Re: 3.5.27
Hello Avi. --On 16 June 2005 16:41 +0300 you wrote about Re: 3.5.27: Irony. No, sarcasm. No, bloody ridiculous! -- Tony. M pgpgeW41QItmD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello Maxim. --On 16 June 2005 14:35 +0300 you wrote about 3.5.27: [-] Double click didn't work in folder selection dialog. http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb3527.rar Wow! that's an impressive list isn't it? -- Tony. M pgpusu2itiYh4.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
On 6/20/05, Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Maxim. --On 16 June 2005 14:35 +0300 you wrote about 3.5.27: [-] Double click didn't work in folder selection dialog. http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb3527.rar Wow! that's an impressive list isn't it? Sarcasm. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.30 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Avi, On 20-06-2005 11:35, you [AY] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: AY On 6/20/05, Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! that's an impressive list isn't it? AY Sarcasm. How about you an Tony lay off a little bit? Your constant complaints/sarcastic/ironic/whatever are getting to be a bit tiresome. (I know I am not moderator but I thought I'd let you know what I - and others(?) - feel) -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.30 Pro /thebat version env. ~12 POP3, 4 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
On 6/20/05, Peter Fjelsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Avi, On 20-06-2005 11:35, you [AY] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: AY On 6/20/05, Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! that's an impressive list isn't it? AY Sarcasm. How about you an Tony lay off a little bit? Rhetorical question. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.30 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello Tony, Just a threading test, please disregard. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.27
6/20/2005 6:17 AM Hi Peter, On 6/20/2005 Peter Fjelsten wrote: PF Your constant complaints/sarcastic/ironic/whatever are getting to be a PF bit tiresome. PF (I know I am not moderator but I thought I'd let you know what I - and PF others(?) - feel) I agree! It seems three members of this forum get their recreation from this type of stuff and are so bent on its perpetuity that they do not respond to hints - no matter how strong they are. My sympathies to their spouses (if they exist). -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello MAU. --On 20 June 2005 12:22 +0200 you wrote about Re: 3.5.27: Just a threading test, please disregard. Consider yourself disregarded :) -- Tony. M pgpgNBfWgWIY3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: 3.5.27
Hello Maxim. --On 17 June 2005 01:26 +0300 you wrote about Re[2]: 3.5.27: We are now doing such fixes like IMAP, -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Printed out, pinned to the wall as evidence :) -- Tony. M pgpmGUQ1LGOzs.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello Avi. --On 20 June 2005 12:35 +0300 you wrote about Re: 3.5.27: Sarcasm. No, disbelief! -- Tony. M pgpAl7OiwXUph.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello Peter. --On 20 June 2005 11:43 +0200 you wrote about Re: 3.5.27: Your constant complaints/sarcastic/ironic/whatever are getting to be a bit tiresome. Then you have two choices, unsubscribe or killfile me. (I know I am not moderator Your right, your not! but I thought I'd let you know what I - and others(?) - feel) Then in future keep your thoughts to yourself or just tell those that give a damn... Or are you trying to say I have less of a right to express my opinion on this list than you? -- Tony. M pgpEkClZhkn3h.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: 3.5.27
Hello Paul. --On 20 June 2005 06:20 -0400 you wrote about Re[2]: 3.5.27: I agree! It seems three members of this forum get their recreation from this type of stuff I can't speak for the other two (perhaps if my name was Peter Fjelsten I could) but The Bat is 100% unusable for me and NOTHING is being done about it. Had TB been free I'd have no complaints but I paid for it and it doesn't work... Would you just sit back and be ripped off? I doubt it! -- Tony. M pgp0OjDU3xpu2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Tony, On 20-06-2005 17:01, you [TB] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: TB I can't speak for the other two (perhaps if my name was Peter TB Fjelsten I could) Can't you read? ,- [ mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] | (I know I am not moderator but I thought I'd let you know what I - and | others(?) - feel) `- There is a question mark there. TB but The Bat is 100% unusable for me and NOTHING is being done about TB it. Please tell me how you know nothing is being done. TB Had TB been free I'd have no complaints but I paid for it and it doesn't TB work... Would you just sit back and be ripped off? I doubt it! I would not but I am certain (no question mark) that many people know that this is the case for you two - no need to repeat it every second day. BTW, I rum TB! with IMAP, too, and I agree, there is still some distance to go before TB! works well with IMAP. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.21 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: 3.5.27
6/20/2005 11:33 AM Hi Tony, On 6/20/2005 Tony Boom wrote: TB Hello Paul. TB --On 20 June 2005 06:20 -0400 you wrote about Re[2]: 3.5.27: I agree! It seems three members of this forum get their recreation from this type of stuff TB I can't speak for the other two (perhaps if my name was Peter Fjelsten I TB could) but The Bat is 100% unusable for me and NOTHING is being done about TB it. TB Had TB been free I'd have no complaints but I paid for it and it doesn't TB work... Would you just sit back and be ripped off? I doubt it! Sorry, your name isn't one of the three! Have you asked for a refund? -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello Peter. --On 20 June 2005 17:35 +0200 you wrote about Re: 3.5.27: Please tell me how you know nothing is being done. One public promise *30* versions ago, you tell me what's been done to improve IMAP in all those 30 builds? I would not but I am certain (no question mark) that many people know that this is the case for you two - no need to repeat it every second day. I was asked to send Log files, I did. Apparently they didn't receive them and publicly denied all knowledge of me ever sending them so best keep reminding them don't you think? BTW, I rum TB! with IMAP, too, and I agree, there is still some distance to go before TB! works well with IMAP. I would like it to work perhaps just a little bit for me. I know how to get round the expunge problem but message refuse point blank to load so it's 100% unusable. Anyway, the trout are flying freely at the moment so lets call it a day and no hard feelings. -- Tony. M pgpstret0hxkh.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[4]: 3.5.27
Hello Paul. --On 20 June 2005 11:34 -0400 you wrote about Re[4]: 3.5.27: Sorry, your name isn't one of the three! That's OK. apology accepted. Have you asked for a refund? No, I don't want one. Despite what I've said I still think TB is THE best email client and I want to use it. I just don't like being invited to become a beta tester and to then be totally ignored and blanked when I report something not working in favour of trivia. If RIT was to just own up and say We don't know what's wrong and we're not capable of fixing it then that would be different. But they just keep blanking me and denying all knowledge of my requests. A simple explanation one way or the other would at least stop me living in anticipation of every new build, the anticipation that maybe there will be something for me rather than just another spelling mistake fix or pretty icon change. -- Tony. M pgpq36UzQdP8d.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Mod: DEAD HORSE (was: 3.5.27)
Hello Marck. --On 20 June 2005 17:05 +0100 you wrote about Mod: DEAD HORSE (was: 3.5.27): This topic has become far too heated and I am forced to pronounce it dead. Heated? I'd call it debate, a little strong at times maybe but not heated. However, your the boss, it's your list so I'll shut up. -- Tony. M pgp6VSEmAGKBD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Tony, On 20-06-2005 18:19, you [TB] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: TB If RIT was to just own up and say We don't know what's wrong and TB we're not capable of fixing it then that would be different. But TB they just keep blanking me and denying all knowledge of my requests. I, personally, have not experienced this but I think the point is that your problem maybe is not the most important from RitLabs from a business POV. We may neither think much of the new UI, but for RitLabs it might be a very good business decision to make this before IMAP. If you look back, you can also see a lot of posts from me complaining about IMAP when TB! suddenly became 3.0. But it is my experience that if you keep a fairly positive attitude and do all you can to help RitLabs with data, .etc., your issues are fixed faster. Note I say faster and not fast. I presume there is a business manager who decides what gets priority. IMAP has been identified for this 3.5.x series - but RitLabs have also said that it will be a monster effort - so probably someone is already working on the problem. RitLabs have always said that people do different things and new UI does not necessarily mean that no-one is working on IMAP at the same time. I, too, am waiting for IMAP improvements. Your problem is that deleted messages are not removed from IMAP folders when you switch to another folder? That works here with Exchange and MailMax. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.21 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello Peter. --On 20 June 2005 18:40 +0200 you wrote about Re: 3.5.27: I, personally, have not experienced this but I think the point is that your problem maybe is not the most important from RitLabs from a business POV. You mean they've already got my money so tough or they can sell more copies of TB if it looks nice with pretty icons than they could if it worked as an email client? Your problem is that deleted messages are not removed from IMAP folders when you switch to another folder? That works here with Exchange and MailMax. Works here with Mulberry. Kmail, T'Bird and OE. Still, not to worry eh? I have more important things to suss out now, my Daughters iMac for instance and I've never used one before and I can't find the right mouse button :) -- Tony. M pgprid1DotmiO.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Tony, On 20-06-2005 18:50, you [TB] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: TB You mean they've already got my money so tough or they can sell more TB copies of TB if it looks nice with pretty icons than they could if TB it worked as an email client? The latter. Also, I would guess it works as an e-mail client for 99% (at least) of its users (not meant as circular logic if you understand what I mean). Your problem is that deleted messages are not removed from IMAP folders when you switch to another folder? That works here with Exchange and MailMax. TB Works here with Mulberry. Kmail, T'Bird and OE. Still, not to worry eh? I was trying to help you to figure out where the problem might be - just forget what I wrote. TB I have more important things to suss out now, my Daughters iMac for TB instance and I've never used one before and I can't find the right TB mouse button :) Even worse is that although you move the mouse up and down it might move the cursor left-right. Whoever thought up the idea of a _round_ mouse should get fired. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.21 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello Peter. --On 20 June 2005 19:27 +0200 you wrote about Re: 3.5.27: Even worse is that although you move the mouse up and down it might move the cursor left-right. Whoever thought up the idea of a _round_ mouse should get fired. I've just sat here cleaning the bloody thing, tried 4 different mouse mats and a bare wooden desk... Is it supposed to behave totally randomly like that then? -- Tony. M pgpJhX1wQhpvD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello Tony, One public promise *30* versions ago, you tell me what's been done to improve IMAP in all those 30 builds? You are a nice guy and I do appreciate you but, to the Cesar what belongs to the Cesar ... Just to name a few: The Bat! 3.0.9.4 Return (pre-beta) [-] IMAP: not downloaded messages use grayed icons [-] IMAP: some message downloading fixes The Bat! version 3.0.9.5 Return Basically, it has many cosmetic fixes related to the new interface system and IMAP fixes. The Bat! 3.0.9.7 (pre-beta) [-] IMAP : more correct timeout handling on uploading The Bat! 3.0.9.10 Return [-] IMAP : folder list optimizations The Bat! 3.0.9.15 Return [-] IMAP : some list retrieval optimizations [-] IMAP : Wrong message display while retrieve only text and multipart messages [*] IMAP : Possibility to keep non-IMAP folders after 'Manage IMAP folders' close The Bat! 3.0.9.18 Return [-] Minor : IMAP Sync All menu item The Bat! 3.0.9.19 Return [-] IMAP : Remote attach actions are now executed after downloading [-] IMAP : Remote attach sizes are shown instead of zeros The Bat! 3.0.9.20 Return [-] IMAP : wrong body shown (I think) [-] IMAP : some minor message list changes [-] IMAP : option to allow simultaneous connections to one mailbox The Bat! 3.5 Return RC2 [-] IMAP : Remote Outbox draft deletion hangs [-] IMAP : the Outbox folder (local or remote) is not unbolded after the message is sent. If messages are automatically filtered from an outbox to an IMAP folder, [-] IMAP : cannot delete remote folders or make new folders (using Manage IMAP folders). The Bat! 3.5 Return RC5 [-] IMAP : drafts were not overwrited on some servers [-] IMAP : minor fixes The Bat! 3.5 Return RC7 [-] IMAP : Copying to local folders The Bat! 3.5 Return RC8 [-] IMAP : copy to local workaround for MailTraq [-] IMAP : AVs on exiting before real conversation The Bat! 3.5 [-] IMAP : attachs d'n'd [-] IMAP : some remote Outbox fixes And I may have missed some :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Tony, On 20-06-2005 19:46, you [TB] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: TB I've just sat here cleaning the bloody thing, tried 4 different TB mouse mats and a bare wooden desk... Is it supposed to behave TB totally randomly like that then? Awful usability: as the mouse is round, you have no feel for up/down/left/right. I hate those mice - we had some iMacs at university. Fortunately also PCs. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.21 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello MAU. --On 20 June 2005 19:56 +0200 you wrote about Re: 3.5.27: And I may have missed some :) So did RIT, the important ones :) -- Tony. M pgpybpZm7xz7r.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: 3.5.27
Hello Avi, Friday, June 17, 2005, 3:24:49, you wrote: However, I hope that in your list of small fixes you include the Connection Centre bug reports (like mine, which no one at RL has yet acknowledged) and also work out why the Message Finder hangs interminably for me when I install OTFE (and restore from backup) along with other people's reports of the Message Finder being slow or hanging. As soon as these bugs are at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt we will fix them. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.27
Hello all, Friday, June 17, 2005, Kevin Coates wrote: DH Must be very frustrating for some people, who constantly having DH problems to get 3.5.27 even started, to see that many of us don't DH have a single problem to get the program up running and are able DH to read and sent messages with it... sorry guys Very frustrating indeed. I just tried removing all of the plug-ins. TB still hangs, so its doesn't appear to be plug-in related. did You tried /NOLOGO commandline? -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.5.27 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello Maxim, Friday, June 17, 2005, 9:58:36 AM, you wrote: MM As soon as these bugs are at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt we will fix them. As soon or as long? ;-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.5.25 with MyMacros 1.11 Useless Macro Collection 2.1.1121 rc8 zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 2:1:52) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello Maxim, Maxim Masiutin wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): As soon as these bugs are at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt we will fix them. And because of this, there are no single new bug in BT. Of course ... -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27 Update ZoneAlarm Pro Wackiness (long)
Hello Daniel, Thursday, June 16, 2005, 7:49:49 PM, you wrote: DN Why did repeated manual additions of thebat.exe 3.5.27 to ZoneAlarm DN Pro cause regression of all of my filters and version number as DN reported in the Entry Details box on the Program Control tab of ZAP? I DN would be curious if you all think this is a ZAP issue or not. If so, I DN suppose I should move this over to the ZAP support forum. Hmmm I have the same version of ZAP and I used the rar update to get to .27 as well. I did not do anything special in ZAP and it shows the correct version for the TB executable in the Entry detail area and no version for the props.dll in the components list. You mention that ZAP showed the earlier version ... but it sounds like that was *before* you actually started TB. If that is the case, I would bet that ZAP still had the old version info because the new TB had not tried to access the internet and so ZAP had not seen it. I believe that ZAP has an internal database of program 'fingerprints' that it maintains independently of the list that you have control over in the Programs area. I suspect that if you had just started TB and then sent or received mail, the info would have been updated as soon as you allowed the access. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.27 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Greetings BatPeople, Friday, June 17, 2005, 4:06:14 AM, Marek wrote: M Hello all, M Friday, June 17, 2005, Kevin Coates wrote: DH Must be very frustrating for some people, who constantly having DH problems to get 3.5.27 even started, to see that many of us don't DH have a single problem to get the program up running and are able DH to read and sent messages with it... sorry guys Very frustrating indeed. I just tried removing all of the plug-ins. TB still hangs, so its doesn't appear to be plug-in related. M did You tried /NOLOGO commandline? Yes .. still hung. Tried replacing props.dll with .25 version .. still hung. Under .25 I get the Bayesit starting to flash up before the logo goes away. With the .27 I didnt even get that far. All I got was the logo ... even waited 5 minutes with no change before killing the process. -- Cheers, \\' Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.25 under Windows XP ver5.1 Build 2600 using a P4 2.8Ghz, 512MB RAM with cable modem Plugins: Grisoft AVG 7.0 // BayesIt! 0.8.1 Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[4]: 3.5.27
On 6/17/05, Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I hope that in your list of small fixes you include the Connection Centre bug reports (like mine, which no one at RL has yet acknowledged) and also work out why the Message Finder hangs interminably for me when I install OTFE (and restore from backup) along with other people's reports of the Message Finder being slow or hanging. As soon as these bugs are at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt we will fix them. Maxim, with all due respect, the Connection Centre bug that I am talking about has been on bt for well over a month and has not yet been assigned to anyone for fixing. Indeed, it seems that you are still unaware of the report, despite my repeated mention of it on this forum and confirmation of its existence by everyone who actually managed to reproduce the simple conditions. Please have a look at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4612 Regarding the OTFE bug, to be quite honest, the way in which my bug report on the Connection Centre has been ignored by RL has not encouraged me to file a report on BugTraq. Nevertheless, as a show of good faith, I have now filed a bug report on the OTFE issue as well. You can find it at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4778 -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello Kevin Coates everyone else, on 17-Jun-2005 at 02:26 you (Kevin Coates) wrote: Very frustrating indeed. I just tried removing all of the plug-ins. TB still hangs, so its doesn't appear to be plug-in related. Have you opened MAIL/TBPlugin.ini to see if its really empty and no plugins are active? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Allein in der Bar (4:03) by Helge Schneider from the album 'The Best Of' Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hi Marek, On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:06:14 +0200 (4:06 AM here), Marek Mikus [MM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Very frustrating indeed. I just tried removing all of the plug-ins. TB still hangs, so its doesn't appear to be plug-in related. MM did You tried /NOLOGO commandline? Yes, but the problem persists. If I have time this weekend, I'll try eliminating some accounts and see if its a problem unique to an account and its associated message base loading. I do run message base maintenance frequently with no problems. I suspect if I uninstall and reinstall without restoring a backup, TB will load. Of course this isn't very useful to me as some of my saved messages go back to Jan 1999. Because I did a complete uninstall and reinstalled using the MSI, I don't think its related to plug-ins or custom glyphs. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpAAXBRX6jxY.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.27
Hello all, Friday, June 17, 2005, Kevin Coates wrote: Very frustrating indeed. I just tried removing all of the plug-ins. TB still hangs, so its doesn't appear to be plug-in related. MM did You tried /NOLOGO commandline? Yes, but the problem persists. If I have time this weekend, I'll try eliminating some accounts and see if its a problem unique to an account and its associated message base loading. I do run message base maintenance frequently with no problems. check if You have batlogo.xml and if yes, rename it and check. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.5.27 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27 Update ZoneAlarm Pro Wackiness (long)
Hi Mike, Thursday, June 16, 2005, 7:49:49 PM, you wrote the following message: Message ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] md3 I suspect that if you had just started TB and then sent or md3 received mail, the info would have been updated as soon as you md3 allowed the access. - Once I did start TB! 3.5.27, approved the ZAP Alert POPup, the ZAP Program Control Tab Entry Details showed and old 3.x version while the HELP:ABOUT showed 3.5.27. Worse yet, why did all my filters revert back to a long unused set, perhaps corresponding to the version displayed in ZAP Entry Details? That was too weird. After uninstalling TB! altogether via control panel ARP (both entries!), then reinstalling the 3.5 release, then running the 3.5 release, approving the ZAP Alert POPup, and successfully checking/sending email, the ZAP Program Control Entry Details box now displays 3.5.27! The HELP:ABOUT shows 3.5, the splash screen shows 3.5, right-click in Windows Explorer on thebat.exe shows version 3.5.0.10. This latter incident makes me believe that something is messed up in ZoneAlarm Pro. I just can't explain my filters rolling back to a primitive setup I used perhaps 8 months ago or so. :/ Regards, Daniel -- Kindest Regards Daniel Nelson GnuPG Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xADFE407E Powered by The Bat! v3.5 Professional [POPFile] on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 - Antivirus scanned by NOD32 Enterprise. Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.27
On Friday, June 17, 2005, at 06:22 AM, Wolffe wrote: Yes .. still hung. Tried replacing props.dll with .25 version .. still hung. Finally decided to try here and no hang on my work machine. Message loading seems snappy enough. Interesting Another twilight moment. :) I'll enjoy it while it lasts. -- -= Allie M.=- Using TB! v3.5.27 System Specs: http://www.landscreek.net/sysspecs.htm =-=-= ...I know Karate, Kung Fu, and 47 other dangerous words Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27 Update ZoneAlarm Pro Wackiness (long)
Hello Daniel, This latter incident makes me believe that something is messed up in ZoneAlarm Pro. Dump ZA, I did so some 3 years ago. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.27 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
On Thursday, June 16, 2005, at 06:35 AM, Maxim Masiutin wrote: [-] Double click didn't work in folder selection dialog. Installed at work and using without problems for a while now. Pleasantly surprised. :) Pleasantly surprised indeed. Thought I'd let you know. Could be that it's a combination of TB! and my change of IMAP server. I'm now using FastMail. Though TB! needs to retrieve data to build the entire message list for a mailbox before you can browse it, I do have to hand it to TB!. I think it's the fastest at doing just that. I've not used another client that's as efficient at retrieving all that data so that threading can be done etc. ThunderBird was fast, but not as fast as TB!. So I'll see how often I end up with a corrupted cache etc. and see hwo things go. But right now, with a light inflow of new mail, things are smooth. -- -= Allie M.=- Using TB! v3.5.27 System Specs: http://www.landscreek.net/sysspecs.htm =-=-= ...The Majority is never right unless it includes me. Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.27 Update ZoneAlarm Pro Wackiness (long)
Hello Daniel, Friday, June 17, 2005, 8:42:26 AM, you wrote: DN I just can't explain my filters rolling back to a primitive setup I DN used perhaps 8 months ago or so. :/ I doubt it had anything to do with ZAP. ZAP has not given me any problems like that in all the years I have been using it. However I seem to recall a discussion about something like this happening to someone else here (the 'roll back' to an old setup). It could be that when you un-installed if removed a file that had the current config/preferences/etc data, but not some older stuff. When you re-installed, it found that old data and assumed you were updating and imported those old settings ... but that is just a guess on my part. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.27 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Dear Charlene, -- Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2005, 23:32:47: [...] 9Val gave me some hints, I deleted all Rit stuff and I finally succeeded. So you deleted TB!? Oh just a question ;) I'm gone already! -- best regards | Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 www.EddieCastelli.com | on Windows 2000 5.0 Eddie | Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on Tour | Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Mod: DEAD HORSE (was: 3.5.27)
Dear Marck, Dear all, -- Freitag, 17. Juni 2005, 12:28:16: KM You're not my father, and I don't need your permission! moderator This topic has become far too heated and I am forced to pronounce it dead. /moderator I really can't remember when I've read about a flame coming up on TB!beta or TB!ot ML. Moderators proves not to have fallen a sleep :) -- best regards | Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 www.EddieCastelli.com | on Windows 2000 5.0 Eddie | Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on Tour | Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hi Marek, On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:46:31 +0200 (9:46 AM here), Marek Mikus [MM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MM check if You have batlogo.xml and if yes, rename it and check. I don't have that file. I did notice something interesting about the message base. Normally my mail resides under the Application Data folder in \Batmail. When doing my testing and restoring from a backup, another directory was generated called /The Bat!. Has /Batmail been replaced by /The Bat! as the default installation in the Applications Data folder? I would think The Bat's backup and restore would honor whatever directory I originally was using. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpKu5vZdSzUD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Unicode support (was: 3.5.27)
Hello Maxim, On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 01:26:49 +0300 GMT (17/06/2005, 05:26 +0700 GMT), Maxim Masiutin wrote: MM We are now doing such fixes like [...] Unicode, Yipeee! :-) I'm looking forward to this, both in composing messages as well as displaying them in the PTV. MM they may take weeks to be fixed Take your time. I'm personally in no hurry, but I am glad it is finally being addressed. -- Cheers, Thomas. The tides are a fight between the Earth and moon. All water tends towards the moon, because there is no water in the moon, and nature abhors a vacuum. I forget where the sun joins in this fight. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.26 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Greetings BatPeople, Friday, June 17, 2005, 9:01:47 AM, Alexander wrote: A Hello Kevin Coates everyone else, A on 17-Jun-2005 at 02:26 you (Kevin Coates) wrote: Very frustrating indeed. I just tried removing all of the plug-ins. TB still hangs, so its doesn't appear to be plug-in related. A Have you opened MAIL/TBPlugin.ini to see if its really empty and no plugins A are active? I renamed tbplugin.ini. Still no-joy ... but a new, empty, tbplugin.ini was created .. probably when I went back to .25 -- Cheers, \\' Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.25 under Windows XP ver5.1 Build 2600 using a P4 2.8Ghz, 512MB RAM with cable modem Plugins: Grisoft AVG 7.0 // BayesIt! 0.8.1 Current beta is 3.5.28 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.5.27
Hello tbbeta, [-] Double click didn't work in folder selection dialog. http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb3527.rar -- Best regards, Maxim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
On 6/16/05, Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [-] Double click didn't work in folder selection dialog. http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb3527.rar Out of curiosity, who paid you guys to fix this particular problem... and how much did it cost? -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
On 6/16/05, Avi Yashar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/16/05, Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [-] Double click didn't work in folder selection dialog. http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb3527.rar Out of curiosity, who paid you guys to fix this particular problem... and how much did it cost? Irony. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
On 6/16/05, Avi Yashar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/16/05, Avi Yashar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/16/05, Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [-] Double click didn't work in folder selection dialog. http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb3527.rar Out of curiosity, who paid you guys to fix this particular problem... and how much did it cost? Irony. No, sarcasm. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hi Avi Yashar, Thursday, June 16, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : Out of curiosity, who paid you guys to fix this particular problem... and how much did it cost? Irony. No, sarcasm. No matter what it is, it is so good it deserves to be answered ASAP. -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.27 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello Maxim, Thursday, June 16, 2005, 1:35:53 PM, you wrote: MM [-] Double click didn't work in folder selection dialog. MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb3527.rar Nice Splash Screen. Not nice enough to be satisfied with only that, though. In other words: Not unlike 26, 27 hangs in the startup screen and is very good at that (hanging, that is)! ;-) :-( -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.5.25 with MyMacros 1.11 Useless Macro Collection 2.1.1121 rc8 zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 8:21:14) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, at 14:35:53 [GMT +0300] (which was 13:35 where I live) Maxim Masiutin wrote: Hello tbbeta, [-] Double click didn't work in folder selection dialog. http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb3527.rar Up and running :-) -- cheers, Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System? version 3.5.27 Pro on Windows XP SP2 Request-PGP: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0x6C9F6CE78C32408B Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgpo6aAkg5L38.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Cascading AVs with 3.5.27
Unfortunately, I only got a screen shot of the last active window before TB! closed itself. There is nothing related to TB! in the Event Viewer, so for what it's worth, here's the screen shot. -- Mike Using The Bat! v3.5.27 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 av.png Description: PNG image Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello Maxim! On Thursday, June 16, 2005, 6:35 AM, you wrote: [-] Double click didn't work in folder selection dialog. I don't know where this is, so can't check to confirm. What do I click on to get that dialog? http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb3527.rar Up and running, a quick download and trouble-free install and launch. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.27 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Out of curiosity, who paid you guys to fix this particular problem... and how much did it cost? Irony. No, sarcasm. No matter what it is, it is so good it deserves to be answered ASAP. Big disappointment. But then, you knew it would be didn't you, Maxim? What makes us think you owe us anything? Because you don't. Any benefit we receive, any improvement is a gift pure and simple. Anybody who has spent much time hanging around open message boards, or Usenet knows that they must expect a lot of griping, anger, and even taunting no matter what. Maybe trying to do your beta testing in such an environment was a bad decision. A thought to consider, Maxim. -- Gleason UsingTheBat!v3.5.26onWindowsXP5.1Build2600 ServicePack2PrimarilyusingtheFastmail IMAPserverwhichusesCyrus. Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.27
6/16/2005 10:24 AM Hi Avi, On 6/16/2005 Avi Yashar wrote: AY On 6/16/05, Avi Yashar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/16/05, Avi Yashar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/16/05, Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [-] Double click didn't work in folder selection dialog. http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb3527.rar Out of curiosity, who paid you guys to fix this particular problem... and how much did it cost? Irony. AY No, sarcasm. Expected...considering the source. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
On 6/16/05, Gleason Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of curiosity, who paid you guys to fix this particular problem... and how much did it cost? Irony. No, sarcasm. No matter what it is, it is so good it deserves to be answered ASAP. Big disappointment. But then, you knew it would be didn't you, Maxim? What makes us think you owe us anything? Because you don't. Any benefit we receive, any improvement is a gift pure and simple. Good grief, Gleason, what school of cutthroat capitalism did you study in? These remarks go well beyond the realm of caveat emptor that we have been reading in another thread. Gleason, you turn capitalism into a religion (which is not far from the truth), but then you make Ritlabs into a demigod and Maxim into a Ritlabs angel to be fawned over. Gleason, for your kind information, most of us here are not just voluntary beta testers but also customers. We bought a product with promised features, and we also dedicate our time to help make that product live up to those promises and improve to a standard beyond those promises. In other words, we, the beta testers, are also performing a service - what you call a gift pure and simple. Surely you don't think that we are doing this for the paltry discounts that Ritlabs gave us on their product! It it were about money, then I expect many if not most of us have enough savvy to get a free copy of TB (home or pro), which generally appears on the warez lists within hours of any production-level release. I have worked with several software products and the beta testers of those products. There is a mutual obligation in such a relationship. It is most assuredly not the one-way street that you not only describe but even recommend, Gleason! If we are going to talk about something pure and simple, then let it be the pure and simple fact that many of us on this forum are not just disappointed but angry. And quite possibly the main reason why we are angry is the fact that no one from Ritlabs has genuinely acknowledged our bug reports, much less come back to us with a roadmap that would let us know - approximately - the schedule for fixing those bugs (many of them quite fundamental). But then I think I said all of this already with my one short question to Maxim. I therefore apologize to everyone for repeating myself at such length. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.27
6/16/2005 12:56 PM Hi Avi, On 6/16/2005 Avi Yashar wrote: AY Good grief I can't take any more of this nonsense. AY which generally appears on the warez lists within AY hours of any production-level release. Interesting...so why do _you_ know this? AY pure and simple, then let it be the pure and simple fact that many Please find someone to explain this for you. AY of us on this forum are not just disappointed but angry. Speak for yourself. I haven't given you permission to speak for me! -- Had a belly full of..., Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Good grief, Gleason, what school of cutthroat capitalism did you study in? These remarks go well beyond the realm of caveat emptor that we have been reading in another thread. Gleason, you turn capitalism into a religion (which is not far from the truth), but then you make Ritlabs into a demigod and Maxim into a Ritlabs angel to be fawned over. Think about it, Maxim. -- Gleason UsingTheBat!v3.5.26onWindowsXP5.1Build2600 ServicePack2PrimarilyusingtheFastmail IMAPserverwhichusesCyrus. Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello Maxim, http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb3527.rar Up and running. Upgraded from 3.5.25 without problems. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.27 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hi Maxim Masiutin, Thursday, June 16, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : Hello tbbeta, [-] Double click didn't work in folder selection dialog. http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb3527.rar Up and running. Upgraded from 3.5.26 without problems -props.dll always has the same size, so what is the change in it? I will do some more testing on my favourite bugs. Yes, I am experimenting with animals! -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.27 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.27
Hello Charlene, On Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 22:54:59 GMT +0200 (which was 22:54:59 where I live), Charlene Ferrara wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of 3.5.27: Hi Maxim Masiutin, Thursday, June 16, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : Hello tbbeta, [-] Double click didn't work in folder selection dialog. http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb3527.rar Up and running. Upgraded from 3.5.26 without problems -props.dll always has the same size, so what is the change in it? I will do some more testing on my favourite bugs. Yes, I am experimenting with animals! Must be very frustrating for some people, who constantly having problems to get 3.5.27 even started, to see that many of us don't have a single problem to get the program up running and are able to read and sent messages with it... sorry guys :-( -- Best regards, Dick ___ Never tell the truth to people who are not worthy of it. Using The Bat! v3.5.27 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Privacy is your right...only if you defend it: http://www.metropipe.net/landing.cgi?id=cloggy Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hi Dick Hoogendoorn, Thursday, June 16, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : Must be very frustrating for some people, who constantly having problems to get 3.5.27 even started, to see that many of us don't have a single problem to get the program up running and are able to read and sent messages with it... sorry guys :-( I well remember the time I was standing on the other side of the fence, TB would not start no matter what I tried and clicked or typed. Even start parameters did not immediately help. I was both, sad and angry about a program that I had paid for which constantly refused to work. 9Val gave me some hints, I deleted all Rit stuff and I finally succeeded. -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.27 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.27
Hello Mary, Thursday, June 16, 2005, 19:10:52, you wrote: I don't know where this is, so can't check to confirm. What do I click on to get that dialog? When you select a group of messages and click Message - Move to folder..., this dialog pops up. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello Dick, Thursday, June 16, 2005, 11:15:23 PM, you wrote: DH Must be very frustrating for some people, who constantly having DH problems to get 3.5.27 even started, to see that many of us don't have a DH single problem to get the program up running and are able to read and DH sent messages with it... sorry guys Thanks (though I'am not about to commit suicide)! :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.5.25 with MyMacros 1.11 Useless Macro Collection 2.1.1121 rc8 zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 16:6:43) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.27
Hello Avi, Thursday, June 16, 2005, 19:45:17, you wrote: But then I think I said all of this already with my one short question to Maxim. I therefore apologize to everyone for repeating myself at such length. We are now doing such fixes like IMAP, Exchange and Unicode, they may take weeks to be fixed, there may be no betas during that period or just minor fixes like double clicks, please don't get bothered by them. If this fix gives no particular value to you, you may skip downloading this version, this is all too easy. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello Maxim! On Thursday, June 16, 2005, 5:17 PM, you wrote: I don't know where this is, so can't check to confirm. What do I click on to get that dialog? When you select a group of messages and click Message - Move to folder..., this dialog pops up. Ah, yes. I can confirm that double-click does indeed work. And I used it twice, just today. Using this dialog, I made an archive folder for two of my folders that are high-traffic, selected all the messages in each, and moved them to their respective archive folders. It was fast and easy. I like this feature of The Bat! immensely. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.27 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.27
Hello Mary, Thursday, June 16, 2005, 1:36:58, you wrote: It was fast and easy. I like this feature of The Bat! immensely. Thank you, small things can make big differences :-) Positive mindset is a prerequisite for wealth and health :-) -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hello Maxim! On Thursday, June 16, 2005, 5:51 PM, you wrote: It was fast and easy. I like this feature of The Bat! immensely. Thank you, small things can make big differences :-) Positive mindset is a prerequisite for wealth and health :-) Amen! So, be well. And acquire affluence--in moderation, of course. :) I admire your professional approach and demeanor very much. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.27 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
link for 3.5.27
tbbeta, Anyone have the link to download .27 -- Tim Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: link for 3.5.27
Hallo Tim, On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:39:08 -0400GMT (17-6-2005, 1:39 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TC Anyone have the link to download .27 mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Groetjes, Roelof Yawn: The only time some men get to open their mouths. The Bat! 3.5.26 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 accounts, server on LAN pgp1f04deHFdl.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hi Dick, On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 23:15:23 +0200 (5:15 PM here), Dick Hoogendoorn [DH] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: DH Must be very frustrating for some people, who constantly having DH problems to get 3.5.27 even started, to see that many of us don't DH have a single problem to get the program up running and are able DH to read and sent messages with it... sorry guys Very frustrating indeed. I just tried removing all of the plug-ins. TB still hangs, so its doesn't appear to be plug-in related. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpYLis4b3oSW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: 3.5.27
On 6/17/05, Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But then I think I said all of this already with my one short question to Maxim. I therefore apologize to everyone for repeating myself at such length. We are now doing such fixes like IMAP, Exchange and Unicode, they may take weeks to be fixed, there may be no betas during that period or just minor fixes like double clicks, please don't get bothered by them. If this fix gives no particular value to you, you may skip downloading this version, this is all too easy. Thanks for small roadmap, Maxim. This is a large part of what I've wanted to know for the last month. However, I hope that in your list of small fixes you include the Connection Centre bug reports (like mine, which no one at RL has yet acknowledged) and also work out why the Message Finder hangs interminably for me when I install OTFE (and restore from backup) along with other people's reports of the Message Finder being slow or hanging. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.26 Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.5.27 Update ZoneAlarm Pro Wackiness (long)
Hi tbbeta'ers, My apologies in advance, but I am a TBBETA DIGEST subscriber so I fear any replies I give will screw up a lot of people's threading. I may be a bit verbose in this submission (my second ever) attempting to preempt potential questions about what I did procedurally to lead up to my dilemma. I am also not sure whether this is a ZoneAlarm Pro issue, The Bat! issue, or a combination of the two. Here are some basics about my system: Registered version of The Bat! (version and system specs in signature) ZoneAlarm Pro 5.5.094.000 - Registered version I was running along and updating my betas perfectly up through the stable :) version of TB 3.5 release. I installed updates periodically over time using both simple replacement via RAR contents -- and complete installers via the MSI's. The most recent installations were as follows: 3.5 Release Version installed via MSI 3.5.26 version installed via MSI 3.5.27 version installed via RAR contents replacing only thebat.exe and props.dll (the props.dll version was the same going from 3.5.26 to 3.5.27 btw) TB! application files are installed in the default C: drive path, and TB! data/working files are installed on my D: drive (a separate, physical drive). Typically, I let ZoneAlarm Pro automatically recognise the new version upon execution ... THEN set the access permissions for Internet to ALLOW and server permissions to DENY, and email permission of course to ALLOW. Why I deviated from this pattern, I don't really know! :P Upon replacing the props.dll and 3.5.26 thebat.exe with the 3.5.27 thebat.exe, and before running thebat 3.5.27 for the first time, I went into ZoneAlarm Pro's Program Control settings and removed the entry for thebat.exe 3.5.26 -- then manually added thebat.exe 3.5.27 and set permissions. When I looked down in the Program Control tab's Entry Details box in ZoneAlarm's window, I noticed that thebat.exe's version was reported either as 3.5.26 or 3.5 (but definitely not 3.5.27), I can't recall which. So, I manually removed the entry and again manually added thebat.exe ... which caused the Entry Details version to go back to the next prior version. I repeated this process a couple more time, each time noting that the version reported in the Entry Details was going backwards, although no other executables in the Program Entry tab suffered a similar fate. When I actually ran TheBat! 3.5.27, the HELP:ABOUT reported correctly that the version was 3.5.27, however my filters had rolled back to settings I used quite a long while ago. I am not sure whether the filters matched the settings I used corresponding to the ZoneAlarm Program Control Entry Details reported version or not. I uninstalled TheBat! via Add/Remove Programs -- keeping intact my working files and directories. There were two entries, one labelled TheBat! (Professional Edition) and one labelled TheBat! 3.5.26. I removed both, then reinstalled TheBat! 3.5 release version. I then RESTORED from my 3.5 release version backup all settings that were available via checkbox ticks. My filters came back up-to-date just fine. HELP:ABOUT reports the version as 3.5 ... but ZoneAlarm Pro is still reporting thebat.exe version as 3.5.27! oomph. Why did repeated manual additions of thebat.exe 3.5.27 to ZoneAlarm Pro cause regression of all of my filters and version number as reported in the Entry Details box on the Program Control tab of ZAP? I would be curious if you all think this is a ZAP issue or not. If so, I suppose I should move this over to the ZAP support forum. Thanks for any insight you may shed. Daniel -- Kindest Regards, Daniel Nelson, President Calderus Corporation MerchantIPS Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xADFE407E Powered by The Bat! v3.5 Professional [POPFile] on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 - Antivirus scanned by NOD32 Enterprise. Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: 3.5.27
Hi Paul, On 6/16/05, Paul Van Noord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AY of us on this forum are not just disappointed but angry. Speak for yourself. I haven't given you permission You're not my father, and I don't need your permission! See how foolish it is when you quote things out of context? Avi, clearly said many, not all, but you cut that part out. Now, the definition of many is subjective, but you can safely exclude yourself from it. Apologies to everyone else. I tried hard to refrain from responding, but this list is getting ridiculous with the attitudes people throw around on it these days. Everything from bickering over spelling and grammar to arguing about irony versus sarcasm to wanting to ban people over a matter of threading. That's not to say I expect everyone to see eye-to-eye on everything, but respectfully disagree and have a little tact. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
