Re: The Bat! 4.0 with SocksCap problem?

2008-02-27 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2008-02-26 · 21:39 h (CET)] Moin, Marek! Until now I thought it was an internal problem in my company, but now I am sure The Bat! is the root cause of the socks server problem. thanks, reported in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6866 Maybe it is a good

Re: The Bat! 4.0 with SocksCap problem?

2008-02-27 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Volker Ahrendt« · 2008-02-27 · 13:22 h (CET)] thanks, reported in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6866 Maybe it is a good idea to implement Socks Server Support in The Bat! itself like in Mozilla Thunderbird: Under Options|Network Administration - Tab Network [x] Use

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0 with SocksCap problem?

2008-02-27 Thread Vili
Maybe it is a good idea to implement Socks Server Support in The Bat! In some simple words, what is SocksCap is good for? Read the info on the net, but I dont really get it... -- Vili Current beta is 4.0.14.7 | 'Using TBBETA'

Re: The Bat! 4.0 with SocksCap problem?

2008-02-27 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Vili« · 2008-02-27 · 17:06 h (CET)] Moin, Vili! In some simple words, what is SocksCap is good for? Read the info on the net, but I dont really get it... Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOCKS Cheers! VA - -- QA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] — [2008-02-27] Direct eMail without

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0 with SocksCap problem?

2008-02-27 Thread Vili
In some simple words, what is SocksCap is good for? Read the info on the net, but I dont really get it... Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOCKS So, to let my simple brain to understand: a way to go thru firewalls using normal Explorer-style (HTTP or something) protocol, and drive

Re: The Bat! 4.0 with SocksCap problem?

2008-02-26 Thread Volker Ahrendt
[Reply to: »Marek Mikus« · 2008-02-25 · 11:47 h (CET)] Moin! From user: Currently I am back on 3.99.29 through SocksCap, I confirm what I wrote: On the v4 copy (registered with my v3 license), launched through SocksCap, all connections are made DIRECTLY to the mail servers and do NOT go

Re: The Bat! 4.0 with SocksCap problem?

2008-02-26 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Tuesday, February 26, 2008, Volker Ahrendt wrote: Confirmed! Just tested with … … 3.99.29 through SocksCap - Okay! … 4.0.14.7 through SocksCap - Server not found! Until now I thought it was an internal problem in my company, but now I am sure The Bat! is the root cause of the

The Bat! 4.0 with SocksCap problem?

2008-02-25 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello, anybody uses The Bat! 4.0 with SocksCap for connecting to server via Socks? One user reports in forum, he can't use it after upgrading to 4.0, maybe it is because rewritten socket support in 4.0.0.13, but nobody reported this yet as I remember. From user: Currently I am back on 3.99.29

Re: The Bat! 4.0 with SocksCap problem?

2008-02-25 Thread Ivan Bolhovitinov
Hi, Marek. anybody uses The Bat! 4.0 with SocksCap for connecting to server via Socks? One user reports in forum, he can't use it after upgrading to 4.0, maybe it is because rewritten socket support in 4.0.0.13, but nobody reported this yet as I remember. I heard the same. My tests were

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-13 Thread Keith Russell
Thanks, Henk. That explains why I couldn't find the messages on the list. :-) -- Keith Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-13 Thread MikeD (2)
Hello Mark, Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 2:54:38 PM, you wrote: MP Hello MikeD, MP Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 5:39:52 PM, you wrote: M2 Well ... I have no idea what the sender =intended= it look like wink M2 I can only say that I (normally) don't see anything that looks M2 wrong. Occasionally

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-12 Thread Ethan J. Mings
Hello Marek, Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 1:38:00 PM, you wrote: 3 RSS plugins exists already, even they are not perfect and there are some limitations in Bat. Can you tell where I can find the RSS Plugins? Thank you. Jerry -- Best regards, Ethanmailto:[EMAIL

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-12 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Wednesday, December 12, 2007, Ethan J. Mings wrote: 3 RSS plugins exists already, even they are not perfect and there are some limitations in Bat. Can you tell where I can find the RSS Plugins? I am preparing info, please wait. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat!

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-12 Thread Keith Russell
Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: I asked this on October 18th. What a pity that next to the news about update policy of 11/7/2007 and the license policy of 11/19/2207 there is no communication with tbbeta about what is next :-( Can you post what appeared in these two messages? I don't seem to be

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-12 Thread Henk M. de Bruijn
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, at 21:02:29 [GMT -0700] (which was 5:02 where I live) Keith Russell wrote: Can you post what appeared in these two messages? I don't seem to be able to find either http://www.ritlabs.com/ -- Henk M. de Bruijn

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread Jens Franik
Guten Tag Thomas Fernandez, am Montag, 10. Dezember 2007 um 14:50 schrieben Sie: JF Any Content, which is not included in the Mail(s) has not to be JF displayed until i give explicitly permission to access the JF Internet for this. Agreed. The suggestion is to allow this permission. It is not

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread Ethan J. Mings
Hello Jens, Monday, December 10, 2007, 8:36:39 AM, you wrote: With the Rest i didn't see any important missing features :-) Maybe RSS would be nice to have. RSS as a plug in for TheBat would be most helpful. While stand alone RSS programs are helpful, a plug in for the Bat would really make

Re[3]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread MikeD (2)
Hello Gunivortus, Monday, December 10, 2007, 9:23:40 AM, you wrote: GG Hi Thomas, Come on! While I also receive newsletters I want to see *with* pictures, there is no need to use Incredimail! Eudora, Outlook, a myriad of email clients can do this. Are you pulling our legs? GG From the

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread MikeD (2)
Hello Thomas, Monday, December 10, 2007, 8:50:49 AM, you wrote: TF Hello Jens, TF On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:36:39 +0100 GMT (10/12/2007, 20:36 +0700 GMT), TF Jens Franik wrote: JF I'd neither have an HTML View as Default or Unchangable Setting. TF This won't happen. HTML view will always be an

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread Gunivortus Goos
Hi MikeD (2), OK ... All I do is click on the 'html icon' on the left side attachment list and ... glorisoki, my HTML content is rendered by Firefox. No muss no fuss. What am I missing in this discussion? That's exactly what I don't want. If TB is able to read and write in HTML mode, it

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Tuesday, December 11, 2007, Gunivortus Goos wrote: OK ... All I do is click on the 'html icon' on the left side attachment list and ... glorisoki, my HTML content is rendered by Firefox. No muss no fuss. What am I missing in this discussion? That's exactly what I don't want. If

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread Mark Partous
Hello MikeD, Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 1:33:58 PM, you wrote: M2 OK ... All I do is click on the 'html icon' on the left side M2 attachment list and ... glorisoki, my HTML content is rendered by M2 Firefox. No muss no fuss. What am I missing in this discussion? Now, do that with an

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Jens, On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:49:46 +0100 GMT (11/12/2007, 16:49 +0700 GMT), Jens Franik wrote: Agreed. The suggestion is to allow this permission. It is not possible now. JF Maybe it would be a idea to make detailed Permission, for Example from JF the (E-Mail)Senders Domain only... JF

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MikeD, On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:34:13 -0500 GMT (11/12/2007, 19:34 +0700 GMT), MikeD (2) wrote: M2 I would rather that TB =not= get bogged down with all the bloat (and M2 the cost in terms of development hours) needed to implement a fully M2 functional HTML editor ... especially when there

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread Jens Franik
Guten Tag MikeD (2), am Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2007 um 13:33 schrieben Sie: OK ... All I do is click on the 'html icon' on the left side attachment list and ... glorisoki, my HTML content is rendered by Firefox. No muss no fuss. What am I missing in this discussion? That's exactly the same,

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread MikeD (2)
Hello Mark, Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 8:14:06 AM, you wrote: MP Hello MikeD, MP Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 1:33:58 PM, you wrote: M2 OK ... All I do is click on the 'html icon' on the left side M2 attachment list and ... glorisoki, my HTML content is rendered by M2 Firefox. No muss no fuss.

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread Henk M. de Bruijn
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, at 14:11:12 [GMT +0100] (which was 14:11 where I live) Marek Mikus wrote: Hello Marek, ...*snipped* AFAIK version 4.0 will be able to download images to HTML messages. Will this be a Christmas version? -- Henk ;-)

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread Peter Fjelsten
Ethan, On 11-12-2007 13:23, you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: RSS as a plug in for TheBat would be most helpful. Yes. Very. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.99.3 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. 2 POP3, 14 IMAP (Courier)

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Tuesday, December 11, 2007, Peter Fjelsten wrote: On 11-12-2007 13:23, you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: RSS as a plug in for TheBat would be most helpful. Yes. Very. 3 RSS plugins exists already, even they are not perfect and there are some limitations in Bat. -- Bye Marek

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread Peter Fjelsten
Marek, On 11-12-2007 19:38, you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: 3 RSS plugins exists already, even they are not perfect and there are some limitations in Bat. Really? Do you have a link? What are the limitations (assuming that these are not described at the links you will hopefully send)? --

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread Henk M. de Bruijn
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, at 19:01:52 [GMT +0100] (which was 19:01 where I live) Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: Will this be a Christmas version? I meant Christmas edition... -- Henk ;-) _ The Bat! E-Mail System version 3.99.29 Pro on

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread Mark Partous
Hello MikeD, Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 5:39:52 PM, you wrote: M2 Well ... I have no idea what the sender =intended= it look like wink M2 I can only say that I (normally) don't see anything that looks M2 wrong. Occasionally there will be a problem with the net and M2 something won't come down,

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-11 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 12:01:52 PM, Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: AFAIK version 4.0 will be able to download images to HTML messages. Will this be a Christmas version? lets hope not, unless this list is now out of the loop and all the beta testing goes on and has been transpiring somewhere

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-10 Thread Martin Schneider
Hello Sebastian, Friday, October 12, 2007, 8:39:05 PM, you wrote: What normal user expect is: 1. HTML templates 2. HTML pictures Yes, that is important. More and more newsletters are not readable without showing the pcitures. 3. Account like in OE (example: one Incoming folder for couple

Re[3]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-10 Thread MikeD (2)
Hello Martin, Monday, December 10, 2007, 3:40:57 AM, you wrote: MS Hello Sebastian, MS Friday, October 12, 2007, 8:39:05 PM, you wrote: What normal user expect is: 1. HTML templates 2. HTML pictures MS Yes, that is important. More and more newsletters are not readable MS without showing

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-10 Thread Jens Franik
Guten Tag MikeD (2), am Montag, 10. Dezember 2007 um 12:55 schrieben Sie: What normal user expect is: 1. HTML templates 2. HTML pictures MS Yes, that is important. More and more newsletters are not readable MS without showing the pcitures. And that drives me nuts sigh I am quite happy

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-10 Thread Gunivortus Goos
MS Yes, that is important. More and more newsletters are not readable MS without showing the pcitures. And that drives me nuts sigh I am quite happy with the text only view as the default and hope that does not go away ... at least as an option! I'd neither have an HTML View as Default or

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-10 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Jens, On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:36:39 +0100 GMT (10/12/2007, 20:36 +0700 GMT), Jens Franik wrote: JF I'd neither have an HTML View as Default or Unchangable Setting. This won't happen. HTML view will always be an option, with plaintext preffered by many. JF Any Content, which is not

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-10 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Gunivortus, On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:56:51 +0100 GMT (10/12/2007, 20:56 +0700 GMT), Gunivortus Goos wrote: GG I'm one of them who is getting dayly several newsletters, GG and e-papers by abonnement and weekly several e-zines. For GG all of them I need full html display, including pictures.

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-10 Thread Gunivortus Goos
Hi Thomas, Come on! While I also receive newsletters I want to see *with* pictures, there is no need to use Incredimail! Eudora, Outlook, a myriad of email clients can do this. Are you pulling our legs? From the beginning of its first release, IM was better in HTML displaying as those you're

Re[4]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-09 Thread Maxim Masiutin
Hello Ethan, Thursday, December 06, 2007, 13:38:44, you wrote: ability to work with Outlook What do you mean exactly by the ability to work with Outlook? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re[3]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-06 Thread Ethan J. Mings
Hello Gleason, Wednesday, December 5, 2007, 10:33:55 AM, you wrote: This is just my opinion, but it does seem to me that there is here a lot of ill will towards Rit, and anger with having to deal with the brokenness that will appear in betas. I would agree. Some of the comments made in the

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-05 Thread Eddie Castelli
Dear Bob, -- Mittwoch, 5. Dezember 2007, 18:57:47: This is just my opinion, but it does seem to me that there is here a lot of ill will towards Rit, and anger with having to deal with the brokenness that will appear in betas. I agree that the Beta list has taken on an unproductive and I

Re[3]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-05 Thread Bob Riley
Hi Gleason, Wednesday, December 5, 2007, 8:33:55 AM, you wrote: This is just my opinion, but it does seem to me that there is here a lot of ill will towards Rit, and anger with having to deal with the brokenness that will appear in betas. I agree that the Beta list has taken on an

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-05 Thread Gleason Pace
Eddie, Sounds to me like some sort of awful mickeysoft bells and whistles program. But then again maybe it won't be as bad as it all sounds. But if a new Version shall be released, why is the TB!beta ML not involved in giving their view? When I recall it from the previous versions

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-04 Thread Henk M. de Bruijn
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, at 08:37:53 [GMT +0200] (which was 7:37 where I live) Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: What about a roadmap? I asked this on October 18th. What a pity that next to the news about update policy of 11/7/2007 and the license policy of 11/19/2207 there is no communication with tbbeta

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-04 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Tuesday, December 4, 2007, 11:43:16 AM, Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: I asked this on October 18th. What a pity that next to the news about update policy of 11/7/2007 and the license policy of 11/19/2207 there is no communication with tbbeta about what is next :-( I agree, but what we got was

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-04 Thread Gleason Pace
Henk, What about a roadmap? 2nd time I posted this. Curiouser and curiouser that it is not noticed on the Rit web site and overlooked here http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=2188 I asked this on October 18th. What a pity that next to the news about update policy

Re[3]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-04 Thread Cees
Het was dinsdag 4 december 2007 om 19:44 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'The Bat! 4.0' : Hallo Gleason, What about a roadmap? GP 2nd time I posted this. Curiouser and curiouser that it is not GP noticed on the Rit web site and overlooked here GP http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-12-04 Thread Eddie Castelli
Dear Cees, -- Dienstag, 4. Dezember 2007, 21:18:27: Sounds to me like some sort of awful mickeysoft bells and whistles program. But then again maybe it won't be as bad as it all sounds. But if a new Version shall be released, why is the TB!beta ML not involved in giving their view?

The Bat! 4.0 and Smartbat

2007-11-26 Thread Henk M. de Bruijn
Is there any news about Smartbat in version 4.0? I ask this because next to the Bat! I am also using Thunderbird now and then. Today I noticed an add on called Lightning 0.7 an integrated calendar application for Thunderbird. I am quite impressed! -- Henk M. de Bruijn

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-11-12 Thread Ethan J. Mings
Hello Henk, Saturday, November 10, 2007, 12:31:15 AM, you wrote: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=2240 I found the road map fairly easy to understand. What I am concerned about is the following: 1. Time line for the new product 2. List of the Significantly new

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-11-10 Thread Dwight Corrin
On Friday, November 9, 2007, 11:31:15 PM, Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: What about a roadmap? http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=2240 I read that several times, and I'm still sure what it says. -- Dwight A. Corrin 1201 W River Blvd Apt B108 Wichita KS 67203 316.303.9385

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-11-10 Thread Henk M. de Bruijn
On Sat, 10 Nov 2007, at 03:25:54 [GMT -0600] (which was 10:25 where I live) Dwight Corrin wrote: On Friday, November 9, 2007, 11:31:15 PM, Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=2240 I read that several times, and I'm still sure what it says.

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-11-10 Thread Kertész Vilmos
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=2240 I read that several times, and I'm still sure what it says. Sure or not sure? :-) Your v3 key will work with v4.0.x. New code will need for v4.1.x and above. -- Vili The Bat 3.99.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 2

Re[3]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-11-10 Thread NetVicious
sábado, 10 nov 2007 at 12:55, it seems you wrote: Your v3 key will work with v4.0.x. New code will need for v4.1.x and above. Are u joking, isn't? -- /\/ Using The Bat! 3.99.29 Professional / \ / \ / Windows XP (5.1.2600 Service Pack 2) /\/ e

Re[4]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-11-10 Thread NetVicious
sábado, 10 nov 2007 at 16:23, it seems you wrote: Your v3 key will work with v4.0.x. New code will need for v4.1.x and above. Are u joking, isn't? sooorry! I sent this message without reading the link. -- /\/ Using The Bat! 3.99.29 Professional / \ / \ /

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-11-10 Thread Henk M. de Bruijn
On Sat, 10 Nov 2007, at 16:26:16 [GMT +0100] (which was 16:26 where I live) Netvicious wrote: sooorry! I sent this message without reading the link. Let's test! -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! E-Mail System version 3.99.29

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-11-10 Thread Dwight Corrin
On Saturday, November 10, 2007, 5:55:26 AM, Kertész Vilmos wrote: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=2240 I read that several times, and I'm still sure what it says. Sure or not sure? :-) Your v3 key will work with v4.0.x. New code will need for v4.1.x and above.

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-11-09 Thread Henk M. de Bruijn
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, at 08:37:53 [GMT +0200] (which was 7:37 where I live) Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: What about a roadmap? http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=2240 -- grtz, Henk M. __ The Bat! E-Mail

Re[7]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-17 Thread MikeD (2)
Hello Paul, Monday, October 15, 2007, 8:46:02 AM, you wrote: PVN 10/15/2007 8:31 AM PVN Hi MikeD, PVN On 10/15/2007 MikeD (2) wrote: M2 very attractive to the geek community. They picked up in it early. M2 When they went to help out their tech-challenged friends who had M2 gotten

Re[8]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-17 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/17/2007 9:14 AM Hi MikeD, On 10/17/2007 MikeD (2) wrote: M2 There M2 are still a lot of sites where Opera does not render correctly. Not true. Poorly written or ActiveX enabled only. Opera is not ActiveX aware by design. Opera is big on mobile devices. M2 is what has kept Opera as an

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-16 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Friday, October 12, 2007, 7:45:51 PM, Gleason Pace wrote: Interesting. One of the things I positively didn't like about Mulberry was the necessity to delete messages twice. If I delete it, I want it to be gone. All gone. POP users have survived a long time without needing to deleting

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-16 Thread Gleason Pace
Dwight, On Friday, October 12, 2007, 7:45:51 PM, Gleason Pace wrote: Interesting. One of the things I positively didn't like about Mulberry was the necessity to delete messages twice. If I delete it, I want it to be gone. All gone. POP users have survived a long time without needing to

Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: The Bat! 4.0)

2007-10-15 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Hans, On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 7:06:49 +0200GMT (15-10-2007, 7:06, where I live), you wrote: HS Hans Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-15 Thread Sebastian Murawski
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in night, Krzysztof wrote something like this: Tell me why this happen? I suspect a quite a big number of reasons are involved. Frequency of releases being a lesser one. I'd roughly say: (...) But this is RITs side. Normal user do not

Re[5]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-15 Thread MikeD (2)
Hello Gleason, Sunday, October 14, 2007, 5:59:25 PM, you wrote: GP I remember a techie friend in the early days of Firebird saying that GP it was superior because it introduced tabs. He didn't seem to think GP that Netscape had tabs. Never heard of Opera. So what was the GP secret? How did

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-15 Thread Krzysztof Trybowski
Hello Sebastian, On Monday, October 15, 2007 Sebastian Murawski wrote: What is this:? Nie da się - każde konto musi mieć swój własny zestaw standardowych folderów. OK, true: each account has to have its own set of folders. But you can just hide them, and forget them. This doesn't really

Re[6]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-15 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/15/2007 8:31 AM Hi MikeD, On 10/15/2007 MikeD (2) wrote: M2 very attractive to the geek community. They picked up in it early. M2 When they went to help out their tech-challenged friends who had M2 gotten 'clobbered' by some 'problem' in IE, they would tell them to M2 use this here

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-15 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/15/2007 8:47 AM Hi Krzysztof, On 10/15/2007 Krzysztof Trybowski wrote: Topics are above. There is no possibility to have 5 different Accounts and one folder tree like in OE. You can only cheat but you newer hide 5 accounts. And this answer is in PSTB FAQ, you can find in forum

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Vilius Šumskas
Sveiki, Hello all, Sunday, October 14, 2007, Sebastian Murawski wrote: When version change and you must pay for new licence? Yes, I expect really big changes and privately one little bugfix (regression fix) - https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5690. did You paid for upgrade from 3.0

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Sebastian Murawski
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in morning, Hans wrote something like this: I am a registered user of The Bat! but also of Pocomail, try this program, has a lot of features, The Bat! does not have! Or try Mokum Mail, http://www.blokker.net/whatsnew.htm As a

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/14/2007 5:34 AM Hi Sebastian, On 10/13/2007 Sebastian Murawski wrote: SM I paid also for v2 and remember promise about newsgroup support. I SM paid for this promise to. I do not recall this being a promise. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/14/2007 5:38 AM Hi Hans, On 10/14/2007 Hans Stam wrote: HS I am a registered user of The Bat! but also of Pocomail, try this HS program, has a lot of features, The Bat! does not have! HS Or try Mokum Mail, http://www.blokker.net/whatsnew.htm HS As a registered user I always use this very

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/14/2007 5:49 AM Hi Hans, On 10/14/2007 Hans Stam wrote: Or try Mokum Mail, http://www.blokker.net/whatsnew.htm As a registered user I always use this very safe program This is entertainment, not email. How safe is HTML only? Where are the email features? It looks like a crippled Dutch

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/14/2007 5:59 AM Hi Vilius, On 10/14/2007 Vilius Šumskas wrote: VŠ We've got new filtering system and a native XP look during v2.x beta cycle. Why rewrite it VŠ a third time? Ritlabs just don't get it. Users that use MAPI or IMAP VŠ does filtering ON THE SERVER. And they use IMAP's folder

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Sebastian Murawski
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in night, Marek wrote something like this: When version change and you must pay for new licence? Yes, I expect really big changes and privately one little bugfix (regression fix) -

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Sebastian Murawski
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in afternoon, Paul wrote something like this: Voyager has been a literal life saver for me and many customers who are in parts of the world where it is mandatory to have one's email literally in their pocket to avoid persecution and

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/14/2007 6:42 AM Hi Sebastian, On 10/14/2007 Sebastian Murawski wrote: SM DynBat, MobileBat, TheBatch or JavaScript Mobilbat - that was before SM Voyager and works with full TheBat Pro version. Voyager is only Home SM version with OTFE password protection. In your own words, But this is

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Vilius Šumskas
Sveiki, 10/14/2007 5:59 AM Hi Vilius, On 10/14/2007 Vilius �umskas wrote: V� We've got new filtering system and a native XP look during v2.x beta cycle. Why rewrite it V� a third time? Ritlabs just don't get it. Users that use MAPI or IMAP V� does filtering ON THE SERVER. And they use

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all, Sunday, October 14, 2007, Sebastian Murawski wrote: And in v4 we have plans for: - improved Unicode support - new GUI = new customiser, message list pane? [+] First usable new filtering system this feature is from TB 2.13 Lucky Beta1 yes, this was 3.0 beta cycle, but for

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/14/2007 8:12 AM Hi Vilius, On 10/14/2007 Vilius Šumskas wrote: VŠ I think you don't understand IMAP concept very well. It was created VŠ exactly for that kind of situations. You can access your emails in ANY PART of the VŠ world from one central place (e.g. the server). And you can do this

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Vilius Šumskas
Sveiki, I beg to differ. Having a message base reside on a server is exactly what needs to be avoided. The message base that resides in encrypted form on the flash drive in my pocket is under my control. I will need to be killed for someone to have access to it. I will not be killed because

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Vilius Šumskas
I beg to differ. Having a message base reside on a server is exactly what needs to be avoided. The message base that resides in encrypted form on the flash drive in my pocket is under my control. I will need to be killed for someone to have access to it. I will not be killed because someone

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Gleason Pace
Hans, I am a registered user of The Bat! but also of Pocomail, try this program, has a lot of features, The Bat! does not have! Or try Mokum Mail, http://www.blokker.net/whatsnew.htm As a registered user I always use this very safe program Hans Thanks, I didn't know about Mokum. Yes,

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Gleason Pace
Vilius, And what are major improvements, new major features in this v3 builds? I remember one feature that now not exists. new filtering system, new customiser, rewritten message list pane, Unicode in many parts, Vista support etc. We've got new filtering system and a native XP look

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Arjan de Groot
On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:22:24 +0300, Vilius Šumskas wrote: I beg to differ. Having a message base reside on a server is exactly what needs to be avoided. The message base that resides in encrypted form on the flash drive in my pocket is under my control. I will need to be killed for someone to

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Vilius Šumskas
Ritlabs just don't get it. Users that use MAPI or IMAP does filtering ON THE SERVER. Server sieves (as Mulberry calls them) are limited compared to what a client can do, and TB does. It depends on the server you are using. For example Cyrus Sieve filtering system is as advanced as TB! if not

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Krzysztof Trybowski
Hello Sebastian, On Saturday, October 13, 2007 Sebastian Murawski wrote: Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in evening, Marek wrote something like this: So 1. GUI - like in v3 upgrade afaik we can expect huge change in V4, nothing small as themes in V3 OK, but

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/14/2007 12:29 PM Hi Vilius, On 10/14/2007 Vilius Šumskas wrote: VŠ I hope this answers every aspect that you can come up with. Messages that reside for an hour or two on a highly encrypted server that are exchanged between accounts on the same server and then are _permanently_ deleted at

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Sebastian Murawski
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in afternoon, Paul wrote something like this: In your own words, But this is not for normal users - it is to difficult, not ergonomic. You see this application even one time? Example: is it for you difficult to extract zip

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Sebastian Murawski
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in afternoon, Marek wrote something like this: And something about RIT updates: http://fileforum.betanews.com/review/942557075/2/view do You really trust fileforum comments? some of users who rated it with one star did not saw thebat

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Sebastian Murawski
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in afternoon, Krzysztof wrote something like this: So 1. GUI - like in v3 upgrade afaik we can expect huge change in V4, nothing small as themes in V3 OK, but this is still only GUI - maybe big changes but this is still

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Peter Fjelsten
Vilius, On 13-10-2007 12:12, you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: And by the way I'm using Office 2007 and Outlook Express at work at the moment and as a long time IMAP user (like 7 years), I still think that their IMAP is superior (I'm not talking about other their stuff though). I agree, .

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Gleason Pace
Sebastian, And this small steps bring us to point: 1. There is no new plugins and old are not developed 2. Big discussion lists and forums, sites slowly dying (tb-l, bat-mail.de.vu, pstb, TheBat! World) - no new users, no new posts, no new news. Tell me why this happen? A

Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Gleason Pace
Sebastian, In my case, I recently had the example of a friend of a friend whose son set her up with Hotmail as an introduction to using email. No amount of explaining advantages could convince her to do more than that. Just be simple and work please, and since I don't know

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Krzysztof Trybowski
Hello Sebastian, On Sunday, October 14, 2007 Sebastian Murawski wrote: I think you miss the point of what UI is. The way you think about it seems to rather remind skins than GUI rework. The the truth is that GUI is not about the way TB looks, but about the way TB interacts with users.

Re[3]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Mike Rourke
Hello Gleason, Sunday, October 14, 2007, 3:19:49 PM, you scribbled: GP Yes, as I said a while ago, the success of Tbird is one of the issues GP that Rit must deal with very soon. And I think glitter is very much a GP part of Tbird's appeal. TBird is not glitter. It is a barebones, functional

Re: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Sebastian Murawski
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in evening, Krzysztof wrote something like this: And this small steps bring us to point: 1. There is no new plugins and old are not developed 2. Big discussion lists and forums, sites slowly dying (tb-l, bat-mail.de.vu,

Re[4]: The Bat! 4.0

2007-10-14 Thread Gleason Pace
Mike, TBird is not glitter. It is a barebones, functional IMAP/POP client. Right, barebones. But click on an account heading, or local folders. No, I think the glitter is there. You can glitz it up with themes and extensions, but the program itself is simple, Right. it works and the

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