Re: Expried certificates

2008-02-26 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello danger, On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:16:30 -0500 GMT (26/02/2008, 09:16 +0700 GMT), danger wrote: d now filed as bugtrack item 0006856 Thanks. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6856 supported. -- Cheers, Thomas. We have enough youth, how about a fountain of Smart?

Re: Expried certificates

2008-02-25 Thread Jens Franik
Guten Tag danger, am Montag, 25. Februar 2008 um 02:59 schrieben Sie: I think that the following has to be taken into consideration. 1) The Bat can not stop working with out clear warning. (most users will not read a log) Maybe it could be of interest to work over the Alert-System into 3

Re: Expried certificates

2008-02-25 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello danger, On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:59:24 -0500 GMT (25/02/2008, 08:59 +0700 GMT), danger wrote: d I think that the following has to be taken into consideration. d d 1) The Bat can not stop working with out clear warning. (most users will not read a log) d d 2) If every other MTA will throw up

Re: Expried certificates (was: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.)

2008-02-25 Thread danger
snip now filed as bugtrack item 0006856 -- Best regards, dangermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 4.0.14.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Expried certificates (was: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.)

2008-02-24 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Sunday, February 24, 2008, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thanks for your opinion. I will assume that you will never accept an expired certificate. That's good for you. I have a different opinion. Why do you want to forbid me to do something? Just because you wouldn't want to do it

Re: Expried certificates (was: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.)

2008-02-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Marek, On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:49:47 +0100 GMT (24/02/2008, 18:49 +0700 GMT), Marek Mikus wrote: Good morning. You were up late last night, I didn't expect a reply so fast. Thanks. MM once developers accept such opinion, nobody will use correct MM certs then, everybody (including You) will

Re[2]: Expried certificates (was: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.)

2008-02-24 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/24/2008 3:19 PM Hi Thomas, On 2/24/2008 Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF Why are people so vehemently against options, just because they don't TF want to use them? Especially options that other email clients offer. TF Are you trying to save the internet by disallowing this in TB!? Why bother with

Re: Expried certificates (was: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.)

2008-02-24 Thread Rick Grunwald
I am fascinated that you want to complain because TB has the courage to do the right thing instead of being politically correct like all (or most) of the others. It isn't a case of courage but rather usability and allowing people to use the program as they see fit. -- Is the message

Re[2]: Expried certificates (was: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.)

2008-02-24 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/24/2008 3:59 PM Hi Rick, On 2/24/2008 Rick Grunwald wrote: I am fascinated that you want to complain because TB has the courage to do the right thing instead of being politically correct like all (or most) of the others. RG It isn't a case of courage but rather usability and It is

Re: Expried certificates

2008-02-24 Thread Rick Grunwald
Hello Paul, Sunday, February 24, 2008, 10:06:36 PM, you wrote: PVN r go to some other place that promotes PVN inappropriate compromise Man, Man, Man! Miserie, Miserie, Miserie! Can someone tell me how it is determined that any given compromise is inappropriate? -- Is the message

Re[2]: Expried certificates

2008-02-24 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/24/2008 4:42 PM Hi Rick, On 2/24/2008 Rick Grunwald wrote: RG Can someone tell me how it is determined that any given compromise is RG inappropriate? When the purpose is compromised. This is not an either/or issue. There is a single purpose. If you do not want the security you have the

Re[2]: Expried certificates

2008-02-24 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/24/2008 4:37 PM Hi Mark, On 2/24/2008 Mark Partous wrote: PVN r go to some other place that promotes PVN inappropriate compromise MP Man, Man, Man! Miserie, Miserie, Miserie! True!, True!, True! - -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE

Re: Expried certificates

2008-02-24 Thread Mark Partous
Hello Paul, Sunday, February 24, 2008, 10:06:36 PM, you wrote: PVN r go to some other place that promotes PVN inappropriate compromise Man, Man, Man! Miserie, Miserie, Miserie! -- Mark Current beta is 4.0.14.4 | 'Using TBBETA'

Re[2]: Expried certificates

2008-02-24 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/24/2008 5:45 PM Hi Volker, On 2/24/2008 Volker Ahrendt wrote: VA *Abgelehnt*, weil … Das war schon immer so! ;-) SCNR VA Seriously, that would be a good option. VA Cheers! VA VA I agree... maybe. I have tried to count how many people I know outside of the techie lists I belong to. I can't

Re: Expried certificates (was: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.)

2008-02-24 Thread Jens Franik
Guten Tag Thomas Fernandez, am Sonntag, 24. Februar 2008 um 13:07 schrieben Sie: Are you trying to save the internet by disallowing this in TB!? I thought this right the moment now. I would support a urgly and red Error-Message with a Confirmation Dialog to User, becaue it is security

Re: Expried certificates

2008-02-24 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Jens Franik« · 2008-02-24 · 23:28 h (CET)] Hello, Jens! Are you trying to save the internet by disallowing this in TB!? I thought this right the moment now. I would support a urgly and red Error-Message with a Confirmation Dialog to User, becaue it is security relevant, but i

Re: Expried certificates

2008-02-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Paul, On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:44:56 -0500 GMT (25/02/2008, 04:44 +0700 GMT), Paul Van Noord wrote: RG Can someone tell me how it is determined that any given RG compromise is inappropriate? PVN When the purpose is compromised. This is not an either/or issue. PVN There is a single purpose.

Re: Expried certificates

2008-02-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Paul, On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:43:39 -0500 GMT (25/02/2008, 05:43 +0700 GMT), Paul Van Noord wrote: TF Right now, the only way to read my mail--in the scenario mentioned, TF which is not unusual--is to use another one of a myriad of email TF clients, most of them free. PVN Webmail

Re[2]: Expried certificates

2008-02-24 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/24/2008 5:43 PM Hi Thomas, On 2/24/2008 Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF Right now, the only way to read my mail--in the scenario mentioned, TF which is not unusual--is to use another one of a myriad of email TF clients, most of them free. Webmail temporarily? - -- Take Care, Paul Voyager

Re: Expried certificates

2008-02-24 Thread Jens Franik
Guten Tag Paul Van Noord, am Sonntag, 24. Februar 2008 um 23:43 schrieben Sie: TF Right now, the only way to read my mail--in the scenario mentioned, TF which is not unusual--is to use another one of a myriad of email TF clients, most of them free. Webmail temporarily? There are a lot of

Re: Expried certificates (was: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.)

2008-02-24 Thread Jens Franik
Guten Tag Marek Mikus, am Sonntag, 24. Februar 2008 um 12:49 schrieben Sie: once developers accept such opinion, nobody will use correct certs then, everybody (including You) will confirm warning window instead changing certificate, because it is easier. I worked for a middle-range ISP for

Re: Expried certificates

2008-02-24 Thread Dwight Corrin
On Sunday, February 24, 2008, 4:27:11 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Right now, the only way to read my mail--in the scenario mentioned, which is not unusual--is to use another one of a myriad of email clients, most of them free. maybe we can call that the ultimate work around! -- Dwight A.

Re[2]: Expried certificates

2008-02-24 Thread danger
Hello Volker, Sunday, February 24, 2008, 5:38:22 PM, you wrote: VA [Reply to: »Jens Franik« · 2008-02-24 · 23:28 h (CET)] VA Hello, Jens! Are you trying to save the internet by disallowing this in TB!? I thought this right the moment now. I would support a urgly and red Error-Message with

Re: Expried certificates

2008-02-24 Thread Rick Grunwald
Hello Volker, [snip] 3) If The Bat stops working for this type of error and another MTA works. It will be conceived as a bug in the Bat, and so The other MTA will be used and the Bat will be disregarded and will be considered a poor product. 4) Their will be cases where a user or user can

Expried certificates (was: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.)

2008-02-23 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Marek, On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 05:52:40 +0100 GMT (24/02/2008, 11:52 +0700 GMT), Marek Mikus wrote: Not I must. I should. And if I don't do it, I must live with the consequences. I must not be nannied by my email program - especially since other email programs don't nanny the user. They