way it is for now.

Thanks all again.
-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 11:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Pete

Re: email

[net bat via Talk]

its there in programs and features in
windows essentuals
click on that  to start an uninstall. wlm will be there in the list. there you 
can do a repair or uninstall.


-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 3:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: email

Hello all,

Thanks very much for all your help. Just for your info, I did think of
uninstalling and reinstalling Wlm but, unfortunately I couldn't find where
to uninstall it.
WLM is not listed in the control panel's Default Programs nor in Program and
features. I also cannot find it in the list of apps.

David did mention that my computer may have caught the 'flu. Well, I don't
know about that but I certainly
have caught the flu myself which is why I am in no mood at this time to mess
around with the computer. Most of the problems I am having seem to be
connected with apps which cannot be installed properly, like the Word
Navigation app. When I tried to add them,  a message pops up saying that the
app is "Not Validated" or something like that.

I do use the register cleaner in my Ccleaner from time to time. In my
Windows XP box, I have a  program called Regscrub which I found very
helpful, but apparently, that program has not been updated for Windows 7-10.
It also does not give me the option of backing up my register in case
something should go wrong during cleaning.

Never mind. I think I can live with my computer the way it is for now.

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Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello all,

Thanks very much for all your help. Just for your info, I did think of 
uninstalling and reinstalling Wlm but, unfortunately I couldn't find where 
to uninstall it.
WLM is not listed in the control panel's Default Programs nor in Program and 
features. I also cannot find it in the list of apps.


David did mention that my computer may have caught the 'flu. Well, I don't 
know about that but I certainly
have caught the flu myself which is why I am in no mood at this time to mess 
around with the computer. Most of the problems I am having seem to be 
connected with apps which cannot be installed properly, like the Word 
Navigation app. When I tried to add them,  a message pops up saying that the 
app is "Not Validated" or something like that.


I do use the register cleaner in my Ccleaner from time to time. In my 
Windows XP box, I have a  program called Regscrub which I found very 
helpful, but apparently, that program has not been updated for Windows 7-10. 
It also does not give me the option of backing up my register in case 
something should go wrong during cleaning.


Never mind. I think I can live with my computer the way it is for now.

Thanks all again.
-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 11:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Well, this is completely baffling. As I said, in the last build I did
absolutely nothing other than comment out the one line in the speech
function that calls the braille function to braille the same text that
was spoken.
So I have no idea how your folder functions could be effected.
I guess the bottom line is whether you prefer the error message on
sending or using the keyboard shortcuts for folder management.
Good luck,
Tom


On 12/1/2019 3:26 AM, peter Chin wrote:

Hello Tom,

First, I have a confession to make. I just reinstalled my original WLM app
and I can now do functions like moving files to different folders. Of 
course, this means I still get the script  error message when I do 
control+n to send a new email.
My Windows Defender doesn't appear to have trouble with  my screen reader. 
the
AVG antivirus which I used in my Windows XP always found fault with my 
newer
NVDA versions so I had to tell it to ignore those but even that didn't 
help

because as soon as I tried to install a new version of NVDA, AVG would try
to get rid of it.
I personally don't think Windows Defender is a very effective antivirus 
but

it is better than having nothing. Because of that, I am very careful about
what websites I visit.

Thanks again.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 7:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
I'm just curious. Are you saying that the new version of the app is
doing what the last one did? That is it fixed the error message but
you're having a problem accessing folders?
If so, I think Lloyd's message should solve that problem. I'm not
familiar with the script he mentioned, but he also included the keyboard
shortcuts. I'll paste it below.

* From Lloyd:
If the automatic ctrl-shift-V script (which is a great feature missing
from JAWS) doesn't work, you can use alt-O, I to get into the folders
menu and do what you need to do manually.

Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD

Regards,
Tom

On 11/29/2019 10:58 PM, peter Chin wrote:

Hello Tom,

I have tried your revised version of the app with no better results. I
don't believe there is nything wrong with your app. I think there is
something else wrom with my computer as yours is not the only app that is
not working. So, just relax and forget about it. Thanks very much for
tryin to help.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:52 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Ah yes, the age old fix one problem and cause another routine. It is the
eternal battle for programmers.
This one is very strange though. So I've built another package wherein
all I did was comment out the line that calls the braille display print
function, which is where the error was. I can't remember, but I thought
you weren't using a braille display anyway. But regardless, I would
install this one to see if it fixes the new problems. If not, something
else is wrong because, as I said, I just eliminated the calling of the
braille string function which is only called from within the speak
string function. I changed nothing else.
I hope it works. Just let me know if you are using a braille display and
I'll dig into it some more.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe7xm7ma2604ovb/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1
Regards,
Tom


On 11/25/2019 10:36 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM
app and the error has not oc

Re: email

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Hi Peter,
Well, this is completely baffling. As I said, in the last build I did 
absolutely nothing other than comment out the one line in the speech 
function that calls the braille function to braille the same text that 
was spoken.

So I have no idea how your folder functions could be effected.
I guess the bottom line is whether you prefer the error message on 
sending or using the keyboard shortcuts for folder management.

Good luck,
Tom


On 12/1/2019 3:26 AM, peter Chin wrote:

Hello Tom,

First, I have a confession to make. I just reinstalled my original WLM app
and I can now do functions like moving files to different folders. Of 
course, this means I still get the script  error message when I do 
control+n to send a new email.
My Windows Defender doesn't appear to have trouble with  my screen 
reader. the
AVG antivirus which I used in my Windows XP always found fault with my 
newer

NVDA versions so I had to tell it to ignore those but even that didn't help
because as soon as I tried to install a new version of NVDA, AVG would try
to get rid of it.
I personally don't think Windows Defender is a very effective antivirus but
it is better than having nothing. Because of that, I am very careful about
what websites I visit.

Thanks again.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 7:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
I'm just curious. Are you saying that the new version of the app is
doing what the last one did? That is it fixed the error message but
you're having a problem accessing folders?
If so, I think Lloyd's message should solve that problem. I'm not
familiar with the script he mentioned, but he also included the keyboard
shortcuts. I'll paste it below.

* From Lloyd:
If the automatic ctrl-shift-V script (which is a great feature missing
from JAWS) doesn't work, you can use alt-O, I to get into the folders
menu and do what you need to do manually.

Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD

Regards,
Tom

On 11/29/2019 10:58 PM, peter Chin wrote:

Hello Tom,

I have tried your revised version of the app with no better results. I
don't believe there is nything wrong with your app. I think there is
something else wrom with my computer as yours is not the only app that is
not working. So, just relax and forget about it. Thanks very much for
tryin to help.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:52 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Ah yes, the age old fix one problem and cause another routine. It is the
eternal battle for programmers.
This one is very strange though. So I've built another package wherein
all I did was comment out the line that calls the braille display print
function, which is where the error was. I can't remember, but I thought
you weren't using a braille display anyway. But regardless, I would
install this one to see if it fixes the new problems. If not, something
else is wrong because, as I said, I just eliminated the calling of the
braille string function which is only called from within the speak
string function. I changed nothing else.
I hope it works. Just let me know if you are using a braille display and
I'll dig into it some more.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe7xm7ma2604ovb/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1
Regards,
Tom


On 11/25/2019 10:36 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM
app and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much for your
help. Unfortunately, certain features of the app do not appear  to be
working any more, such as the "Goto Folder" facility and the "Move File
to Folder" facility. Never mind. I can live with that.

Thanks again.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail 
app!

Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After do

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello David,

Yes, I have got a new CMOS battery. And yes, I should have immediately done
a restore when I noticed the script error message but I was too lazy to do
it and I haven't had much luck in the past doing it with Window-Eyes. I had 
to use a Jaws demo to do it and I can't realy remember how I did it. Since

May, I have beeen involved with to many other things which was why I didn't
bother with roling back my computer. I think it now a bit late to do that.
Next time something like this happens I'll try rolling back (famous last 
words!).


No, I don't have any antimaware on my computer. I did use Ccleaner once but 
it disabled my Pontes downloader. My only antivirus is the MS defender which 
appears to be very accepting of screen readers (at least, on Windows 8.1.


Thanks for your  suggestions anyway.

-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 4:54 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

Peter,

Just a thought.


Since you tell there is a few other things wrong with your computer,
what immediately popped into my mind, would be to roll back your
computer a few weeks. That is, unless you would happen to remember if
you installed, uninstalled or modified any piece of software - prior to
the issues on your computer starting to show up.


If you now happen to remember approximately when all of these things
started to occur, you could try to restore your computer to a date prior
to that time. That would mean you rolling back any updates and so forth,
and before doing any attempt, I would suggest you make sure to back up
all your personal data. Then restore the system a month or two back, and
let it run all updates anew. Sometimes an update - even from trusted
sources like Microsoft, could fail slightly. By rolling back your
system, and letting it reinstall all the latest updates, you might
smoothen out such issues.


A wild guess, but without knowing what you are facing kind of issues, it
really might not be possible to fully assist you. Did you get your CMos
battery changed?


By the way, have you checked your anti-malware, to see if it has
quaranteened anything on your computer? Mine happend to complain one of
the apps in WinEyes, for weeks. No matter if I reinstalled the app
several times, it still kept complaining. Running some thorough scans,
and actually uninstalling some of the anti-ware, seems to have fixed
that issue. Will be interesting to see what happens when I reinstall the
actual anti-ware. If you are running something like for instance
MalwareBytes, it would be worth having it checked up, since it has had
some tendency to quarantine some of the stuff from the screen reader.
Even some anti-virus software might every now and then cause false
positives, meaning that it seemingly detects a virus where no virus is
to be found. Avast, AVG and McAFee, they all have had issues toward
screen readers, down through history. Well, not that they are the only
ones, just to give you some examples. Checking the quarantine vault of
your anti-ware, might sometimes be a challenge with the screen reader.
So if you have two eyes dropping by, it might be worth to let them
assist you. Is there any of the other apps under WinEyes, that causes
you trouble? Knowing that, might give us some further clue what could
possibly be going on.


Lastly, have you tried to turn off all apps under WinEyes, and then
turning them back on - one by one? Make sure always to start out with
the GWToolkit app, since most other apps depend on routines taken from
there. Being a bit tidious, turning on one app at a time, might help you
trace which app nests the real bird-egg. And believe me, computers most
definately have their cuckoobirds, that throw their eggs here, there and
everywhere. Detecting them might sometimes be that hard, people end up
kicking out all the chicks, and reinstalling their whole computer system
afresh.


Sorry if all of this ends up being blahblah in your case, but wanted to
just drop the idea on the board, that you at least might keep every door
open. Hope for you to sort out your issues soon.


deff

David

On 11/30/2019 4:58 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Tom,

I have tried your revised version of the app with no better results. I
don't believe there is nything wrong with your app. I think there is
something else wrom with my computer as yours is not the only app that
is not working. So, just relax and forget about it. Thanks very much
for tryin to help.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:52 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Ah yes, the age old fix one problem and cause another routine. It is the
eternal battle for programmers.
This one is very strange though. So I've built another package wherein
all I did was comment out the line that calls the braille display print
function, which is where the error was. 

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Tom,

First, I have a confession to make. I just reinstalled my original WLM app
and I can now do functions like moving files to different folders. Of 
course, this means I still get the script  error message when I do control+n 
to send a new email.
My Windows Defender doesn't appear to have trouble with  my screen reader. 
the

AVG antivirus which I used in my Windows XP always found fault with my newer
NVDA versions so I had to tell it to ignore those but even that didn't help
because as soon as I tried to install a new version of NVDA, AVG would try
to get rid of it.
I personally don't think Windows Defender is a very effective antivirus but
it is better than having nothing. Because of that, I am very careful about
what websites I visit.

Thanks again.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 7:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
I'm just curious. Are you saying that the new version of the app is
doing what the last one did? That is it fixed the error message but
you're having a problem accessing folders?
If so, I think Lloyd's message should solve that problem. I'm not
familiar with the script he mentioned, but he also included the keyboard
shortcuts. I'll paste it below.

* From Lloyd:
If the automatic ctrl-shift-V script (which is a great feature missing
from JAWS) doesn't work, you can use alt-O, I to get into the folders
menu and do what you need to do manually.

Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD

Regards,
Tom

On 11/29/2019 10:58 PM, peter Chin wrote:

Hello Tom,

I have tried your revised version of the app with no better results. I
don't believe there is nything wrong with your app. I think there is
something else wrom with my computer as yours is not the only app that is
not working. So, just relax and forget about it. Thanks very much for
tryin to help.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:52 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Ah yes, the age old fix one problem and cause another routine. It is the
eternal battle for programmers.
This one is very strange though. So I've built another package wherein
all I did was comment out the line that calls the braille display print
function, which is where the error was. I can't remember, but I thought
you weren't using a braille display anyway. But regardless, I would
install this one to see if it fixes the new problems. If not, something
else is wrong because, as I said, I just eliminated the calling of the
braille string function which is only called from within the speak
string function. I changed nothing else.
I hope it works. Just let me know if you are using a braille display and
I'll dig into it some more.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe7xm7ma2604ovb/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1
Regards,
Tom


On 11/25/2019 10:36 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM
app and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much for your
help. Unfortunately, certain features of the app do not appear  to be
working any more, such as the "Goto Folder" facility and the "Move File
to Folder" facility. Never mind. I can live with that.

Thanks again.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the v

Re: email

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Regarding anti-virus and malware protection? I white-list all of the 
folders for my screen readers. They're not exactly common entry points. 
Here are the folders I tell them to ignore.

C:\Program Files (X86)\GW Micro
* I think it will lack the (X86) if you're running a 32 bit version of 
Windows.

C:\ProgramData\GW Micro
C:\Users\Tom Kingston\AppData\Roaming\GW Micro

Hth,
Tom


On 11/30/2019 3:54 AM, David via Talk wrote:

Peter,

Just a thought.


Since you tell there is a few other things wrong with your computer,
what immediately popped into my mind, would be to roll back your
computer a few weeks. That is, unless you would happen to remember if
you installed, uninstalled or modified any piece of software - prior to
the issues on your computer starting to show up.


If you now happen to remember approximately when all of these things
started to occur, you could try to restore your computer to a date prior
to that time. That would mean you rolling back any updates and so forth,
and before doing any attempt, I would suggest you make sure to back up
all your personal data. Then restore the system a month or two back, and
let it run all updates anew. Sometimes an update - even from trusted
sources like Microsoft, could fail slightly. By rolling back your
system, and letting it reinstall all the latest updates, you might
smoothen out such issues.


A wild guess, but without knowing what you are facing kind of issues, it
really might not be possible to fully assist you. Did you get your CMos
battery changed?


By the way, have you checked your anti-malware, to see if it has
quaranteened anything on your computer? Mine happend to complain one of
the apps in WinEyes, for weeks. No matter if I reinstalled the app
several times, it still kept complaining. Running some thorough scans,
and actually uninstalling some of the anti-ware, seems to have fixed
that issue. Will be interesting to see what happens when I reinstall the
actual anti-ware. If you are running something like for instance
MalwareBytes, it would be worth having it checked up, since it has had
some tendency to quarantine some of the stuff from the screen reader.
Even some anti-virus software might every now and then cause false
positives, meaning that it seemingly detects a virus where no virus is
to be found. Avast, AVG and McAFee, they all have had issues toward
screen readers, down through history. Well, not that they are the only
ones, just to give you some examples. Checking the quarantine vault of
your anti-ware, might sometimes be a challenge with the screen reader.
So if you have two eyes dropping by, it might be worth to let them
assist you. Is there any of the other apps under WinEyes, that causes
you trouble? Knowing that, might give us some further clue what could
possibly be going on.


Lastly, have you tried to turn off all apps under WinEyes, and then
turning them back on - one by one? Make sure always to start out with
the GWToolkit app, since most other apps depend on routines taken from
there. Being a bit tidious, turning on one app at a time, might help you
trace which app nests the real bird-egg. And believe me, computers most
definately have their cuckoobirds, that throw their eggs here, there and
everywhere. Detecting them might sometimes be that hard, people end up
kicking out all the chicks, and reinstalling their whole computer system
afresh.


Sorry if all of this ends up being blahblah in your case, but wanted to
just drop the idea on the board, that you at least might keep every door
open. Hope for you to sort out your issues soon.


deff

David

On 11/30/2019 4:58 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Tom,

I have tried your revised version of the app with no better results. I
don't believe there is nything wrong with your app. I think there is
something else wrom with my computer as yours is not the only app that
is not working. So, just relax and forget about it. Thanks very much
for tryin to help.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:52 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Ah yes, the age old fix one problem and cause another routine. It is the
eternal battle for programmers.
This one is very strange though. So I've built another package wherein
all I did was comment out the line that calls the braille display print
function, which is where the error was. I can't remember, but I thought
you weren't using a braille display anyway. But regardless, I would
install this one to see if it fixes the new problems. If not, something
else is wrong because, as I said, I just eliminated the calling of the
braille string function which is only called from within the speak
string function. I changed nothing else.
I hope it works. Just let me know if you are using a braille display and
I'll dig into it some more.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe7xm7ma2604ovb/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1
Regards,
Tom


On 11/25

Re: email

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Hi Peter,
I'm just curious. Are you saying that the new version of the app is 
doing what the last one did? That is it fixed the error message but 
you're having a problem accessing folders?
If so, I think Lloyd's message should solve that problem. I'm not 
familiar with the script he mentioned, but he also included the keyboard 
shortcuts. I'll paste it below.


* From Lloyd:
If the automatic ctrl-shift-V script (which is a great feature missing 
from JAWS) doesn't work, you can use alt-O, I to get into the folders 
menu and do what you need to do manually.


Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD

Regards,
Tom

On 11/29/2019 10:58 PM, peter Chin wrote:

Hello Tom,

I have tried your revised version of the app with no better results. I 
don't believe there is nything wrong with your app. I think there is 
something else wrom with my computer as yours is not the only app that 
is not working. So, just relax and forget about it. Thanks very much for 
tryin to help.


-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:52 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Ah yes, the age old fix one problem and cause another routine. It is the
eternal battle for programmers.
This one is very strange though. So I've built another package wherein
all I did was comment out the line that calls the braille display print
function, which is where the error was. I can't remember, but I thought
you weren't using a braille display anyway. But regardless, I would
install this one to see if it fixes the new problems. If not, something
else is wrong because, as I said, I just eliminated the calling of the
braille string function which is only called from within the speak
string function. I changed nothing else.
I hope it works. Just let me know if you are using a braille display and
I'll dig into it some more.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe7xm7ma2604ovb/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1
Regards,
Tom


On 11/25/2019 10:36 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM 
app and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much for 
your help. Unfortunately, certain features of the app do not appear  
to be working any more, such as the "Goto Folder" facility and the 
"Move File to Folder" facility. Never mind. I can live with that.


Thanks again.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, 
line 700 is working with braille.

Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes 
just for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
 On Behalf 
Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were

Re: email

[David via Talk]

Peter,

Just a thought.


Since you tell there is a few other things wrong with your computer, 
what immediately popped into my mind, would be to roll back your 
computer a few weeks. That is, unless you would happen to remember if 
you installed, uninstalled or modified any piece of software - prior to 
the issues on your computer starting to show up.


If you now happen to remember approximately when all of these things 
started to occur, you could try to restore your computer to a date prior 
to that time. That would mean you rolling back any updates and so forth, 
and before doing any attempt, I would suggest you make sure to back up 
all your personal data. Then restore the system a month or two back, and 
let it run all updates anew. Sometimes an update - even from trusted 
sources like Microsoft, could fail slightly. By rolling back your 
system, and letting it reinstall all the latest updates, you might 
smoothen out such issues.


A wild guess, but without knowing what you are facing kind of issues, it 
really might not be possible to fully assist you. Did you get your CMos 
battery changed?


By the way, have you checked your anti-malware, to see if it has 
quaranteened anything on your computer? Mine happend to complain one of 
the apps in WinEyes, for weeks. No matter if I reinstalled the app 
several times, it still kept complaining. Running some thorough scans, 
and actually uninstalling some of the anti-ware, seems to have fixed 
that issue. Will be interesting to see what happens when I reinstall the 
actual anti-ware. If you are running something like for instance 
MalwareBytes, it would be worth having it checked up, since it has had 
some tendency to quarantine some of the stuff from the screen reader. 
Even some anti-virus software might every now and then cause false 
positives, meaning that it seemingly detects a virus where no virus is 
to be found. Avast, AVG and McAFee, they all have had issues toward 
screen readers, down through history. Well, not that they are the only 
ones, just to give you some examples. Checking the quarantine vault of 
your anti-ware, might sometimes be a challenge with the screen reader. 
So if you have two eyes dropping by, it might be worth to let them 
assist you. Is there any of the other apps under WinEyes, that causes 
you trouble? Knowing that, might give us some further clue what could 
possibly be going on.


Lastly, have you tried to turn off all apps under WinEyes, and then 
turning them back on - one by one? Make sure always to start out with 
the GWToolkit app, since most other apps depend on routines taken from 
there. Being a bit tidious, turning on one app at a time, might help you 
trace which app nests the real bird-egg. And believe me, computers most 
definately have their cuckoobirds, that throw their eggs here, there and 
everywhere. Detecting them might sometimes be that hard, people end up 
kicking out all the chicks, and reinstalling their whole computer system 
afresh.


Sorry if all of this ends up being blahblah in your case, but wanted to 
just drop the idea on the board, that you at least might keep every door 
open. Hope for you to sort out your issues soon.


deff

David

On 11/30/2019 4:58 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:
> Hello Tom,
>
> I have tried your revised version of the app with no better results. I 
> don't believe there is nything wrong with your app. I think there is 
> something else wrom with my computer as yours is not the only app that 
> is not working. So, just relax and forget about it. Thanks very much 
> for tryin to help.
>
> -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:52 PM
> To: peter Chin via Talk
> Cc: Tom Kingston
> Subject: Re: email
>
> Hi Peter,
> Ah yes, the age old fix one problem and cause another routine. It is the
> eternal battle for programmers.
> This one is very strange though. So I've built another package wherein
> all I did was comment out the line that calls the braille display print
> function, which is where the error was. I can't remember, but I thought
> you weren't using a braille display anyway. But regardless, I would
> install this one to see if it fixes the new problems. If not, something
> else is wrong because, as I said, I just eliminated the calling of the
> braille string function which is only called from within the speak
> string function. I changed nothing else.
> I hope it works. Just let me know if you are using a braille display and
> I'll dig into it some more.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe7xm7ma2604ovb/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 11/25/2019 10:36 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:
>> Hello Tom,
>>
>> Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  
>> WLM app and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much 
>>

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Tom,

I have tried your revised version of the app with no better results. I don't 
believe there is nything wrong with your app. I think there is something 
else wrom with my computer as yours is not the only app that is not working. 
So, just relax and forget about it. Thanks very much for tryin to help.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:52 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Ah yes, the age old fix one problem and cause another routine. It is the
eternal battle for programmers.
This one is very strange though. So I've built another package wherein
all I did was comment out the line that calls the braille display print
function, which is where the error was. I can't remember, but I thought
you weren't using a braille display anyway. But regardless, I would
install this one to see if it fixes the new problems. If not, something
else is wrong because, as I said, I just eliminated the calling of the
braille string function which is only called from within the speak
string function. I changed nothing else.
I hope it works. Just let me know if you are using a braille display and
I'll dig into it some more.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe7xm7ma2604ovb/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1
Regards,
Tom


On 11/25/2019 10:36 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM app 
and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much for your help. 
Unfortunately, certain features of the app do not appear  to be working 
any more, such as the "Goto Folder" facility and the "Move File to Folder" 
facility. Never mind. I can live with that.


Thanks again.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line 
700 is working with braille.

Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just 
for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking 
for:

--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message-----
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild 
guessing.



Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might w

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Tom,

No, I'm not using a braille display, and I have purposely set my W-E not to
look for a braille display. I think my problem may be that I have not 
installed the app properly because when I look at the list of apps in the 
"App Management", WLM is not listed but it is listed under "Add and Remove".


I will try to download your new app tomorrow and
report on it. Thanks again.

Many thanks for taking so much trouble.
-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:52 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Ah yes, the age old fix one problem and cause another routine. It is the
eternal battle for programmers.
This one is very strange though. So I've built another package wherein
all I did was comment out the line that calls the braille display print
function, which is where the error was. I can't remember, but I thought
you weren't using a braille display anyway. But regardless, I would
install this one to see if it fixes the new problems. If not, something
else is wrong because, as I said, I just eliminated the calling of the
braille string function which is only called from within the speak
string function. I changed nothing else.
I hope it works. Just let me know if you are using a braille display and
I'll dig into it some more.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe7xm7ma2604ovb/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1
Regards,
Tom


On 11/25/2019 10:36 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM app
and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much for your help.
Unfortunately, certain features of the app do not appear  to be working
any more, such as the "Goto Folder" facility and the "Move File to Folder"
facility. Never mind. I can live with that.

Thanks again.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line
700 is working with braille.
Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just
for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk
Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking
for:
--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it 

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Thanks, Lloyd, but I am not using JAws. I'm using Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:02 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: email

If the automatic ctrl-shift-V script (which is a great feature missing from
JAWS) doesn't work, you can use alt-O, I to get into the folders menu and do
what you need to do manually.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD

-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:36 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: email

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM app
and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much for your help.
Unfortunately, certain features of the app do not appear  to be working any
more, such as the "Goto Folder" facility and the "Move File to Folder"
facility. Never mind. I can live with that.

Thanks again.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line 
700 is working with braille.

Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just 
for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking 
for:

--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild 
guessing.



Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blockin

Re: email

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Hi Peter,
Ah yes, the age old fix one problem and cause another routine. It is the 
eternal battle for programmers.
This one is very strange though. So I've built another package wherein 
all I did was comment out the line that calls the braille display print 
function, which is where the error was. I can't remember, but I thought 
you weren't using a braille display anyway. But regardless, I would 
install this one to see if it fixes the new problems. If not, something 
else is wrong because, as I said, I just eliminated the calling of the 
braille string function which is only called from within the speak 
string function. I changed nothing else.
I hope it works. Just let me know if you are using a braille display and 
I'll dig into it some more.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe7xm7ma2604ovb/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1
Regards,
Tom


On 11/25/2019 10:36 PM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM 
app and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much for your 
help. Unfortunately, certain features of the app do not appear  to be 
working any more, such as the "Goto Folder" facility and the "Move File 
to Folder" facility. Never mind. I can live with that.


Thanks again.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, 
line 700 is working with braille.

Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes 
just for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  
On Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were 
asking for:

--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild 
guessing.



Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. R

Re: email

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

If the automatic ctrl-shift-V script (which is a great feature missing from 
JAWS) doesn't work, you can use alt-O, I to get into the folders menu and do 
what you need to do manually.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD

-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:36 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: email

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM app
and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much for your help.
Unfortunately, certain features of the app do not appear  to be working any
more, such as the "Goto Folder" facility and the "Move File to Folder"
facility. Never mind. I can live with that.

Thanks again.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line 
700 is working with braille.

Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just 
for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking 
for:

--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild 
guessing.



Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know 

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM app
and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much for your help.
Unfortunately, certain features of the app do not appear  to be working any
more, such as the "Goto Folder" facility and the "Move File to Folder"
facility. Never mind. I can live with that.

Thanks again.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line 
700 is working with braille.

Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just 
for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking 
for:

--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild 
guessing.



Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
get a

script error messa

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Tom,

Just to inform you  that I have now installed your version of the  WLM app 
and the error has not occurred since. I thank you very much for your help. 
Unfortunately, certain features of the app do not appear  to be working any 
more, such as the "Goto Folder" facility and the "Move File to Folder" 
facility. Never mind. I can live with that.


Thanks again.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line 
700 is working with braille.

Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just 
for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking 
for:

--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild 
guessing.



Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
get a

script error

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello David,

Thanks for the very detailed explanation of what goes on inside a computer. 
Unfortunately, my problem with the script happened

before my CMOS battery ran out on my.

Thanks anyway.
-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 3:06 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

Interesting thing you mention, about your Clock battery being outdated.
A very wild guess from my side, but let's just have it mentioned anyway.


Could it possibly be, that your clock is out of time, whenever you start
your computer. This makes some of the security routines in Windows, or
any other Anti-malware you have running, going down. They think they are
not yet to run, since your clock and calendar prove them to not yet
being envented. Say your calendar at start-up might be reverted back to
2015. Any Anti-malware that has been released post-2015, might conclude
it is not yet time to kick in. Had that happen on a computer several
years ago, which ended up letting through a virus on my system. Took me
a bit to figure why the Anti-virus had not detected it.


Thing is, now aday, very often your system is set to synchronize with an
internet timing service. But that does not take place until your
computer is up running. Recently I had a dying clock battery (more
correctly named the CMos battery), and certain trouble with some of the
software on my computer.


OK, now let's suppose something does not fire up correctly, due to a
clock that is being reset every time you turn off your computer. If that
given routine, tries to fire at startup, realizes that it has not yet
been invented, turns itself off, and due to bad programming does not
come back on when the computer is being synchronized with the internet
timing service. Further, let's suppose for the sake of silly computer
fantacy, that the routine in question, just happens to be your outgoing
mail checker. Whenever you try to send -or was it reply to - a message,
this very routine complains. Your Screen Reader app, is not constructed
to handle the complain from your checking routine, and thinks it time to
just throw an error message on you, just for the fun of causing you a
headache.


sounds like a badly constructed bedtime story, doesn't it? And yet,
computers are like that. If you ever happen to see a list of routines
running at any time on your computer, you would be surprised. more like
150 is nothing. 300, well we soon get there. And it could be a much
higher number, if you wanted to see all the subroutines, that are being
called temporarily every time something takes place on your system. You
think of typing a character, and having that one showing up on the
screen, as two small routines: One for receiving your typed character,
and another for kicking it out on the screen. Oh no. Here are numerous
routines, or tiny pieces of software involved. Your keyboard registers
what key has been pressed, sends a "Scan-Code" to the computer. It is
busy with something else, so it sends back a ""Busy, keep waiting"
signal, or it throws the scan code on hold in memory, now causing
another routine to store a note about what is in line. Finally the CPU
is ready, sends a signal asking for the info from the keyboard, receives
the scan code, and forrwards it to the Text Editor software - like Word.
Here it is being transcribed to a code that the editor knows how to
handle, and the editor looks it up in its registers, to find out how to
design the shape of the character, or perhaps it just forwards a new
code to the screen processor, which will hold info about what font, size
and attributes to put out. The screen processor receives all this info
from the Editor, goes through an untold amount of routines, to determine
which pixels - or tiny light-bulbs - to turn on. It first will have to
make sure to turn off any pixels in the area it decides will be proper
for your character to show up, and then it has to turn on each and every
pixel, one by one. A character, with all its colors and attributes set,
might run into a considerable amount. Well-sized, you might not be
surprised that a single character will be made up of a hundred pixels,
or even more. Finally, these pixels light up, and you are ready to go on
with your next typing. Ah, wait a moment! Isn't it so, that you are on a
screen reader? Doesn't that mean that the screen processor - or probably
the editor software - has to answer yet another query? An answer that
has to be processed by the screen reader, any app under the screen
reader, and finally the speech synthesizer itself? And if you now think
you are ready to hear the character spoken, you better forget about it.
The screen reader processed result, now will have to be send back to the
CPU of your computer, telling it to "please forward" the info to the
sound board - whenever such forwarding is convenient for the CPU, as
well as for the sound card. Reachin

Re: email

[David via Talk]

ndergo a "security check", by your Anti-malware, your 
Operativ System, and any other extra software that you have installed, 
and that thinks it has any business in poking its snoute into other 
routines afairs.


Just tell me, will you, where how and when in this line of processes, 
could anything possibly go wrong. And that is just for you to type one 
simple character on your keyboard, and have it show up on the screen, as 
well as spoken out to you. If you still don't know what to spend your 
day on, let me provide you the info that the list above, has been "very 
much simplified", to not make things too technical. Smiles. No wonder 
our computers run hot, and no wonder we see them kneele every now and 
then. Mind you, your cellphone or tablet is nothing less busy.


Like I said in the beginning, to what extent any of this has an impact 
on your very case, I do have no clue at all. And since Tom kindly took 
the time to modify the app, you might be well served. This story of 
mine, was more of a "just for your education" kind. And since it likely 
might have caused the head of any reder to overflow already, I will end 
here. Enjoy your computing.


David

On 11/17/2019 6:22 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Thanks so much for trying to help. Tom, I have downloaded your 
> "windowslivemail.wepm" and will be following your instructions 
> carefully in a few days. I will then report what happened. In the 
> meantime, I am waiting for my computer technician to come with a new 
> battery to keep my computer clock working properly.
>
> Thanks again, I really do appreciate your help.
>
> -----Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
> To: Rod Hutton via Talk
> Cc: Tom Kingston
> Subject: Re: email
>
> Hi Peter,
> Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
> work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
> error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
> using a braille display.
> Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
> newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
> several versions back.
> I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
> checking in VBScript more strict.
> So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
> alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
> installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
> * First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
> Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
> Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
> After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
> Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
> Press R for properties.
> Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
> Tab to the Apply button and press space.
> Tab to the OK button and press space.
> Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
> During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
> agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
> it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1
>
> Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have
> changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late
> now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
> Hth,
> Tom
>
>
> On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, 
>> line 700 is working with braille.
>> Are you using a braille display?
>> If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes 
>> just for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.
>>
>> Hth,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>>  On Behalf 
>> Of peter Chin via Talk
>> Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
>> To: peter Chin via Talk 
>> Cc: peter Chin 
>> Subject: Re: email
>>
>> Hello David,
>>
>> I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were 
>> asking for:
>> --
>> Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
>> Line 700 column 2
>> Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
>> <
>> 0x800a000d
>>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: David via Talk
&

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello All,

Thanks so much for trying to help. Tom, I have downloaded your 
"windowslivemail.wepm" and will be following your instructions carefully in 
a few days. I will then report what happened. In the meantime, I am waiting 
for my computer technician to come with a new battery to keep my computer 
clock working properly.


Thanks again, I really do appreciate your help.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line 
700 is working with braille.

Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just 
for a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking 
for:

--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild 
guessing.



Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
get a

script error messa

Re: email

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Hi Rod,
You're probably right. I just prefer to take the I'd rather be safe than 
sorry approach. It takes about a minute to uninstall an app. It takes a 
lot longer to install one, run the program, discover a problem, and then 
uninstall the app and re-install it.
Now let's just hope it works. Fixing a script for a program I don't have 
isn't exactly walking on solid ground. Smile.

Regards,
Tom


On 11/14/2019 7:42 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for taking the time to write this app.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but, after unblocking the app as you describe, 
installing your version should not require one to uninstall the previous 
version.
Rather, installing your version would completely replace all components of the 
previous version and remove any components of the previous version not included 
in your version.
In short, as I've said, after one unblocks your file, installing your app 
should merely require one to press Enter on your file, and confirm the upgrade.

Thanks,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: November 13, 2019 9:17 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Tom Kingston 
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line 700 is 
working with braille.
Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just for a 
bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk
Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking for:
--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild guessing.


Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the 

RE: email

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom,

Thanks for taking the time to write this app.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but, after unblocking the app as you describe, 
installing your version should not require one to uninstall the previous 
version.
Rather, installing your version would completely replace all components of the 
previous version and remove any components of the previous version not included 
in your version.
In short, as I've said, after one unblocks your file, installing your app 
should merely require one to press Enter on your file, and confirm the upgrade.

Thanks,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: November 13, 2019 9:17 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Tom Kingston 
Subject: Re: email

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't 
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the 
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're 
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a 
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made 
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type 
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the 
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new 
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.
* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my 
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.
After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license 
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that 
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have 
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late 
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!
Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line 700 
> is working with braille.
> Are you using a braille display?
> If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just for 
> a bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.
> 
> Hth,
> 
> Rod
> 
> Sent from Outlook for Windows
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On 
> Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk
> Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
> To: peter Chin via Talk 
> Cc: peter Chin 
> Subject: Re: email
> 
> Hello David,
> 
> I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking for:
> --
> Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
> Line 700 column 2
> Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
> <
> 0x800a000d
>>
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: David via Talk
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
> To: peter Chin via Talk
> Cc: David
> Subject: Re: email
> 
> What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
> does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
> is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
> Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild guessing.
> 
> 
> Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
> to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
> if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
> app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
> have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.
> 
> 
> Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
> be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
> have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
> if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
> files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
> reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
> is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
> anti-ware might be a good idea.
> 
> 
> Don't use the software

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod,

Thanks so much for your instructions. will try it.



-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 11:29 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: email

Hi Peter,

Incidentally, what you actually pasted into your message to the list was the 
complete text of the app.

How you got it, makes me scratch my head in puzzlement.
What we would really need in order to help is the error report.
This report would be generated if you press the correct button in the dialog 
precisely when the error dialog appears.

You would then find the report in the Window-Eyes profile folder.
It could be most easily found if you sort the profile folder by date, since 
the report is a text file having the name of the app.
You find the profile folder by choosing the Explore profile folder in the 
File menu of the control panel.
You would then just open the file in Notepad, select its contents and paste 
it into a message to the list.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: November 12, 2019 9:14 PM
To: David via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello Tom,

I guess you are right and in the end I will have to follow his advice. I did
include a copy of the error message in my last message. I pasted it below my
message after the row of dashes. The error message only occurs after I have
pressed Control+n for writing a new message, then  Alt+s to send it. It does
not occur if I reply to a message.

Thanks for trying to help.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:03 AM
To: David via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Peter,

I would do as David says below. If nothing fixes it just copy and paste
the error message here. If nothing else we can just stick an error check
on the line and tell it to continue and ignore the message. But knowing
the error might allow us to fix it even though we're not using the
program and script.

Regards,
Tom


On 11/10/2019 9:38 PM, David via Talk wrote:

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild
guessing.


Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four
choices:

ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the
last

option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function

properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.


I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who

understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script

which is supposed to be re-edited.



' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships
with

this package.

Option Explicit


Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.xml"

Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.ini"

Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)

Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =

"
http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
"

Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False

Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False

Re: email

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Hi Peter,
Unfortunately Rod's suggestion to disable your braille display won't 
work. The function containing the conditional block that's throwing the 
error is run regardless because it's where it checks to see if you're 
using a braille display.
Fortunately all the conditional block is doing is seeing if you have a 
newer version of the GW toolkit, which you do. The change was made 
several versions back.
I believe the problem is due to a Windows security update that made type 
checking in VBScript more strict.
So I removed every instance of that conditional block along with the 
alternative code for the old version of the toolkit. I've built a new 
installer package: windowslivemail.wepm.

* First, close Windows Live Mail and uninstall the Windows Live Mail app!
Then activate the link below to download my new installer from my 
Dropbox. It should open a "Save as" dialog in your browser.

After downloading the file, focus it in explorer.
Press the Applications key to open the context menu.
Press R for properties.
Tab down to Unblock and press space to uncheck it.
Tab to the Apply button and press space.
Tab to the OK button and press space.
Now just press Enter on the wepm file to install it.
During the installation you should be prompted to accept the license 
agreement. I did this to let you and anyone else who uses it know that 
it's the new installer. I also changed the version from 1.3.2 to 1.3.3.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/32q204ix9ixmv2r/windowslivemail.wepm?dl=1

Let me know if you get any new errors. Now that I say this I should have 
changed the app so it would send error reports to me. Oh well. Too late 
now, which is to say, I'm lazy. Hahaahaaha!

Hth,
Tom


On 11/13/2019 5:30 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line 700 is 
working with braille.
Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just for a 
bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk
Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking for:
--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild guessing.


Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four
choices:

ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the
last

option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function

properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.


I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who

understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script

which is supposed to be re-edited.



&#x

RE: email

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Peter,

In the version of the Windows Live Mail app I have, which is 1.3.2, line 700 is 
working with braille.
Are you using a braille display?
If so, you can try disabling your braille display within Window-Eyes just for a 
bit in order to test if this could be causing the problem.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk
Sent: November 12, 2019 11:23 PM
To: peter Chin via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking for:
--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d
>


-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild guessing.


Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
> --
> Hello all,
>
> I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
> had
>
> no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
> get a
>
> script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four
> choices:
>
> ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the
> last
>
> option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function
>
> properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.
>
>
> I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who
>
> understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script
>
> which is supposed to be re-edited.
>
> 
>
> ' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships
> with
>
> this package.
>
> Option Explicit
>
>
> Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &
>
> "\WindowsLiveMail.xml"
>
> Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &
>
> "\WindowsLiveMail.ini"
>
> Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)
>
> Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =
>
> "
> http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
> "
>
> Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False
>
> Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False
>
> Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing
>
> Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing
>
> Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing
>
> Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
>
> Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing
>
> Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0
>
> Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""
>
> Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing
>
> Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0
>
> Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing
>
> Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0
>
> Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0
>
>
> Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing
>
> Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0
>
> Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBrai

Re: email

[David via Talk]

Hey there,

Sure, that is the error message that will point us exactly to the line 
of the app code, that obviously is generating the error. Exactly what is 
going on here, I have no clue, since it will take a bit of time to 
investigate the surrounding code of that line, to see why it causes an 
error. Yet, without knowing this much, it would hardly be possible for 
anyone to guess why the error occured, hence I and others called for 
this info. Now that we know what line causes the trouble, we might do 
one of two.


Either we could investigate what is actually going on, why it happens, 
what to do about it; and then fix the code. Such investigation will need 
someone who actually uses the app, along with the Mail Client software 
it is working with. I am not in that category, sorry to let you know.


Alternatively, we could do what another lister suggested, simply modify 
the app, so as to make it skip any error caused on this line of code. 
That is a rather quick fix, couple of extra lines of coding might 
suffice. Yet, it does hold a tiny risk, in that it does not solve the 
problem, more just works around it. If now, the actual problem sits in 
more of the main core of the app, it might end up popping its snoute 
out, a totally other place. If you are willing to run that tiny risk, 
likely we can have you helped out in not too long.


I am currently not able to put time into this, but just wanted to let 
you know why we called for the info given in the error message, and what 
possible can be done about it. Luckily, it seems to me, you got trouble 
with one of the apps that were not encrypted, hence we have the actual 
code handy, and can get to the point of modifying it. I really hope 
someone have the resources to give you a hand here.



David

On 11/13/2019 5:23 AM, peter Chin wrote:
> Hello David,
>
> I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were 
> asking for:
> --
> Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
> Line 700 column 2
> Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
> <
> 0x800a000d
>>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: David via Talk
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
> To: peter Chin via Talk
> Cc: David
> Subject: Re: email
>
> What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
> does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
> is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
> Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild 
> guessing.
>
>
> Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
> to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
> if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
> app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
> have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.
>
>
> Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
> be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
> have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
> if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
> files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
> reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
> is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
> anti-ware might be a good idea.
>
>
> Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
> you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
> you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?
>
>
>
> David
>
> On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
>> --
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
>> had
>>
>> no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
>> get a
>>
>> script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four
>> choices:
>>
>> ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the
>> last
>>
>> option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function
>>
>> properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back 
>> in.
>>
>>
>> I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who
>>
>> understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the 
>> script
>>
>> which is supposed to be re-edited.
>>
>> ---

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello David,

I hope the text given below the row of dashes what you were were asking for:
--
Windows Live Mail.VBS-Microsoft VB Script  runtime error
Line 700 column 2
Type mismatch 'sharedobject(...)'
<
0x800a000d





-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild guessing.


Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four
choices:

ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the
last

option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function

properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.


I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who

understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script

which is supposed to be re-edited.



' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships
with

this package.

Option Explicit


Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.xml"

Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.ini"

Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)

Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =

"
http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
"

Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False

Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False

Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing

Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing

Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing

Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")


Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing

Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0

Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""

Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing

Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0

Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing

Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0

Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0


Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing

Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0

Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBraille = 0

Dim myBrailleObj : Set myBrailleObj = Nothing

Dim firstLetterNavStr : firstLetterNavStr = ""

Dim keyPressTimer : keyPressTimer = 0


Const TIMER_AUTOCOMPLETE = 1000

Const GRAPHIC_PREFIX = "GRAPHIC_"


Class MessageWindowClass

   Private toField

   Private autoCompleteSelected

   Private myMSAAEventSource

   Private autoCompleteEntries

   Private myHotkeys

   Private messageWindow

   Private msaaEvents

   Private timers

   Private startTimerProxy

   Private hotkeyProxy

   Private msaaEventProxy


   Public Sub Class_Initialize()


   ' Begin

   Set toField = Nothing

   Set autoCompleteSelected = Nothing

   Set myMSAAEventSource = MSAAEventSource

   Set autoCompleteEntries = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set myHotkeys = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set msaaEvents = CreateObject("

RE: email

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Peter,

Incidentally, what you actually pasted into your message to the list was the 
complete text of the app.
How you got it, makes me scratch my head in puzzlement.
What we would really need in order to help is the error report.
This report would be generated if you press the correct button in the dialog 
precisely when the error dialog appears.
You would then find the report in the Window-Eyes profile folder.
It could be most easily found if you sort the profile folder by date, since the 
report is a text file having the name of the app.
You find the profile folder by choosing the Explore profile folder in the File 
menu of the control panel.
You would then just open the file in Notepad, select its contents and paste it 
into a message to the list.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk
Sent: November 12, 2019 9:14 PM
To: David via Talk 
Cc: peter Chin 
Subject: Re: email

Hello Tom,

I guess you are right and in the end I will have to follow his advice. I did
include a copy of the error message in my last message. I pasted it below my
message after the row of dashes. The error message only occurs after I have
pressed Control+n for writing a new message, then  Alt+s to send it. It does
not occur if I reply to a message.

Thanks for trying to help.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:03 AM
To: David via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Peter,

I would do as David says below. If nothing fixes it just copy and paste
the error message here. If nothing else we can just stick an error check
on the line and tell it to continue and ignore the message. But knowing
the error might allow us to fix it even though we're not using the
program and script.

Regards,
Tom


On 11/10/2019 9:38 PM, David via Talk wrote:
> What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
> does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
> is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
> Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild
> guessing.
>
>
> Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
> to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
> if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
> app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
> have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.
>
>
> Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
> be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
> have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
> if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
> files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
> reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
> is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
> anti-ware might be a good idea.
>
>
> Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
> you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
> you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?
>
>
>
> David
>
> On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
>> --
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
>> had
>>
>> no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
>> get a
>>
>> script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four
>> choices:
>>
>> ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the
>> last
>>
>> option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function
>>
>> properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.
>>
>>
>> I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who
>>
>> understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script
>>
>> which is supposed to be re-edited.
>>
>> 
>>
>> ' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships
>> with
>>
>> this package.
>>
>> Option Explicit
>>
>>
>> Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &
>>
>> "\WindowsLiveMail.xml"
>>
>> Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &
>>
>> &quo

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello David,
Thanks so much for trying to help. I did include a copy of the error message 
in my last message. Unfortunately, I do not know how to find out more about 
the app which is giving the error message except that it appears to be some 
kind of Microsoft app. The  error appears a minute or so after I have 
pressed alt+s to send out an e-mail.I cannot get out of it unless I choose 
"Restart App". I will try my best to find out more about this error message 
but I am not sure how to proceed. If I do manage to do so, I will post it 
here.


Thanks anyway.
\

-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:38 AM
To: peter Chin via Talk
Cc: David
Subject: Re: email

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild guessing.


Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four
choices:

ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the
last

option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function

properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.


I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who

understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script

which is supposed to be re-edited.



' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships
with

this package.

Option Explicit


Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.xml"

Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.ini"

Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)

Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =

"
http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
"

Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False

Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False

Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing

Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing

Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing

Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")


Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing

Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0

Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""

Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing

Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0

Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing

Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0

Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0


Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing

Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0

Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBraille = 0

Dim myBrailleObj : Set myBrailleObj = Nothing

Dim firstLetterNavStr : firstLetterNavStr = ""

Dim keyPressTimer : keyPressTimer = 0


Const TIMER_AUTOCOMPLETE = 1000

Const GRAPHIC_PREFIX = "GRAPHIC_"


Class MessageWindowClass

   Private toField

   Private autoCompleteSelected

   Private myMSAAEventSource

   Private autoCompleteEntries

   Private myHotkeys

   Private messageWindow

   Private msaaEvents

   Private timers

   Private startTimerProxy

   Private hotkeyProxy

   Private msaaEventProxy


   Public Sub Class_Initialize()


   &#

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Net,

Thanks for your suggestion. I will try it out to see what happens.



-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 10:41 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: email

have you tried re installing the wlm app package? or maybe doing a wlm 
system

repair?
the repair is done in the program and features list. look for the essentuals
program. start a uninstall. it will open a dialog with options to uninstall 
or

repair all the essentuals programs that ar installed.


-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 6:18 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: email

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four choices:

ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the last

option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function

properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.


I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who

understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script

which is supposed to be re-edited.



' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships with

this package.

Option Explicit


Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"+AFw-WindowsLiveMail.xml"

Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"+AFw-WindowsLiveMail.ini"

Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)

Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =

"
http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
"

Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False

Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False

Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing

Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing

Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing

Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")


Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing

Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0

Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""

Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing

Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0

Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing

Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0

Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0


Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing

Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0

Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBraille = 0

Dim myBrailleObj : Set myBrailleObj = Nothing

Dim firstLetterNavStr : firstLetterNavStr = ""

Dim keyPressTimer : keyPressTimer = 0


Const TIMER_AUTOCOMPLETE = 1000

Const GRAPHIC_PREFIX = "GRAPHIC_"


Class MessageWindowClass

   Private toField

   Private autoCompleteSelected

   Private myMSAAEventSource

   Private autoCompleteEntries

   Private myHotkeys

   Private messageWindow

   Private msaaEvents

   Private timers

   Private startTimerProxy

   Private hotkeyProxy

   Private msaaEventProxy


   Public Sub Class_Initialize()


   ' Begin

   Set toField = Nothing

   Set autoCompleteSelected = Nothing

   Set myMSAAEventSource = MSAAEventSource

   Set autoCompleteEntries = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set myHotkeys = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set msaaEvents = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set timers = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set startTimerProxy = (New SingleParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"TimerProc")

   Set hotkeyProxy = (New DualParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"HotkeyProc")

   Set msaaEventProxy = (New DualParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"MSAAProc")

   End Sub


   Public Function Init(wObj, newMessage)

   ' Begin

   Set messageWindow = wObj

   RegisterHotkeys wObj

   ' We only need to hook events for new messages

   myMSAAEventSource.Window = messageWindow

   If newMessage Then

   msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count +- 1) =

ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectFocus",

msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_FOCUS)

   msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count +- 1) =

ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectStateChange",

msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_STATECHANGE)

   Else

   msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count +- 1) =

ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectReorder",

msaaEventProxy, event_OB

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod,

I suppose you are right, but old habits die hard. I guess that I will have 
to make the plunge sooner or later.


Thanks.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 11:17 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: email

Hi Peter,

This is the problem with continuing to use Window-Eyes when it is no longer 
being supported.
In the current situation, it forces people to try to keep using Window-Eyes 
by tinkering with it.

In order to tinker with it, you have to be an advanced user.
If I run into these situations, I begin by disabling the associated app, and 
see if I really need it in order to use the program which the app was 
written for.

If you're willing to do this, you can go ahead and try.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk On Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk
Sent: November 10, 2019 9:18 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: email

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four choices:

ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the last

option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function

properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.


I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who

understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script

which is supposed to be re-edited.



' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships with

this package.

Option Explicit


Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.xml"

Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.ini"

Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)

Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =

"
http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
"

Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False

Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False

Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing

Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing

Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing

Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")


Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing

Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0

Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""

Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing

Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0

Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing

Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0

Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0


Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing

Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0

Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBraille = 0

Dim myBrailleObj : Set myBrailleObj = Nothing

Dim firstLetterNavStr : firstLetterNavStr = ""

Dim keyPressTimer : keyPressTimer = 0


Const TIMER_AUTOCOMPLETE = 1000

Const GRAPHIC_PREFIX = "GRAPHIC_"


Class MessageWindowClass

   Private toField

   Private autoCompleteSelected

   Private myMSAAEventSource

   Private autoCompleteEntries

   Private myHotkeys

   Private messageWindow

   Private msaaEvents

   Private timers

   Private startTimerProxy

   Private hotkeyProxy

   Private msaaEventProxy


   Public Sub Class_Initialize()


   ' Begin

   Set toField = Nothing

   Set autoCompleteSelected = Nothing

   Set myMSAAEventSource = MSAAEventSource

   Set autoCompleteEntries = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set myHotkeys = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set msaaEvents = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set timers = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

   Set startTimerProxy = (New SingleParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"TimerProc")

   Set hotkeyProxy = (New DualParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"HotkeyProc")

   Set msaaEventProxy = (New DualParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,

"MSAAProc")

   End Sub


   Public Function Init(wObj, newMessage)

   ' Begin

   Set messageWindow = wObj

   RegisterHotkeys wObj

   ' We only need to hook events for new messages

   myMSAAEventSource.Window = messageWindow

   If newMessage Then

   msaaEvents(msaaEvents.Count + 1) =

ConnectEventWithParameter(myMSAAEventSource, "OnObjectFocus",

msaaEventProxy, event_OBJECT_FOCUS)

   msaaEvents

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Tom,

I guess you are right and in the end I will have to follow his advice. I did
include a copy of the error message in my last message. I pasted it below my
message after the row of dashes. The error message only occurs after I have
pressed Control+n for writing a new message, then  Alt+s to send it. It does
not occur if I reply to a message.

Thanks for trying to help.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:03 AM
To: David via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: email

Peter,

I would do as David says below. If nothing fixes it just copy and paste
the error message here. If nothing else we can just stick an error check
on the line and tell it to continue and ignore the message. But knowing
the error might allow us to fix it even though we're not using the
program and script.

Regards,
Tom


On 11/10/2019 9:38 PM, David via Talk wrote:

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild
guessing.


Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four
choices:

ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the
last

option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function

properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.


I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who

understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script

which is supposed to be re-edited.



' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships
with

this package.

Option Explicit


Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.xml"

Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.ini"

Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)

Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =

"
http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
"

Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False

Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False

Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing

Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing

Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing

Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")


Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing

Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0

Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""

Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing

Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0

Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing

Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0

Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0


Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing

Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0

Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBraille = 0

Dim myBrailleObj : Set myBrailleObj = Nothing

Dim firstLetterNavStr : firstLetterNavStr = ""

Dim keyPressTimer : keyPressTimer = 0


Const TIMER_AUTOCOMPLETE = 1000

Const GRAPHIC_PREFIX = "GRAPHIC_"


Class MessageWindowClass

Private toField

Private autoCompleteSelected

Private myMSAAEventSource

Private autoCompleteEntries

Private myHotkeys

Priv

Re: email

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Peter,

I would do as David says below. If nothing fixes it just copy and paste 
the error message here. If nothing else we can just stick an error check 
on the line and tell it to continue and ignore the message. But knowing 
the error might allow us to fix it even though we're not using the 
program and script.


Regards,
Tom


On 11/10/2019 9:38 PM, David via Talk wrote:

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error.
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild guessing.


Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app,
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case,
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
--
Hello all,

I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I
had

no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I
get a

script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four
choices:

ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the
last

option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function

properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.


I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who

understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script

which is supposed to be re-edited.



' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships
with

this package.

Option Explicit


Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.xml"

Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &

"\WindowsLiveMail.ini"

Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)

Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =

"
http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
"

Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False

Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False

Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing

Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing

Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing

Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")


Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing

Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0

Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""

Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing

Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0

Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing

Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0

Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0


Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing

Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0

Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBraille = 0

Dim myBrailleObj : Set myBrailleObj = Nothing

Dim firstLetterNavStr : firstLetterNavStr = ""

Dim keyPressTimer : keyPressTimer = 0


Const TIMER_AUTOCOMPLETE = 1000

Const GRAPHIC_PREFIX = "GRAPHIC_"


Class MessageWindowClass

    Private toField

    Private autoCompleteSelected

    Private myMSAAEventSource

    Private autoCompleteEntries

    Private myHotkeys

    Private messageWindow

    Private msaaEvents

    Private timers

    Private startTimerProxy

    Private hotkeyProxy

    Private msaaEventProxy


    Public Sub Class_Initialize()


    ' Begin

    Set toField = Nothing

    Set autoCompleteSelected = Nothing

    Set myMSAAEventSource = MSAAEventSource

    Set autoCompleteEntries = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

    Set myHotkeys = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

    Set msaaEvents = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

    Set timers = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")

    Set startTimerProxy = (New SingleParameterProxyCla

RE: email

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

FgQUchQRcYoquAN+2ATKzxpTAuW/

'' SIG '' GkQwEQYJYIZIAYb4QgEBBAQDAgQQMBYGCisGAQQBgjcC

'' SIG '' ARsECDAGAQEAAQH/MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4IBAQCa

'' SIG '' +lsppq/uH5TvbHZAY71rRxHA5DvZX4nQVOwjRkIJmtuM

'' SIG '' Vxy4MOBBA9iKmb9i/oQeNAtW7tBb7A3eYP9uxmIW77Hw

'' SIG '' ftq30AGSZyMEZo7F2yuW+V/r8w5H8ZGbzsN+S3snssZT

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'' SIG '' ZSBvbmx5MUUwQwYDVQQDEzxWZXJpU2lnb

Re: email

[net bat via Talk]

mMuMR8wHQYDVQQLExZWZXJpU2lnbiBU

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Re: email

[David via Talk]

What exactly is the error message saying? It usually will tell us what 
does not work, and which line in the scripting code that failed. That 
is, which step in the processing of the script that caused the error. 
Unless we know that, it all will be a matter of more or less wild guessing.


Now, if you happen to have the WEPM file for the script, you might want 
to reinstall the app. If you have not made any user settings in the app, 
if it offers such capability, I generally suggest first uninstalling the 
app altogether, prior to attempting any reinstallation. Should you not 
have the WEPM file, let us see if we might be able to help you out.


Again, wild guessing. Since it worked for you up till recently, it might 
be due to some stuff going on with your computer. Try any Anti-ware you 
have, like AntiSpyware or AntiVirus. Run a full scan of the system. See 
if anything gets better. Sometimes I have seen certain Antiware block 
files from one of the WinEyes apps, so if that is the case, 
reinstallation will not help, since it only will reinstall the file that 
is being blocked. In such cases, checking the blocking list in your 
anti-ware might be a good idea.


Don't use the software in question, so sorry for not being able to give 
you any further assistance here. Next time the error pops on you, would 
you mind try copy it and let the list know what it says?



David

On 11/11/2019 3:18 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I made some mistakes in my last message so I am sending it again.
> --
> Hello all,
>
> I use WLM as my e-mail client on a Windows 8.1 machine and WE 9.5.4. I 
> had
>
> no trouble with this client until just over a month ago. Since then, I 
> get a
>
> script error message after sending out an e-mail message.I get four 
> choices:
>
> ignore error, stop App, edit App or restart App. I have to choose the 
> last
>
> option if I want to continue using WLM. However, WLM doesn't function
>
> properly unless I either reload WE or get out of WLM and then go back in.
>
>
> I hope someone can suggest a remedy for this problem. For those who
>
> understand script writing (which I don't), I include a copy of the script
>
> which is supposed to be re-edited.
>
> 
>
> ' For license information, see WindowsLiveMail License.txt which ships 
> with
>
> this package.
>
> Option Explicit
>
>
> Dim myXMLFile : myXMLFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &
>
> "\WindowsLiveMail.xml"
>
> Dim myINIFile : myINIFile = ClientInformation.ScriptPath &
>
> "\WindowsLiveMail.ini"
>
> Dim myStrings : Set myStrings = Strings(myXMLFile)
>
> Dim myScriptUpdateURL : myScriptUpdateURL =
>
> "
> http://www.gwmicro.com/scripts/windows_live_mail/xml
> "
>
> Dim checkedForUpdates : checkedForUpdates = False
>
> Dim errorReportingEnabled : errorReportingEnabled = False
>
> Dim SO_StandardHelpDialog : Set SO_StandardHelpDialog = Nothing
>
> Dim SO_CheckForUpdate : Set SO_CheckForUpdate = Nothing
>
> Dim SO_ErrorReporting : Set SO_ErrorReporting = Nothing
>
> Dim fsObj : Set fsObj = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
>
> Dim messageWindow : Set messageWindow = Nothing
>
> Dim setFileActiveEvent : setFileActiveEvent = 0
>
> Dim lastSpoken : lastSpoken = ""
>
> Dim blockedFocusEvent : Set blockedFocusEvent = Nothing
>
> Dim msaaFocusEvent : msaaFocusEvent = 0
>
> Dim myMSAAEventSource : Set myMSAAEventSource = Nothing
>
> Dim contactHwnd : contactHwnd = 0
>
> Dim fieldDataEvent : fieldDataEvent = 0
>
>
> Dim myMoveMessageHotkey : Set myMoveMessageHotkey = Nothing
>
> Dim myKeyDownEvent : myKeyDownEvent = 0
>
> Dim keyProcessedDownEventForBraille : keyProcessedDownEventForBraille = 0
>
> Dim myBrailleObj : Set myBrailleObj = Nothing
>
> Dim firstLetterNavStr : firstLetterNavStr = ""
>
> Dim keyPressTimer : keyPressTimer = 0
>
>
> Const TIMER_AUTOCOMPLETE = 1000
>
> Const GRAPHIC_PREFIX = "GRAPHIC_"
>
>
> Class MessageWindowClass
>
>    Private toField
>
>    Private autoCompleteSelected
>
>    Private myMSAAEventSource
>
>    Private autoCompleteEntries
>
>    Private myHotkeys
>
>    Private messageWindow
>
>    Private msaaEvents
>
>    Private timers
>
>    Private startTimerProxy
>
>    Private hotkeyProxy
>
>    Private msaaEventProxy
>
>
>    Public Sub Class_Initialize()
>
>
>    ' Begin
>
>    Set toField = Nothing
>
>    Set autoCompleteSelected = Nothing
>
>    Set myMSAAEventSource = MSAAEventSource
>
>    Set autoCompleteEntries = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")
>
>    Set myHotkeys = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")
>
>    Set msaaEvents = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")
>
>    Set timers = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")
>
>    Set startTimerProxy = (New SingleParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,
>
> "TimerProc")
>
>    Set hotkeyProxy = (New DualParameterProxyClass).Init(Me,
>
> "HotkeyProc")
>
>    Set msaaEventProxy = (New DualP

Re: email

[peter Chin via Talk]

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RE: email

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Tony and others, there's an E-mail app I'd like to have tested.  No, I
didn't write it, yikes, not too good at writing my own name let alone create
an app, 

Ok, the E-mail app is called BlueMail.  I tried playing with it, but I was
hitting brickwalls.  I suspect there's something I was doing wrong, but I
can't put a finger on it.  So, may be if others help test, they'll discover
my silly errors and I can be a happy camper deploying the app.

You can find a Windows version at:

www.bluemail.com

The Mobile version, which has ensconced itself on my Shiny Android Toys,
work superbly well.  

Ok, I'll go continue to cheer Notre Dame U to victory whilst I await better
findings on this app than I had succeeded in doing.  Gracious thanks one and
all!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: email

[net bat via Talk]

the biggest risk is the user.
clicking on links in the message and opening attachments. opening auvious spam 
mail etc.
i don't know where to download the off line installation for wlm. but this 
should install without microsofts permission. grin.
as far as google they want you to think that every email client is a security 
risk except there own products.
you have to log into your google account and go to your security settings and 
check the options to allow unsecure programs before you can send and recieve 
google mail. google will block you if you don't do this.

this applies to wlm,thunderbird and severl versions of outlook.


-Original Message- 
From: tony c via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 12:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tony c
Subject: RE: email

I have a gmail account and it does work but there’s a lot of crap on the screen 
that I really don’t want to weed thru everytime I was to check my email. Lol. I 
don’t think you can download WLM anymore and it isn’t supported so there’s a 
security risk.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 1:26 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: email

I use WLM successfully with Jaws and Window-eyes both and it is free.

Lots of blind folks use gmail successfully, and it is also free.

-Bob Ringwald



-Original Message- 
From: tony c via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 10:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tony c
Subject: RE: email

It doesn’t work well with Jaws either, It’s useable but that about all I”ll
say for it.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 11:01 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Steve Jacobson
Subject: RE: email

Tony,

I know of others using Windows Mail with some success with other screen
readers.  Have you tried it with NVDA or Narrator to see if you have the
same issues that you are having with Window-Eyes?  One of the issues that
will be faced for certain at some point is that other screen readers are
doing a lot on an on-going basis to keep up with changes to programs like
Outlook, and even Window-Eyes is still using a lot of the work done in the
past.  It is possible that some aspects of Windows Mail could work better
with the right Window-Eyes "app" but it isn't that easy to make that happen
now.

The Becky email program is not free but is only something like $35 and there
is no charge for upgrades.  You have to change a few settings and the
interface is a little different but I believe it is still working with
Window-Eyes.  That might be worth a look and they have a trial period.  You
can check out

http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm#download

but remember you have to disable the "Line Pointer" in the "edit" tab of
"general Setup and also the "Four Way Cursor" option in the Message tab of
the same dialog.  This simply means unchecking the associated check boxes.
That program is still being updated but their updates seem to be very
carefully done.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 7:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: email

Hi Darrell,

Thunderbird worked great for me until Window-Eyes stopped tracking the
cursor.
This was the second email client which did this to me.
The previous one was Windows Live Mail.
Since I switched to Office 365 Outlook, this has not happened.
I know that Office 365 costs money on an ongoing basis, but Microsoft
regularly improves its accessibility, and so staying with it gives you the
best opportunity to use accessible email software on Windows and the Apple
Mac.
I know, I say this all the time. Smile

With respect,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: November 7, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: email

How about thunderbird?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of tony c via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little
of anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail
program that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


joseph hudson

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support

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Telephone/what's up messenger

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RE: email

[tony c via Talk]

I have a gmail account and it does work but there’s a lot of crap on the screen 
that I really don’t want to weed thru everytime I was to check my email. Lol. I 
don’t think you can download WLM anymore and it isn’t supported so there’s a 
security risk.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 1:26 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: email

I use WLM successfully with Jaws and Window-eyes both and it is free.

Lots of blind folks use gmail successfully, and it is also free.

-Bob Ringwald



-Original Message- 
From: tony c via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 10:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tony c
Subject: RE: email

It doesn’t work well with Jaws either, It’s useable but that about all I”ll
say for it.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 11:01 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Steve Jacobson
Subject: RE: email

Tony,

I know of others using Windows Mail with some success with other screen
readers.  Have you tried it with NVDA or Narrator to see if you have the
same issues that you are having with Window-Eyes?  One of the issues that
will be faced for certain at some point is that other screen readers are
doing a lot on an on-going basis to keep up with changes to programs like
Outlook, and even Window-Eyes is still using a lot of the work done in the
past.  It is possible that some aspects of Windows Mail could work better
with the right Window-Eyes "app" but it isn't that easy to make that happen
now.

The Becky email program is not free but is only something like $35 and there
is no charge for upgrades.  You have to change a few settings and the
interface is a little different but I believe it is still working with
Window-Eyes.  That might be worth a look and they have a trial period.  You
can check out

http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm#download

but remember you have to disable the "Line Pointer" in the "edit" tab of
"general Setup and also the "Four Way Cursor" option in the Message tab of
the same dialog.  This simply means unchecking the associated check boxes.
That program is still being updated but their updates seem to be very
carefully done.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 7:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: email

Hi Darrell,

Thunderbird worked great for me until Window-Eyes stopped tracking the
cursor.
This was the second email client which did this to me.
The previous one was Windows Live Mail.
Since I switched to Office 365 Outlook, this has not happened.
I know that Office 365 costs money on an ongoing basis, but Microsoft
regularly improves its accessibility, and so staying with it gives you the
best opportunity to use accessible email software on Windows and the Apple
Mac.
I know, I say this all the time. Smile

With respect,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: November 7, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: email

How about thunderbird?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of tony c via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little
of anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail
program that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


joseph hudson

Technology support for the blind or better known as Mack, IOS and Windows
support

FaceTime, iMessage, and email

jhud7...@twc.com

Telephone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency cell

254-813-2461

Twitter
https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fjosephhudson89&data=02%7C01%7C%7C189928bea7cf4f8e506008d7651730d7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637089022583985116&sdata=8GD34%2FP%2B0ax%2BBEPBBYLO%2BdA7G0uNGs5qouF1wtMhb%2FM%3D&reserved=0

Facebook

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> On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk 
> wrote:
>
> Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows
> 10, it is useable but just barely. Lol Tony
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>

Re: email

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

I use WLM successfully with Jaws and Window-eyes both and it is free.

Lots of blind folks use gmail successfully, and it is also free.

-Bob Ringwald



-Original Message- 
From: tony c via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 10:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tony c
Subject: RE: email

It doesn’t work well with Jaws either, It’s useable but that about all I”ll
say for it.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 11:01 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Steve Jacobson
Subject: RE: email

Tony,

I know of others using Windows Mail with some success with other screen
readers.  Have you tried it with NVDA or Narrator to see if you have the
same issues that you are having with Window-Eyes?  One of the issues that
will be faced for certain at some point is that other screen readers are
doing a lot on an on-going basis to keep up with changes to programs like
Outlook, and even Window-Eyes is still using a lot of the work done in the
past.  It is possible that some aspects of Windows Mail could work better
with the right Window-Eyes "app" but it isn't that easy to make that happen
now.

The Becky email program is not free but is only something like $35 and there
is no charge for upgrades.  You have to change a few settings and the
interface is a little different but I believe it is still working with
Window-Eyes.  That might be worth a look and they have a trial period.  You
can check out

http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm#download

but remember you have to disable the "Line Pointer" in the "edit" tab of
"general Setup and also the "Four Way Cursor" option in the Message tab of
the same dialog.  This simply means unchecking the associated check boxes.
That program is still being updated but their updates seem to be very
carefully done.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 7:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: email

Hi Darrell,

Thunderbird worked great for me until Window-Eyes stopped tracking the
cursor.
This was the second email client which did this to me.
The previous one was Windows Live Mail.
Since I switched to Office 365 Outlook, this has not happened.
I know that Office 365 costs money on an ongoing basis, but Microsoft
regularly improves its accessibility, and so staying with it gives you the
best opportunity to use accessible email software on Windows and the Apple
Mac.
I know, I say this all the time. Smile

With respect,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: November 7, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: email

How about thunderbird?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of tony c via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little
of anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail
program that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


joseph hudson

Technology support for the blind or better known as Mack, IOS and Windows
support

FaceTime, iMessage, and email

jhud7...@twc.com

Telephone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency cell

254-813-2461

Twitter
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Facebook

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On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk 
wrote:

Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows
10, it is useable but just barely. Lol Tony

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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RE: email

[tony c via Talk]

It doesn’t work well with Jaws either, It’s useable but that about all I”ll say 
for it.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 11:01 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Steve Jacobson
Subject: RE: email

Tony,

I know of others using Windows Mail with some success with other screen 
readers.  Have you tried it with NVDA or Narrator to see if you have the same 
issues that you are having with Window-Eyes?  One of the issues that will be 
faced for certain at some point is that other screen readers are doing a lot on 
an on-going basis to keep up with changes to programs like Outlook, and even 
Window-Eyes is still using a lot of the work done in the past.  It is possible 
that some aspects of Windows Mail could work better with the right Window-Eyes 
"app" but it isn't that easy to make that happen now.  

The Becky email program is not free but is only something like $35 and there is 
no charge for upgrades.  You have to change a few settings and the interface is 
a little different but I believe it is still working with Window-Eyes.  That 
might be worth a look and they have a trial period.  You can check out

http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm#download

but remember you have to disable the "Line Pointer" in the "edit" tab of 
"general Setup and also the "Four Way Cursor" option in the Message tab of the 
same dialog.  This simply means unchecking the associated check boxes.  That 
program is still being updated but their updates seem to be very carefully done.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 7:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: email

Hi Darrell,

Thunderbird worked great for me until Window-Eyes stopped tracking the cursor.
This was the second email client which did this to me.
The previous one was Windows Live Mail.
Since I switched to Office 365 Outlook, this has not happened.
I know that Office 365 costs money on an ongoing basis, but Microsoft regularly 
improves its accessibility, and so staying with it gives you the best 
opportunity to use accessible email software on Windows and the Apple Mac.
I know, I say this all the time. Smile

With respect,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: November 7, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: email

How about thunderbird?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
tony c via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little of 
anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail program 
that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


joseph hudson

Technology support for the blind or better known as Mack, IOS and Windows 
support 

FaceTime, iMessage, and email

jhud7...@twc.com

Telephone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency cell

254-813-2461

Twitter
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> On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 10, 
> it is useable but just barely. Lol Tony
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
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RE: email

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

Tony,

I know of others using Windows Mail with some success with other screen 
readers.  Have you tried it with NVDA or Narrator to see if you have the same 
issues that you are having with Window-Eyes?  One of the issues that will be 
faced for certain at some point is that other screen readers are doing a lot on 
an on-going basis to keep up with changes to programs like Outlook, and even 
Window-Eyes is still using a lot of the work done in the past.  It is possible 
that some aspects of Windows Mail could work better with the right Window-Eyes 
"app" but it isn't that easy to make that happen now.  

The Becky email program is not free but is only something like $35 and there is 
no charge for upgrades.  You have to change a few settings and the interface is 
a little different but I believe it is still working with Window-Eyes.  That 
might be worth a look and they have a trial period.  You can check out

http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm#download

but remember you have to disable the "Line Pointer" in the "edit" tab of 
"general Setup and also the "Four Way Cursor" option in the Message tab of the 
same dialog.  This simply means unchecking the associated check boxes.  That 
program is still being updated but their updates seem to be very carefully done.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 7:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: email

Hi Darrell,

Thunderbird worked great for me until Window-Eyes stopped tracking the cursor.
This was the second email client which did this to me.
The previous one was Windows Live Mail.
Since I switched to Office 365 Outlook, this has not happened.
I know that Office 365 costs money on an ongoing basis, but Microsoft regularly 
improves its accessibility, and so staying with it gives you the best 
opportunity to use accessible email software on Windows and the Apple Mac.
I know, I say this all the time. Smile

With respect,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: November 7, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: email

How about thunderbird?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
tony c via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little of 
anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail program 
that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


joseph hudson

Technology support for the blind or better known as Mack, IOS and Windows 
support 

FaceTime, iMessage, and email

jhud7...@twc.com

Telephone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency cell

254-813-2461

Twitter
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> On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 10, 
> it is useable but just barely. Lol Tony
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
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> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
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Re: email

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

That's not necessarily true, though, because windows live mail is free, even 
though microsoft doesn't support it anymore, and that's what I'm using right 
this minute to email you.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: tony c via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 9:05 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tony c
Subject: RE: email

Hi, The thing here that I see is that in order for us using adaptive 
technology, being able touse an email program means we have to pay for it, 
when the rest of the “sighted” world uses dozens of them for free. I 
strongly disagree with this logic. It’s certainly not equal access. I only 
need a email program, don’t give a rat’s rear end about a Microsoft office 
or any of that. Tony


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 7:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: email

Hi Darrell,

Thunderbird worked great for me until Window-Eyes stopped tracking the 
cursor.

This was the second email client which did this to me.
The previous one was Windows Live Mail.
Since I switched to Office 365 Outlook, this has not happened.
I know that Office 365 costs money on an ongoing basis, but Microsoft 
regularly improves its accessibility, and so staying with it gives you the 
best opportunity to use accessible email software on Windows and the Apple 
Mac.

I know, I say this all the time. Smile

With respect,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk

Sent: November 7, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: email

How about thunderbird?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf 
Of tony c via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little 
of anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail 
program that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


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Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 
10, it is useable but just barely. Lol Tony


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Re: email

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Really?  I can still use window eyes with windows live mail, and I haven't 
noticed a difference.  So I don't know what you mean about window eyes 
stopped tracking the cursor.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 8:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: email

Hi Darrell,

Thunderbird worked great for me until Window-Eyes stopped tracking the 
cursor.

This was the second email client which did this to me.
The previous one was Windows Live Mail.
Since I switched to Office 365 Outlook, this has not happened.
I know that Office 365 costs money on an ongoing basis, but Microsoft 
regularly improves its accessibility, and so staying with it gives you the 
best opportunity to use accessible email software on Windows and the Apple 
Mac.

I know, I say this all the time. Smile

With respect,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk

Sent: November 7, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: email

How about thunderbird?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf 
Of tony c via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little 
of anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail 
program that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


joseph hudson

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On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk  
wrote:


Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 
10, it is useable but just barely. Lol Tony


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RE: email

[tony c via Talk]

Hi, The thing here that I see is that in order for us using adaptive 
technology, being able touse an email program means we have to pay for it, when 
the rest of the “sighted” world uses dozens of them for free. I strongly 
disagree with this logic. It’s certainly not equal access. I only need a email 
program, don’t give a rat’s rear end about a Microsoft office or any of that. 
Tony

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 7:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: email

Hi Darrell,

Thunderbird worked great for me until Window-Eyes stopped tracking the cursor.
This was the second email client which did this to me.
The previous one was Windows Live Mail.
Since I switched to Office 365 Outlook, this has not happened.
I know that Office 365 costs money on an ongoing basis, but Microsoft regularly 
improves its accessibility, and so staying with it gives you the best 
opportunity to use accessible email software on Windows and the Apple Mac.
I know, I say this all the time. Smile

With respect,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: November 7, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: email

How about thunderbird?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
tony c via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little of 
anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail program 
that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


joseph hudson

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support 

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> On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk  
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> 
> Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 10, 
> it is useable but just barely. Lol Tony
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RE: email

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Darrell,

Thunderbird worked great for me until Window-Eyes stopped tracking the cursor.
This was the second email client which did this to me.
The previous one was Windows Live Mail.
Since I switched to Office 365 Outlook, this has not happened.
I know that Office 365 costs money on an ongoing basis, but Microsoft regularly 
improves its accessibility, and so staying with it gives you the best 
opportunity to use accessible email software on Windows and the Apple Mac.
I know, I say this all the time. Smile

With respect,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: November 7, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: email

How about thunderbird?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
tony c via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little of 
anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail program 
that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


joseph hudson

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> On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 10, 
> it is useable but just barely. Lol Tony
> 
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RE: email

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

How about thunderbird?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
tony c via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little of 
anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail program 
that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


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> Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 10, 
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Re: email

[Martha via Talk]

Hi - 

I am a bit phobic about ribbons and wanted an email client with a simple
drop-down menu.
I've been using BECKY! as my email client for several years. It works
well, except for some problems displaying some html items.
I've tried different settings, but, some emails just don't give me the
info I need after downloading them from XFINITY. I'm actually getting
ready to try Outlook or some other email client.
I'm using a Windows 10 PC.
Here is the link to RimArts, the developer of BECKY!. And, yes, the ".jp"
extension in the url stands for Japan.

http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm
-- 
Martha 

On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 19:12:44 -0600
tony c via Talk  wrote:

 I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little 
of anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail 
program that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.
 
 Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
 From: joseph hudson via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: joseph hudson
 Subject: Re: email
 
 Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.
 
 
 joseph hudson
 
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support 
 
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 Telephone/what's up messenger
 
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 > On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk  
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 > 
 > Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 10, 
 > it is useable but just barely. Lol Tony
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RE: email

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

The problem is, at least for me, that you can't purchase becky or something.  
And, I couldn't get becky to display my msn email.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Martha via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:46 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Martha 
Subject: Re: email

Hi - 

I am a bit phobic about ribbons and wanted an email client with a simple 
drop-down menu.
I've been using BECKY! as my email client for several years. It works well, 
except for some problems displaying some html items.
I've tried different settings, but, some emails just don't give me the info I 
need after downloading them from XFINITY. I'm actually getting ready to try 
Outlook or some other email client.
I'm using a Windows 10 PC.
Here is the link to RimArts, the developer of BECKY!. And, yes, the ".jp"
extension in the url stands for Japan.

https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rimarts.co.jp%2Fbecky.htm&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf4988c59a058458302c508d763ed78f5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637087743891428470&sdata=jQGa0I6FJV1Pa566GIuGurH8FJrSJ%2FD9KOF75G0o09k%3D&reserved=0
--
Martha 

On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 19:12:44 -0600
tony c via Talk  wrote:

 I know outlook is accessible, but I don't need office 365. I use very little 
of anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail 
program that's with win 10. I do use it but it's not totally accessible.
 
 Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
 From: joseph hudson via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: joseph hudson
 Subject: Re: email
 
 Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.
 
 
 joseph hudson
 
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support 
 
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 Facebook
 
 
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 > On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk  
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RE: email

[tony c via Talk]

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little of 
anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail program 
that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


joseph hudson

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> On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk  
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> Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 10, 
> it is useable but just barely. Lol Tony
> 
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Re: email

[joseph hudson via Talk]

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


joseph hudson

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> On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk  
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> 
> Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 10, 
> it is useable but just barely. Lol Tony
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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RE: Email List

[Pastor Gil Pries via Talk]

Thanks,

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:10 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Dennis Long 
Subject: RE: Email List

Its 
windoweyesusers+subscr...@groups.io

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Pastol Gil via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:48 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Cc: Pastol Gil
Subject: Email List

Dennis,

 

Can you send me a link to subscribe to Window-EyesUsers email list?

I have a new email address to need to subscribe.

 

Thanks,

 

Pastor Gil

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RE: Email List

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Its 
windoweyesusers+subscr...@groups.io

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Pastol Gil via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:48 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Cc: Pastol Gil
Subject: Email List

Dennis,

 

Can you send me a link to subscribe to Window-EyesUsers email list?

I have a new email address to need to subscribe.

 

Thanks,

 

Pastor Gil

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Re: email question

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Kim:

There should be a checkbox in the options dialog where you can choose
to bnot include original message with your reply.
Kevin Huber


On 3/2/17, Kim Lingo via Talk  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I just realized that when I bring up Windows Live Mail, I don’t get the set
> file that’ supposed to be associated with this.  I’m not sure whether this
> is related, but when I try to get rid of sender information when I want to
> forward something, I can’t.  I can only forward the email as is.  I’ve tried
> selecting the text using control-shift-up arrow, or down arrow (at the top
> of the file), and when I try to copy with Control-c, or to cut-and-paste the
> file with control-shift-v, nothing happens.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas about this.  I’m using Windows 7 with Window-Eyes
> free version 9.5.4.  I also added the last update, or patch, or whatever
> that was.
> Thanks,
> Kim Lingo
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Re: email question

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

Try placing the cursor at the beginning of what you want to delete and then
hold down ctrl shift. then use  right arrow to go through what you want to
delete. When done, hit delete.

If you have just opened the email and want to copy part or all of it, put
your cursor at the beginning of what you want to copy and hit F8. then put
your cursor at the end of what you want to copy and hit F8 again.

Using your arrow keys, you can read a short menu. but, just hit the letter c 
and the text is copied to your clip board.


then go to where you want it and hit ctrl v.

I hope I got all the commands correct. Its hard to relate them unless I am 
actually doing them at the time.


-bob ringwald


-Original Message- 
From: Kim Lingo via Talk

Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 12:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: email question

Hi everyone,
I just realized that when I bring up Windows Live Mail, I don’t get the set
file that’ supposed to be associated with this.  I’m not sure whether this
is related, but when I try to get rid of sender information when I want to
forward something, I can’t.  I can only forward the email as is.  I’ve tried
selecting the text using control-shift-up arrow, or down arrow (at the top
of the file), and when I try to copy with Control-c, or to cut-and-paste the
file with control-shift-v, nothing happens.

Does anyone have any ideas about this.  I’m using Windows 7 with Window-Eyes
free version 9.5.4.  I also added the last update, or patch, or whatever
that was.
Thanks,
Kim Lingo
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Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I use Becky! because I can go through a lot of mail in a hurry if needed,
or even display mail with html formatting using it's ability through IE
to properly display it, and the filters work for handling mail into
separate mailboxes automatically.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 05:58:34 -0800
Dave via Talk  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
> an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
> opinion?  
> 
> I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.  
> 
> I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
> Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
> the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
> retired Eudora.  
> 
> Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
> Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
> if WLM is quick and simple to use.  
> 
> The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
> Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
> it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
> check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.
> 
> And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago. 
> Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.   
> I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
> Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.  
> 
> However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
> any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.  
> Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
> in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
> the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
> areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.  
> 
> 
> And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
> them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?  
> 
> Thanks for any opinions.  
> 
> Grumpy Dave
>   
> 
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Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

[daniel udell via Talk]

   Hi Rod;
Could you provide hints on how to best use outlook 365?
   Dan


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 1:53 PM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Email programs, Your Choice?

Hi Dave,

I subscribe to Office 365, and unless Outlook becomes so unusable that I
have to change to something else, it will be the email client I use for
ever.  Over the past year or so, I've seen it improve steadily in terms of
accessibility.

Hth,

Rod

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:59 AM
To: A I Squared Support 
Subject: Email programs, Your Choice?

Hello,

For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
opinion?

I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.

I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
retired Eudora.

Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
if WLM is quick and simple to use.

The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.

And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago.
Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.
I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.

However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.
Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.


And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?

Thanks for any opinions.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Pam,

I would be very glad if you could show me how I can get the spellcheck in 
Windows Live Mail to work. It remains firmly disabled no matter what I do.


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 7:55 AM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

Outlook express was the first email program I ever used, and my favorite.
Other than that, I have used windows mail, and now use windows live mail.
They'll pass, but they still don't completely compare to what outlook
express used to be.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:58 AM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: Email programs, Your Choice?

Hello,

For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
opinion?

I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.

I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
retired Eudora.

Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
if WLM is quick and simple to use.

The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.

And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago.
Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.
I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.

However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.
Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.


And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?

Thanks for any opinions.

Grumpy Dave


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RE: Email programs, Your Choice?

[anthony borg via Talk]

Hi dave 

I've been using outlook ms 13" for almost 4 years and I found it very good. 

Regards 

Anthony 

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From: Talk
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Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: 12 January 2017 14:59
To: A I Squared Support 
Subject: Email programs, Your Choice?

Hello,

For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have an
opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that opinion?


I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.  

I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
retired Eudora.  

Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that Windows
Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it, if WLM is
quick and simple to use.  

The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about it.
Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might check it
out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.

And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago. 
Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.   
I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall, Thunderbird
doesn't give much in the way of a list.  

However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if any
here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.  
Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than in
the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read the
screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into areas the
Screen Reader doesn't read etc.  


And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use them,
and like them, would you tell me about them as well?  

Thanks for any opinions.  

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

[michaels mail via Talk]

I agree Pam i use to use out look express on my XP machines it was ferfect 
and never crashed.

I found it the best.
But now i use WLM and have crashes ofeen.
I have been thinking of muying microsoft word 2016 it comes with out look.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 10:55 AM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

Outlook express was the first email program I ever used, and my favorite.
Other than that, I have used windows mail, and now use windows live mail.
They'll pass, but they still don't completely compare to what outlook
express used to be.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:58 AM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: Email programs, Your Choice?

Hello,

For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
opinion?

I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.

I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
retired Eudora.

Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
if WLM is quick and simple to use.

The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.

And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago.
Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.
I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.

However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.
Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.


And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?

Thanks for any opinions.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: email, your choice

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Windows mail is not supported, but windows live mail can still work fine. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 7:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: email, your choice

Outlook express would still be my choice, then Windows Mail. Now that
I'm using windows ten I'm using Thunderbird. Don't like it, but It'll
work. Windows Live is no longer supported and never liked Outlook.
Couldn't get Becky mail to work on my system either.
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Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

[Patricia Krinke via Talk]

Rod,

Thank you for participating fully in our questions and outbursts.  You are a 
wise gentleman and very much apppreciated,


Trish Krinke

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 12:53 PM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Email programs, Your Choice?

Hi Dave,

I subscribe to Office 365, and unless Outlook becomes so unusable that I 
have to change to something else, it will be the email client I use for 
ever.  Over the past year or so, I've seen it improve steadily in terms of 
accessibility.

Hth,

Rod

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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:59 AM
To: A I Squared Support 
Subject: Email programs, Your Choice?

Hello,

For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
opinion?

I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.

I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
retired Eudora.

Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
if WLM is quick and simple to use.

The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.

And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago.
Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.
I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.

However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.
Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.


And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?

Thanks for any opinions.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Outlook express was the first email program I ever used, and my favorite. 
Other than that, I have used windows mail, and now use windows live mail. 
They'll pass, but they still don't completely compare to what outlook 
express used to be.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:58 AM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: Email programs, Your Choice?

Hello,

For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
opinion?

I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.

I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
retired Eudora.

Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
if WLM is quick and simple to use.

The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.

And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago.
Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.
I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.

However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.
Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.


And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?

Thanks for any opinions.

Grumpy Dave


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RE: Email programs, Your Choice?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Dave,

I subscribe to Office 365, and unless Outlook becomes so unusable that I have 
to change to something else, it will be the email client I use for ever.  Over 
the past year or so, I've seen it improve steadily in terms of accessibility.

Hth,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:59 AM
To: A I Squared Support 
Subject: Email programs, Your Choice?

Hello,

For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
opinion?  

I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.  

I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
retired Eudora.  

Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
if WLM is quick and simple to use.  

The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.

And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago. 
Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.   
I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.  

However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.  
Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.  


And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?  

Thanks for any opinions.  

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

[john s via Talk]

Eudora still works for me, using win 7 pro.


earlier, Kevin Huber via Talk, wrote:

Hi Dave:

Right now, I use Windows Live Mail.  I used to use it, but I switched
to Outlook 2013 fora while.  The problem was that I could not send
messages, I could only read incoming messages, and noone could figure
out the problem so I used the website of our local provider but it was
too frustrating to navigate so I went back to WLM.  Even if it will no
longer be supported, I will still use it, at least for the time being.
I tried Thunderbird a few years ago, but I found it to be two chatty
and Their seems to be a lot of complants about it on this list.

Kevin Huber

On 1/12/17, Dave via Talk  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
> an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
> opinion?
>
> I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.
>
> I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
> Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
> the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
> retired Eudora.
>
> Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
> Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
> if WLM is quick and simple to use.
>
> The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
> Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
> it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
> check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.
>
> And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago.
> Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.
> I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
> Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.
>
> However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
> any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.
> Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
> in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
> the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
> areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.
>
>
> And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
> them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?
>
> Thanks for any opinions.
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
> --
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Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

[Charles Adkins via Talk]

To be honest with you, I've become so frustrated with working to make email 
programs work I've gone to gmail and Exchange work account on the web using 
desktop, and Iphone email and outlook program on my phone. Yes, I'll say it, I 
haven't been happy with email on computer since the demise of that grand old 
favorite Outlook Express. It worked, could read everything, never seemed to 
change and was very deppendable. Having said that, my grandfather missed his 
old Nash for a long time; things change and life moves on. Its just that 
sometimes it seems that they just can't resist the tempation to break something 
that already works. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 12, 2017, at 9:50 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave:
> 
> Right now, I use Windows Live Mail.  I used to use it, but I switched
> to Outlook 2013 fora while.  The problem was that I could not send
> messages, I could only read incoming messages, and noone could figure
> out the problem so I used the website of our local provider but it was
> too frustrating to navigate so I went back to WLM.  Even if it will no
> longer be supported, I will still use it, at least for the time being.
> I tried Thunderbird a few years ago, but I found it to be two chatty
> and Their seems to be a lot of complants about it on this list.
> 
> Kevin Huber
> 
>> On 1/12/17, Dave via Talk  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
>> an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
>> opinion?
>> 
>> I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.
>> 
>> I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
>> Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
>> the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
>> retired Eudora.
>> 
>> Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
>> Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
>> if WLM is quick and simple to use.
>> 
>> The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
>> Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
>> it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
>> check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.
>> 
>> And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago.
>> Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.
>> I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
>> Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.
>> 
>> However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
>> any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.
>> Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
>> in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
>> the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
>> areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.
>> 
>> 
>> And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
>> them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?
>> 
>> Thanks for any opinions.
>> 
>> Grumpy Dave
>>
>> 
>> --
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Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Dave:

Right now, I use Windows Live Mail.  I used to use it, but I switched
to Outlook 2013 fora while.  The problem was that I could not send
messages, I could only read incoming messages, and noone could figure
out the problem so I used the website of our local provider but it was
too frustrating to navigate so I went back to WLM.  Even if it will no
longer be supported, I will still use it, at least for the time being.
I tried Thunderbird a few years ago, but I found it to be two chatty
and Their seems to be a lot of complants about it on this list.

Kevin Huber

On 1/12/17, Dave via Talk  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
> an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
> opinion?
>
> I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.
>
> I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
> Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
> the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
> retired Eudora.
>
> Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
> Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
> if WLM is quick and simple to use.
>
> The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
> Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
> it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
> check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.
>
> And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago.
> Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.
> I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
> Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.
>
> However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
> any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.
> Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
> in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
> the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
> areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.
>
>
> And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
> them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?
>
> Thanks for any opinions.
>
> Grumpy Dave
>   
>
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Re: email program recommendation

[Wayne via Talk]

Kim, there's an email program that comes with windows 7, it's called 
winmail. I've been using it for a number of years, it works so well you'd 
think you were using outlook express. Note this will take a little 
configuration on your part. It's very important that  you follow the 
configuration instructions very carefully. This is a link to download the 
configuration package.

WMInW7RepairFiles.zip (1.7 MB).
The download link is:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/qx4fcr
It's easy, but if you need help you can contact me at
greenwoo...@cox.net

Wayne

- Original Message - 
From: "Kim Lingo via Talk" 

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 9:31 PM
Subject: email program recommendation



Hi everyone,
I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have real 
difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to finally 
get a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize that Windows x 
is now out there, but this is the route I'm going to take for now, because 
it's a good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook Express.  I understand that 
this no longer works with Windows 7.  Does anyone have a recommendation 
for a good email program that works well with Window-Eyes and also Windows 
7?

Kim Lingo

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RE: email program recommendation

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

I have been messing around with the bat from ritlabs for a couple of days.
It is interesting, has lots of features and seems to read ok.
One place where it falls down is when writing a new email, the to: cc: and 
subject fields don't read when tabbing through.


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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 4:32 PM
To: Kim Lingo ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: email program recommendation

I use Windows Live Mail. Becky has also been discussed on this list. They 
all have their quirks, but they all work fairly well with Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- 
From: Kim Lingo via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 9:31 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: email program recommendation

Hi everyone,
I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have real
difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to finally
get a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize that Windows x
is now out there, but this is the route I'm going to take for now, because
it's a good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook Express.  I understand that
this no longer works with Windows 7.  Does anyone have a recommendation for
a good email program that works well with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?
Kim Lingo


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Re: email program recommendation

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

I use Windows Live Mail. Becky has also been discussed on this list. They 
all have their quirks, but they all work fairly well with Window-Eyes.


-Original Message- 
From: Kim Lingo via Talk

Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 9:31 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: email program recommendation

Hi everyone,
I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have real
difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to finally
get a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize that Windows x
is now out there, but this is the route I'm going to take for now, because
it's a good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook Express.  I understand that
this no longer works with Windows 7.  Does anyone have a recommendation for
a good email program that works well with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?
Kim Lingo


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Re: email program recommendation

[Tony C via Talk]

I use Windows Live Mail. It has a quirk or two, but I don't have any problem 
using it. with W E


-Original Message- 
From: RJ Sandefur via Talk

Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 9:34 PM
To: Kim Lingo ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: email program recommendation

Thunderbird.


On 7/23/2016 10:31 PM, Kim Lingo via Talk wrote:

Hi everyone,
I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have
real difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to
finally get a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize
that Windows x is now out there, but this is the route I'm going to
take for now, because it's a good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook
Express.  I understand that this no longer works with Windows 7.  Does
anyone have a recommendation for a good email program that works well
with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?
Kim Lingo

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RE: email program recommendation

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Not everyone wants windows10.

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On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 11:00 AM
To: Kim Lingo; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: email program recommendation

Wy not upgrade to Windows 10?  It's free!

I used windows live mail 2012 when I was using windows 7.  I'm Now using it
with windows 10.

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From: Kim Lingo via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 7:31 PM
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Subject: email program recommendation

Hi everyone,
I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have real
difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to finally
get a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize that Windows x
is now out there, but this is the route I'm going to take for now, because
it's a good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook Express.  I understand that
this no longer works with Windows 7.  Does anyone have a recommendation for
a good email program that works well with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?
Kim Lingo


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Re: email program recommendation

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Wy not upgrade to Windows 10?  It's free!

I used windows live mail 2012 when I was using windows 7.  I'm Now using it 
with windows 10.


-Original Message- 
From: Kim Lingo via Talk

Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 7:31 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: email program recommendation

Hi everyone,
I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have real
difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to finally
get a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize that Windows x
is now out there, but this is the route I'm going to take for now, because
it's a good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook Express.  I understand that
this no longer works with Windows 7.  Does anyone have a recommendation for
a good email program that works well with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?
Kim Lingo


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Re: email program recommendation

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

Hi Kim.
I have Windows 7 and have been using Becky email, which costs $40, for a 
one-time cost.  I like it alot.  Although that O.?E. free download looks 
interesting also.



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> Hi everyone,
> I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have real 
> difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to finally get 
> a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize that Windows x is now 
> out there, but this is the route I'm going to take for now, because it's a 
> good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook Express.  I understand that this no 
> longer works with Windows 7.  Does anyone have a recommendation for a good 
> email program that works well with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?
> Kim Lingo 
> 
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Re: email program recommendation

[john s via Talk]

Kim, some of us still use Eudora and even though it is an older, 
orphaned program, it still works.



earlier, Kim Lingo via Talk, wrote:

Hi everyone,
I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have 
real difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided 
to finally get a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I 
realize that Windows x is now out there, but this is the route I'm 
going to take for now, because it's a good deal.  I'm currently 
using Outlook Express.  I understand that this no longer works with 
Windows 7.  Does anyone have a recommendation for a good email 
program that works well with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?

Kim Lingo

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RE: email program recommendation

[John Farley via Talk]

Hi Kim,

A blind man in the UK has a site with various accessible downloads on it
which includes a version of OE which does work with Windows 7 and above. He
also has quite a number of other bits of software which are also quite
useful.

The site is http://www.whitestick.co.uk/



I have used a number of downloads from this site and have found them of use.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



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Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 3:32 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: email program recommendation

Hi everyone,
I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have real 
difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to finally 
get a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize that Windows x 
is now out there, but this is the route I'm going to take for now, because 
it's a good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook Express.  I understand that 
this no longer works with Windows 7.  Does anyone have a recommendation for 
a good email program that works well with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?
Kim Lingo 


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RE: email program recommendation

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Kim,

I can only recommend what I use and have found to be the best for the
reasons I always offer when asked this question.
The current version of Outlook, which comes with an active subscription to
Office 365, will always have the best opportunity to be accessible to all
screen readers because screen reader developers continually work to make it
accessible, as they do for all MS Office products.
The most economical subscription plan for Office 365 is Office 365 Personal,
which allows you to install the Office suite on one computer only.
Here in Canada, I was paying about #6.99 per month for this, although, as of
last November, thanks to a black Friday promotion offered by Microsoft, I
was able to buy an annual subscription to Office 365 Personal for about
$60.00, which comes out to $5.00 per month.
This price is pretty hard to beat, and, as I say, it gives you access to the
current version of the Office suite of applications.
Now, should you need to install Office on more than one PC, then, adding
about $3.00 per month to the cost of a monthly subscription will allow you
to install Office on up to 5 PCs.
Again, you can probably find a deal for an annual subscription as well,
since black Friday isn't too far away. Smile

I hope this helps,

Rod

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Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 10:32 PM
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Subject: email program recommendation

Hi everyone,
I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have real
difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to finally
get a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize that Windows x
is now out there, but this is the route I'm going to take for now, because
it's a good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook Express.  I understand that
this no longer works with Windows 7.  Does anyone have a recommendation for
a good email program that works well with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?
Kim Lingo 


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Re: email program recommendation

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Although unsupported, I have a version of outlook express that runs 
under seven.  If you are interested, write off list to


but...@shellworld.net

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sat, 23 Jul 
2016, Kim Lingo via Talk wrote:



Hi everyone,
I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have real 
difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to finally get 
a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize that Windows x is now 
out there, but this is the route I'm going to take for now, because it's a 
good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook Express.  I understand that this no 
longer works with Windows 7.  Does anyone have a recommendation for a good 
email program that works well with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?
Kim Lingo 


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RE: email program recommendation

[JOHN RIEHL via Talk]

Hi. I'm using Windows-7 and Outlook 2010. I prefer Outlook 2003, that's not
an option. Outlook has many of the same features as Outlook Express and, as
I said, it works well with Windows-7. You'll want to upgrade your copy of
Windoweyes to the latest version, which also works well with Windows-7. 

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+realman02=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 10:45 PM
To: 'Kim Lingo'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: email program recommendation

Windows XP is no longer supported.  Nowadays, new computer use windows 8 and
windows 10.  If you're looking for a pc that uses Windows 7, you're out of
luck.  You'll probably have it specially ordered through Amazon.


Charlie Short

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On Behalf Of Kim Lingo via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 10:32 PM
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Subject: email program recommendation

Hi everyone,
I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have real
difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to finally
get a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize that Windows x
is now out there, but this is the route I'm going to take for now, because
it's a good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook Express.  I understand that
this no longer works with Windows 7.  Does anyone have a recommendation for
a good email program that works well with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?
Kim Lingo 


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RE: email program recommendation

[Charles Short via Talk]

Windows XP is no longer supported.  Nowadays, new computer use windows 8 and
windows 10.  If you're looking for a pc that uses Windows 7, you're out of
luck.  You'll probably have it specially ordered through Amazon.


Charlie Short

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On Behalf Of Kim Lingo via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 10:32 PM
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Subject: email program recommendation

Hi everyone,
I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have real
difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to finally
get a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize that Windows x
is now out there, but this is the route I'm going to take for now, because
it's a good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook Express.  I understand that
this no longer works with Windows 7.  Does anyone have a recommendation for
a good email program that works well with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?
Kim Lingo 


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Re: email program recommendation

[RJ Sandefur via Talk]

Thunderbird.


On 7/23/2016 10:31 PM, Kim Lingo via Talk wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I'm currently using Window-Eyes version 8.4.  I'm starting to have 
> real difficulty with Windows XP and Internet Explorer, so I decided to 
> finally get a newer computer which comes with Windows 7.  I realize 
> that Windows x is now out there, but this is the route I'm going to 
> take for now, because it's a good deal.  I'm currently using Outlook 
> Express.  I understand that this no longer works with Windows 7.  Does 
> anyone have a recommendation for a good email program that works well 
> with Window-Eyes and also Windows 7?
> Kim Lingo
>
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RE: email client

[Tim Grady via Talk]

The only problem I have with it is I can't seem to get the imap smtp server
for google to work.

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Cc: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: email client

I've been using Becky email for several years.  I really like it.  There's a
couple things you uncheck to get it to work with screen readers.  There's a
tutorial available.  Costs $40, but worth it, in my opinion.



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> could anyone suggest a good email client that works well with wineyes.
> I have been using outlook 2003 which  has got crupted which microsoft 
> doesn't support anymore.
> I am using win 7 and the lasest wineyes.
> Many thanks robin.
> 
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Re: email client

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

I've been using Becky email for several years.  I really like it.  There's a 
couple things you uncheck to get it to work with screen readers.  There's a 
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> could anyone suggest a good email client that works well with wineyes.
> I have been using outlook 2003 which  has got crupted which microsoft doesn't
> support anymore.
> I am using win 7 and the lasest wineyes.
> Many thanks robin.
> 
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RE: email client

[Tim Grady via Talk]

Seems to me to look like becky email.

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Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 1:54 PM
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Subject: RE: email client

Is Eudora similar to outlook express?

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Subject: Re: email client

Years ago I was using Eudora then I switched to Outlook. Then I got a
windows 10 machine and I put Eudora in it. Eudora works so well I had to
wonder why I switched, so I took outlook out of my windows 7 machine and put
in Eudora.

At 03:03 AM 3/14/2016, you wrote:
>could anyone suggest a good email client that works well with wineyes.
>I have been using outlook 2003 which  has got crupted which microsoft 
>doesn't support anymore.
>I am using win 7 and the lasest wineyes.
>Many thanks robin.
>
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RE: email client

[john s via Talk]

Dennis, there are some similarities and some differences.


earlier, Dennis Long via Talk, wrote:

Is Eudora similar to outlook express?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of David Pearson via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 6:55 AM
To: Bob ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: email client

Years ago I was using Eudora then I switched to Outlook. Then I got a
windows 10 machine and I put Eudora in it. Eudora works so well I had to
wonder why I switched, so I took outlook out of my windows 7 machine and put
in Eudora.

At 03:03 AM 3/14/2016, you wrote:
>could anyone suggest a good email client that works well with wineyes.
>I have been using outlook 2003 which  has got crupted which microsoft
>doesn't support anymore.
>I am using win 7 and the lasest wineyes.
>Many thanks robin.
>
>
>
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RE: email client

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Is Eudora similar to outlook express?

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On Behalf Of David Pearson via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 6:55 AM
To: Bob ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: email client

Years ago I was using Eudora then I switched to Outlook. Then I got a
windows 10 machine and I put Eudora in it. Eudora works so well I had to
wonder why I switched, so I took outlook out of my windows 7 machine and put
in Eudora.

At 03:03 AM 3/14/2016, you wrote:
>could anyone suggest a good email client that works well with wineyes.
>I have been using outlook 2003 which  has got crupted which microsoft 
>doesn't support anymore.
>I am using win 7 and the lasest wineyes.
>Many thanks robin.
>
>
>
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RE: email client

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Yes ... that's my understanding of the Microsoft program called Office 365.  
This gives you access to all of Office both the web internet, and the Windows 
versions.

My employer has a corporate license, which extends to my use at home, so I 
can't give you exact links and details, but if you query of Office 365 you 
should have no trouble finding it.  I do believe you have to download 
everything, they don't give you physical discs and manuals.

Hth,

Chip





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850-413-6314


-Original Message-
From: Singing Sparrow [mailto:sunsh...@abe.midco.net] 
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 11:28 AM
To: Chip Orange; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Bob
Subject: Re: email client

so what you are saying is if i payed 5 dollars a month i could use 
office for that price unlimited?

On 3/14/2016 10:11 AM, Chip Orange via Talk wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'll put in one vote for updating your Outlook to whatever version you can 
> now get from MS.  Don't know if you are aware, but you don't have to pay a 
> large price up front, you can pay something like $5 a month for Office 365 
> and you get all of the Office programs.
>
> Since you're used to Outlook, and since AI has put so much work into making 
> Outlook work well with WE, why not give it a try?  You also get all the side 
> benefits of calendaring, tasking, etc.  I have to say, I don't know what I'd 
> do without Outlook calendars, since I keep my and my wife's calendars mixed 
> together, and I see them both at home on both of our pcs and at work on both 
> of our pcs, it's really worth learning how to use Outlook calendars I believe.
>
> Hth and good luck,
>
> Chip
>
>
>
>
>
> Chip Orange
> Florida Public Service Commission
> Computer Systems Analyst
> 850-413-6314
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Bob via Talk
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 4:03 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: email client
>
> could anyone suggest a good email client that works well with wineyes.
> I have been using outlook 2003 which  has got crupted which microsoft doesn't
> support anymore.
> I am using win 7 and the lasest wineyes.
> Many thanks robin.
>
>
>
>
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Re: email client

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

so what you are saying is if i payed 5 dollars a month i could use 
office for that price unlimited?


On 3/14/2016 10:11 AM, Chip Orange via Talk wrote:

Hello,

I'll put in one vote for updating your Outlook to whatever version you can now 
get from MS.  Don't know if you are aware, but you don't have to pay a large 
price up front, you can pay something like $5 a month for Office 365 and you 
get all of the Office programs.

Since you're used to Outlook, and since AI has put so much work into making 
Outlook work well with WE, why not give it a try?  You also get all the side 
benefits of calendaring, tasking, etc.  I have to say, I don't know what I'd do 
without Outlook calendars, since I keep my and my wife's calendars mixed 
together, and I see them both at home on both of our pcs and at work on both of 
our pcs, it's really worth learning how to use Outlook calendars I believe.

Hth and good luck,

Chip





Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Bob via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 4:03 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: email client

could anyone suggest a good email client that works well with wineyes.
I have been using outlook 2003 which  has got crupted which microsoft doesn't
support anymore.
I am using win 7 and the lasest wineyes.
Many thanks robin.




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RE: email client

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Hello,

I'll put in one vote for updating your Outlook to whatever version you can now 
get from MS.  Don't know if you are aware, but you don't have to pay a large 
price up front, you can pay something like $5 a month for Office 365 and you 
get all of the Office programs.

Since you're used to Outlook, and since AI has put so much work into making 
Outlook work well with WE, why not give it a try?  You also get all the side 
benefits of calendaring, tasking, etc.  I have to say, I don't know what I'd do 
without Outlook calendars, since I keep my and my wife's calendars mixed 
together, and I see them both at home on both of our pcs and at work on both of 
our pcs, it's really worth learning how to use Outlook calendars I believe.

Hth and good luck,

Chip





Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Bob via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 4:03 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: email client

could anyone suggest a good email client that works well with wineyes.
I have been using outlook 2003 which  has got crupted which microsoft doesn't
support anymore.
I am using win 7 and the lasest wineyes.
Many thanks robin.




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Re: email client

[john s via Talk]

Linda, I have the same setup, except I don't have to wait any time to 
reload WE.  I've used Eudora for years and still like it.  the Lord bless you.



earlier, Linda Mentink via Talk, wrote:

Hi Bob,

I'm running a Windows 7 machine, and I use Eudora. It's the only 
email client I've ever used. I have to close Window-Eyes after 
loading Eudora, then open Window-Eyes in a couple minutes, in order 
to read whether messages are attachments, unread or sent. Otherwise, 
it works very well, and is very user-friendly for the Blind. I have 
a shortcut to the attachment folder on my desktop.


Blessings,

linda

At 03:03 AM 3/14/2016, you wrote:

could anyone suggest a good email client that works well with wineyes.
I have been using outlook 2003 which  has got crupted which microsoft doesn't
support anymore.
I am using win 7 and the lasest wineyes.
Many thanks robin.




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Re: email client

[Linda Mentink via Talk]

Hi Bob,

I'm running a Windows 7 machine, and I use Eudora. It's the only 
email client I've ever used. I have to close Window-Eyes after 
loading Eudora, then open Window-Eyes in a couple minutes, in order 
to read whether messages are attachments, unread or sent. Otherwise, 
it works very well, and is very user-friendly for the Blind. I have a 
shortcut to the attachment folder on my desktop.


Blessings,

linda

At 03:03 AM 3/14/2016, you wrote:

could anyone suggest a good email client that works well with wineyes.
I have been using outlook 2003 which  has got crupted which microsoft doesn't
support anymore.
I am using win 7 and the lasest wineyes.
Many thanks robin.




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Re: email client

[David Pearson via Talk]

Years ago I was using Eudora then I switched to Outlook. Then I got a 
windows 10 machine and I put Eudora in it. Eudora works so well I had 
to wonder why I switched, so I took outlook out of my windows 7 
machine and put in Eudora.


At 03:03 AM 3/14/2016, you wrote:

could anyone suggest a good email client that works well with wineyes.
I have been using outlook 2003 which  has got crupted which microsoft doesn't
support anymore.
I am using win 7 and the lasest wineyes.
Many thanks robin.




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