Re: Some thoughts about bugs

2005-04-21 Thread Liz
Thursday, April 21, 2005, 6:43:04 AM, you wrote: 9 I hope my point was clear enough, but here is a little resume: 9 1. first of all we should respect each others opinion 9 2. bugtracking is done in different levels 9 3. bugs of current beta-serie automatically have higher priority 9

Re[2]: Some thoughts about bugs

2005-04-21 Thread Gleason Pace
Martin, What can we and you do that old and very old bugs are not forgotten... One little example with TheBat: Jumping text in the To field of the editor... Good point about things getting lost in bugtrack. I think part of the problem comes from always working off of lists of perceived most

Re: Minimizing the window

2005-04-21 Thread Tony Boom
Hello Peter, A reminder of what Peter Hampf on TBBETA typed on: 20 April 2005 at 14:40:06 GMT +0200 PH I can confirm that TB is the only program whos window simply disappears PH rather than minimizes animated. Ditto, TB! just vanishes or appears, all my other windows slide up and down to

Re: 3.0.9.17 signed message icon looks bad

2005-04-21 Thread Tony Boom
Hello Alexander, A reminder of what Alexander S. Kunz on TBBETA typed on: 20 April 2005 at 18:11:43 GMT +0200 ASK Hello you schmuck, answering yourself again? It's not normal for me to act like a giggly little school girl this early in the morning but you certainly managed to make me

Re: Empty message list after Alt+0

2005-04-21 Thread 9Val
Hello Peter, PH To whom it may concern: PH http://www.meinemail.net/pics/TB-empty-message-list.avi PH (667 KB, DivX) Can't reproduce that one. Do you use account or own folder settings when have no view mode selected? -- 9Val

Re[2]: Empty message list after Alt+0

2005-04-21 Thread Peter Hampf
Hello 9Val, Thursday, April 21, 2005, 11:33:17 AM, you wrote: 9 Can't reproduce that one. That's a pity. 9 Do you use account or own folder settings when have no view mode 9 selected? I am not sure whether I get you right. Where can it be defined what to use - and where can we define

Re: Empty message list after Alt+0

2005-04-21 Thread 9Val
Hello Peter, 9 Do you use account or own folder settings when have no view mode 9 selected? PH I am not sure whether I get you right. Where can it be defined what to use PH - and where can we define account settings for the view mode? Or are you PH talking about the Global View Mode? No.

Re: Empty message list after Alt+0

2005-04-21 Thread Foster, Graham
Hello 9Val No. Open folder properties, there is a combo box 'Column setup'. Besides using ViewMode there are possibility to use parent folder view mode, account default settings, folder own settings. Which column setup is by default in your folder when no view mode selected. I had

Mod: Cut mark (was: Empty message list after Alt+0)

2005-04-21 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Graham, On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:22:42 +0100GMT (21-4-2005, 12:22 +0200, where I live), you wrote: FG It even worked it other folders I had had the ALT-0 problem with. FG I hope that helps FG Regards FG Graham FG

Re[2]: Empty message list after Alt+0

2005-04-21 Thread Peter Hampf
Hello 9Val, on Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:10:42 +0300 GMT your local time you wrote: 9 No. Open folder properties, there is a combo box 'Column setup'. Ah! Yes. In this box Use folder specific setting is defined. 9 You can set filter to show only needed messages. Thanks! Very useful! --

Re[2]: Empty message list after Alt+0

2005-04-21 Thread Peter Hampf
Hello 9Val, on Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:10:42 +0300 GMT your local time you wrote: 9 Besides using ViewMode there are possibility to use parent folder view 9 mode, account default settings, folder own settings. Additional question: Where can I define Account Default Settings? -- Regards,

Re: Some thoughts about bugs

2005-04-21 Thread Allie Martin
Hi Martin, On 21/04/2005 07:53 AM +0200, you wrote: One little example with TheBat: Jumping text in the To field of the editor... If I had a list of bugs to manage, that one would be at the bottom. Since TB! always have functionality bugs to fix, it's no surprise that this one remains unfixed.

Re: 3.0.9.17 new-/non-/fixed issues

2005-04-21 Thread Boris Anders
Hello Marek, Marek Mikus wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Bugtraq is one big big chaos, with hundreds unreproduceable, already fixed, never seen again bugreports. I just can't believe somebody has any orientation in it. and You have orientation in TBBETA when approximately 150 messages are

Re: 3.0.9.17 new-/non-/fixed issues

2005-04-21 Thread Allie Martin
Hi Boris, On 21/04/2005 02:41 PM +0200, you wrote: Yes, I did! Peter spends much time on it, but (I guess) not, if nobody cares! I've seen those bug lists and I'm immensely impressed with them. They're gold and should be treated as such. A beer and pat on the back to those involved in the

Re: Some thoughts about bugs

2005-04-21 Thread Allie Martin
Hi Martin, On 21/04/2005 02:44 PM +0200, you wrote: As said - it was an example. ... and what an example! ;) But with your argument we start now a philosophical thread: Not really. Just one of introducing the importance of priority in terms of program usability. I'm currently not using TB! and

Re[2]: 3.0.9.17 new-/non-/fixed issues

2005-04-21 Thread Ethan J. Mings
Thursday, April 21, 2005, 8:41:20 AM, you wrote: In bugtracker there is often wrong category or even not a bugreport but a wish report. And this (and other things) leads to the fact, that nobody (including Ritlabs) does care about BT (the 300 new reports proves this fact). Amen. I find the

Re[2]: 3.0.9.17 new-/non-/fixed issues

2005-04-21 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Thursday, April 21, 2005, Boris Anders wrote: as I told, TBBETA is for discussing and I expect, if will be bug revealed and confirmed by many users, it will be added into BT with complete description how to reproduce it. ironyOf course./irony But sometimes it really goes this

Re: Some thoughts about bugs

2005-04-21 Thread Stuart Cuddy
Hello 9Val, Thursday, April 21, 2005, 12:43:04 AM, you wrote: 9 Need to go, but I'll think about other bug-reporting rules for 9 making our life easier and publish them ASAP. Any comments and 9 suggestions are appreciated (list/PM/...) My major problem with bugtrack is that

How to assign an image?

2005-04-21 Thread Peter Hampf
Hello tbbeta, I have added Show message list to the standard toolbar in the 'View Message Folder' customization menu. That works great, but it is shown as text button. Does anybody know the steps to assign an image to this customized button? I suppose I have to add it to batskin.xml

Re[2]: Empty message list after Alt+0

2005-04-21 Thread Peter Hampf
Hello 9Val, on Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:10:42 +0300 GMT your local time you wrote: 9 Open folder properties, there is a combo box 'Column setup'. I have switched three subfolders of INBOX to Use parent folder column settings. Whenever I change something to the column settings of INBOX, it is

Re: Some thoughts about bugs

2005-04-21 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello 9Val, On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 08:43:04 +0300 GMT (21/04/2005, 12:43 +0700 GMT), 9Val wrote: 9 So... Both in bugtrack and in TBBETA list there are a lot of 9 duplicates and not confirmed/not reproducible bugs. Here at the 9 stage appears person, who selects bugs from

Re: Empty message list after Alt+0

2005-04-21 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Peter, On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:01:52 +0200 GMT (21/04/2005, 19:01 +0700 GMT), Peter Hampf wrote: PH Additional question: Where can I define Account Default Settings? Does the old method not work any more? Choose any folder set to use the Account Default Settings. Set this to way way you

PGP Sign and Encryt on Completion

2005-04-21 Thread Stuart Hemming
I've just tried to send a message with these options switched on. When I complete the message message I get the dialog about my passphrase being cached, one assumes because I'm signing, but I'm not asked whose key(s) I want to encrypt against. -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.9.17 Return

Re: PGP Sign and Encryt on Completion

2005-04-21 Thread Kevin Coates
Hi Stuart, On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:58:39 +0100 (10:58 AM here), Stuart Hemming [SH] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: SH I've just tried to send a message with these options switched on. SH When I complete the message message I get the dialog about my SH passphrase being cached, one assumes

Re: Some thoughts about bugs

2005-04-21 Thread Allie Martin
Hi Martin, On 21/04/2005 03:24 PM +0200, you wrote: But who and what decides which priority a bug has to fix? RIT of course, and this is based on their judgement of the circumstances. Feedback, reproducability, how many users are affected, and how profoundly it affects usability. I'm

Re: Some thoughts about bugs

2005-04-21 Thread Liz
Hi Allie, Thursday, April 21, 2005, 1:34:44 PM, you wrote: AM If I had a list of bugs to manage, that one would be at the bottom. AM Since TB! always have functionality bugs to fix, it's no surprise that AM this one remains unfixed. On its own merit I agree its not the most important bug,

Re: Some thoughts about bugs

2005-04-21 Thread Allie Martin
Hi Liz, On 21/04/2005 06:32 PM +0100, you wrote: On its own merit I agree its not the most important bug, however, if 5 years down the line its not been fixed, people start questioning the quality overall. Agreed. The bad side of the sword of rapid development exposed. -- Allie Martin System

Re: Some thoughts about bugs

2005-04-21 Thread Allie Martin
Hi Martin, On 21/04/2005 07:34 PM +0200, you wrote: RIT of course, and this is based on their judgement of the circumstances. Feedback, reproducability, how many users are affected, and how profoundly it affects usability. Again - this is quite relative. As it always will be. Eg. I don't care

Re: Some thoughts about bugs

2005-04-21 Thread Allie Martin
Hi Martin, On 21/04/2005 07:49 PM +0200, you wrote: And this could be a very good excuse: Sorry, we don't have time to fix bugs because we have to implement new features... I think, _this_ discussion we had here several times before. Yes. This one has been discussed many times before, i.e., new

Re: How to assign an image?

2005-04-21 Thread 9Val
Hello Peter, PH Does anybody know the steps to assign an image to this customized button? There is no way to do it smoothly now. But take your wand, a little magic powder and listen to me :-) After customizing you'll have in tbuser.def something like this: snip property layout

Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.15 Return is now available

2005-04-21 Thread 9Val
Hello MAU, M Certainly Common sub-filters are not working as expected. I have now to M analyse the log to try to see what's happening. I'm waiting ;-) -- 9Val Current beta is 3.0.9.17

Two Line Subject Error - Line One Two Line Subject Error - Line Two

2005-04-21 Thread John Thomas
If you would stupid proof the program a tad more I would appreciate it. I copied a subject that had a carriage return, so the subject looked blank. Therefore, I typed in the subject again. The result was a portion of the headers showed up in the e-mail. I tried to replicate the problem in this

Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.15 Return is now available

2005-04-21 Thread 9Val
Hello George, [*] Filters: Macro subsystem ready for beta-testing GMM Could you elaborate on this? Easily :) Now some of filter actions like Copy/Move to folder, exec external program and export message could use %macros in their arguments. In example, Move to %ABFromName, Copy to

Re: logo

2005-04-21 Thread Richard Newman
Hello Cees, On Tuesday, April 19, 2005, 12:00:23 PM, you wrote: C is it just me or do'nt we have a logo anymore when firing up C TheBat!? I've got it! -- Best, Richard Richard Newman -- Using The Bat!3.0.9.17 Return under Windows XP 5 Build

Re: v17 Searching

2005-04-21 Thread Richard Newman
Hello Marek, On Wednesday, April 20, 2005, 11:05:51 AM, you wrote: .. I'm still experiencing 2 AV when entering the SEARCH screen. As no-one else seems to be finding this - so I guess the problem is mine alone, and a probably a configuration error. I'm experiencing the same. Had a hard disk

3.0.9.16 IMAP issue

2005-04-21 Thread Matt Thoene
I know...my subject line is a bit redundant... The last couple of betas prior to this one have been somewhat tolerable. However, this one has been disconnecting from the server quite a bit more than usual. So much so that I usually need to either restart TB, or in some cases, restart the imap

Re: Two Line Subject Error - Line One Two Line Subject Error - Line Two

2005-04-21 Thread Jonathan Angliss
Hello John, Thursday, April 21, 2005, 3:54:22 PM, you wrote: If you would stupid proof the program a tad more I would appreciate it. I copied a subject that had a carriage return, so the subject looked blank. Therefore, I typed in the subject again. The result was a portion of the headers

Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.15 Return is now available

2005-04-21 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello 9Val, M Certainly Common sub-filters are not working as expected. I have now to M analyse the log to try to see what's happening. I'm waiting ;-) Sorry, I didn't get the time to do the analysis till now. As I reported, I could easily see they were not working because some of the