How do I...

2010-11-14 Thread Bob Riley
 turn off the virtual preview window, and only leave the preview
pane on (as was normal until beta 5 appeared)?

Hi Everyone,

I  can't find how to turn off that virtual preview (my term) window,
which  I  find  quite  distracting.   Someone  mentioned  how to do it
earlier, but I've misfiled that message.

I assume the idea of the (growing, as one moves the mouse cursor)
virtual preview window is related to security - it means you wouldn't
have to use the regular preview window at all, but merely have the
message list displayed. But for me, the costs/nuisance factor is much
higher than the security benefit.

Thanks for any help here.  I hope everyone and your friends/family has
a great Sunday and week.
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Re: How do I...

2010-11-14 Thread Stuart Cuddy
Hello Bob,
  A reminder of what Bob Riley typed on:
  Sunday, November 14, 2010 at 09:28:12 GMT -0700

BR  turn off the virtual preview window, and only leave the preview
BR pane on (as was normal until beta 5 appeared)?

Options/Preferences/Other Options/Hints



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Re: How do I...

2010-11-14 Thread Bob Riley
Hi Stuart,

Sunday, November 14, 2010, 9:32:49 AM, you wrote:

 Hello Bob,

 Options/Preferences/Other Options/Hints

Thank  you!   Was  I  right,  do  you  think,  in  assuming that these
translucent  hints  are intended to allow keeping the preview window
closed, as a security tool?

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Re: How do I...

2010-11-14 Thread Raymund Tump
Hi Bob!

 Options/Preferences/Other Options/Hints

 Thank  you!   Was  I  right,  do  you  think,  in  assuming that these
 translucent  hints  are intended to allow keeping the preview window
 closed, as a security tool?

Well, I can't see how that adds security as the mail is not shown
completely and a HTML mail is shown as it would show up in the message
window.

Anyway I just found a bug with IMAP. If I hover over a message that
hasn't been downloaded yet the download is triggered but the hint is a
small rectangle and is never updated.

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Re: How do I...

2010-11-14 Thread Bob Riley
Hi Raymund,

Sunday, November 14, 2010, 10:01:55 AM, you wrote:


 Well, I can't see how that adds security as the mail is not shown
 completely and a HTML mail is shown as it would show up in the message
 window.

Hmmm.. if that is true, then what is the advantage of the hint window?
 I don't miss it, having turned it off per your note of how to do it.

 Anyway I just found a bug with IMAP. If I hover over a message that
 hasn't been downloaded yet the download is triggered but the hint is a
 small rectangle and is never updated.

In my case, the message  body is downloaded automatically from
Gmail's  IMAP server.  So if at first, for a second or a few, the tiny
rectangle shows, it soon grows and reveals the message body.

I  do  think  beta  5  is  much quicker than beta 4 when downloading a
larger queue of messages (for example, if I haven't checked mail for a
day  or  two).  That is good news, indeed!  I may soon return to using
TB for my primary mail program, instead of Thunderbird.  Hooray!


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How do I get rid of rogue standard icons?

2009-07-04 Thread Steve Harris
Hi,

I've got three sets of Mark as Junk and Mark as NOT junk icons (6
icons in all - 3 sets) but they don't show up when I go to customize so
I can't delete any of them especially the extra ones!!!

How do I get rid of the extra sets and if I add anything else that
doesn't show up the next time I go to customize???

HHllppp

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Re: How do I get rid of rogue standard icons?

2009-07-04 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Steve,

On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 16:39:50 +0100GMT (4-7-2009, 17:39 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

SH How do I get rid of the extra sets and if I add anything else that
SH doesn't show up the next time I go to customize???

 'customise - restore to default' might help
 or renaming your tbuser.def to tbuser.def.old (with TB shut down)

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Re: How do I get rid of rogue standard icons?

2009-07-04 Thread Steve Harris
Hi Roelof,

Cheers - restore to default didn't work but renaming the
tbuser.def and starting with a fresh one did.

Thanks!

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Re: 4.0.12 - How do I get my CSAPI back?

2008-02-10 Thread Stefan Tanurkov
Hello Ian,

IAW I had a look at your other posts on the spell checker. The problem
IAW here is that I have been using Office 2000 Premium for around 3 
IAW years.

Office 2000 has no CSAPI, so no wonder you can't use it.


IAW Until the most recent MSI updates, I had full use of the CSAPI
IAW spell checker.

How do you know that you were using CSAPI before? May be you're being
confused it with SSCE?


IAW Personally I do not care which spell checker is there, as long as it 
IAW actually works. At the moment (as in my post), it appears that any 
IAW spelling is OK as long as the first character is uppercase, or the 
IAW whole word is uppercase, just as long as you do not have an uppercase 
IAW character in any other position and there are lowercase characters as 
IAW well.

Can I see a screen shot of your message editor with cases you
describe please?


IAW Then there is the inability to add words.

Do you have an user dictionary selected in the Dictionary to add
to? If so, is that dictionary of British English (you can see it in
the Dictionary manager).

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Re: 4.0.12 - How do I get my CSAPI back?

2008-02-10 Thread MAU
Hello Ian,

M Do you perhaps say that because you no longer see the bar line that 
M used to separate the SSCE languages from the CSAPI ones? If so, the 
M separator is gone with the redesign. You have a number of languages 
M available to choose from no matter from which set (engine) they are.

 No, it is because in the Spell Checker|Options dialog I only see SSCE 
 and Hunspell.

Yes, that's where you should see it.

 I had a look at your other posts on the spell checker. The problem 
 here is that I have been using Office 2000 Premium for around 3 
 years. Until the most recent MSI updates, I had full use of the CSAPI 
 spell checker. I have not made any changes to my system other than 
 run the MSI package and now the CSAPI spell checker has gone.

As Stefan has already asked you, how do you know that you were using
CSAPI before?

And I see Stefan has replied to the rest of your message.

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Re: 4.0.12 - How do I get my CSAPI back?

2008-02-10 Thread George M. Menegakis
Hello Stefan,

Sunday, February 10, 2008, 10:13:19 AM, you wrote:

IAW Until the most recent MSI updates, I had full use of the CSAPI
IAW spell checker.

 How do you know that you were using CSAPI before? May be you're being
 confused it with SSCE?

Well, that's the case here. Till alpha 12 I had greek CSAPI spell check. And
I know it was CSAPI because SSCE doesn't have greek. Now the CSAPI is gone
and I'm stuck with hunspell which is vastly inferior to CSAPI.

There is no CSAPI here but up to alpha 12 there was. So there is definitely
something you have done on alpha13 and later that broke that.

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Re: 4.0.12 - How do I get my CSAPI back?

2008-02-09 Thread MAU
Hello Ian,

 With the latest release versions I no longer see the CSAPI 
 dictionaries. I have Office 2000 Premium loaded but now I no longer 
 have use of the CSAPI dictionaries. What do I need to do to get that 
 back?

Do you perhaps say that because you no longer see the bar line that 
used to separate the SSCE languages from the CSAPI ones? If so, the 
separator is gone with the redesign. You have a number of languages 
available to choose from no matter from which set (engine) they are.

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Re: 4.0.12 - How do I get my CSAPI back?

2008-02-09 Thread Keith Russell

Ian A. White wrote:
No, it is because in the Spell Checker|Options dialog I only see SSCE 
and Hunspell.


  
I have the same problem. I don't know whether this is a new issue, 
because I just discovered the Spell Checker Options. In any case, CSAPI 
is not available in the options.


I have both Office 2003 and Office 2007 installed (as well as older 
versions of Access and Publisher). Is it possible that TB is confused 
because of the multiple versions?


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CANNOT Repair My IMAP Database (Was: Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?)

2005-07-26 Thread Keith Russell

Hi, everyone.

On Tuesday, June 28, 2005, 11:29:37 PM, I wrote:

I'm still on version 3.0.9.13. One reason that I have never upgraded 
this version and completely stopped using The Bat! some time ago is that 
it is unusable due to a constantly recurring error message.


No matter which account I'm working in, one IMAP account continues to 
generate the following error:


An error occurred while reading the message base ...\Fastmail 
(IMAP)\55DBCDFF.TBB. Do you want to repair the message base now?


I have tried clicking Yes and repairing the file, but it doesn't help. 
Every few seconds, this message pops up, making it impossible to work.


Can someone tell me the best way to deal with this? Since this is IMAP, 
can I just delete the TBB file and let TB rebuild it?


At the time, I received several helpful replies. At one point, I
thought I had the problem solved, but was never brave enough to
upgrade until installing 3.51.10 today.

As soon as I started up the new version, I started getting the
error popups (this time for 0588F103.TBB). As before, I was asked
whether I wanted to repair the message base, but whether I
pressed Yes or No, the error message would immediately pop up
again. I was able to eventually get to the repair dialog, but of
course, there was no way to tell which real folder 0588F103.TBB
belonged to. I selected the account name and ran the repair for
all folders in the account.

Just as on previous betas, it found problems with over 20 folders
and claimed to have recovered several thousand messages. However,
for Inbox, it said Folder is not repaired: Could not write
rebuilt data. For all other folders, it said Messages
recovered: x, damaged parts (part???.bin) saved:0. (Anybody
know what this means?)

All the time the repair was running, and after it completed, I
had two popup errors present--no matter how many times I tried to
dismiss them, they kept coming back. I ran the repair two more
times (a lengthy process), with over 20 folders repaired each
time, and the popups continued.

No way could I get to a menu to disconnect from the server, nor
could I repair the database. The next challenge was to close the
program. After literally hundreds of clicks in the error dialogs,
on the close buttons, and on confirmation dialogs, I finally got
it to close.

Eventually, I used Explorer to delete the TBB and TBI files from
the Inbox folder, and that did seem to fix the problem.

I am reporting this again because, although I may be the only one
to have experienced this, someone else will certainly encounter
it, and it could very well be a novice user (this is a released
version) who has no clue what to do.

Someone suggested in a followup in this thread back in June that
the error message be changed to be more helpful. Not only that,
but I think it is critical that there be some way to dismiss the
error message without it continuing to pop up eternally.

(And now to see if I can actually post this followup using TB!)

Postscript: The answer is no, I wasn't able to post using TB.
(I'm using Thunderbird again.) Worse yet, immediately after the
send failed, I started to get the same error all over again, and
again for the same file--which I had deleted earlier and
supposedly had been rebuilt! (I guess it's possible that the file
wasn't related to Inbox, and I hadn't deleted it. If that's the
case, though, why did things work for a while with no errors? And
if not, how do I find out which folder 0588F103.TBB does belong
to? I asked this question last month, but didn't get an answer.)

This time, I was somehow able to disconnect from the server
before I started the repair. It didn't help, though; once the
repair started, the error continued to pop up--over and over and
over

As I sent this message the first time (I thought), I was about to
post regarding a couple of other problems I was having. Guess
they'll have to wait until (if?) I'm able to get this one
resolved. :-(

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Re: CANNOT Repair My IMAP Database (Was: Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?)

2005-07-26 Thread Keith Russell
Well, after I posted a few minutes ago, I started up The Bat! 
again, and this time, quickly switched away from Inbox to a 
different folder as soon as possible. I navigated around to 
several folders before going back to Inbox.


It's now been several minutes, and no error messages. So what 
makes the difference??? I'm baffled


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Re: CANNOT Repair My IMAP Database (Was: Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?)

2005-07-26 Thread -=Curtis=-
On Tuesday, July 26, 2005 at 2:45:10 AM [GMT -0500], Keith Russell
wrote:

Firstly, I'm a FastMail user and can confirm that TB! can work well with
it. So your problems with it should be reproducible by me if there were
problems with FastMail.

 As soon as I started up the new version, I started getting the error
 popups (this time for 0588F103.TBB). As before, I was asked whether I
 wanted to repair the message base, but whether I pressed Yes or No,
 the error message would immediately pop up again. I was able to
 eventually get to the repair dialog, but of course, there was no way
 to tell which real folder 0588F103.TBB belonged to. I selected the
 account name and ran the repair for all folders in the account.



 Eventually, I used Explorer to delete the TBB and TBI files from the
 Inbox folder, and that did seem to fix the problem.

You could open the properties of one of the problem folders and delete
the cache. When TB! caches your mail locally, it creates a tbi (index
file for message list) and a tbb file (an actual message base). Hitting
the delete cache button deletes those two files.

 I am reporting this again because, although I may be the only one
 to have experienced this, someone else will certainly encounter
 it, and it could very well be a novice user (this is a released
 version) who has no clue what to do.

Your problem is odd indeed and despite all of TB!'s problems with IMAP,
I'm finding it difficult to think the problem is with TB!. For some
reason, your cache files are being corrupted. The fact that ThunderBird
is OK doesn't necessarily mean that your machine is OK or that some
other application is interfering with TB!. I don't know how willing you
are to go down that road of trouble shooting.

 Someone suggested in a followup in this thrad back in June that
 the error message be changed to be more helpful. Not only that,
 but I think it is critical that there be some way to dismiss the
 error message without it continuing to pop up eternally.

Why suppress errors that really shouldn't be triggered? I can't recall
the last time I've seen one of those errors. When I did see one, it
would pop up once. I delete the cache and it would go away. However,
those days are long gone.

I'm actually pleased with the cache integrity now. I haven't deleted a
TB! cache file in quite a while. I can't recall the last time actually.

 (And now to see if I can actually post this followup using TB!)

 Postscript: The answer is no, I wasn't able to post using TB.
 (I'm using Thunderbird again.) Worse yet, immediately after the
 send failed, I started to get the same error all over again, and
 again for the same file--which I had deleted earlier and
 supposedly had been rebuilt!

This is really strange and further makes me wonder what's really
happening to your cache files. I'd start thinking more of the system in
general and not just TB!. ThunderBird manages, but TB! isn't managing.

What's your system like?

Hardware description (processor and ram, hard disk space)

OS? Version?

Antivirus software running and is it proxying your IMAP connection?

Any other scanners running that may be scanning cache files as they're
written?

How is your machine otherwise? All other apps running well?

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Re: CANNOT Repair My IMAP Database (Was: Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?)

2005-07-26 Thread Mike Rourke
TBBETA  Keith,
 

:snip:  No way could I get to a menu to disconnect from the server, nor
could I repair the database. :snip:

You have to click on the IMAP account, click on the Account --
IMAP Commands --, Disconnect from Server **before** you run folder
maintenance, otherwise TB! will interact with the server, possibly
trying to read/write to the very file it is trying to fix. If this
happens, it may corrupt the file even further or corrupt a previously
undamaged folder. After the folder maintenance is complete, you can go
back to Accounts -- IMAP Commands -- Connect to Server.

:snip:  As soon as I started up the new version, I started getting the
error popups (this time for 0588F103.TBB). As before, I was asked
whether I wanted to repair the message base :snip:

I use IMAP (Fastmail) without problems. As long as you leave your
e-mails on the IMAP server as intended, you can right click on the
folder, Properties and clear the cache. I actually have the Clear
cache on exit checked for my high traffic folders and I make sure I
dump the cache and rebuild it at least every couple of days or so. An
e-mail program that utilizes a local cache for IMAP (POP too for that
matter) folders will always corrupt eventually with a high
population/high traffic folder due to file fragmentation. The only
thing that is corrupt is the local cache on the hard drive, not the
files sitting on the IMAP server (although it is possible). It is
always a good idea to break down your e-mail folders on the IMAP
server into smaller archive folders, grouping by year, month, whatever
works for you.

:snip:  For all other folders, it said Messages recovered: x, damaged
parts (part???.bin) saved:0. (Anybody know what this means?) :snip:

From TB's Help file:

Damaged parts are saved into the folder's home directory with a .BIN
extension. Those files may contain parts of damaged messages, so you
can view them with any binary file viewer (you can find plenty of them
by searching the Internet, even the standard Notepad can be used) and
save any relevant information you can find.



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Re: CANNOT Repair My IMAP Database (Was: Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?)

2005-07-26 Thread -=Curtis=-
On Tuesday, July 26, 2005 at 3:46:45 PM [GMT -0500], Mike Rourke wrote:

 :snip:  No way could I get to a menu to disconnect from the server,
 nor could I repair the database. :snip:

The pacmen are cute, but the noise level is high in the message when
they're so numerous. They're distracting and they don't provide the
clarity of quote prefixing with colour contrasting. Additionally, those
without smileys enabled will see no immediate difference between what's
a quotation from what's your responses. Thought I'd let you know since I
appreciate your messages and wish not to have to ignore them or have
them ignored by others for the wrong reasons. :)

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Re[2]: CANNOT Repair My IMAP Database (Was: Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?)

2005-07-26 Thread Mike Rourke
TBBETA,
 
On 7/26/2005, 05:02 PM, you scribbled:

C On Tuesday, July 26, 2005 at 3:46:45 PM [GMT -0500], Mike Rourke wrote:

 :snip:  No way could I get to a menu to disconnect from the server,
 nor could I repair the database. :snip:

C The pacmen are cute, but the noise level is high in the message when
C they're so numerous. They're distracting and they don't provide the
C clarity of quote prefixing with colour contrasting. Additionally, those
C without smileys enabled will see no immediate difference between what's
C a quotation from what's your responses. Thought I'd let you know since I
C appreciate your messages and wish not to have to ignore them or have
C them ignored by others for the wrong reasons. :)

Ohhh, I usually use snip or :snip : (space intended), I never
thought it equated to a smiley, guess I'll go back to  . Sorry about
that...

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Re[2]: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?

2005-07-05 Thread 9Val
Hello Manuel, 

 An error occurred while reading the message base ...\Fastmail
 (IMAP)\55DBCDFF.TBB. Do you want to repair the message base now?

 This error message is a bit silly, perhaps we need to discuss these messages
 in IMAP accounts in general with the developers. Everything is on the server
 and when there is something corrupt in the message base, than TB! should just
 fetch the needed informations from the server.
 9Val, Maxim - thinking of implementing this feature or is it silly?

That  error  message  notifies that something wrong occured with local
cache and has nothing common with server-side mailbox state.

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Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?

2005-07-05 Thread Manuel Breitfeld
Hello 9Val,

On Tuesday, 05 Juli 2005 at 03:19 PM you (9Val) wrote:

  An error occurred while reading the message base ...\Fastmail
  (IMAP)\55DBCDFF.TBB. Do you want to repair the message base now?
 
  This error message is a bit silly, perhaps we need to discuss these
  messages in IMAP accounts in general with the developers. Everything is
  on the server and when there is something corrupt in the message base,
  than TB! should just fetch the needed informations from the server.
  9Val, Maxim - thinking of implementing this feature or is it silly?

 That  error  message  notifies that something wrong occured with local
 cache and has nothing common with server-side mailbox state.

Nope, that's not what I intended to say. I know that nothing is corrupt on the 
server.

I would have suggested the following action ins Pseudo Code:
if ( getCurrentMessageBase().isCorrupt()  getCurrentAccount().isIMAP() ) {
 displayMessage( Your local message base is corrupt. Do you want to
  fetch the required information from the server? );
}

Actually the user is a bit swamped with the message. He doesn't get any 
suggestion what has to be done, whereas fetching the required information 
should be easy to handle, shouldn't it?

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Upgrading (Was: Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?)

2005-06-30 Thread Keith Russell

Manuel Breitfeld wrote:

Since you are a IMAP user I would strongly recommend to update to the newest 
beta version. Really, you *must* do this. ;-)


Okay, so I think I have my problem fixed.

What is the latest stable, safe version I should install to start 
testing again? I see some worrisome posts about the two latest 
versions


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Re: Upgrading (Was: Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?)

2005-06-30 Thread Allie Martin
On Thursday, June 30, 2005 at 1:36:58 AM [GMT -0500], Keith Russell
wrote:

 Okay, so I think I have my problem fixed.

 What is the latest stable, safe version I should install to start 
 testing again? I see some worrisome posts about the two latest 
 versions

I can't think of a build that doesn't have worrisome posts associated
with it. Just download the latest beta from the beta page and try it.

IMAP fixes have been frequent these last three or so builds.

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Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?

2005-06-29 Thread 9Val
Hello Keith,  

KR I have tried clicking Yes and repairing the file, but it doesn't
KR help. Every few seconds, this message pops up, making it 
KR impossible to work.

You'd   better   to   find   out  which  IMAP  mailbox  it  is  and in
disconnected  state repair it through folder maintenance. Or you could
use 'Clear cache' button.

KR Can someone tell me the best way to deal with this? Since this is 
KR IMAP, can I just delete the TBB file and let TB rebuild it?

Yes,   it   is  another  way,  but  you should delete both TBB and TBI
files (the way 'Clear cache' button works)

KR I'm still on version 3.0.9.13. One reason that I have never
KR upgraded this version and completely stopped using The Bat! some 
KR time ago is that it is unusable due to a constantly recurring
KR error message.

Since  3.0.9.13  there  was  a  lot  of changes of how IMAP works with
message  bases.  It  should  be  more  reliable  now, so if you'll fix
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Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?

2005-06-29 Thread Manuel Breitfeld
Hi Keith,

On Wednesday, 29 June 2005 at 07:29 AM you (Keith Russell) wrote:

 I'm still on version 3.0.9.13. One reason that I have never
 upgraded this version and completely stopped using The Bat! some
 time ago is that it is unusable due to a constantly recurring
 error message.

Since you are a IMAP user I would strongly recommend to update to the newest 
beta version. Really, you *must* do this. ;-)

 An error occurred while reading the message base ...\Fastmail
 (IMAP)\55DBCDFF.TBB. Do you want to repair the message base now?

This error message is a bit silly, perhaps we need to discuss these messages 
in IMAP accounts in general with the developers. Everything is on the server 
and when there is something corrupt in the message base, than TB! should just 
fetch the needed informations from the server.
9Val, Maxim - thinking of implementing this feature or is it silly?

 I have tried clicking Yes and repairing the file, but it doesn't
 help. Every few seconds, this message pops up, making it
 impossible to work.

Annoying...

 Can someone tell me the best way to deal with this? Since this is
 IMAP, can I just delete the TBB file and let TB rebuild it?

Yes, you can. You can do this on the file system with your favorite explorer 
or just use TB!. That's what I would recommend.
Right-click on the folder where this file belongs to, navigate to Properties 
and select Delete cache. I hope and think this option is given in your 
version. Seeing your description the file we're are talking about has to be 
in the inbox, right?

After the cache is deleted, TB! will fetch the whole message information from 
the server and everything should be back to normal.

Nevertheless, please *do* thinking about to update to the newest version. IMAP 
has made big efforts since the version you're using and you probably would be 
sad having not updated earlier. ;-)

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Re[2]: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?

2005-06-29 Thread Alto Speckhardt
Hi,

MB Since you are a IMAP user I would strongly recommend to update to the newest
MB beta version. Really, you *must* do this. ;-)

Again, this must ly in the eye of the beholder. I'm running v3.0.1.33
on a production machine and v3.5.current on a test environment.
_Every_ version after v3.0.1.33 I've tried is worse on IMAP than this
one.

So as the exact opposite of your advice I'd suggest a downgrade
instead of the upgrade. I'm using the two versions almost next to each
other so I can very easily see the differences. My hope is in what Val
recently said about the redesign of IMAP from the ground - to me it
would already be a success getting v3.5.x as stable as v3.0.1.33.

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Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?

2005-06-29 Thread Allie Martin
On Wednesday, June 29, 2005 at 5:30:33 AM [GMT -0500], Alto Speckhardt
wrote:

 Again, this must ly in the eye of the beholder. I'm running v3.0.1.33
 on a production machine and v3.5.current on a test environment.
 _Every_ version after v3.0.1.33 I've tried is worse on IMAP than this
 one.

But are you a FastMail user like myself, Manuel and Keith?

If Keith hadn't said he was a FastMail user, I'd not have recommended an
upgrade so much.

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Re[2]: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?

2005-06-29 Thread Alto Speckhardt
Hi Allie,

AM But are you a FastMail user like myself, Manuel and Keith?
AM If Keith hadn't said he was a FastMail user, I'd not have recommended an
AM upgrade so much.

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Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?

2005-06-29 Thread Allie Martin
On Wednesday, June 29, 2005 at 1:17:48 AM [GMT -0500], Manuel Breitfeld
wrote:

 An error occurred while reading the message base ...\Fastmail
 (IMAP)\55DBCDFF.TBB. Do you want to repair the message base now?

 This error message is a bit silly, perhaps we need to discuss these
 messages in IMAP accounts in general with the developers. Everything
 is on the server and when there is something corrupt in the message
 base, than TB! should just fetch the needed informations from the
 server. 9Val, Maxim - thinking of implementing this feature or is it
 silly?

I agree. It's sort of misleading to the user, unless the user is savvy.

A message like this would be:

'An error occurred while reading the cached message base for the mailbox
'mailbox name'. To attempt a repair, press cancel and after
disconnecting from the server, use the repair option in the folder
maintenance. To delete the cached base, then press the 'delete cache'
button.

 After the cache is deleted, TB! will fetch the whole message
 information from the server and everything should be back to normal.

It's the TBB file so that's the file that contains message bodies. The
message list index seems ok. So it will be cached copies of the
retrieved message bodies that would be lost.

 Nevertheless, please *do* thinking about to update to the newest
 version. IMAP has made big efforts since the version you're using and
 you probably would be sad having not updated earlier.

I agree with this. I'm a FastMail user too and find these latter
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Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?

2005-06-29 Thread Keith Russell

Hi, Val.

Thanks very much for the quick reply.

9Val wrote:
Hello Keith,  


KR I have tried clicking Yes and repairing the file, but it doesn't
KR help. Every few seconds, this message pops up, making it 
KR impossible to work.


You'd   better   to   find   out  which  IMAP  mailbox  it  is  and in
disconnected  state repair it through folder maintenance. Or you could
use 'Clear cache' button.


How do I find out which mailbox it is? And how do I get it to
disconnect (especially with all the popup messages)?

By the way, it's not a single mailbox. After I posted, I tried to
exit TB and started getting error messages for another mailbox.
When this happens, it's almost impossible to exit TB.

KR Can someone tell me the best way to deal with this? Since this is 
KR IMAP, can I just delete the TBB file and let TB rebuild it?


Yes,   it   is  another  way,  but  you should delete both TBB and TBI
files (the way 'Clear cache' button works)


Thanks. That might be the easiest way.


KR I'm still on version 3.0.9.13. One reason that I have never
KR upgraded this version and completely stopped using The Bat! some 
KR time ago is that it is unusable due to a constantly recurring

KR error message.

Since  3.0.9.13  there  was  a  lot  of changes of how IMAP works with
message  bases.  It  should  be  more  reliable  now, so if you'll fix
corrupted base, try the newer version.


I'm glad to hear that. I would REALLY like to be able to use The
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How Do I Repair My IMAP database?

2005-06-28 Thread Keith Russell

Hi, everyone.

I'm still on version 3.0.9.13. One reason that I have never 
upgraded this version and completely stopped using The Bat! some 
time ago is that it is unusable due to a constantly recurring 
error message.


No matter which account I'm working in, one IMAP account 
continues to generate the following error:


An error occurred while reading the message base ...\Fastmail 
(IMAP)\55DBCDFF.TBB. Do you want to repair the message base now?


I have tried clicking Yes and repairing the file, but it doesn't 
help. Every few seconds, this message pops up, making it 
impossible to work.


Can someone tell me the best way to deal with this? Since this is 
IMAP, can I just delete the TBB file and let TB rebuild it?


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Re: How Do I Keep IMAP From Connecting?

2004-12-05 Thread Allie
Hi Keith Russell,
 On 5/12/2004 1:51 AM, you wrote:
Clarification: I just timed it, and I'm getting the login dialog 
every minute, exactly.
Probably the update folder counts option is still enabled.
Go in the IMAP fine-tune options (it's in the account properties) and 
disable the option 'When online, Refresh folders every -- minutes.

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How Do I Keep IMAP From Connecting?

2004-12-04 Thread Keith Russell
Hi, everyone.
I hope someone can help me, because this is driving me crazy.
I just changed my email provider. I have an IMAP account with my 
former ISP set up in The Bat!, but I can no longer log in.

I downloaded all the messages from the server while the account 
was still active, and I want to be able to read them offline, so 
I have to leave the account there. But the login dialog keeps 
popping up (even when I'm working in another account). When it 
does, it's almost impossible to get rid of it. It takes numerous 
mouse clicks, which sometimes closes it normally and sometimes 
gives an access violation. Then a minute or two later, it's back 
again.

In server settings for the account, under Mail management, 
Automatically connect to the server, I have nothing checked, 
yet TB! keeps tried to connect. Even now, as I compose this 
message in Thunderbird, this causes the login dialog, along with 
the entire TB! three-pane window, to pop up and obscure this 
composition window. I have to click 4 or 5 times to dismiss it 
before I can continue.

The Bat! is unusable until I can resolve this issue. Since I 
haven't been using TB! regularly, I've probably forgotten about 
some obvious setting. If so, somebody please tell me what it is!

I'm using 3.0.2.8, by the way. Reading about the various IMAP 
problems with later betas, I haven't dared to upgrade yet.

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Re: How Do I Keep IMAP From Connecting?

2004-12-04 Thread Keith Russell
Clarification: I just timed it, and I'm getting the login dialog 
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Re: NFS - how do I create a filter for old messages?

2004-09-13 Thread Kevin Amazon
Hi Maurice Snellen

-
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, at 17:39:05 [GMT +0200] (which was 8:39 AM where
I live) you wrote:

 You can't do that with a filter. As you 'pondered' yourself: what
 would trigger the filter to run?

It depends on how one looks at it. There are several mail clients that
trigger a rule when the folder is opened, closed or a new message
arrives (by a move operation). IMO, that is how rules should be
triggered. TB appears to not work that way (at least it doesn't for
me).

 You can use the main folder's deleting settings to do what you are
 trying to create a filter for. Go to the folder's properties and have
 it delete the messages after 30 days. Then go to the 'Deletion' tab.
 Check the option 'Use folder-specific deletion settings'.

This does not work for IMAP folders.


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Re: How do i pause this list?

2003-07-03 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Hi Krister,

@3-Jul-2003, 19:27 +0200 (18:27 UK time) Krister Ekstrom [KE] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

KE Ok, of course i aught to know this but... obviously i don't so i
KE wonder if anyone could be so kind as to tell me how you pause
KE the list.

You have to go to this URL:

http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/options/tbudl/crisekstrom--at--bredband.net

and enter your user password. Once there you can temporarily suspend
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Re: Nightmare! How do I fix it? (HELP!!!)

2002-01-16 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Dwight A Corrin,

On Wednesday, January 16 2002 at 06:56 AM PDT, you wrote:

 I opened PowerDesk and started looking at folders in my mailbox
 structure. Most of the folders had the right files. But TBBETA's
 folder wouldn't open.
 Instead I got the 'driveCnotformated' as attached. (needless to say I
 said no).

I do not understand where that Format Drive message is coming from.
Surely TB will not generate such a thing, and if I ever received such a
message from a Mail Client, that would be the first to go. It sure
sounds like your System has become corrupted to some degree, and if it
were my System I would save my Data files to removable disk and start
fresh by wiping every vestige of every Program off my HDD. I would even
hold my data file suspect... but that is just my view.

At the very least, starting from scratch will let you know you have a
nice clean system, free of any viruses or corrupt Registry.


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Re: How do I get the ctrl + working

2001-06-03 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello A,

On Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 8:52:27 PM you wrote:

ACM Yes, I'm sure. Ctrl+ and Ctrl- work perfectly here.


principally it does work over here, but I've noticed something strange
happening:

Let's say there are two entries in my AB

Joe Example [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Marck D. Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Typing Joe and Ctrl++ gives me

Joe Example [EMAIL PROTECTED]

in the To:-Field.

Typing Mar and Ctrl++

gives me:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

No way to fetch the hole line in this way. OK ... test-phase ... from within
the AB a Ctrl+Enter on Marck's entry gives a new message fully addressed.
Cleared the To:-Field: the same as at the beginning.

To make it short: Deleting the middle name in Marck's AB-Entry solved the
problem ... at THIS point I finally noticed: When the Name contains a middle
name (or abbreviation as middle name) the whole name is embraced by quotes ...

Marck D. Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]

if the middle name is deleted it simple

Marck Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]

So typing

Marck

and than the Ctrl++ combo brings me Marck's correct name/address, typing

Joe

and Ctrl++ does not give me Joe Example's entry ... SOMETHING GOES REALLY
WRONG OVER THERE :-(

Maybe this is a step to the solution why sometimes it seems not to work for
some people over here, but even if it ain't: Stef, Max: please correct that
strange behavior ... sometimes quotes, sometimes not is not transparent to me
as a user :-(((

P.S.: Sorry Marck for using your name, but it was the one opening my eyes
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Re: How do I get the ctrl + working

2001-06-03 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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On 03 June 2001 at  18:40:52 +0200 (which was 17:40 where I live)
Peter Palmreuther wrote to TheBat! Beta discussion list and made these
points:

PP if the middle name is deleted it simple

PP Marck Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]

PP So typing

PP Marck

PP and than the Ctrl++ combo brings me Marck's correct name/address, typing

snip

PP P.S.: Sorry Marck for using your name, but it was the one opening
PP my eyes about this strange behavior :-)))

It is the '.' that does it. If you look at recent postings, I have
actually changed that for myself, mostly because of problems it causes
with gpg to have the quotes always enclosing the name.

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How do I get the ctrl + working

2001-06-02 Thread David Elliott

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Hi TBBETA,

I use to use Ctrl  + (from the number pad) to search through my address
book to complete email addresses. It was there in 1.52 beta 8 but has now
disappeared in beta 13. I have tried most of the options in the preferences
but I can not get it to work.


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Re: How do I get the ctrl + working

2001-06-02 Thread U'll know soon...

Saturday, June 02, 2001, 9:44:50 PM, David Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

DE I use to use Ctrl  + (from the number pad) to search through my address
DE book to complete email addresses. It was there in 1.52 beta 8 but has now
DE disappeared in beta 13. I have tried most of the options in the preferences
DE but I can not get it to work.

Sometimes it works for me but the most is fail... i don't know either.
Have you try Option  Preference  System tab  check the Autocomplete and
choose History+All address book ? (CMIIW)

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Re[2]: How do I get the ctrl + working

2001-06-02 Thread David Elliott

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Hello KummY

On 02 June 2001 at 22:38:15 +0700 (which was 16:38 where I live) KummY know
soon... wrote

DE I use to use Ctrl  + (from the number pad) to search through my
DE address book to complete email addresses. It was there in 1.52 beta 8
DE but has now disappeared in beta 13. I have tried most of the options
DE in the preferences but I can not get it to work.

 Sometimes it works for me but the most is fail... i don't know either.

It use to work most of the time, sometimes I would have to hit Ctrl  + a
number of times, but it worked !!

 Have you try Option  Preference  System tab  check the Autocomplete
 and choose History+All address book ? (CMIIW)

Yes and all the other options.

Can any one else confirm this ?

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Re: How do I get the ctrl + working

2001-06-02 Thread A Curtis Martin

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On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 17:03:18  +0100, David wrote these comments:


 Have you try Option  Preference  System tab  check the Autocomplete
 and choose History+All address book ? (CMIIW)

DE Yes and all the other options.

DE Can any one else confirm this ?

It works fine for me using 'Input History'.

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Re[2]: How do I get the ctrl + working

2001-06-02 Thread David Elliott

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On 02 June 2001 at 12:29:47 -0500 (which was 18:29 where I live) A Curtis
Martin wrote and made these points

 Have you try Option  Preference  System tab  check the Autocomplete
 and choose History+All address book ? (CMIIW)

DE Yes and all the other options.

DE Can any one else confirm this ?

 It works fine for me using 'Input History'.

Not for me. Are you sure it is not picking it up from your history.

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Re: How do I get the ctrl + working

2001-06-02 Thread A Curtis Martin

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following:


 It works fine for me using 'Input History'.

DE Not for me. Are you sure it is not picking it up from your history.

Yes, I'm sure. Ctrl+ and Ctrl- work perfectly here.

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Re[2]: How do I get the ctrl + working

2001-06-02 Thread David Elliott

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On 02 June 2001 at 13:52:27 -0500 (which was 19:52 where I live) A Curtis
Martin graced us with these comments

 It works fine for me using 'Input History'.

DE Not for me. Are you sure it is not picking it up from your history.

 Yes, I'm sure. Ctrl+ and Ctrl- work perfectly here.

Hand on it was in 1.53 Beta 8 (just tested it again) it has gone on 1.53
Beta 11. What are you using SecureBat! 1.53 (not a beta). Did you test this
with 1.53 beta 13 ?

side note and a small rant

The is the second feature that has been removed from The Bat! and I am
getting seriously annoyed (polite version). Please fix both of these bugs
ASAP before I permanently move to a different MUA. I am sure that some
people will have noticed that I am now using Becky!.

/side note and a small rant


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